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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Temp430 on January 09, 2024, 02:11:11 PM
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https://twitter.com/TonyPauline/status/1744883077610938481?s=20
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The one NFL job I thought made a ton of sense for Harbaugh was the Chargers. Apparently his wife loves California, he played for the franchise, and you get Justin Herbert.
But was reading the Athletic today, and they went so all in this year, that they have to shed $40 million in salary for next year. So it's likely the surrounding roster is way worse next year.
So based on situation/roster, I don't see an NFL team worth jumping to this year. Apparently the new Washington owner group is a 180, so maybe the appeal of turning that proud franchise around, but in terms of situation, blah
I think he's back next year
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I think he's back next year
Welp,might as well get the Off Season Drinking thread going then
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The one NFL job I thought made a ton of sense for Harbaugh was the Chargers. Apparently his wife loves California, he played for the franchise, and you get Justin Herbert.
But was reading the Athletic today, and they went so all in this year, that they have to shed $40 million in salary for next year. So it's likely the surrounding roster is way worse next year.
So based on situation/roster, I don't see an NFL team worth jumping to this year. Apparently the new Washington owner group is a 180, so maybe the appeal of turning that proud franchise around, but in terms of situation, blah
I think he's back next year
Have seen people speculate Washington could be it. Supposedly he prefers the NFC so as not to have to potentially face his brother in an AFC title game. DC is also close to Baltimore, and have seen it suggested that Jim and his parents (who live next door to him in Ann Arbor) would all move down together to DMV area and be close to John.
I think he’s gone. Why hire Don Yee and why not just sign the fat contract Michigan has already offered if you were staying?
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I thought if he left it would be for the Bears. It's a pretty good situation. A lot of draft capital. Room in the salary cap.
Personally, I just don't get the appeal for him making the jump. Is winning the Super Bowl that much better than his situation at Michigan? It probably is better for a lot of other college coaches, but his specific situation I see his job as a dream job outside of winter weather versus somewhere warmer.
I know the NBA and NFL are very different, but I keep referencing back to Beilein. Making the jump to the pros isn't always as great as it seems. Now granted, Jim also has layers in there with his brother at Baltimore so there's probably a large amount of appeal of competing against him as well.
My goggle side says he stays and should, but my gut tells me he's going to the NFL.
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I thought if he left it would be for the Bears. It's a pretty good situation. A lot of draft capital. Room in the salary cap.
Personally, I just don't get the appeal for him making the jump. Is winning the Super Bowl that much better than his situation at Michigan? It probably is better for a lot of other college coaches, but his specific situation I see his job as a dream job outside of winter weather versus somewhere warmer.
I know the NBA and NFL are very different, but I keep referencing back to Beilein. Making the jump to the pros isn't always as great as it seems. Now granted, Jim also has layers in there with his brother at Baltimore so there's probably a large amount of appeal of competing against him as well.
My goggle side says he stays and should, but my gut tells me he's going to the NFL.
I look at a lot of the college coaches and wonder why they'd subject themselves to the year-round recruiting nightmare. And it's only getting worse with the transfer portal and NIL--you have to constantly be recruiting your own roster to stay. You don't have to do that crap in the NFL.
Of course, that's balanced by college football being recruiting-based, with no salary cap or attempts at parity. Which sucks for 90%+ of the programs in the nation. But if you're a helmet team like Michigan, especially coming off winning a championship, you can stock your roster with better talent than all but about 3-4 other programs in the country. So unlike the NFL, you're going to win almost all your games just based on massive talent differential.
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But for Jim, I think it might come down to his goals--and his fears.
The fear, of course, is quite simply what the NCAA might do to him given the two active investigations. Getting the hell out of their jurisdiction might be important.
But the goal is different. He's now taken Michigan back to the mountaintop. Was that his goal, or was his goal to make it his lifetime job? Like many coaches, he might be extremely challenge-driven and a little bit crazy, so maybe he knows he won't be happy unless he chases the next thing--a Super Bowl ring.
And we all know he's certifiably crazy, and trying to predict the actions of a crazy person is always a little difficult.
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WR Darrius Clemons (6'3, 214) - a former 4* top 150 overall recruit in the 2022 class from the state of Oregon enters the transfer portal.
He was always a bit of a curious case. Big, talented, fast WR that showed flashes in spring ball games two years in a row, but could never actually get on the field in you know- the actual games.
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Jack Thaw- Michigan special teamer walk-on who has returned punts this year- has hit the portal.
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I thought if he left it would be for the Bears. It's a pretty good situation. A lot of draft capital. Room in the salary cap.
Personally, I just don't get the appeal for him making the jump. Is winning the Super Bowl that much better than his situation at Michigan? It probably is better for a lot of other college coaches, but his specific situation I see his job as a dream job outside of winter weather versus somewhere warmer.
I know the NBA and NFL are very different, but I keep referencing back to Beilein. Making the jump to the pros isn't always as great as it seems. Now granted, Jim also has layers in there with his brother at Baltimore so there's probably a large amount of appeal of competing against him as well.
My goggle side says he stays and should, but my gut tells me he's going to the NFL.
I can't imagine a worse job than being a college coach at this point. Up until a couple years ago, I think you were making enough as a Saban or Dabo, to just keep the wheel turning.
With NIL and the portal, any coach with NFL options, who chooses to stay is an idiot.
Beileins deal was that he viewed basketball like a mad scientist, and figured if he could coach pros, he wouldn't have to recruit. He missed the fact that when half your roster makes more money than you, they don't feel like grinding in practice to learn your system. He was a combination of having a heart attack, and all reports were his final locker room was toxic. No fault of his own, the kids hated each other. That happens from time to time, see 2011 MSU, but that's what made it come to a head.
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LOL
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39282077/ncaa-president-says-michigan-earned-football-national-title-fair-square (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39282077/ncaa-president-says-michigan-earned-football-national-title-fair-square)
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Did anyone one ask why Michigan backed down for their day in court?LOL it didn't say the investigation is thru or the coast is clear either,if anything the known cheating bought booger time.
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Did anyone one ask why Michigan backed down for their day in court?LOL it didn't say the investigation is thru or the coast is clear either,if anything the known cheating bought booger time.
LOL...fish on!
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Did anyone one ask why Michigan backed down for their day in court?LOL it didn't say the investigation is thru or the coast is clear either,if anything the known cheating bought booger time.
My total guess here is B1G agreed no more punishment other than 3 games so long as Michigan didn’t fight them in court.
It’s a bad look for everyone in the conference when one of the 2 biggest brands in the conference are going to war in the courts with the conference.
Family business is to be settled in private, not in a public forum.
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The one NFL job I thought made a ton of sense for Harbaugh was the Chargers. Apparently his wife loves California, he played for the franchise, and you get Justin Herbert.
But was reading the Athletic today, and they went so all in this year, that they have to shed $40 million in salary for next year. So it's likely the surrounding roster is way worse next year.
So based on situation/roster, I don't see an NFL team worth jumping to this year. Apparently the new Washington owner group is a 180, so maybe the appeal of turning that proud franchise around, but in terms of situation, blah
I think he's back next year
Commanders front runner might be former Michigan DC, Mike MacDonald.
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JR ILB Junior Colson declares for NFL draft. Probably 2nd or 3rd rd pick.
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RS FR CB Amorion Walker enters the transfer portal.
Sucks. Kid has big time talent and potential. Was hoping he’d make a leap over spring & fall ball and wind up starting opposite Will Johnson in 2024.
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Ya,perhaps he didn't like sitting and getting his reps like everyone else.Or should say everyone else use to,could be some unseen grief behind the scenes but a lot of the kids now take their ball and go
home elsewhere. Seems like no body has patience anymore,that team as whole was together for 3 seasons so growing and getting experience is a thing
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Was hoping he’d make a leap over spring & fall ball and wind up starting opposite Will Johnson in 2024.
Yuck, thought Johnson was draft eligible.
Boo
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Yuck, thought Johnson was draft eligible.
Boo
nope homie is a true sophomore. so is DT Mason Graham and NT Kenneth Grant.
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https://twitter.com/RGW_News/status/1745882182986375640?s=20
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https://twitter.com/RGW_News/status/1745882182986375640?s=20
Well, maybe he got a few more millions out of that rumor
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1745903401324413126?s=20
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Who knows what’ll happen with Jeem, they are trying to keep him at Michigan. Having said that, had he already announced he was leaving I doubt they would’ve even looked at DeBoer. My guess is they’d promote Sherrone Moore to HC almost immediately and try to keep the program mostly intact.
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Rapoport reporting Jim is meeting with the Chargers. Vegas disagrees.
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nope homie is a true sophomore. so is DT Mason Graham and NT Kenneth Grant.
That ended up being a home run recruiting class. Loveland in that mix as well. Punching way above the weight of what that class was ranked.
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Rapoport reporting Jim is meeting with the Chargers. Vegas disagrees.
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I think it’s Chargers or Michigan at this point. The Chargers have Herbert, but also have serious cap issues plaguing them for the next two years. Raiders probably go back to Pierce with the team threatening a revolt if he gets bounced.
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I think it’s Chargers or Michigan at this point. The Chargers have Herbert, but also have serious cap issues plaguing them for the next two years. Raiders probably go back to Pierce with the team threatening a revolt if he gets bounced.
Not only do the Chargers have cap issues going forward, but they have truly god awful ownership.
The Spanos family is god awful, right up there with the Fords or Haslems. You’d have to be desperate or stupid to work for any of them.
Jeem ain’t ever gonna have it as good or have as much control as he does at Michigan. I’m sure he wants the NFL, but why make that move unless it’s the perfect situation working for the right ownership and having max control? Chargers don’t fit that description.
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The Spanos family is god awful, right up there with the Fords or Haslems. You’d have to be desperate or stupid to work for any of them.
That's some serious character assasination right there - might want to retract that
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yup, over the line, Smokey!
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With the exception of Satan,Hitler,Stalin and Pelosi no one should be compared to Jimmy Haslem. Maybe Dick Cheney also
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With the exception of Satan,Hitler,Stalin and Pelosi no one should be compared to Jimmy Haslem. Maybe Dick Cheney also
Idk…Ford family has largely SUCKED and Spanos family have been pretty damn bad as well. Haslems are definitely one of the worst though. For sure.
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Browns up 7-3 in Houston
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Love the Stoud to Collins combo just not when they're playing the good guys
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Stroud missed him that time!
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Flacco hasn't missed a couple of Texans for 6
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EDGE Braiden McGregor declares for NFL draft.
Feels like he hasn’t even scratched the surface, but he’s got big time talent and could really flourish at the next level.
McGregor probably should’ve come back, but definitely can see why he’d want to go pro.
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JJ headed to the NFL
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good news
just hope he doesn't end up in Minneapolis
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RB Donovan Edwards announces he's returning for his SR year, as does EDGE Josiah Stewart. Both pretty big pieces coming back.
Obviously JJ leaving hurts them tremendously in 2024. Ideally would've liked to have JJ back for his SR year...
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Jeem interviewing with the Chargers today. my guess is we'll find out in the next 24-48 hrs if he's taking that job or coming back to Michigan.
Honestly, mission accomplished. He can go. I am flat out sick and fcking tired of this same sh*t EVERY SINGLE FKING year where he's talking to NFL teams in the off-season. Sh*t or get off the pot.
At this point I think it's best he just moves on and they promote Sherrone Moore to HC and try to throw a $3 million a year paycheck at Jesse Minter to keep him on at DC for at least a few more years.
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FS Rod Moore coming back for his SR year.
That’s a big deal for Michigan’s defense. Best safety in the B1G returning.
Having to replace JJ is gonna be tough.
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RB Donovan Edwards announces he's returning for his SR year, as does EDGE Josiah Stewart. Both pretty big pieces coming back.
Obviously JJ leaving hurts them tremendously in 2024. Ideally would've liked to have JJ back for his SR year...
Love seeing Donovan back. I bet he has a big year. JJ leaving makes me lean towards Harbaugh leaving. Although, JJ's decision had to be in before Jim's so maybe Jim's isn't definitely, but he passed along that he's likely leaving or very interested in the NFL. Personally, I thought JJ needed another year. This year he really struggled with what to do in the pocket with pressure, had a lot of plays he stared at only one option to throw when he had better options and many times lacked an understanding of what kind of touch to put on the ball. Great kid.. has a high ceiling, but he's still very young and at least a year away if not a couple.
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Who is QB1 as of right now?
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SS Makari Page returning for his SR year.
Michigan is returning a ton on defense. Should have another excellent defense in ‘24.
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Who is QB1 as of right now?
total guess is Alex Orji. Jaydn Davis will get his shot. Wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to hit the portal either.
