2024 Michigan Season Thread

[SuperMario]

Jimmy

Watching the Chargers....... sideline reporter asked Jimmy a few questions coming out of haltime
Jimmy almost sounded normal

Well, he's definitely not normal haha.. but the older i get, the more i realize those willing to be different and not worried about being "normal" and fitting in, tend to be the ones that have the greatest impact.

Now, please let me return to my daydream that Jimmy will win the Super Bowl in year 1 and return to put out the conflagration in Ann Arbor. 

[MrNubbz]

I’m not disagreeing with you. Moore needs lot of work. He’s made tons of mistakes. Michigan probably isn’t a learn it on the job on the fly as you go type of job.

Pehaps he can but the bumbling of time late in the game is something you learn while playing it,then coaching at the High School level and into College. It's just that M definitley had the momentum and line play in their favor. Of course perhaps another coach was suppose to keep his eye on the clock, HC's do that. But it was like cheap parishoners ignoring the collection plate being passed around during worship service. Think there was like 1:24 left when M was stopped short so they could have done it with 2 t.o.s left

[MikeDeTiger]

What do you think about the $10.5 mil in NIL that's supposedly being offered to Underwood?  Fact?  Fiction? 

A bunch of LSU outlets keep reporting it, but I don't know if they know what they're talking about or not. 

Really, if it's anywhere even close to that, if I'm Underwood I'd take the $ and tell LSU lolz, sorry not sorry.  

[FearlessF]

yo, Mike!

[SuperMario]

What do you think about the $10.5 mil in NIL that's supposedly being offered to Underwood?  Fact?  Fiction? 

A bunch of LSU outlets keep reporting it, but I don't know if they know what they're talking about or not. 

Really, if it's anywhere even close to that, if I'm Underwood I'd take the $ and tell LSU lolz, sorry not sorry. 

If I'm an LSU fan, i would actually prefer it being true and Underwood saying no and not making the decision solely on money. If I'm a Michigan guy, i don't want a kid making a decision solely on money anyways. I know that's short-sighted and there's been plenty of talent that takes the big payday because they are the best athlete and then do incredibly well, but I've always loved the high character players that put winning above just a payday.

Now.. do i think it's real? No.. Michigan seems to be archaic and stupid when it comes to paying the right people.. You still have the old brass upstairs thinking it's 1960. I'm still surprised they bended and brought in Harbaugh. I think Portnoy and a few people could drum up $5 mil for this kid... 10? not likely. 

[Mdot21]

What do you think about the $10.5 mil in NIL that's supposedly being offered to Underwood?  Fact?  Fiction? 

A bunch of LSU outlets keep reporting it, but I don't know if they know what they're talking about or not. 

Really, if it's anywhere even close to that, if I'm Underwood I'd take the $ and tell LSU lolz, sorry not sorry. 

from what I can gather, it's probably fiction. it's very likely a big number, but probably not anywhere near $10.5 million. these NIL things are hard to know- and I think On3 is probably the worst site out there and is basically a tabloid rag that just throws shit out of their dirty assholes onto the wall and hopes something sticks. Unless they've seen the proposals/contracts from the collectives or the Underwood family they have zero clue what the actual # is- and I HIGHLY doubt either party is just releasing that information to some random ass recruiting website called On3.

And yeah if you're 17-18 years old from a low-to-middle income family and someone actually offers you $10.5 million and a free education at a place like Michigan- yeah, you take it. No offense to LSU, but the people you'll meet at Michigan and the network you'll have to fall back on later in life isn't comparable and oh yeah not to mention putting $10.5 million in your bank account by the time you turn 21 isn't a bad idea either...

As far as the kid and his NFL dreams go, the reality is if he really is that dude and that talented as everyone says he is- he'll be a top 10 pick at Michigan, LSU, or just about any school. JJ McCarthy just went top 10 in an NFL draft and he might've thrown for 180 yards a game if that.

[ELA]

Its not just On3 though.  I think the thing is that its $10.5, but its back loaded.  Sonhe wont be making $2.5 next year.  He has to play 4 years to get it all, and that last year might be $4 million

[Mdot21]

Its not just On3 though.  I think the thing is that its $10.5, but its back loaded.  Sonhe wont be making $2.5 next year.  He has to play 4 years to get it all, and that last year might be $4 million

nah. literally the only place I've seen that "$10.5 million" bullshit reported is that tabloid rag On3. Every other "report" has just been x,y,z blog or site citing On3, they aren't doing their own reporting or verification of that number. And again, there is zero way for anyone to verify unless the collectives or the family are releasing that information. And neither party is releasing that information as far as I can tell. Why would they? It's a private contract between private entities. The schools have nothing to do with these NIL deals therefore they aren't subject to FOIA. The NIL collectives and the players don't have to release information on particulars of deals if they don't want to.

