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Topic: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game

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NorthernOhioBuckeye

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #98 on: September 06, 2022, 12:18:08 PM »
IMHO it took Day way too long to realize that he appears to have a powerful rushing attack but it appears to be there. Williams and Henderson averaged just over six yards per carry with a combined 29 for 175 and those figures aren't propped up by a few long ones as their longest carries were only 15 and 16 respectively.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #99 on: September 06, 2022, 12:22:45 PM »
This game and the Big Ten title game against Northwestern in 2020, Day has been way too slow to run the ball when it has been effective.  This seems to be the one main knock against his in-game coaching, similar to how Urban would revert to QB runs when the game got tight.  The good news is he finally starting running it later in those games, and the Buckeyes were able to win.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #100 on: September 06, 2022, 12:26:39 PM »
It all reminds me of last season when Georgia used a pick six to beat Clemson 10 to 3 in the first game.

Remember, Ohio State has a five week stretch where they play Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State, and Penn State.  That’s four very physical teams.

From what I saw last night I think their chances of being competitive in all those games is greater than it would have been last year to be honest.
Help me understand this:
First, I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm honestly asking where you are coming from here.

When I first read the bolded part, I thought it was ludicrous. Against the four eams you listed the Buckeyes recent performances:
  • Wisconsin: 8 game win streak and 11 of last 12
  • Iowa: won 5 of last 6
  • Michigan State: 6 game win streak
  • Penn State: 5 game win streak and 9 of last 10
If you are (or were) seriously worried that Ohio State wouldn't be competitive against those teams I think that is pessimistic to the point of ridiculousness. I don't *THINK* that is what you meant though. Rereading it I realized that with the "in all of those games" it could be read to mean more a competitive chance to sweep the group.


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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #101 on: September 06, 2022, 12:50:29 PM »
And you, sir.

Where you living these days? What you up to?
I’m battling some things. Still in the Cleveland area. Wife and are are 26 Months into building a new house. 3rd child on way. End of this month I have to have brain surgery to remove a meningioma and cavernous malformation on opposite sides of my head. That being said, it’s given me time to lay around and interact with the fine people here.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #102 on: September 06, 2022, 12:55:33 PM »
Oh man. 

I wish you nothing but the best outcomes, and hope you found a great neurosurgeon.

What's up with the house? Supply chain stuff?
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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #103 on: September 06, 2022, 12:58:44 PM »
I’m battling some things. Still in the Cleveland area. Wife and are are 26 Months into building a new house. 3rd child on way. End of this month I have to have brain surgery to remove a meningioma and cavernous malformation on opposite sides of my head. That being said, it’s given me time to lay around and interact with the fine people here.
This deserves it's own thread. 

Mario, I hope the surgery is successful and recovery is quick and complete. Dealing with that while a third child is on the way and building a house, wow. Good luck to you and your wife.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #104 on: September 06, 2022, 01:06:36 PM »
This deserves it's own thread.

Mario, I hope the surgery is successful and recovery is quick and complete. Dealing with that while a third child is on the way and building a house, wow. Good luck to you and your wife.
Well, we are all starting to get up in age now. Maybe so. Lord knows how many of us have had our own battles.

Probably nothing like this one though.
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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #105 on: September 06, 2022, 01:07:56 PM »
This game and the Big Ten title game against Northwestern in 2020, Day has been way too slow to run the ball when it has been effective.  This seems to be the one main knock against his in-game coaching, similar to how Urban would revert to QB runs when the game got tight.  The good news is he finally starting running it later in those games, and the Buckeyes were able to win.
Some perspective:

The Buckeyes had 35 "rushing attempts" but three were a knee at halftime and two in victory formation as the last minute ticked away. Another three were by Stroud but I don't think any of those were designed runs.