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I think it will be Davis vs. a solid portal kid. I think they like Davis enough to not bring in an elite kid who is promised the job. But I think they want a kid good enough to push bimt
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Who is QB1 as of right now?
I think it will be a competition between Orji, Denegal, Warren, Tuttle, Davis, and anyone from the portal. I doubt a true freshman Davis wins the competition but anything is possible. No one has ever been promised the job by this coaching staff. If Orji can improve his passing game, I think it might be him. If they get someone of Maryland's Tagovailoa caliber from the portal....
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Tuttle was a grad transfer, no?
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Yes, from Indiana. Still has a year of eligibility left I believe.
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Just looked it up.
Class of 2018.
Last year was his 6th. Can you even get a 7th?
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Tuttle is out of eligibility then. Never heard of a 7th year even with Covid.
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Who is QB1 as of right now?
Flip a coin.. or 4. I don't think the portal is a relevant conversation until the head coaching position is confirmed.
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Tuttle was never going to start in a million years even if he had eligibility, which he does not.
Orji is a freak athlete with a live arm. We’ll see if he has any accuracy & touch and can read a defense at all. If he can show any of that he’s your starter imo.
Michigan could be similar to Bama this year if Orji can show growth as a passer. Michigan is returning quite a bit on defense and will have some nice pieces at RB but will have to rebuild the OL.
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Just looked it up.
Class of 2018.
Last year was his 6th. Can you even get a 7th?
He can join Bluto and the boys at Delta-Delta-Delta
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Love seeing Donovan back. I bet he has a big year. JJ leaving makes me lean towards Harbaugh leaving. Although, JJ's decision had to be in before Jim's so maybe Jim's isn't definitely, but he passed along that he's likely leaving or very interested in the NFL. Personally, I thought JJ needed another year. This year he really struggled with what to do in the pocket with pressure, had a lot of plays he stared at only one option to throw when he had better options and many times lacked an understanding of what kind of touch to put on the ball. Great kid.. has a high ceiling, but he's still very young and at least a year away if not a couple.
I definitely think that JJ needs another year to improve across the board, but it doesn't matter if he's a 1st rd pick. Even the last pick in the 1st rd is going to get a $12 mil/4-year deal with around $6 mil up front for signing the deal. No way he'd make more money with NIL and he'd only risk himself to injury.
Definitely think Jeem is gone. And when he is I also think that Moore will be named the HC within like 24 hrs. Key to the program having a big year in '24 will be keeping Jesse Minter at DC somehow some way and finding a serviceable QB. Alex Orji could be that guy. They won't need him to do much as a passer- just convert crucial throws that are there when needed a few times a game, use his legs to make plays, and not turn it over. Have to also rebuild the OL, but Sherone Moore has proven he can do that- he's proven himself to be maybe the best OL coach in the game.
Defense should be really good again. Kris Jenkins is gone at DT, but Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, and Rayshaun Benny are all back. Braiden McGregor and Jaylen Harrell are gone at EDGE, but Josiah Stewart and Derrick Moore are back. Mike Barrett and Junior Colson are gone at ILB, but Ernest Hausmann is back and they were able to get the transfer Jaishawn Barham from Maryland. In the secondary they lose nickel Mike Sainistril and CB2 Josh Wallace, but they return Will Johnson at CB1 and both their starting safeties Rod Moore and Makari Paige and their #3 S Keon Sabb - who had a breakout RS Frosh year this year.
Losing some depth and experience for sure on the defense- not sure how they'll replace Mikey Sainistril- yes he got put in the blender from time to time in man- but he was a ferocious open field tackler, good blitzer, and he had serious ball skills and made awesome plays on the ball for PBU's and INT's. Mikey S probably the biggest loss on that defense, Kris Jenkins the second biggest loss, and Junior Colson third. Going to see what else they do in the portal and what true frosh/rs frosh/rs soph's breakout in spring/fall camp. Still think the guts of an excellent D are there- especially if they keep the DC running the show in place.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/report-jim-harbaugh-seeks-unusual-protections-in-michigan-contract-extension-talks/ar-AA1n4p1L
Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports reports that Harbaugh seeks an unusual protection in his next Wolverine contract regarding the possibility of future NCAA punishment. Specifically, Wetzel reports that Harbaugh wants "language that would grant him immunity from termination from any finding or sanction that could arise from multiple current NCAA investigations."
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After the CFB Championship Game "Off the field issues, we're innocent," Harbaugh said postgame. "We stood strong and tall because we knew we were innocent. I'd just like to point that out."
I'm no lawyer,gonna have to ask Marq/ELA/Sam but how are you gonna ask for immunity if you're innocent :017: . Nothing screams "we're innocent" like specifically asking for immunity clauses in your contract.
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He stood strong and tall - fired assistant coaches and swallowed a suspension
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Harbaugh is looking for the real cheaters like O.J. is looking for the real killers.
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There was a ton of noise that Tucker was extremely horny, so MSU put that very broad morality clause in his contract. Harbaugh knows he cheated, and he isn't about to get fired for what he knows he did. I'll give him credit, he's more savvy to his sins than Mel was, which is why only one of them is going to get paid
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Better than the Matt Weiss OnlyFans
https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1747421389831692524?t=TsjapClFjBp2G_g_kohvFQ&s=19
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coming soon
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Yahoo and ESPN really got this story right all season. We should continue to believe everything they put out there.
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There was a ton of noise that Tucker was extremely horny, so MSU put that very broad morality clause in his contract. Harbaugh knows he cheated, and he isn't about to get fired for what he knows he did. I'll give him credit, he's more savvy to his sins than Mel was, which is why only one of them is going to get paid
well booger never admitted to crank yanking on the company phone like Tugger did when interviewed by the USA Today
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Jim doesn't want Warde determining his future. That much is clear. He would rather leave it to arbitration or the President. I still think it's Chargers or Michigan at this point.
For Michigan the challenge is this is a semi-important window for potential transfers. They missed on a number of kids for the last 4 weeks, since focus was on a run to the National Championship. They have a few holes to plug offensively at QB, WR, and OL. Guys from Washington, Arizona, and Bama are on the market. But, they will be missing out with the uncertainty.
Bama being impacted by the portal might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. They are feeling the pain others have felt. it is open season on their players right now, whether kids have entered the portal or not, and they influence they wield, may bring some real fundamental changes down the road. If that alone was taken care of I think NIL becomes a little more manageable. It's the 24/7 365 free agent environment we are in that is driving much of the bidding wars.
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Jeem has also interviewed with the Falcons.
Two teams, no offers that we know of- and no insiders saying a deal is eminent.
I 100% thought he’d have already had a deal done with the chargers. Guess not.
Maybe NFL teams interviewed him and said man- this guy is too fking weird- pass.
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The conversation will get gripping if jeem does come back as warde won't be handing him carte blanche as far as the contract wording goes.This prolly unfolds amusingly to say the least - could be some squirming going on.
Oh please,oh please,OH PUH-LEEEZE make it happen
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Tuttle is out of eligibility then. Never heard of a 7th year even with Covid.
Hmm.
Michigan Quarterback Is Seeking Seventh Year of Eligibility From NCAA (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/michigan-quarterback-is-seeking-seventh-year-of-eligibility-from-ncaa/ar-AA1nbRiV?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=34531e2e43b84efc9315264cc78c745e&ei=14)
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Jeem has also interviewed with the Falcons.
Two teams, no offers that we know of- and no insiders saying a deal is eminent.
I 100% thought he’d have already had a deal done with the chargers. Guess not.
Maybe NFL teams interviewed him and said man- this guy is too fking weird- pass.
The longer there's no announcement, the more I'm leaning towards Harbaugh staying at Michigan. The reasoning is because the longer it takes, the more negative impact on the UM program if he leaves and I truly believe he cares so much about the program that he wouldn't want any part of his impact being negative if he leaves a dumpster fire behind. Even though he rubbed some people at M the wrong way over the years, I think his passion and desire has always been to leave his positive mark and I really doubt he leaves a disaster behind knowingly if pieces aren't well in place.
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Of course that's why he's insisting on one of these
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I guess you didn’t recognize the get out of jail free card he issued himself.
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no the contract he wants signed
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Just screams innocence
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But again.. you're relying on Yahoo sports for inside information.
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CBS and Chris Balas from The Wolverine reported it Monday also and nothing from Manual confirming/denying. He saw what happened to Tucker,just saying
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nothing from Manual confirming/denying. He saw what happened to Tucker,just saying
I'm not sure he has any idea what is going on at any time in his program. His biggest strength is letting his coaches do whatever they want
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Hmm.
Michigan Quarterback Is Seeking Seventh Year of Eligibility From NCAA (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/michigan-quarterback-is-seeking-seventh-year-of-eligibility-from-ncaa/ar-AA1nbRiV?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=34531e2e43b84efc9315264cc78c745e&ei=14)
Miami tight end Cam McCormick is doing the unprecedented, announcing his return for a ninth season of college football in 2024. McCormick had the option to declare for the 2024 NFL Draft, but instead decided to extend his college career with the Hurricanes. He spent the first seven years of his career at Oregon. McCormick was a three-star prospect coming out of the 2016 recruiting class. He suffered season-ending injuries in four consecutive years (2018-2021) while with the Ducks and was granted additional eligibility by the NCAA.
In 42 career games played, McCormick has 26 catches for 231 yards and four touchdowns. He made 21 total starts, including 11 this past season at Miami, hauling in eight receptions for 62 yards.
McCormick redshirted during his first year of college in 2016. He played in all 13 games and made two starts the following season at Oregon in 2017, hauling in six receptions for 89 yards and a touchdown. In 2018, McCormick suffered a season-ending injury in the opener against Bowling Green and did not return to the field until 2021 due to a series of significant injuries that kept him sidelined.
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I'm not sure he has any idea what is going on at any time in his program. His biggest strength is letting his coaches do whatever they want
Guess they took liberties with it
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https://youtu.be/7YLuZ1IbXzs?t=415
Really?Stalllions selling cameo videos of himself giving birthday shout outs to M Fans for $70.00 :dance:
Wonder if the benevolent cherub is gonna sign autographs at the IHOP during early bird specials.Ya know while breaking from repairing vacuums
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word on the street is Jesse Minter is likely headed to the NFL to be a DC, even if Jeem returns. Minter is in high demand right now and his background is NFL.
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NFL insider Albert Breer thinks Chargers will offer Jeem the job, but that they will not give him the offer he wants in terms of control. Jeem may just be back in Ann Arbor....maybe.
https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1748121841724428383?s=20
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I wouldn't give that weirdo too much control either
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Miss Patrick's show straight shooter for the most part
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sounds like Raiders are hiring Anotnio Pierce and that Bill Belichik is the favorite for the Falcons job. Aside from the Chargers, those two seemed to be the teams most linked to Jeem.
We'll see if the Chargers offer Jeem a fat contract and total control. Seems like that's what he's looking for out of them.
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what aboot Da Bears?
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what aboot Da Bears?
they are shockingly keeping their head coach...
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Jeem now reportedly having a second interview with the Falcons. Idk why you take that job, you're not getting one of the top 3 QBs this draft at pick 8 unless you trade an arm and a leg to move up, oh yeah and the roster sucks. Chargers seem like a way better gig to me. You've got Herbert.
Anyways, Jeem can seriously go fk himself. Just fking resign, let the school promote Sherrone Moore and take a god damn NFL job and be done with it already so we can move on here. This constant state of limbo is KILLING them in recruiting '25 and '26 and potential portal additions for this season.
He needs to fking go. Same song, same NFL dance every god damn motherfking off-season. It's never ending. Basically been every damn year he's been there except for 2 or 3.
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agreed
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He needs to fking go. Same song, same NFL dance every god damn motherfking off-season. It's never ending. Basically been every damn year he's been there except for 2 or 3.
I agree,can't wait for April and Jim to pass up JJ in the 2nd of the draft :043:
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Anyways, Jeem can seriously go fk himself. Just fking resign, let the school promote Sherrone Moore and take a god damn NFL job and be done with it already so we can move on here. This constant state of limbo is KILLING them in recruiting '25 and '26 and potential portal additions for this season.
He needs to fking go. Same song, same NFL dance every god damn motherfking off-season. It's never ending. Basically been every damn year he's been there except for 2 or 3.
You can’t be serious? He turned around the entire program and brought a national championship. You should want a guy that doesn’t give a damn about the board of regents and the coach is more in control of the program than them because he’s relevant.
do you seriously need to go back to the days of Rich Rod and Hoke where the people behind the scenes were calling the shots? I don’t.
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You can’t be serious? He turned around the entire program and brought a national championship. You should want a guy that doesn’t give a damn about the board of regents and the coach is more in control of the program than them because he’s relevant.
do you seriously need to go back to the days of Rich Rod and Hoke where the people behind the scenes were calling the shots? I don’t.
