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Topic: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #224 on: November 26, 2025, 03:28:55 PM »
If you are a big man, why would you NOT go to Michigan at this point?

Granted, if you are a huge man, probably still Purdue
At this point, you might not because they barely have enough minutes to go around for the ones they have.

I assume they’re not closing games with three guys who are 6-foot-9 or taller, two of which can’t shoot. But maybe they are.

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« Reply #225 on: November 26, 2025, 03:49:19 PM »
and they've got to be close to running out of money
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« Reply #226 on: November 26, 2025, 04:32:29 PM »
At this point, you might not because they barely have enough minutes to go around for the ones they have.

I assume they’re not closing games with three guys who are 6-foot-9 or taller, two of which can’t shoot. But maybe they are.
Yeah, that makes things difficult. Purdue has had years where they've wanted to put two bigs on the floor at the same time and it's not easy to do. You need a big who can play in the paint and defend in the paint. And then you need a big with the offensive skill set to play outside the paint, but ALSO the capability to defend the other team's 4. 

I can think of a couple years where they've tried it but it didn't pan out:

  • Purdue had Isaac Haas, Caleb Swanigan, and Vince Edwards on the roster at the same time. They wanted to play Haas at center, Swanigan at PF, and Vince at the wing. But Swanigan wasn't enough of an offensive threat at the 4 to make it work and couldn't properly defend the 4. Swanigan was an undersized 5 and nothing would change that. Edwards could offensively hold things down at the wing but wasn't quick enough to defend the other team's 3. He's a natural 4, not a 3. 
  • I recall one year with Trevion Williams and Matt Haarms. Haarms was basically a 7'3" power forward, whereas Williams was a 6'9" center. Ultimately neither player was 100% suited to their role, and it held the team back. 

As I mentioned upthread, the problem for Purdue last year is that we basically had zero bigs. Jacobsen broke his leg at the beginning of the season, and the bigs we had behind him just weren't very good. So we were forced into playing TKR at the 5 where he's serviceable, but he's a natural 4. That limited the ceiling of the team. 

This year, Purdue has a 1-2 punch at the 5 with Cluff and Jacobsen. They'll never be on the floor at the same time, but they're both actually pretty good. We're seeing 40-minute stat lines combining the two that rival Edey-level production. And the fact that we have both of them allows TKR to play the 4, his natural position. He never has to roll up to the 5. So even though Purdue is not going to completely use their height to dominate, they have the right pieces height-wise to actually have a very good TEAM. 


There's a saying in basketball that who you are is who you can guard. If you can play the 4 on the offensive end but you can't guard the 4, you're not a 4. 

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #227 on: November 26, 2025, 05:44:08 PM »
and they've got to be close to running out of money
Michigan always has more money 

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #228 on: November 26, 2025, 10:44:05 PM »
Yeah, that makes things difficult. Purdue has had years where they've wanted to put two bigs on the floor at the same time and it's not easy to do. You need a big who can play in the paint and defend in the paint. And then you need a big with the offensive skill set to play outside the paint, but ALSO the capability to defend the other team's 4.

I can think of a couple years where they've tried it but it didn't pan out:

  • Purdue had Isaac Haas, Caleb Swanigan, and Vince Edwards on the roster at the same time. They wanted to play Haas at center, Swanigan at PF, and Vince at the wing. But Swanigan wasn't enough of an offensive threat at the 4 to make it work and couldn't properly defend the 4. Swanigan was an undersized 5 and nothing would change that. Edwards could offensively hold things down at the wing but wasn't quick enough to defend the other team's 3. He's a natural 4, not a 3.
  • I recall one year with Trevion Williams and Matt Haarms. Haarms was basically a 7'3" power forward, whereas Williams was a 6'9" center. Ultimately neither player was 100% suited to their role, and it held the team back.

As I mentioned upthread, the problem for Purdue last year is that we basically had zero bigs. Jacobsen broke his leg at the beginning of the season, and the bigs we had behind him just weren't very good. So we were forced into playing TKR at the 5 where he's serviceable, but he's a natural 4. That limited the ceiling of the team.

This year, Purdue has a 1-2 punch at the 5 with Cluff and Jacobsen. They'll never be on the floor at the same time, but they're both actually pretty good. We're seeing 40-minute stat lines combining the two that rival Edey-level production. And the fact that we have both of them allows TKR to play the 4, his natural position. He never has to roll up to the 5. So even though Purdue is not going to completely use their height to dominate, they have the right pieces height-wise to actually have a very good TEAM.


There's a saying in basketball that who you are is who you can guard. If you can play the 4 on the offensive end but you can't guard the 4, you're not a 4.

My lesson on this came from Bo Ryan and to a lesser extent Gard.

Fans on message boards, including me, were always wanting people to play up a position. Like having two 6-foot-11 centers, or seeing if the 6-foot-7 power forward could be a big wing, or 6-foot-7, wing could be a guard.

And then Bo would sit three guys 6-foot-10 or taller to have a 6-foot-7 fire hydrant with long arms check Greg Oden. Or a year later, they'd go three guards, none taller than 6-foot-2 and two 6-foot-7 guys to play down the stretch against really good teams.

It's nice to have big teams, but defensive mobility, especially at the 4 is real key.

(TKR is odd to me because he seems like a really nice offensive 5, but he's just not there at that spot defensively. I'm not sure he's aces there on defense at the 4, but with giants behind him, it kinda works. I still remember that JJJ/Ward/Bridges MSU team that was quite good, but didn't feel like it was better than the sum of its parts because those three never felt like a really smooth fit)
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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #229 on: November 26, 2025, 11:36:28 PM »
Apparently Michigan is the real deal. Dusty May felt like a dream hire when it happened and that reality is visible.

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« Reply #230 on: November 27, 2025, 02:37:22 PM »

Something's missing... 



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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #231 on: November 27, 2025, 05:18:14 PM »
Finished dinner, watching MSU/Carolina, Go Spartans!

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #232 on: November 27, 2025, 08:31:59 PM »
So MSU is 8-0, just picked up their 3rd win over a ranked team, and I dont think anyone would rank them in the top 2 in conference.  Big Ten should have three top 5 teams come Monday

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #233 on: November 28, 2025, 01:08:29 AM »
Badgers start their thanksgiving tourney by putting up 104 in a win over Providence.

Got TCU tomorrow today and a win would be nice.
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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #234 on: November 28, 2025, 08:21:37 AM »
I can remember win Providence played defense

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #235 on: November 28, 2025, 12:41:32 PM »
Purdue is a huge favorite and cruising but we have five other teams in action today and all five are in games with single-digit spreads that could realistically go either way:

  • #13 Illinois +4.5 vs #5 UCONN at MSG 12:30 on FOX (already underway)
  • Washington -2.5 vs Colorado in California, 430 on truT
  • Wisconsin -6.5 vs TCU in San Diego, 530 on FOX
  • Ohio State -5 at Pitt, 7 on ESPN2
  • Minnesota +5.5 vs Santa Clara in California, 930 on truT
A lot of hoops today.  


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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #236 on: November 28, 2025, 01:15:43 PM »
Certainly is a good matchup for Braden Smith to practice his no-look passing...

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #237 on: November 28, 2025, 06:22:42 PM »
Ugh.

Illinois lost to UCONN, UW and UDub are getting drilled. 

 

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