On3 is a complete joke. They are pushing this NIL bs and hyping it to the max because of their "proprietary On3 HS recruit NIL evaluation formula" dErP dErP. Or whatever ludicrous bullshit they are peddling over there. It's literally a tabloid rag, nothing more. They pull these NIL evaluations for HS players out of their assholes. It's complete nonsense.

[ELA]

I know a former team manager who subsequently worked for the program for 2 years, and is still pretty well connected.  He said he's not sure its $10.5, but would be comfortable saying it's over $8

[SuperMario]

 I think the thing is that its $10.5, but its back loaded.  Sonhe wont be making $2.5 next year.  He has to play 4 years to get it all, and that last year might be $4 million

interesting.. maybe that's the reason it's not as enticing... If you were this kid and truly that talented, year 4 you are confident you'll be in the NFL. So honestly, if they are back loading it and have a large part in year 4, it may come across as insulting as well.. like you don't think i'm good enough to be #1 pick in the NFL draft after year 3 then why would my confidence rest with you?

[Mdot21]

I know a former team manager who subsequently worked for the program for 2 years, and is still pretty well connected.  He said he's not sure its $10.5, but would be comfortable saying it's over $8

I'm sure it's a pretty big number. The reality is none of us actually really know. And sites like On3 trade in intrigue and sensationalism to try and get clicks. Who is telling that little pipsqueak EJ Holland at Michigan's On3 site that the number is $10.5 million? Can almost guarantee you it's not the collective working the deal or anyone involved and can say the same thing in regards to the Underwood family- who don't want attention and would rather have Michigan do it's courting in silence and on the low key.

I'm not really sure the pay for play model with NIL collectives is sustainable long term. You might be able to get a few players here or there or a couple classes (A&M), but I highly doubt it's sustainable long term. The boosters/fans donating money to these collectives will want to see return on investment via winning- and well if you ain't winning the funds will dry up imo.

The real money in the NIL game will always be made from actually earning said money on the field by becoming a true superstar collegiate player and getting national endorsement deals ala Caleb Williams. He made ridiculous sums of money by signing endorsement deals for national tv ads with massive billion dollar multi-national corporations like Wendy's, Nissan, Sony, Keurig-Dr Pepper, United Airlines, Apple/Beats, Neutrogena, AT&T. 

[Mdot21]

interesting.. maybe that's the reason it's not as enticing... If you were this kid and truly that talented, year 4 you are confident you'll be in the NFL. So honestly, if they are back loading it and have a large part in year 4, it may come across as insulting as well.. like you don't think i'm good enough to be #1 pick in the NFL draft after year 3 then why would my confidence rest with you?

LSU collectives are probably offering him a ton of money as well. So it's probably not just all about the money. I feel confident saying Michigan's collectives could out-bid LSU's if it came to that- but I'm not sure that $10.5 million number is a real number. And who knows what the terms of the deal are and the actual # is? I think it's pretty pointless to speculate. Unless we see the contract with terms- it's all just hearsay.

[SuperMario]

I'm not really sure the pay for play model with NIL collectives is sustainable long term. You might be able to get a few players here or there or a couple classes (A&M), but I highly doubt it's sustainable long term. The boosters/fans donating money to these collectives will want to see return on investment via winning- and well if you ain't winning the funds will dry up imo.

I hope this becomes closer to reality, but I'm not optimistic about it at all. Look at how desperate Michigan is to find a QB right now.. They along with many other programs will be willing to pay big money and invest in the hope of the future.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Who is telling that little pipsqueak EJ Holland at Michigan's On3 site that the number is $10.5 million? Can almost guarantee you it's not the collective working the deal or anyone involved and can say the same thing in regards to the Underwood family- who don't want attention and would rather have Michigan do it's courting in silence and on the low key.

The number might be bandied about by Underwood's agent or someone else who wants the number to be known for negotiation purposes. Even if the number isn't real and is made up by said agent. 

I.e. let's say Underwood really wants to go to LSU, but right now LSU's number is too low. Leaking a much higher number (whether real or not, the number is at least plausible) might get LSU's collective to dig deeper into the couch cushions and increase the offer. 

This is big business. It's possible someone told On3 this number purely to use On3 for their own purposes, but On3 knows that it makes its money having information worth clicking on and selling ads, so they're more than happy to be used.