Jeem calls all his own shots. Has since day one. It's a complete and utter fantasy to suggest otherwise. He runs that program from A to Z. Sure he's probably not thrilled with being suspended twice in one season, but to me the school did just about everything it could to stand behind him. The first suspension they tried to placate the NCAA. The second suspension, well the B1G ordered him suspended, and it would've just been stupid for the school to continue on with the legal fight in the courts. Just take the L and move on.
So he's a little butthurt about getting his pay cut in half. BFD. Deal with it Jeem. Guess what, you DESERVED to take a pay cut. You were being paid like the top coach in CFB, but you most definitely WERE NOT performing like that- and you kept getting your dick kicked in by Ohio State. He's flipped the script, and now that Saban is retired, Jeem has EARNED the right to be paid top dollar in CFB. I'm all for paying coaches that perform, and taking pay away from them when they don't perform.
Jeem wants to be in the NFL. That much is clear. What is ALSO clear however is that the NFL doesn't want his weirdo ass nearly as much as he wants them- and looks like there hasn't been a team in the NFL willing- yet- to give Jeem the kind of control he wants. And don't be fooled- Jeem is a CONTROL freak who wants final say on everything. Why do you think he was fired in the NFL by the 49ers despite being an AMAZING coach for them? Yeah, because he's a weird strange difficult to deal with asshole who was clashing with his GM and Owner over control. Jeem is going to have to find the right ownership that will basically let him be the defacto GM and hire a sock puppet to be the new GM and give him complete control and also pay him probably $12-15 million a year. Very few NFL teams sign up for that. Most of these owners can't put their egos aside and get out of their own way- see Jones, Jerry.
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Mdot is right,pschotic but right (Animal House plug). Too much distraction year in/out if a recruit doesn't think he'll be around why bother? So far the portal and his bros advice and coordinators have been gold.Can he maintain that,IMO he has cards he's not showing but seems to want to waffle off to the League. The level of bizarre surrounding the program can backfire and this recent foray into SUNDAY interest again is just leaving coaches,players even some admns hanging.Sh!t or get off the pot as Mdot said before damn right.Hell just retire he has enough to keep himself in Khakis for many lifetimes
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Mdot is right,pschotic but right (Animal House plug). Too much distraction year in/out if a recruit doesn't think he'll be around why bother? So far the portal and his bros advice and coordinators have been gold.Can he maintain that,IMO he has cards he's not showing but seems to want to waffle off to the League. The level of bizarre surrounding the program can backfire and this recent foray into SUNDAY interest again is just leaving coaches,players even some admns hanging.Sh!t or get off the pot as Mdot said before damn right.Hell just retire he has enough to keep himself in Khakis for many lifetimes
dude is basically a spouse with one foot out the door threatening to leave and file for a divorce every god damn fking year. at some point when is the school going to have some dignity and call his bluff and just say, OK, thanks for everything, it was great while it lasted, BYE FELICIA.
his heart isn't at Michigan. he wants the NFL, he wants to win a Super Bowl. And he's just using Michigan as a temporary gig until he can find a better option in the NFL. which is fine, but let's call a spade a spade. it's not like oh he's a the new it coach and now the NFL is calling and looking at him. he's a known commodity and HE is the one hiring an NFL agent (Don Yee) and flirting with NFL teams. every. single. fking. offseason. shit ain't cool. and it's SO fking tiring.
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Michigan is dead in the portal and dead in 2025 recruiting until this is done.
The AD needs to move on, IMO, but it sounds like he has no sack.
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Michigan is dead in the portal and dead in 2025 recruiting until this is done.
The AD needs to move on, IMO, but it sounds like he has no sack.
yup. they just lost the commitment of 4* CB and top 100 player in nation for 2025 from Florida. can't get jack in the portal. they need Jeem to either sign massive deal right now and reaffirm his commitment to Michigan or they need to move on and promote Moore to HC and throw bags at the staff to keep as much of it intact as possible.
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how many of the current staff might follow Jeem to the NFL?
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how many of the current staff might follow Jeem to the NFL?
Jay?
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Jay?
Jay definitely will follow him. DC Jesse Minter is probably a good bet as well- Minter is from the NFL and has NFL aspirations. QB coach Kirk Campbell is tight with Jeem and could follow him. The S&C guy Ben Herbert could as well- but that's a toss up- he's more college guy than pro and he's being paid handsomely by Michigan. Pretty much everyone else on staff however is likely to stay at Michigan so long as Moore gets the HC job and they all get a pay raise imo.
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yup. they just lost the commitment of 4* CB and top 100 player in nation for 2025 from Florida. can't get jack in the portal. they need Jeem to either sign massive deal right now and reaffirm his commitment to Michigan or they need to move on and promote Moore to HC and throw bags at the staff to keep as much of it intact as possible.
Portal worx if they can get NIL scratch which isn't a problem in AA I would think
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Jay definitely will follow him. DC Jesse Minter is probably a good bet as well- Minter is from the NFL and has NFL aspirations. QB coach Kirk Campbell is tight with Jeem and could follow him. The S&C guy Ben Herbert could as well- but that's a toss up- he's more college guy than pro and he's being paid handsomely by Michigan. Pretty much everyone else on staff however is likely to stay at Michigan so long as Moore gets the HC job and they all get a pay raise imo.
Look at what happened to the Wisconsin OL since he followed Bert to Arky, and look at what's happened to the Michigan OL since Herbert got there.
That's all you need to know about how great he is.
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Look at what happened to the Wisconsin OL since he followed Bert to Arky, and look at what's happened to the Michigan OL since Herbert got there.
That's all you need to know about how great he is.
he's one of the best for sure, and Michigan would try to keep him. but if he wants to follow Jeem to the pros, not much you can do. he seems more college than NFL to me though, but wtf do I know?
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way too early two deep for Michigan in 2024...obviously things will change due to portal...but as of right now...this is best guess work.
QB - Alex Orji v. Jadyn Davis v. Jayden Denegal (loser will backup, unless of course they get someone from the portal)
RB - Donovan Edwards (Kalel Mullings & Benjamin Hall)
WR - Tyler Morris (I'Marion Stewart or Channing Goodwin)
WR - Fredrick Moore (Peyton O'Leary)
WR - Semaj Morgan (Karmello English)
TE - Colston Loveland (Zack Marshall or Deakon Tonielli or Brady Prieskorn or Hogan Hansen)
LT - Myles Hinton (Jeff Persi or Andrew Sprague)
LG - Giovanni El-Hadid (Nathan Efobi)
C- Greg Crippen v. Raheem Anderson (loser will backup or possibly transfer)
RG - Josh Priebe (Amir Herring)
RT - Andrew Gentry (Jeff Persi or Tristan Bounds)
EDGE - Derrick Moore (Enow Etta or Cameron Brandt)
EDGE - Josaiah Stewart (TJ Guy or Kechaun Bennett)
DT - Mason Graham (Rayshaun Benny)
NT - Kenneth Grant (Trey Pierce or Deyvid Palepale or Ike Iwunnah)
ILB - Ernest Hausmann (Jimmy Rolder)
ILB - Jaishawn Barham (Jaydon Hood or Semaj Bridgeman)
CB - Will Johnson (Jo'Ziah Edmond)
*CB - DJ Waller Jr v. Jyaire Hill (loser is the backup)*
*NB - Zeke Berry v. Ja'Den McBurrows (loser is the backup)*
FS - Rod Moore (Quentin Johnson)
SS - Makari Paige (Keon Sabb)
Should be really good at RB & TE. Have to rebuild the OL. WR's are meh. QB is way up in the air. Need to hit the portal for a QB with some experience and some WR's. OL should be fine, but if they can get solid transfers to push for starting spots and provide more depth- all the better.
Defense should be really good again. Hasumann was basically a co-starter at ILB, he's back. The transfer Barham from Maryland is a plug and play ILB starter. Kris Jenkins is gone at DT but they're returning 3 of their top 4 there in Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, and Rayshaun Benny at DT. Braiden McGregor and Jaylen Harrell are gone at EDGE, but they are returning EDGE co-starters Derrick Moore and Joasiah Stewart. One of Zeke Berry or Ja'Den McBurrows should make a solid nickel after an all-out battle in camp to replace Mikey Sainistril. Have to find a CB2. Amorion Walker could've been that guy with a big off-season, but he just transferred to Ole Miss. DJ Waller Jr and Jyaire Hill both got a lot of run as true frosh this year, it's likely one of them will replace Josh Wallace at CB2. Unless of course they get a transfer or the true frosh CB Jo’Ziah Edmond breaks out.
Thoughts: Should still be a really good team even if they lose Jeem to NFL, provided they promote Sherrone Moore to HC and try to keep the staff in place and players from fleeing to the portal. JJ leaving really sucks. Feel like they'd have had a legit shot to run it back with a slightly more polished JJ as a true SR.
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1749473010342306304?s=20
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1749473010342306304?s=20
I believe Jeem already had a 2nd interview with the Falcons. Seems a little bit odd that he's interviewing twice with both teams now and zero offers or deals have been announced. Usually these head coaching hires move fast....see Raiders with Antonio Pierce and Patriots with Jerod Mayo.
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He blew it in the 2nd interview with the Vikings last time. It's when the CTE really comes out.
This honestly continues to feel vindictive. Michigan can't add talent without a coach, they might lose some, and then if he eventually decides to jump, there is going to be a period of time where the only guys in the portal are Michigan players.
He's double birding the athletic department, and seemingly setting up whoever follows him for failure, to make it look like it was all him all along
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He blew it in the 2nd interview with the Vikings last time. It's when the CTE really comes out.
This honestly continues to feel vindictive. Michigan can't add talent without a coach, they might lose some, and then if he eventually decides to jump, there is going to be a period of time where the only guys in the portal are Michigan players.
He's double birding the athletic department, and seemingly setting up whoever follows him for failure, to make it look like it was all him all along
yup. he needs to either sign his extension with Michigan or just resign and let them promote Sherrone Moore like immediately.
Their recruiting in '25 should be WHITE hot coming off a Natty, yet it's stagnant and they've been gaining no traction in '25- instead they are losing commits in '25- including a top 100 player in the nation from Florida.
Sherrone Moore needs to be made HC and they just need to cut him loose on the '25 class and portal kids. I have a feeling that Moore would be an amazing recruiter as a HC. Much better than Jeem's weirdo ass ever was.
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That's the one thing that makes me wonder whether it will be Moore. He might be good with double birding the athletic department, and setting up his successor to fail. But I don't think he would do that to Moore, if Moore is that successor.
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yup. he needs to either sign his extension with Michigan or just resign and let them promote Sherrone Moore like immediately.
Their recruiting in '25 should be WHITE hot coming off a Natty, yet it's stagnant and they've been gaining no traction in '25- instead they are losing commits in '25- including a top 100 player in the nation from Florida.
Sherrone Moore needs to be made HC and they just need to cut him loose on the '25 class and portal kids. I have a feeling that Moore would be an amazing recruiter as a HC. Much better than Jeem's weirdo ass ever was.
No sleepovers or a million satellite camps? No tree-climbing?
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Much better than Jeem's weirdo ass ever was.
People that aren't "mainstream," who put their focus on the areas of importance that Jim does, tend to be better humans. I'll take a weirdo that's a better human any day. Winning a title with one was just a cherry.
What's weird is how quickly you want to trash Harbaugh after what he just gave you as a fan, yet you'll give a verbal bj to a 17 year old kid who commits to Michigan that the only thing known is a youtube highlight video.
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yet you'll give a verbal bj to a 17 year old kid who commits to Michigan that the only thing known is a youtube highlight video.
:D Gold Jerry Gold - lock the thread
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I'm not sure Jim is a better than average human being
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Oh he's not,alot of them aren't
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alot of Harbaughs?
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I'm not sure Jim is a better than average human being
I can promise you every D1 head football coach is FAR worse than the average human being. You have to be a special kind of psycho
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OK
I'm not sure Jim is a better than average D1 head football coach human being
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People that aren't "mainstream," who put their focus on the areas of importance that Jim does, tend to be better humans. I'll take a weirdo that's a better human any day. Winning a title with one was just a cherry.
What's weird is how quickly you want to trash Harbaugh after what he just gave you as a fan, yet you'll give a verbal bj to a 17 year old kid who commits to Michigan that the only thing known is a youtube highlight video.
yeah, no offense but you have no idea how good of a human being Jeem is. He's a god damn football coach, not a clergyman. He's coaching football at the highest level on college for $10 million a year....not running an orphanage. Let's not make him out to be anything other than what he is, mmmmmkay? He's a football coach....who coaches a backyard children's game for ten million dollars a year.
