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Topic: #3 Michigan (7-0, 10-0) at #11 Penn State (5-2, 8-2) Post Game

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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2023, 09:28:33 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 08, 2023, 08:42:06 AM
both these defenses are excellent. the game will come down to the QBs imo. Which one protects the ball and which one makes the big plays when they are there to be had. Can't turn it over- and have to get a couple chunk/explosive plays to score or set up scores.

JJ is quite a bit more experienced, much more mobile and elusive, has a better OL in front of him, and better weapons at WR/TE. Roman Wilson and Colston Loveland have both really had breakout years- and both of those guys are super talented playing at a high level right now.

It'll be a hell of a game.
I watched the Nerds preview.  That and this has me thinking you are probably right it comes down to QB play.  It doesn't appear that either team will be able to rush with much success.  Basically that makes it a question of which QB has a better day and/or a turnover here or there.  I think that favors Michigan but it is a close enough thing that it could go either way.  If McCarthy has a game like BG or of Allar just lights it up, PSU wins.  
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2023, 09:33:51 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 09, 2023, 09:28:33 AM
I watched the Nerds preview.  That and this has me thinking you are probably right it comes down to QB play.  It doesn't appear that either team will be able to rush with much success.  Basically that makes it a question of which QB has a better day and/or a turnover here or there.  I think that favors Michigan but it is a close enough thing that it could go either way.  If McCarthy has a game like BG or of Allar just lights it up, PSU wins. 
You’re saying it’s close enough because the Medina hometown hero is not named MCCarthy 😈
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2023, 09:50:43 AM »
I've watched Allar and McCarthy quite a bit this season.  Allar is not nearly as good as McCarthy at delivering the ball when pressured.  I'm thinking it will be a low scoring game given how good both defenses are and Michigan wins with a better offense.
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2023, 11:31:08 AM »
Heck Yes Wolverines, 2006 Penn State vs. Michigan, Alan Branch leaves...
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2023, 11:41:06 AM »
If this was a night game, I'd probably pick Penn State. But it isn't.

Michigan 20
Penn State 17
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2023, 12:06:56 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 09, 2023, 09:28:33 AM
I watched the Nerds preview.  That and this has me thinking you are probably right it comes down to QB play.  It doesn't appear that either team will be able to rush with much success.  Basically that makes it a question of which QB has a better day and/or a turnover here or there.  I think that favors Michigan but it is a close enough thing that it could go either way.  If McCarthy has a game like BG or of Allar just lights it up, PSU wins. 
well shoot, if McCarthy has a game like BG or first half TCU then Michigan for sure loses. Can't throw 2 Pick 6's (TCU) or 3 INT's (BG) vs a good team and expect to win- especially on the road. Flip side of that is Allar has really only played one team with a defense like Michigan's- OSU's- and he was boooooty cheeks vs that defense. And Michigan's defense might be better than Ohio State's. Michigan's defense just has better personnel in my opinion. CB Will Johnson and FS Rod Moore are elite players at their positions- Johnson is the best CB in CFB and Moore is at worst a top 5 FS imo. Ohio State doesn't have guys quite like that in the secondary imo. And while Mikey Sainistril gets beat time to time- dude is just a play-maker at the nickel and is capable of making big-time plays. And Michigan's interior DT rotation just might be the best in CFB. Kris Jenkins, Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, and Rashaun Benny are about as good as it gets on the interior and they rotate them all game long- almost like 4 co-starters- so you have serious beef on the inside that doesn't really wear down because no one 300+ pound guy is playing 100% of the defensive snaps.
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2023, 12:12:40 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 09, 2023, 09:22:55 AM
Whatever it is, I ignore it, as irrelevant click bait.  Maybe it's amazingly accurate.  The only pretty accurate thing I know of is the Vegas line, and of course upsets happen.

And the Vegas line is set on how they THINK bettors will bet, and then shifts as needed.  It's a great scam.
yup. they tilt it to make sure they win no matter what. house always wins. they don't get to build multi-billion dollar casinos on the strip because they lose money on bets....that's for sure.
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2023, 01:58:18 PM »
Michigan 24, Penn State 21
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2023, 02:04:02 PM »
It would be neat to hear any discussion about how the initial line is set in Vegas shops.  I know the lines differ, a little, house to house.  Maybe one place comes out first and the others follow closely?

I "bet" if we here all set lines on games we'd vary by quite a bit.
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2023, 02:04:07 PM »
Michigan 24- Penn State 13. 

McCarthy’s ability to extend plays and throw accurately off platform, is the difference.  
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2023, 04:38:31 PM »
I think McCarthy is very good, but so far in 2023 Michigan has played pedestrian competition. Penn State crushed Iowa, which arguably Iowa is mostly pedestrian (but not on defense and special teams). PSU played Ohio State to a one score margin.
I am picking Penn State, but I could be on shaky ground.
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2023, 04:39:52 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on November 09, 2023, 02:04:07 PM
Michigan 24- Penn State 13.

McCarthy’s ability to extend plays and throw accurately off platform, is the difference. 
I really think Michigan will have to lose the game for Penn State to win more-so than Penn State winning.  If that makes any sense. 

JJ will have to just play god awful and stink up the joint and have a pick 6 or two and Michigan will have to make huge special teams gaffes as well. 

As long as JJ plays a clean game- doesn’t even have to light it up- just take care of the ball and make a couple plays when they are there to be had- and the special teams doesn’t have any gaffes like they did vs Purdue- Michigan *should* win the game. 

But it’s football. And a road game in a hostile environment. Weird shit happens sometimes. And sometimes it’s better to be lucky than it is good. 
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2023, 04:43:44 PM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on November 09, 2023, 04:38:31 PM
I think McCarthy is very good, but so far in 2023 Michigan has played pedestrian competition. Penn State crushed Iowa, which arguably Iowa is mostly pedestrian (but not on defense and special teams). PSU played Ohio State to a one score margin.
I am picking Penn State, but I could be on shaky ground.
Iowa literally cannot move the ball on offense. Michigan would’ve probably whooped them just as bad if not worse. 

Penn State did but didn’t play Ohio State to a one score margin. If that makes any sense. They were down 2 TD’s until they scored a cheap meaningless garbage time touchdown with 20 seconds left in the game.

Penn State absolutely could win, it’s football. They’ve got a great defense and it’s at home- those two factors alone should keep them in it and keep it a close ball game. But on paper- Michigan is just a more veteran, deeper, talented complete team and probably should win. Should win doesn’t always equal win. That’s why they play the games.
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 6-0) at #11 Penn State (8-1, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2023, 05:13:24 PM »
this surprised me, didn't think Josh Wallace was playing that well...guess he has been


https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1722646981468737802?s=20
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