Williams and Henderson got the other 29 carries (14 and 15 respectively). More than a third of their carries and yards (10 for 64) came on the 95 yard TD drive that effectively ended the game. Almost half of their carries and yards (13 for 85) came in the fourth quarter.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #106 on: September 06, 2022, 01:17:44 PM »
Help me understand this:
First, I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm honestly asking where you are coming from here.

When I first read the bolded part, I thought it was ludicrous. Against the four eams you listed the Buckeyes recent performances:
  • Wisconsin: 8 game win streak and 11 of last 12
  • Iowa: won 5 of last 6
  • Michigan State: 6 game win streak
  • Penn State: 5 game win streak and 9 of last 10
If you are (or were) seriously worried that Ohio State wouldn't be competitive against those teams I think that is pessimistic to the point of ridiculousness. I don't *THINK* that is what you meant though. Rereading it I realized that with the "in all of those games" it could be read to mean more a competitive chance to sweep the group.


Last season- OHio State struggled with teams that had these 3 things:
1 were highly talented
2. Could run the ball physically
3. Had Offensive coordinators who knew how to take advantage of their completely predictable, vanilla defensive scheme. 
They lost 2 of those games and nearly lost 2 others ( Utah, Nebraska)

I assumed they would improve those things this season with the coaching changes to defense and the offensive line. But I didn’t know how long those things would take to be visible. 

I also thought, and said, ND will be as good as anyone on the schedule on both lines, so they would slow the game down and run clock and make OSU drive the whole field patiently.  (PFF has ND listed as one of the nations best O-lines and D-lines)

OSU showed dramatic improvement on running when the opponent knows your running, stopping the run, and making it difficult to call offensive plays, because the defense is disguised.

when you have a 5 week stretch-  of 4 teams known to be physical on your schedule- that can wear a team down. ( Wisconsin, Iowa, MSU, and Penn State)

Based on what I saw Saturday, they look substantially more prepared to wether that than they did last season. 

The winning trends you mention are great. But it won’t mean anything during the actual game.  Just like their winning streak against UM last season didn’t help them from being physically pushed around all day. 

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Stats tell a story, but there is nuance and momentum and human aspects to the real games.

Did I not call the style of game versus ND correctly?  Again- look at Georgia’s first game last season- a 10-3 win over Clemson.

Teams look different in week 5-6 than they do in Week 1. 

Now if they don’t look any different against the lessor teams in terms of offensive explosiveness- I will start to feel differently.  But based on that one game, how it played out, the quality of the opponent- I am very optimistic that they will be hard to beat by any style of team.

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #107 on: September 06, 2022, 01:21:21 PM »
Ditto SM.  Here is to you moving right through it all!
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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #108 on: September 06, 2022, 01:22:24 PM »
I’m battling some things. Still in the Cleveland area. Wife and are are 26 Months into building a new house. 3rd child on way. End of this month I have to have brain surgery to remove a meningioma and cavernous malformation on opposite sides of my head. That being said, it’s given me time to lay around and interact with the fine people here.
Good Luck


Godspeed
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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #109 on: September 06, 2022, 01:28:58 PM »
Oh man.

I wish you nothing but the best outcomes, and hope you found a great neurosurgeon.

What's up with the house? Supply chain stuff?
Thanks Badge. My wife is a surgical nurse for the Cleveland Clinic, so thankfully we had a lot of the right connections and with who I consider one of the best neurosurgeons in the country. On a positive, they don’t think they are cancerous and they believe they can get both in one surgery so that’s a huge win because the early CT scan was not as promising. 

The house has been supply chain and us doing some upgrades during the process.  It’s going to be amazing when it’s done, but it’s been a process. Current house we built in 6 months so this has been different .

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #110 on: September 06, 2022, 01:30:14 PM »
MB - although this could be its own thread, I always welcome a chance to sabotage a Buckeye thread. 😜

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Re: #5 Notre Dame (0-1) at #2 Ohio State (1-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #111 on: September 06, 2022, 01:47:55 PM »
I'll allow it.

:)
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