Jeem is a heckuva football coach. One of the best in the world. There's no denying it. But he's a complete and utter weirdo and is a known asshole who has friction with everyone he works for/with. He flat out just rubs people the wrong way and he has clashed with LITERALLY every boss he's had as a football coach. Stanford AD? Check. 49ers GM & Owner? Check. Michigan AD? Check. Yeah, when you have problems with fking EVERYONE....you're the asshole.
I am not trashing Jeem. I am just calling it like it is. I would prefer he stick around at Michigan and COMMITT to the program for the long haul...because after he got that pay cut and was on the verge of getting fired- that LIT A FIRE under his ass- and he's built a monster that has won 3 straight B1G titles, went to the playoffs 3 straight years and just won a Natty. Jeem should be parlaying all that into elite recruiting and NIL fundraising and building a dynasty- but that ain't gonna happen while he's got one foot out the door EVERY MOTHERFKING YEAR.
He just needs to shit or get off the pot. It's that fking simple. The program can't be held hostage by his ass every off-season. At what point is Michigan going to get some dignity and tell him enough is enough? If your wife had one foot out the door threatening to leave you every single fking year, wouldn't you get tired of that eventually and tell her BYE HOE.
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Well i was agreeing with you Mdot until you called his wife a hoe :cheer: j/k...j/k
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I don't really understand the NFL teams running guys like Harbaugh and Belicheck through 2nd interviews. I suppose you could throw Vrabel in this category too. They are interviewing you, not vice versa. They are a know commodity at this point. You don't like what you see, don't hire them. They want the keys to palace, full control, and they want a boss that works for them, not one they have to answer to.
The Vikings went through two full days of interviews and behavioral assessment's with Harbaugh, only to change course and hire the anti-Harbaugh. Why bother with all that, if that is the direction you are going to go.
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What are the odds that he just says F it and hangs it up?
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What are the odds that he just says F it and hangs it up?
I don't see it. Too young to retire, too much ego, and nothing else to do.
He's not the type that will ever make sense in the broadcast booth or some TV analyst position, and IMHO would absolutely hate it and want to quit even faster than he'd be fired for sucking at it.
I'd bet after a month at home w/o a gig, his wife would be hounding him to get another coaching job just to get him out of the house.
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What are the odds that he just says F it and hangs it up?
He's nuts enough to do it,unless he's bad with managing money.I mean,really,really bad with money
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He's not the type that will ever make sense in the broadcast booth or some TV analyst position, and IMHO would absolutely hate it and want to quit even faster than he'd be fired for sucking at it.
Think Beth Mowins on Xanax
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What are the odds that he just says F it and hangs it up?
The Greg McElroy story tells me he’ll probably die coaching https://x.com/alwayscfb/status/1743296032128086134?s=46&t=uWOy5gTEvkZq8bFijjU5Tw (https://x.com/alwayscfb/status/1743296032128086134?s=46&t=uWOy5gTEvkZq8bFijjU5Tw)
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yup, nearly zero the goober quits coaching
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really wish he’d just make a god damn decision in the next 24 hrs. Either sign the fat extension that Michigan has offered you or take the fking Chargers job. Shit or get off the fking pot Jeem.
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One gets the idea that you find him irksome Mdot 😜
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https://sports.yahoo.com/report-michigan-football-offers-jim-181934187.html
Michigan football offers to make Jim Harbaugh highest-paid coach in college
According to On3’s Chris Balas, the University of Michigan is extending an offer to the nine-year Wolverines coach that would make him the highest-paid in all of college football. What’s more, if he accepts, he would continue to be the highest-paid coach in college football, even if others across the sport get raises.
Balas:
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As we’ve mentioned, Michigan President Santa Ono has said he’d do everything in his power to keep Harbaugh in Ann Arbor. Sources tell us that now includes offering the coach a contract that would make him the highest-paid in college football. It would include escalator clauses to keep it that way (automatic increases in the agreed-upon wages if certain conditions change while the contract is in effect) and language that would better protect Harbaugh against what has been an “aggressive” NCAA.
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One gets the idea that you find him irksome Mdot 😜
I find him irksome as hell
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Schefter says Harbaugh to the Chargers
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Breaking good news
Might not be good for Michigan or the chargers, but I like it 👌
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https://twitter.com/TheyAlreadyKnew/status/1750303533650317398?t=nXz7AcQiWs32p2vGqqmiGQ&s=19
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announce Sherrone Moore to HC asap or you’re probably going to bleed dudes to the portal like Bama.
Moore will wind up being an even better recruiting head coach than Jeem and an improved version of David Shaw- who kept Stanford at a high level for like 8 years before running out of gas.
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Not gonna bleed dudes to the portal
Dudes didn't line up to play for Jim
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Not gonna bleed dudes to the portal
Dudes didn't line up to play for Jim
The sleepover deal closing was unparalleled
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The sleepover deal closing was unparalleled
Maybe he’d close more deals if he talked dirty to abuse victims?
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announce Sherrone Moore to HC asap or you’re probably going to bleed dudes to the portal like Bama.
Moore will wind up being an even better recruiting head coach than Jeem and an improved version of David Shaw- who kept Stanford at a high level for like 8 years before running out of gas.
Are they bound by the state law that says they have to post it for 7 days?
Also- Moore makes sense. Some continuity. And some of the better potential choices are taken. And- a new coach candidate might be weary of the potential sanctions.
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Coach Gary Moeller
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It will be Moore, and his emoting like a woman.
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https://twitter.com/ShooterMcGavin_/status/1750321147940409444/photo/1
get busy winning or stay busy losing.
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Run Jimma Run
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A CTE/Autistic psycho asshole working for a bunch of notoriously cheap entitled rich pricks like the Spanos brothers? What could possibly go wrong? Jeem will win a lot, and fast, but still be fired within 5 years. 49ers situation all over again.
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https://twitter.com/ShooterMcGavin_/status/1750321147940409444/photo/1
get busy winning or stay busy losing.
Lol. Now that’s a really good one.
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A CTE/Autistic psycho asshole working for a bunch of notoriously cheap entitled rich pricks like the Spanos brothers? What could possibly go wrong? Jeem will win a lot, and fast, but still be fired within 5 years. 49ers situation all over again.
But will he win the Super Bowl first? The race is on.
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At least it's over.
M still has some good players.
Time to start picking some meat off the bone, Coach Fickell.
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So of the 4 playoff teams from 2023/4, Sarkisian is the only head coach remaining in the same position. Probably not very insightful, but interesting.
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I would've thought JH would prefer to stay out of the AFC where he may have to play his brother more. Guess the Mannings are the only people who care about stuff like that.
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Harbaugh will be the 4th straight coach to leave Michigan with a losing record against Ohio State.
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At least it's over.
M still has some good players.
Time to start picking some meat off the bone, Coach Fickell.
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Michigan has a lot of excellent players on that roster. Especially on defense. Offense is a bit of a question mark as they'll have to find a new starting QB with JJ moving on to the NFL and they'll have to rebuild the OL a little bit, but they have what is in my opinion probably the most talented offensive player in the entire B1G returning in 2024 in Donovan Edwards and arguably the best returning TE in CFB in Colston Loveland.
I don't think they lose anyone to the portal so long as Sherrone Moore is promoted to HC. IF they decide to be stupid and try and do a national search and poach like Brian Kelly or something, then those really good players might hit the portal, but they won't be transferring to Wisconsin....
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I don't get the Brian Kelly rumors. I don't mean this as a knock on the Michigan job in the slightest, but I can't figure out why he would leave LSU for Michigan. He just got here, just finished assembling likely the best staff he's ever had on paper--many of whom would not go with him elsewhere--has a criminally massive contract, building a great recruiting class, and his biggest obstacle just retired.
I'm ambivalent on whether he stays at LSU or not. I'm not convinced he's the guy LSU thinks he is, but purely from his perspective, I don't know why you'd go through the upheaval again.
If Michigan is beating the hell out of us in NIL, like Ohio State, like Ole Miss, like UGA, like Texas.....I guess I could see that.
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Are they bound by the state law that says they have to post it for 7 days?
It is possible to get this rule waived. It should be relatively easy to do if you're hiring Michigan's first black head coach.
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I don't get the Brian Kelly rumors. I don't mean this as a knock on the Michigan job in the slightest, but I can't figure out why he would leave LSU for Michigan. He just got here, just finished assembling likely the best staff he's ever had on paper--many of whom would not go with him elsewhere--has a criminally massive contract, building a great recruiting class, and his biggest obstacle just retired.
I'm ambivalent on whether he stays at LSU or not. I'm not convinced he's the guy LSU thinks he is, but purely from his perspective, I don't know why you'd go through the upheaval again.
If Michigan is beating the hell out of us in NIL, like Ohio State, like Ole Miss, like UGA, like Texas.....I guess I could see that.
The author of the rumor is smoking crack. As is the person who put forth Luke Fickell.
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I would've thought JH would prefer to stay out of the AFC where he may have to play his brother more. Guess the Mannings are the only people who care about stuff like that.
Jeem has been open about his burning desire to win a Super Bowl forever. Chargers have the biggest single piece already in place required to accomplish that goal...a young, super-talented franchise QB. Plus they'll have the 5th pick in the draft. They could trade down to like 10-15 get extra 2nd/3rd rd picks, take Brock Bowers at TE (Jeem LOVES him some TE's) and take Blake Corum with that extra 2nd or 3rd rd pick they got by trading back and that offense is cooking with grease now.
Sure Jeem could've went to Atlanta, but that is a complete gut and rebuild job. Who the the hell is playing QB for them? They have the 8th pick, and you're not getting Caleb Williams or Drake Maye with the 8th pick unless you mortgage the future and trade a bunch of picks up to the Bears or Washington. Probably not getting Jayden Daniels at 8 either. You really going to take a 25 year old Michael Penix Jr with who was in college for 6 years because he blew out both of his knees and also had a shoulder surgery at 8? His age and injury history is too much of a risk for a top 10 pick imo. You really going to take JJ McCarthy at 8? I love his talent and upside- but I wouldn't take him that high. McCarthy needs to go to the Jordan Love route, sit for a year or two and develop before he's ready for NFL football. Draft him at 8 and you're going to be forced to play him early and he's going to bust.
Chargers gig was just a much better situation to have success on the field and do so fast.
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Michigan has a lot of excellent players on that roster. Especially on defense. Offense is a bit of a question mark as they'll have to find a new starting QB with JJ moving on to the NFL and they'll have to rebuild the OL a little bit, but they have what is in my opinion probably the most talented offensive player in the entire B1G returning in 2024 in Donovan Edwards and arguably the best returning TE in CFB in Colston Loveland.
I don't think they lose anyone to the portal so long as Sherrone Moore is promoted to HC. IF they decide to be stupid and try and do a national search and poach like Brian Kelly or something, then those really good players might hit the portal, but they won't be transferring to Wisconsin....
UW finished 2nd to M in a lot of battles, and even lost a couple of commits to M when CPC got fired.
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The only legitimate question is-- how good is Brian Kelly's fake Michigander accent? That will be an important deciding factor.
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But will he win the Super Bowl first? The race is on.
A couple of good drafts and FA signings and it could happen.Hope not though
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UW finished 2nd to M in a lot of battles, and even lost a couple of commits to M when CPC got fired.
to guys who are rotational players or buried on the depth chart....
Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, Will Johnson, Donovan Edwards, Colston Loveland, Giovanni El-Hadid, Rod Moore, Keon Sabb, Makari Page, Ernest Hausmann, Derrick Moore, and Josaiah Stewart aren't going to Wisconsin if there's a massive portal exodus, and those are the cream of the crop players on that roster.
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Michigan has a lot of excellent players on that roster. Especially on defense. Offense is a bit of a question mark as they'll have to find a new starting QB with JJ moving on to the NFL and they'll have to rebuild the OL a little bit, but they have what is in my opinion probably the most talented offensive player in the entire B1G returning in 2024 in Donovan Edwards and arguably the best returning TE in CFB in Colston Loveland.
I don't think they lose anyone to the portal so long as Sherrone Moore is promoted to HC. IF they decide to be stupid and try and do a national search and poach like Brian Kelly or something, then those really good players might hit the portal, but they won't be transferring to Wisconsin....
Completely agree.
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But will he win the Super Bowl first? The race is on.
that's the $1,000,000 question.
I say he's got 5 years MAX before that thing goes south in a hurry, and I think so long as Herbert stays healthy and continues to develop, they'll have a pretty good shot at getting one Super Bowl in the next 5 years.
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The only legitimate question is-- how good is Brian Kelly's fake Michigander accent? That will be an important deciding factor.
isn't Kelly from Michigan originally?
