2025 MSU Season Thread

[medinabuckeye1]

So I guess NCAA got their pound of flesh for Michigan's cheating

Tarkinian was right.

The NCAA is a complete joke. This and tatgate pale in comparison to wholesale cheating by Auburn (Cam Newton) and Michigan (Connor Stallions) and yet tOSU and MSU had to vacate wins while Auburn and Michigan didn't. 

[SuperMario]

Summation: other programs cheated far worse than my program. Look at their program not mine. They cheated so bad their wins were allowed to stand and mine vacated, proving how right I am and how bad the system is.

Seems like the real cheaters who get their wins vacated scream the loudest about other programs.  

[betarhoalphadelta]

Fellas, this isn't the UM/OSU hate thread...  

[ELA]

Summation: other programs cheated far worse than my program. Look at their program not mine. They cheated so bad their wins were allowed to stand and mine vacated, proving how right I am and how bad the system is.

Seems like the real cheaters who get their wins vacated scream the loudest about other programs. 

No

Summation: Multiple programs cheated to win games.  Certain cheaters have the wins they cheated to gain stripped, and other cheaters did not.  Usually tied to how much money you make the conference.  Tark called it out 30 years ago, and nothing has changed

[SFBadger96]

Can we talk about a few pairs of sneakers in Madison?

Sheesh.

Michigan got away with a slap on the wrist. Maybe MSU absolutely deserved the stripping of their wins, but I don't know how anyone can look at the sanction against Michigan and think anything other than "special treatment." The NCAA's treatment of marquis programs certainly raises eyebrows.

[Mdot21]

Pretty sure NCAA drops the hammer harder when it comes to playing ineligible players. It’s why OSU football got in so much trouble for Tatgate, Michigan basketball for Ed Martin scandal, and SMU football the death penalty.

Admittedly I have not read about the MSU thing at all, but playing ineligible players is always going to bring down the most severe consequences from NCAA. That has mostly gone away because of NIL, now the players are allowed to be paid over the table and out in the open- so I have no clue how you get popped playing ineligible players unless it was some academic fraud where they are changing players grades or something. 

[MrNubbz]

Fellas, this isn't the UM/OSU hate thread... 

[MrNubbz]

Can we talk about a few pairs of sneakers in Madison?

Sheesh.

Michigan got away with a slap on the wrist. Maybe MSU absolutely deserved the stripping of their wins, but I don't know how anyone can look at the sanction against Michigan and think anything other than "special treatment." The NCAA's treatment of marquis programs certainly raises eyebrows.

Daddy deep pockets Donors,the limp biscuits that are the NCAA fined them as they needed the coin. 4 fired coaches and one probably going up the river using his same hacking abilities on female students accounts - NCAA be like 

           

[SuperMario]

This is when I quietly exit left 🫣

[medinabuckeye1]

Summation: other programs cheated far worse than my program. Look at their program not mine. They cheated so bad their wins were allowed to stand and mine vacated, proving how right I am and how bad the system is.

Seems like the real cheaters who get their wins vacated scream the loudest about other programs. 

LoL, BS.

This isn't a tOSU/M thing. It is an integrity issue as fans of MSU and UW just explained. 

[SuperMario]

Michigan got away with a slap on the wrist. Maybe MSU absolutely deserved the stripping of their wins, but I don't know how anyone can look at the sanction against Michigan and think anything other than "special treatment." The NCAA's treatment of marquis programs certainly raises eyebrows.

Pot stirring aside, it’s the world we live in. I’m not supportive of it in any fashion, if we are being real in a non-inflammatory type conversation. Sadly, it happens in many ways across many segments of society. Here’s an off-topic example - Wells Fargo, they create millions of fraudulent fake accounts in consumers names. Any mid-size average bank, credit union or financial institution would have been shut down, including multiple arrests. Wells Fargo had 2 trillion in assets and were fined $3 billion. An absurd number given the circumstances and what happened.

we live in a world where power and capital dictate consequences of improper actions being exposed. By no means am I excusing it, nor condoning, but something we just have to deal with. Can still rub us entirely the wrong way, but doesn’t change its reality and our ability to change it.

[FearlessF]

Tarkinian was right.

The NCAA is a complete joke. This and tatgate pale in comparison to wholesale cheating by Auburn (Cam Newton) and Michigan (Connor Stallions) and yet tOSU and MSU had to vacate wins while Auburn and Michigan didn't.

same as the Big Ten (joke)
the conference can police it's own, but refuses to do so.
apparently, that's the reason the NCAA exists, ........... so the conference can stand back and blame the NCAA for stupid rules and enforcements

[medinabuckeye1]

same as the Big Ten (joke)
the conference can police it's own, but refuses to do so.
apparently, that's the reason the NCAA exists, ........... so the conference can stand back and blame the NCAA for stupid rules and enforcements

IMHO, conferences policing their own is never going to be a viable option because they compete with each other and the minute the SEC drops a punishment that is (and it will be) perceived as lenient on a cheater school like Auburn, the B1G will be under immense pressure to be similarly lenient with their own cheater school (Michigan).  Conferences policing their own will inevitably become a race to be the most lenient.  It isn't a viable option.  

This goes well beyond flagrant cheating such as Stallions at Michigan or the Cam Newton situation at Auburn and also encompasses the more garden variety, run of the mill lawbreaking.  My view is that in the portal/NIL era individual programs and conferences simply cannot police themselves because the pressure from those providing the money is too much for them to resist.  Ie, if Julian Sayin goes out and gets a DUI or if Gunner Stockton get busted doing 125 MPH in a School Zone or if Arch Manning gets busted for a bar fight it isn't realistic to expect Ryan Day, Kirby Smart, or Steve Sarkisian to adequately discipline them because they simply cannot.  The boosters who paid BIG money to get those guys to play for tOSU/UGA/UT simply will not stand for the HC benching them.  

The only practical way forward, IMHO, is to establish NCAA-wide discipline that is SWIFT and SURE.  The NCAA's glacial pace simply will not work for these types of issues because, in the hypotheticals above, Sayin, Stockton, and Manning would graduate (and probably retire from the NFL) before the NCAA got around to imposing any penalty.  It NEEDS to be a small committee of former coaches, AD's, and University Presidents who meet weekly in-season and impose discipline for issues such as those.  As for the bigger issues (Auburn/Newton, Michigan/Stallions) the NCAA's worthlessness is on full display and simply has to be rectified for the good of the sport.  Allowing Auburn to play for (and win) a NC when literally everyone knew that Cam Newton had been paid to play there (back when that was impermissible) and then allowing Michigan to play for (and win) a NC when literally everyone knew that they operated a massive in person scouting regime that was not permitted just destroys the integrity of the game.  

[MaximumSam]

One of the wins they are vacating was the CMU game where Connor Stallions was on the sidelines for CMU