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I don't get the Brian Kelly rumors. I don't mean this as a knock on the Michigan job in the slightest, but I can't figure out why he would leave LSU for Michigan. He just got here, just finished assembling likely the best staff he's ever had on paper--many of whom would not go with him elsewhere--has a criminally massive contract, building a great recruiting class, and his biggest obstacle just retired.
I'm ambivalent on whether he stays at LSU or not. I'm not convinced he's the guy LSU thinks he is, but purely from his perspective, I don't know why you'd go through the upheaval again.
If Michigan is beating the hell out of us in NIL, like Ohio State, like Ole Miss, like UGA, like Texas.....I guess I could see that.
I don't get them either. I don't think Kelly leaves LSU for Michigan and the chances are less than zero.
But I didn't think he'd leave Notre Dame for LSU, so who knows.
Michigan has all the money in the world, so if they wanted to throw a stupid offer at him they could. I doubt they would.
Sherrone Moore is the only play here imo. And if Moore doesn't workout in 4-5 years, then go swing for the fences and try to land someone else. Or just rehire Jeem once the Spanos family tires of him and fires him.
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isn't Kelly from Michigan originally?
He coached at Grand Valley State and Central for like 20 years but he's from Massachusetts.
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isn't Kelly from Michigan originally?
I have no idea. :)
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So of the 4 playoff teams from 2023/4, Sarkisian is the only head coach remaining in the same position. Probably not very insightful, but interesting.
saw that the other day.Saban I understand walking away because he is set both financially and his place amongst the Greats.Jimma was a beating the posse out of Dodge while still making coin but his achievements have been dully noted and not in a positive light.Beboer 3 yrs back was in windswept Podunk N.Dakota.He was pulling good coin with the Huskies time will tell,like it or not if he can keep the tide in their accustomed lofty perch.But he was a hero in Seattle
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I don't get them either. I don't think Kelly leaves LSU for Michigan and the chances are less than zero.
But I didn't think he'd leave Notre Dame for LSU, so who knows.
Well he hasn't got down his Cajun/Acadian accent yet so I'm guessing NO. And he has learnt to cook the ditch critters
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to guys who are rotational players or buried on the depth chart....
Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, Will Johnson, Donovan Edwards, Colston Loveland, Giovanni El-Hadid, Rod Moore, Keon Sabb, Makari Page, Ernest Hausmann, Derrick Moore, and Josaiah Stewart aren't going to Wisconsin if there's a massive portal exodus, and those are the cream of the crop players on that roster.
I'd like to have WR I'Marian Stewart, DE Dominic Nichols and DT Roderick Pierce (former UW commit). Not looking for the cream of the crop. These are 2023 and 2024 kids.
UW is in good shape at QB, OL, TE, and RB. Need WR and DL's. DL's badly. Playing time... right now.
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I don't get them either. I don't think Kelly leaves LSU for Michigan and the chances are less than zero.
But I didn't think he'd leave Notre Dame for LSU, so who knows.
I kinda understand the LSU move. Notre Dame is what it is, and I think that's "washed up".
- They're nowhere near the national draw that they once were. They haven't won it all in 35 years. Without getting into politics, Catholicism/religiosity isn't what it used to be, so I would worry that might impact their national fan base.
- While they can recruit nationally, demographically they're in an area of the country that is shrinking, and have OSU/UM in their backyard who have actually won national titles this century (at least as of 2 weeks ago lol).
- LSU is in a better climate if you want to recruit nationally, and there are more recruits per capita worth getting in the South IMHO.
- While I think they're pompous poseurs, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they think they can still win despite having more stringent admission requirements for football than other helmet schools. They might have the ego they can be the ND of old while handcuffing themselves.
- As crazy as southerners are about their football, are the expectations actually as high at LSU as ND? And in this I think it might be a double-edged sword. I'm not sure expectations WERE as high b/c Saban was around, whereas at ND expectations are always high. Delusional, but high. And now I don't know that he'd leave for UM because Saban's gone, because he doesn't have to compete with him any more. Expectations are high but are actually more attainable.
I don't know why he'd leave for Michigan. It has a lot of the same problems as ND (including, now, heightened expectations), but I don't see many advantages.
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I kinda understand the LSU move. Notre Dame is what it is, and I think that's "washed up".
- They're nowhere near the national draw that they once were. They haven't won it all in 35 years. Without getting into politics, Catholicism/religiosity isn't what it used to be, so I would worry that might impact their national fan base.
- While they can recruit nationally, demographically they're in an area of the country that is shrinking, and have OSU/UM in their backyard who have actually won national titles this century (at least as of 2 weeks ago lol).
- LSU is in a better climate if you want to recruit nationally, and there are more recruits per capita worth getting in the South IMHO.
- While I think they're pompous poseurs, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they think they can still win despite having more stringent admission requirements for football than other helmet schools. They might have the ego they can be the ND of old while handcuffing themselves.
- As crazy as southerners are about their football, are the expectations actually as high at LSU as ND? And in this I think it might be a double-edged sword. I'm not sure expectations WERE as high b/c Saban was around, whereas at ND expectations are always high. Delusional, but high. And now I don't know that he'd leave for UM because Saban's gone, because he doesn't have to compete with him any more. Expectations are high but are actually more attainable.
I don't know why he'd leave for Michigan. It has a lot of the same problems as ND (including, now, heightened expectations), but I don't see many advantages.
kind of agree with all this.
but the landscape is changing. NIL & portal is going to become more important than ever. LSU might not be able to keep up with the Jonses in that department.
Michigan doesn't have the same academic restrictions that ND has. And it's in a state with much more talent. Michigan at least has some talent as a state. Indiana has virtually next to none.
Michigan is a better job than ND and you CAN win titles there. 2 of Michigan's last 4 head coaches have won a National Title and multiple B1G championships. That's 50% by my math. And LC was a really good coach, not an elite one imo. Jeem was/is an elite one imo. Problem for Michigan however is that RichRod was a pretty bad coach and Brady Hoke might've actually been a worse one than RichRod.
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Good point on NIL. I didn't really include it in my analysis because while we know it has a massive effect, it's so new and it's changing so fast that it's hard to discern exactly what, how, and where it is having that effect. And then it gets even harder to project what it'll be even 2-3 years form now.
But if I had to guess, UM is going to have bigger fundraising capability for NIL than LSU. Big alumni base, more national rather than regional following, and to an extent possibly a more affluent base to raise from. I'll tell you that in Orange County, CA, I see a lot more yellow M decals on cars / sweatshirts / etc than purple LSU decals.
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Michigan is a better job than ND and you CAN win titles there. 2 of Michigan's last 4 head coaches have won 1/2 of a National Title and one yet to be determined & multiple B1G championships. That's 50% by my math. And LC was a really good coach, not an elite one imo. Jeem was/is an elite one imo. Problem for Michigan however is that RichRod was a pretty bad coach and Brady Hoke might've actually been a worse one than RichRod.
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if Michigan doesn't hire Moore it could be open season on the portal for them. Their top 5 most coveted guys that teams will tamper with to try and get in the portal will be....
1) Will Johnson, CB, True Jr. - best CB in the nation and it's not close imo. Future top 10 NFL draft pick.
2) Donovan Edwards, RB, True Sr. - freak show athlete, was banged up a lot and basically barely used in '23...as ELA has said before the guy is basically Marshall Faulk and Jeem had no idea how to use him properly. Could be a 1,000 yard rusher and 1,000 yard receiver in the right system. Would LOVE to see him in an offense like Oregon or USC's if he does go.
3) Mason Graham, DT, True Jr. - maybe the best d-tackle in CFB in '24. certainly in the convo. Future 1st rd pick.
4) Colston Loveland, TE, True Jr. - arguably the top returning TE in all of CFB. Plug and play All-American level TE.
5) Kenneth Grant, NT, True Jr. - complete freak show for a NT. 6'4, 340 and moves way better than anyone his size has any business doing. looks like one of those mutants Georgia had inside on the DL in '22 & '23. Not as polished as Graham but more physically gifted. He's got future 1st rd potential.
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if Michigan doesn't hire Moore it could be open season on the portal for them. Their top 5 most coveted guys that teams will tamper with to try and get in the portal will be....
I did see pointed out that here, the spring semester has already started, so even if kids did transfer, they wouldn't be able to enroll til summer, and they'd miss spring ball.
Might as well stick it out through the spring, see how things go, and then if you still want out, use the post-spring transfer window.
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I did see pointed out that here, the spring semester has already started, so even if kids did transfer, they wouldn't be able to enroll til summer, and they'd miss spring ball.
Might as well stick it out through the spring, see how things go, and then if you still want out, use the post-spring transfer window.
just saw this mentioned on cover 3 podcast. Michigan may have lucked out here on the timing. I'm 99% they'll promote Moore anyways and keep that roster intact.
Michigan better hit that portal hard in spring. Need a QB.
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Some schools could still accept a transfer student. Add/Drops at Texas go on for another week, so theoretically a Michigan cornerback or safety or both could come to Texas and enroll for the spring...
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just saw this mentioned on cover 3 podcast. Michigan may have lucked out here on the timing. I'm 99% they'll promote Moore anyways and keep that roster intact.
Michigan better hit that portal hard in spring. Need a QB.
Agreed. He was in my top 5 MSU candidates, but my concerns were (i) having to wait for Michigan's season to be over; and (ii) bringing in an outsider with no head coaching experience. I think promoting from within is one thing. But how many P5 coaches were outside hires with no head coaching experience?
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not sure how true it is, but internet rumor going 'round that internally Moore is already the guy just hasn't been announced bc of some stupid state law in Michigan where the job opening has to be posted for 7 days, that DC Jesse Minter is going to the NFL with Jeem, Herbert is staying put at S&C, and that RB coach Mike Hart is leaving because Moore wasn't going to promote him to OC and Hart definitely has aspirations of moving up in the coaching game and being a head coach one day.
we'll see in like a week how accurate any of this is....
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2) Donovan Edwards, RB, True Sr. - freak show athlete, was banged up a lot and basically barely used in '23...as ELA has said before the guy is basically Marshall Faulk and Jeem had no idea how to use him properly. Could be a 1,000 yard rusher and 1,000 yard receiver in the right system. Would LOVE to see him in an offense like Oregon or USC's if he does go.
If something went screwy with the coaching decisions, what does Edwards' draft potential look like if he's a true senior?
I mean, I assume he'd be invited to the combine. And if he's the freak show athlete you say, between that and Michigan's pro day, his stock could likely rocket up despite maybe not being used enough in college based on measurables?
I don't follow the draft much, and frankly don't know much about Edwards. But we all know that for running backs, the earlier you can get into the league, the better, because you want to be as young as possible when you have a shot at getting paid after your rookie deal. What would that decision-making matrix look like for him, declaring for the draft vs transferring and trying to "show out" while hopefully avoiding injury?
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Agreed. He was in my top 5 MSU candidates, but my concerns were (i) having to wait for Michigan's season to be over; and (ii) bringing in an outsider with no head coaching experience. I think promoting from within is one thing. But how many P5 coaches were outside hires with no head coaching experience?
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If something went screwy with the coaching decisions, what does Edwards' draft potential look like if he's a true senior?
I mean, I assume he'd be invited to the combine. And if he's the freak show athlete you say, between that and Michigan's pro day, his stock could likely rocket up despite maybe not being used enough in college based on measurables?
I don't follow the draft much, and frankly don't know much about Edwards. But we all know that for running backs, the earlier you can get into the league, the better, because you want to be as young as possible when you have a shot at getting paid after your rookie deal. What would that decision-making matrix look like for him, declaring for the draft vs transferring and trying to "show out" while hopefully avoiding injury?
he came back because he had a down junior year coming off an incredibly impressive sophomore year. pretty simple, he wants to be the feature back and get the bulk of the carries to show what he can do, and he just never had that chance with Corum there. he's over 6', 210ish, runs 4.4 and could play WR at a high level if he concentrated on that position full time. simply put Corum sucked up the vast majority of the run game carries and they just flat out don't pass the ball enough to actually utilize receiving skills and motion him out wide or in the slot and play him at WR or run wheel routes with him out of the backfield and actually use him in the pass game- but when they actually have made it a point of emphasis to get him the ball as a receiver- he shines.
PFF was talking about him as a potential 1st rd pick after his sophomore year. His JR year he missed spring and a big chunk of fall camp with a knee injury and he was banged up most of the season and barely used til he had a couple big runs vs Penn State and then went all video game in the Natty.
Corum is a fantastic college back, will probably be a day 2 pick and solid pro for 5 years or so. Edwards on the other hand has superstar potential and could be a 1st rd pick and develop into one of the best backs in the entire NFL imo- especially with the way the game is played today and how valuable pass catching RB's are. Think Alvin Kamara 2.0.
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the unquestioned king of CFB now with Saban retired, Jeem off to the NFL, and Dabo on the backslide down to reality.
Ryan Day better beat Michigan and win a natty this year or he's probably fired and then Kirby is going to win his 3rd in 4 years and just take sh*t over and we'll have another goddamn Saban on our hands where one guy just sucks all the oxygen out of the room.
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he came back because he had a down junior year coming off an incredibly impressive sophomore year. pretty simple, he wants to be the feature back and get the bulk of the carries to show what he can do, and he just never had that chance with Corum there. he's over 6', 210ish, runs 4.4 and could play WR at a high level if he concentrated on that position full time. simply put Corum sucked up the vast majority of the run game carries and they just flat out don't pass the ball enough to actually utilize receiving skills and motion him out wide or in the slot and play him at WR or run wheel routes with him out of the backfield and actually use him in the pass game- but when they actually have made it a point of emphasis to get him the ball as a receiver- he shines.
PFF was talking about him as a potential 1st rd pick after his sophomore year. His JR year he missed spring and a big chunk of fall camp with a knee injury and he was banged up most of the season and barely used til he had a couple big runs vs Penn State and then went all video game in the Natty.
Corum is a fantastic college back, will probably be a day 2 pick and solid pro for 5 years or so. Edwards on the other hand has superstar potential and could be a 1st rd pick and develop into one of the best backs in the entire NFL imo- especially with the way the game is played today and how valuable pass catching RB's are. Think Alvin Kamara 2.0.
Thanks... But that doesn't actually answer the question lol...
If he decided tomorrow to declare for the draft, what sort of look do you think he'd get?
Including the problem of poor utilization in 2023 and being behind Corum, but assuming that he shows out with great measurables at pro day / combine.
I mean, Kamara was a round 3 pick. Even if he shows out in 2024, what's Edwards' ceiling? Is there a huge benefit over trying to go in this year's draft?
Or, perhaps putting it another way... Once the pro day / combine stuff is done, what are the odds Edwards would be drafted ABOVE Corum?
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the unquestioned king of CFB now with Saban retired, Jeem off to the NFL, and Dabo on the backslide down to reality.
Ryan Day better beat Michigan and win a natty this year or he's probably fired and then Kirby is going to win his 3rd in 4 years and just take sh*t over and we'll have another goddamn Saban on our hands where one guy just sucks all the oxygen out of the room.
Must beat Michigan, probably. Win the NC or get fired? Unlikely.
Georgia is coming to Austin this year and I like Texas' chances to win. Nobody's going to be able to do what Saban and Alabama did again, not any time soon. It's too easy for teams with means to repair their rosters within moments, not years. It's precisely why Saban's leaving right now. He can't dominate like he used to, really nobody can.
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Beat Michigan, probably. Win the NC or get fired? Unlikely.
Georgia is coming to Austin this year and I like Texas' chances to win. Nobody's going to be able to do what Alabama did again, not any time soon. It's too easy for teams with means to repair their rosters within moments, not years.
guess I worded that wrong, but I am assuming them beating Michigan (finally after like 5 years) likely means they will have probably won the Natty. But I guess that's a stupid assumption seeing as how we're now in a 12 team playoff. the heat is 100% on his ass though- if he doesn't beat Michigan I'd say there's a greater than 50% chance he's fired the Monday following that game.
I would like to hope that no one would do what Bama did with Nick and dominate everything for 15 years straight, but man if Kirby gets ANOTHER one and has his 3rd in 4 years, that machine will just keep on rolling. I'd honestly like to see UGA miss the playoff this year and see them fall back down to earth a little bit. Call me a hater. I don't care.
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Thanks... But that doesn't actually answer the question lol...
If he decided tomorrow to declare for the draft, what sort of look do you think he'd get?
Including the problem of poor utilization in 2023 and being behind Corum, but assuming that he shows out with great measurables at pro day / combine.
I mean, Kamara was a round 3 pick. Even if he shows out in 2024, what's Edwards' ceiling? Is there a huge benefit over trying to go in this year's draft?
Or, perhaps putting it another way... Once the pro day / combine stuff is done, what are the odds Edwards would be drafted ABOVE Corum?
there is no benefit really. he's going to test very well and his receiving skills are as good as it gets for a RB. would bet everything he'd also get drafted higher than Corum if he was in this upcoming draft. he's just bigger, faster, more athletic and more talented.
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guess I worded that wrong, but I am assuming them beating Michigan (finally after like 5 years) likely means they will have probably won the Natty. But I guess that's a stupid assumption seeing as how we're now in a 12 team playoff. the heat is 100% on his ass though- if he doesn't beat Michigan I'd say there's a greater than 50% chance he's fired the Monday following that game.
I would like to hope that no one would do what Bama did with Nick and dominate everything for 15 years straight, but man if Kirby gets ANOTHER one and has his 3rd in 4 years, that machine will just keep on rolling. I'd honestly like to see UGA miss the playoff this year and see them fall back down to earth a little bit. Call me a hater. I don't care.
If you specifically hated on Georgia then you might be a hater, but it sounds to me like you just don't want any one team to dominate like Alabama has. I think everyone on the planet outside of Tuscaloosa would agree with you there. I don't want to see Georgia dominate, but I also don't see any evidence that they will. They lost the SECCG to a talented but flawed Alabama team, and going forward I expect they'll lose other games too.
I echo your sentiments, and I don't hate Georgia. I never hated Alabama, either. Honestly I've always liked the Tide. I just don't want to see them or anyone else make the sport less fun by winning too much.
Except my own team, obviously. I'd find some way to live with that kind of success. :)
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But I guess that's a stupid assumption seeing as how we're now in a 12 team playoff. the heat is 100% on his ass though- if he doesn't beat Michigan I'd say there's a greater than 50% chance he's fired the Monday following that game.
Pretty sure with a 12-team CFP, an OSU team that loses to Michigan but is still a CFP favorite isn't firing their coach.
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If you specifically hated on Georgia then you might be a hater, but it sounds to me like you just don't want any one team to dominate like Alabama has.
Except my own team, obviously. I'd find some way to live with that kind of success. :)
I'll go to my Grave believing if Colt McCoy doesn't go down vs St Nick in jan 2010 Mack gets his second Trophy
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Maybe he’d close more deals if he talked dirty to abuse victims?
After which MSU famously tried to extend him, oh wait...
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guess I worded that wrong, but I am assuming them beating Michigan (finally after like 5 years) likely means they will have probably won the Natty. But I guess that's a stupid assumption seeing as how we're now in a 12 team playoff. the heat is 100% on his ass though- if he doesn't beat Michigan I'd say there's a greater than 50% chance he's fired the Monday following that game.
I would like to hope that no one would do what Bama did with Nick and dominate everything for 15 years straight, but man if Kirby gets ANOTHER one and has his 3rd in 4 years, that machine will just keep on rolling. I'd honestly like to see UGA miss the playoff this year and see them fall back down to earth a little bit. Call me a hater. I don't care.
How soon they forget. Ryan Day beat Michigan decisively in his very first try.
it was Harbaugh that took six seasons to do it.
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How soon they forget. Ryan Day beat Michigan decisively in his very first try.
it was Harbaugh that took six seasons to do it.
this is very true. but context matters.
Day inherited a loaded roster and a program that was a monster from Urban Meyer/Tressel that had arguably been the most dominant program in the entire country from 2002-2018. Look at the record. 2 Natty's (shoulda had 3 bc that 2015 squad was LOADED) played for 3 or 4 more, and ONE losing season in 18 seasons. One. And that ONE season was after Tressel was fired in disgrace and the team had an interim Luke Fickell as a head coach. That's it. So that one losing season almost comes with an asterisk. 15 of the 18 seasons- at least 10 wins. 13 of those 18 seasons at least 11 wins. Tressel laid the foundation of the machine and Urbz took the program to another level in terms of talent and recruiting. Day took over a top 3 program in the sport. Day really was born on 3rd base.
Jeem inherited a dumpster fire of a program that was stranded in the wilderness and that had been utterly and completely owned by Ohio State for a decade from RichRod/Hoke. He had to completely rebuild that bitch from the ground up.
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How soon they forget. Ryan Day beat Michigan decisively in his very first try.
it was Harbaugh that took six seasons to do it.
Ryan Day inherited an Urban program and Harbaugh inherited a Brady Hoke program. I’m sure theres no difference there.
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After which MSU famously tried to extend him, oh wait...
don't kid yourself. MSU only got rid of him because they got caught with their pants down- pun intended- after he got exposed as the truly DOG SHIT football coach he is- and it was an easy out to get rid of him on the cheap and not have to pony up on that INSANELY retarded $100 million guaranteed contract they gave him for winning one game vs Michigan in East Lansing.
If ol' phone sex was actually a legit coach that had a 40-3 record with 3 B1G titles, 3 CFP trips, and 1 Natty under his belt in the last 3 seasons the brass at Michigan State wouldn't have ever fired him. They'd have done everything in their power to stand behind him. It was an easy decision to save $80 million and throw him in the trash can like one of his tissues after a phone call because he was such a fking terrible football coach. If he was an elite coach, he'd still be there.
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Ryan Day inherited an Urban program and Harbaugh inherited a Brady Hoke program. I’m sure theres no difference there.
Will Muschamp claimed inheriting an Urban program was the cause of all his failures
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You guys are hilarious. Michigan should be pretty good next year and compete for the Big Ten title with Moore running the program.
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don't kid yourself. MSU only got rid of him because they got caught with their pants down- pun intended- after he got exposed as the truly DOG SHIT football coach he is- and it was an easy out to get rid of him on the cheap and not have to pony up on that INSANELY retarded $100 million guaranteed contract they gave him for winning one game vs Michigan in East Lansing.
Do all of you ann arbor astro fans(pun intended) faff the facts this badly? Mel beat Booger in '20 and '21 seasons losing in '22 after the Field Brawl and the previous tunnel fight. Thus being 2-1 vs Michigan
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Will Muschamp claimed inheriting an Urban program was the cause of all his failures
Muschamp didn't do much to repair the program, but Urban did leave a dumpster fire at Florida.
Despite what Urbz said about his health, I'll always believe he left because he missed badly on a number of recruits and he knew it. Which is why after he left, his health magically got better and he coached at Ohio State with no apparent problems. He left Florida with a roster of athletically gifted players.....who didn't excel at football. They just weren't anything near the caliber of his NC winning teams. I also think after two years of meeting Saban's Alabama in the SECCG, winning the first meeting and losing the second, he realized what was happening in the SEC and wanted out of that. He wasn't going to be the king with Saban there. It sure looked that way on his face during that SECCG. He looked like he wanted to be anywhere but there. Retired afterwards "for health reasons," and then the team had a "spirited practice," so he un-retired and came back for a disastrous 2010 season, at which point he knew beyond the shadow of a doubt his roster was junk and decided he had health problems again.
Muschamp wasn't the answer, but he didn't create the problem either.
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Will Muschamp claimed inheriting an Urban program was the cause of all his failures
comparing apples to oranges. The Florida program that Muschamp was taking over was an 8-5 sinking ship thin on talent and full of ghetto jailbirds that ran the asylum, which is why Urbz faked his heart attack to get out of dodge. The Ohio State program that 3rd base took over was locked and loaded coming off a 13-1 season and returning a shitload of NFL talent.
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Do all of you ann arbor astro fans(pun intended) faff the facts this badly? Mel beat Booger in '20 and '21 seasons losing in '22 after the Field Brawl and the previous tunnel fight. Thus being 2-1 vs Michigan
Brother, they gave Tugger that stupid insane contract because of his comeback win at home in '21. And Tugger can thank Kenneth Walker III for going ape-shit in the 2nd half and bringing them back from a 16 point deficit to win the game. Without that one win and without Kenneth Walker III single-handedly putting that entire team on his back in '21 Tugger is what he's always been....a dog shit football coach.
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Stick to facts Tugger was 2-1 straight up vs Booger both were pos.No buts or ifs,One a crank yanker the other slept with recruits and cheated
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You guys are hilarious. Michigan should be pretty good next year and compete for the Big Ten title with Moore running the program.
Agreed. Michigan should be min of 9-3 next year and fighting for a playoff spot so long as they hire Sherrone Moore and don't bleed out in the portal like Bama.
That defense is going to be downright nasty. There are big question marks on the offense however. The OL will need to be rebuilt and have to find a QB. Whether that's Alex Orji or the true frosh Jadyn Davis or they get a portal guy in the spring window....someone has to seize that job. I have utmost faith in Sherrone Moore to rebuild the OL, he's one of the best OL coaches there is in the sport. They're all set at RB. All set at TE. Have to develop WR's a bit and hit the portal there in the spring for depth as well imo.
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comparing apples to oranges. The Florida program that Muschamp was taking over was an 8-5 sinking ship thin on talent and full of ghetto jailbirds that ran the asylum, which is why Urbz faked his heart attack to get out of dodge. The Ohio State program that 3rd base took over was locked and loaded coming off a 13-1 season and returning a shitload of NFL talent.
Wouldn't of gotten very far without Ryan Day pulling Justin Fields
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Wouldn't of gotten very far without Ryan Day pulling Justin Fields
that's very true as well. Ohio State was loaded in '19, only thing missing was the QB. should've played LSU for the Natty that year, but Day choked it vs Clemson up 16 points.
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Stick to facts Tugger was 2-1 straight up vs Booger both were pos.No buts or ifs,One a crank yanker the other slept with recruits and cheated
And Ryan Day is 0 for his last 3, including an 0-1 record against the future HC. Zero B1G championships. All since he said he was going to "hang 100" on them. With the most exorbitant amount of resources and cash in college football. No buts or ifs, just facts.
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Michigan's challenge will be if they can develop an offense that can generate 20-28 points a game, control the clock and limit turnovers. Offensive line development and finding a big wide receiver target will play into that. The defense should be just fine. Maybe not quite as deep this coming season, but their front end starters will be elite.
Texas, Oregon, and Ohio will all be top 5ish teams. If they can steal one of those, they will be in position for a playoff bid. If not, it means running the table and hoping the B1G gets 4 - 5 invites to the dance. That would have happened this year with a 1 12 team playoff (Washington, Oregon, Michigan, Ohio, Penn State), albeit the conference wasn't together yet.
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And Ryan Day is 0 for his last 3, including an 0-1 record against the future HC. Zero B1G championships. All since he said he was going to "hang 100" on them. With the most exorbitant amount of resources and cash in college football. No buts or ifs, just facts.
Smashing and booger is still 3-5 vs tOSU with one chicken out and sanctions incoming.And what has M won vs tOSU 5 games since 2001,no buts or ifs about it .And of course ONE NC every 75 yrs so we'll be seeing Halley's comet before that happens again ;D
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With the most exorbitant amount of resources and cash in college football. No buts or ifs, just facts.
A lot of folks glossing over that this year... and somehow 2024 brought an even larger pile of cash to an insane level. Harbaugh leaving with a championship trophy raised above his head will certainly get me through a lot of years ahead... but Ryan Day failing to win it all this coming year would really add some laughter and smiles as no one in college football will have more resources nor talent this season. He'll be out of excuses.
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Smashing and booger is still 3-5 vs tOSU with one chicken out and sanctions incoming.And what has M won vs tOSU 5 games since 2001,no buts or ifs about it .And of course ONE NC every 75 yrs so we'll be seeing Halley's comet before that happens again ;D
yeah, I doubt those sanctions are coming. wish in one hand nubz and shit in the other, see what comes first.
Michigan has the same amount of Natty's since 1969 as Ohio State does. Two. Congrats on your program being tied with it's All-Time daddy Nubbz. :)
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A lot of folks glossing over that this year... and somehow 2024 brought an even larger pile of cash to an insane level. Harbaugh leaving with a championship trophy raised above his head will certainly get me through a lot of years ahead... but Ryan Day failing to win it all this coming year would really add some laughter and smiles as no one in college football will have more resources nor talent this season. He'll be out of excuses.
Pressure is on Ryan Day like never before. THE GAME is in Columbus and Michigan loses it's HC, QB, and bunch of starters to the NFL + OSU's NIL programs shelled out $13 mil to get a bunch of guys on the team that could've gone to the NFL to return for 1 more year + they poached some big-time pick ups in the portal like Caleb Downs and Quinshon Judkins.
It really is an if not now, then when moment for Day. The deck is stacked in his favor like never before. He doesn't pull it off this year, that rabid fan base is going to be out for blood. They are out of patience with him, they've gone all-in to win in '24. If he doesn't beat Michigan he's toast. Only way he could save his job at that point is to win a Natty, but there would still be tons of fans wanting his head on a spike even then.
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Michigan's challenge will be if they can develop an offense that can generate 20-28 points a game, control the clock and limit turnovers. Offensive line development and finding a big wide receiver target will play into that. The defense should be just fine. Maybe not quite as deep this coming season, but their front end starters will be elite.
Texas, Oregon, and Ohio will all be top 5ish teams. If they can steal one of those, they will be in position for a playoff bid. If not, it means running the table and hoping the B1G gets 4 - 5 invites to the dance. That would have happened this year with a 1 12 team playoff (Washington, Oregon, Michigan, Ohio, Penn State), albeit the conference wasn't together yet.
people expecting the demise of Michigan will probably wind up being greatly disappointed....
As long as they hire Sherrone Moore and keep most of that staff and roster intact, they'll be a really solid football team in 2024. Their defense will be one of the top 5 in the country. They'll have to rebuild depth at EDGE and ILB and replace Mike Sainistril at nickel, but they have high end talent all up and down that defense.
They have a nice stable of RB's with Donovan Edwards returning to helm it. They have maybe the best returning TE in the nation in Colston Loveland. Alex Orji is an incredible athlete. Can he play QB at a functional level? We're about to find out. They don't need him to be a Heisman caliber 1st rd draft pick or anything to win a bunch of games. Jalen Milroe is the model. If they can get like 15-20 Pass TD's and single digit INT's and have him rush for a handful of TD's- they'll be just fine. They don't need someone to be CJ Stroud or Bryce Young. That's not how they play. They'll run the ball and play-action on offense and then play stingy ass defense. And they'll win games doing that just like they have the last 3 years. They went to a playoff with freaking Cade McNamara as their QB in 2021 throwing 15 TD's to 6 INT's.
Rebuilding the OL will be primary concern #1. Sherrone Moore is the best OL coach in the game. So long as he is there, they'll always have above average OL's imo. They have had guys waiting in the wings like Giovanni El-Hadi and Andrew Gentry that would've already been starters if the OL wasn't so veteran, deep, and established already and the kid they brought in from the portal from Northwestern will factor into the mix as well at one of the guard spots.
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The whataboutism with Day runs deep.
The fake machismo after the Notre Dame game directed at a 90 year old senial nursing home patient was where I realized Day was broken. If Freeman didn’t blow it with 10 players on D, the bucks lose that game too. Attacking Lou showed that the critics had gotten under Day’s skin. He doesn’t have the nails Urbz & Tress had. Love them or hate them, they were tough and their teams were tough. And they would have had zero awareness or acknowledgment of something obscure Lou Holtz rambled about in a radio interview from his nursing home.
Day couldn’t pull it off with Stroud, Olave, Wilson, JSN and Marv. We’ll see if a Dodgers level payroll jump will do the trick.
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Michigan insider John U Bacon on the Harbaugh to LA transition.
says job is basically Moore's and that Jeem and AD Warde Manuel "positively hate each other." That's a quote.
Jeem has a tendency of hating his bosses and his bosses hating him: Stanford, 49ers, and now Michigan. The marriage in LA won't last 5 years imo. Only reason he lasted 9 years at Michigan was because of his ties to Michigan/Bo.
https://www.michiganpublic.org/sports/2024-01-26/bacon-harbaugh-delivered-on-his-promise
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And Ryan Day is 0 for his last 3, including an 0-1 record against the future HC. Zero B1G championships. All since he said he was going to "hang 100" on them. With the most exorbitant amount of resources and cash in college football. No buts or ifs, just facts.
How quickly you forget that your guys lost 15 of 16 prior to those last three. Granted one of the 15 was subsequently vacated due to NCAA infractions but that really isn't something that helps your side.
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yeah, I doubt those sanctions are coming. wish in one hand nubz and shit in the other, see what comes first.
LoL. Dream on. Your program got caught red handed and the NCAA is slow but it will not be swept under the rug.
Michigan has the same amount of Natty's since 1969 as Ohio State does. Two. Congrats on your program being tied with it's All-Time daddy Nubbz. :)
You really want to play this game?
Ok, Michigan has 3* straight wins. Since all you Michigan guys are ignoring the fact that two of them will be vacated I'll ignore Ohio State's vacated win in 2010.
Last 20 years (2004-2023):
Last 50 years (1974-2023):
Last 75 years (1949-2023):
Last 100 years (1924-2023):
Since you cheaters rejoined the league (after getting booted for cheating) (1918-2023):
Since Ohio State joined the league (1913-2023):
Way to Cherry pick with NC's since 1969, what happened in 1968 that you are trying to avoid?
NC's since 1947:
- Ohio State 7, Michigan 2.5
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Seems like the biggest question for Moore will be hiring the coordinators - not sure there is a natural replacement on staff at either spot.
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yeah, I doubt those sanctions are coming. wish in one hand nubz and shit in the other, see what comes first.
Michigan has the same amount of Natty's since 1969 as Ohio State does. Two. Congrats on your program being tied with it's All-Time daddy Nubbz. :)
And No 1/2 doesn't count Those 'Skers would have waterborded Loyd's wolverines.Also everyone hides felony gun charges on team captains for 2 months until the season's over getting them to the CFB POs for the 1st time.LMAO doubt those sanctions are going to be coming? Because every body fires 3 coaches in one yr after stories break and every HC coach gets suspended twice in a season.And of course everybody asks for immunity clauses from penalties and the desperate program agrees to it,then he bolts anyway knowing the NCAA wasn't going to buy it. Sure - all sounds clean and above board.
And How did Stalions make $55,000 and buy a 475,000 home in Michigan 2 yrs ago. I'm decent enough in math but factoring land taxes,moving expenses,utilities,insurance,cars and furnishings.etc. i can't seem to make it fit.And this year after all this broke he is sent packing hmm seems odd for a guy who called a TO to instruct the defense vs Ohio St while Minter and Harbaugh looked on. All this comes down at the same time Wolverine Football happens to win it all. It's a miracle I tell you.
Harbaugh's Record
2015-2020:49-22 (69% win) 48% vs the spread
2021-2023: 33-3 (92% win) 72% vs the spread
Yet two time National Champion Georgia or the NFL couldn't stop CJ Stroud but Michigan somehow figured it all out?
https://youtu.be/NsgdZxjPtUk Look at Michigan's sideline - they knew the sign/play immediately. Don't try to tell anyone those knuckle dragging dummies figured that all out on their own.Stalions can be spotted right over CJs shoulder on the side line
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Seems like the biggest question for Moore will be hiring the coordinators - not sure there is a natural replacement on staff at either spot.
agree with that for sure. Steve Clinkscale and Mike Elston are both elite positional coaches but none have real DC experience. Both are nearly 50 which kind of seems up there in age to become first time DC's to me. No spring chickens and definitely not young wunderkid DC's like Mike McDonald or Jesse Minter. Ideally Moore would want to hire someone well versed in that 3-4 Ravens style defense that this roster is built for and has been so successful running the last 3 seasons.
Kirk Campbell might be worth a shot at promoting to OC. I'm sure Moore will still be heavily involved in the OL/Run game aspect of things as that is his background. Campbell seems to be young, energetic, and a hell of a recruiter. Not sure he's ready for OC but would hate to lose him. Could definitely do worse than him as well. See: Brian Ferentz.
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LoL. Dream on. Your program got caught red handed and the NCAA is slow but it will not be swept under the rug. You really want to play this game?
Ok, Michigan has 3* straight wins. Since all you Michigan guys are ignoring the fact that two of them will be vacated I'll ignore Ohio State's vacated win in 2010.
Last 20 years (2004-2023):
Last 50 years (1974-2023):
Last 75 years (1949-2023):
Last 100 years (1924-2023):
Since you cheaters rejoined the league (after getting booted for cheating) (1918-2023):
Since Ohio State joined the league (1913-2023):
Way to Cherry pick with NC's since 1969, what happened in 1968 that you are trying to avoid?
NC's since 1947:
- Ohio State 7, Michigan 2.5
TL; DR
https://twitter.com/MichiganClock/status/1750873747383333354?s=20
:)
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And No 1/2 doesn't count Those 'Skers would have waterborded Loyd's wolverines.Also everyone hides felony gun charges on team captains for 2 months until the season's over getting them to the CFB POs for the 1st time.LMAO doubt those sanctions are going to be coming? Because every body fires 3 coaches in one yr after stories break and every HC coach gets suspended twice in a season.And of course everybody asks for immunity clauses from penalties and the desperate program agrees to it,then he bolts anyway knowing the NCAA wasn't going to buy it. Sure - all sounds clean and above board.
And How did Stalions make $55,000 and buy a 475,000 home in Michigan 2 yrs ago. I'm decent enough in math but factoring land taxes,moving expenses,utilities,insurance,cars and furnishings.etc. i can't seem to make it fit.And this year after all this broke he is sent packing hmm seems odd for a guy who called a TO to instruct the defense vs Ohio St while Minter and Harbaugh looked on. All this comes down at the same time Wolverine Football happens to win it all. It's a miracle I tell you.
Harbaugh's Record
2015-2020:49-22 (69% win) 48% vs the spread
2021-2023: 33-3 (92% win) 72% vs the spread
Yet two time National Champion Georgia or the NFL couldn't stop CJ Stroud but Michigan somehow figured it all out?
https://youtu.be/NsgdZxjPtUk Look at Michigan's sideline - they knew the sign/play immediately. Don't try to tell anyone those knuckle dragging dummies figured that all out on their own.Stalions can be spotted right over CJs shoulder on the side line
TL; DR
https://twitter.com/MichiganClock/status/1750873747383333354?s=20
:)
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They should be solid next season.
Great O-line coach(Moore) and a wicked good defense.
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TL; DR
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Does that include 2020 with steel in his spine Head Wound Harbaugh chickened out? Before beating ass out of town in front of the posse
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They should be solid next season.
Great O-line coach(Moore) and a wicked good defense.
I think so as well. Edwards returning is a big deal for their offense as well. He's an explosive playmaker. Excited to see him get more volume and work as THE GUY at RB now that Corum is gone. So long as Moore is promoted to HC they shouldn't bleed out in the portal like Bama, and Moore will rebuild a solid OL. He's a former OL and one of the best OL coaches there is in the sport. Replacing the QB is going to be a big question obviously. They don't need a star at QB. They just need someone not to fk it up and turn it over a lot. And it would be a plus if that someone was Orji who had the juice to make a big run or two a game with his legs.
They'll fall back down to earth a little bit obviously. They are not going 15-0 and winning a Natty again......but they also aren't going to fall off the map and go 6-6 or sub .500 or anything like that.
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Michigan 247 site reporting it's official. Michigan got the waiver and Sherrone Moore is officially named the next head coach at Michigan. Makes history as the first black head coach at the University of Michigan. Believe he's also only 38 years old. Have a feeling he's going to crush it on the 'crootin' trail much better than Jeem ever did.
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Did he actually say that? If so then Puhleeze as batshit bent as Booger is that entitled no accomplished shyt shouldn't be bumping his gums.All of Cali has been his oyster and he's clutching his pearls. I feel filthy defending M until the ruling comes down
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must be true
found it on FB
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Allriiighty then that settles it
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I thought it was Chip Kelly who said it
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yeah there is no way he said that, especially considering his teams are charmin soft on the lines of scrimmage and defense in particular and always have been since his days at OU, which is why he's never really won jackshit.
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Moore will recruit at a high level imo. Even higher than Jeem.
He's young and energetic, and as a former CFB player himself he will connect well with recruits and their families. There's also usually a new coach bump that just typically comes with hiring new head coach. Also; being the first black head coach at Michigan should have some sway with some recruits and their families. He seems like a genuine dude that players love playing for. There are no rumors of him leaving for the NFL and NFL flirtations every single off-season. Oh and he's not a CTE/autistic complete weirdo like Jeem.
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Moore will recruit at a high level imo. Even higher than Jeem.
He's young and energetic, and as a former CFB player himself he will connect well with recruits and their families. There's also usually a new coach bump that just typically comes with hiring new head coach. Also; being the first black head coach at Michigan should have some sway with some recruits and their families. He seems like a genuine dude that players love playing for. There are no rumors of him leaving for the NFL and NFL flirtations every single off-season. Oh and he's not a CTE/autistic complete weirdo like Jeem.
Yeah, he seems like a genuinely good guy. Plus, he’s already proven he can coach and recruit.
I liked the choice. All rivalry hype aside I think he’ll do well.
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Yeah, he seems like a genuinely good guy. Plus, he’s already proven he can coach and recruit.
I liked the choice. All rivalry hype aside I think he’ll do well.
Yeah I think it was the only choice really and if it doesn’t work out then you can go try and hire someone else and do a rebuild.
Big thing for Moore will be retaining as much of the defensive staff as possible and keeping Ben Herbert on for S&C.
Michigan’s offensive staff is pretty mid outside of Moore himself imo and no one would be a big loss.
Steve Clinkscale is one of the best DBs coaches there is, Mike Elston is one of the best DL coaches there is, and Jesse Minter and Ben Herbert might just be the best DC & SC guys there are in the sport period. Sam Webb seems to think Minter was going to NFL no matter what even if Jeem had come back and that Herbert will stay in Ann Arbor.
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Is Minter for sure going with Jeem? Haven't seen/heard that reported yet
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Is Minter for sure going with Jeem? Haven't seen/heard that reported yet
Unclear if he's going with Jim, but seems like he's certainly going to the NFL
https://twitter.com/JoshHenschke/status/1751287074676744495?s=20
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https://twitter.com/jakethefner/status/1751273708189274119?t=DtEhJ5uB6I6XJLAIqJiKUQ
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Lots of chatter about Jim Leonhard going to Michigan.
I would not like that at all.
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Lots of chatter about Jim Leonhard going to Michigan.
I would not like that at all.
I would.
If Moore makes that hire….wow. He’s on to a start. Leonhard has to keep Mike Elston at DL coach and Steve Clinkscale at DB coach. Both those guys are excellent.
Need to see what the offensive staff shakes out to be. Moore could probably remain OL coach but he’ll need to find an OC and play caller.
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JL runs a 3-4 and 2-4-5.
Does Michigan have the personnel for that style?
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there's a portal
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Rebuilding the OL will be primary concern #1. Sherrone Moore is the best OL coach in the game. So long as he is there, they'll always have above average OL's imo. They have had guys waiting in the wings like Giovanni El-Hadi and Andrew Gentry that would've already been starters if the OL wasn't so veteran, deep, and established already and the kid they brought in from the portal from Northwestern will factor into the mix as well at one of the guard spots.
Bullshit Jeem portaled perfectly the last 2-3 seasons at that position, we'll see if Moore was borne on 3rd base. Moore maybe coached them up alittle I'd still take Warriner if he'd come back as an OL coach
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The fake machismo after the Notre Dame game directed at a 90 year old senial nursing home patient was where I realized Day was broken. If Freeman didn’t blow it with 10 players on D, the bucks lose that game too. Attacking Lou showed that the critics had gotten under Day’s skin. He doesn’t have the nails Urbz & Tress had. Love them or hate them, they were tough and their teams were tough. And they would have had zero awareness or acknowledgment of something obscure Lou Holtz rambled about in a radio interview from his nursing home.
Day couldn’t pull it off with Stroud, Olave, Wilson, JSN and Marv. We’ll see if a Dodgers level payroll jump will do the trick.
Did you play with nail guns growing up? Fake Machoism is that what so called student athletes who get in 3 tunnel fights and a field Brawl in games M "hosted" are? While knowling hiding a gun toting team captain for 2 months until the season's over.That Machoism? Then have 3 coaches fired the next yr and the HC getting suspended twice and later asking for immunity from the governing body if program is found in violation of NCAA infractions. Yes real clean program - a big nothing burger,even a lampshade like you doesn't believe that.Booger still left with a 3-5 record vs tOSU and one chicken out - the envy of CFB
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JL runs a 3-4 and 2-4-5.
Does Michigan have the personnel for that style?
Michigan has run 3-4 the last 3 years….the defensive roster has been specifically constructed for it.
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Michigan has run 3-4 the last 3 years….the defensive roster has been specifically constructed for it.
Interesting. I looked at a depth chart and saw 4 DL and 3 LB.
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Michigan S&C coach Ben Herbert headed to LA with Harbaugh. That one hurts.
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Michigan S&C coach Ben Herbert headed to LA with Harbaugh. That one hurts.
Much bigger loss than Minter. You can replace a DC in college. An elite S&C guy in college is damn near irreplaceable.
Jeem is a fkn COCKSUCKER for that one. S&C guy in NFL is basically fkn useless position and next to meaningless. Damn near every NFL player is already a grown ass man physically developed product and they all have their own trainers and regiments. S&C guy in NFL is nothing but a mostly ceremonial position.
In college they are the most important coach on the roster, because they are taking 17-18 year old kids and reshaping their bodies into men.
Huge fkn blow to the program and Jeem really is a vindictive cocksucker for that one. He could’ve hired anyone in the NFL to be his S&C guy- it literally doesn’t matter. It’s a next to useless position on that level.
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Michigan S&C coach Ben Herbert headed to LA with Harbaugh. That one hurts.
Yeah, that one stings.
Although weird for those bashing Harbaugh here. I guess it's a crime to surround yourself with the best talent possible. Apparently only terrible people do that.
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Yeah, that one stings.
Although weird for those bashing Harbaugh here. I guess it's a crime to surround yourself with the best talent possible. Apparently only terrible people do that.
I’ll put it more bluntly for you in plain English so maybe you can understand better…FK JEEM in his arse for this one.
Herbert is a literally next to meaningless hire for an NFL team. To a college team? Well he’s absolutely vital.
Jeem gains very little if next to nothing by bringing Herbert with him to the NFL. Michigan meanwhile takes a massive blow to the program with his loss.
Jeem could’ve hired Richard Simmons to be his S&C guy in the NFL and it wouldn’t have mattered. He could’ve hired literally anyone. That position just does not matter in the NFL.
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In college they are the most important coach on the roster, because they are taking 17-18 year old kids and reshaping their bodies into men.
they also spend the entire offseason with the kids (when the coaching staff isn't allowed)- huge part of the culture of the program
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they also spend the entire offseason with the kids (when the coaching staff isn't allowed)- huge part of the culture of the program
No doubt. Bc of dumbass NCAA rules the actual coaches don’t spend very much time you know, actually teaching football. S&C guy spends more time with them then actual coaches.
In the off-season literally zero of these NFL players are spending a second with the teams S&C guys. They all have their own trainers in Cali, Arizona, Texas, or Florida where they do their off-season training.
It’s fkn LAUGHABLE to think for a second that Herbert is going to physically develop Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Derwin James, or even the fkng kicker on the Chargers.
Jeem is a fkng prick for this one. Could’ve hired an assistant S&C guy from the Ravens and just been done with it.
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Could’ve hired an assistant S&C guy from Michigan
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I’ll put it more bluntly for you in plain English so maybe you can understand better…FK JEEM in his arse for this one.
Herbert is a literally next to meaningless hire for an NFL team. To a college team? Well he’s absolutely vital.
Jeem gains very little if next to nothing by bringing Herbert with him to the NFL. Michigan meanwhile takes a massive blow to the program with his loss.
Jeem could’ve hired Richard Simmons to be his S&C guy in the NFL and it wouldn’t have mattered. He could’ve hired literally anyone. That position just does not matter in the NFL.
Maybe Jim is loyal. Maybe he knows the impact Herbert had on culture and Herbert's dream is to bring his talent level to the NFL and help change the culture in a locker room. You don't know jack squat behind the reasoning and this move makes Harbaugh an a-hole? Your takes are seriously clown worthy.
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Jeem could’ve hired Richard Simmons to be his S&C guy in the NFL and it wouldn’t have mattered. He could’ve hired literally anyone. That position just does not matter in the NFL.
Now that'd be funny to watch the way he talks/moves/dresses leading exercising to guys in another life prolly rode with Attila or Ghengis. I agree though the S&C guy leaving could hurt.There has to be someone decent out there. I could lift shots and beers screaming insperation while the team is pulling Volkswagons and lifting half a telephone pole
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In related news, Pauly Shore is playing Richard Simmons in a new, unauthorized biopic. I'm sure this is going to go over well.
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Well so far they got the casting right
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Sherrone Moore promotes Justin Tress to S&C coach. Tress was Ben Herbet's #2 in command in the S&C program. Moore also hires Grant Newsome to OL coach. Newsome is a former Michigan LT who had a promising career before suffering a career ending injury vs Wisconsin in 2016. Newsome has been on the Michigan staff as a G/A and offensive line assistant coach since 2018, but didn't become a full-time positional coach until 2022 when he was hired by Jeem as the TE's coach. Jeem had Newsome lined up to go with him to the Minnesota Vikings when Jeem thought he was getting that job. Jeem was trying to get Newsome to go with him to the Chargers as well. Glad that Moore was able to keep Newsome on staff. He's a rising star.
Moore should process and cut Herbet's no-star nephew Zach Ludwig that Jeem offered a full-ride to in the '24 class. Portal is open for 30 days, Moore should tell Ludwig to beat it. Only made sense taking him to appease Herbert. Since Jeem gave the bird to Michigan by poaching Herbert, Moore needs to tell that kid to kick rocks and take the scholarship and use it on someone that can actually help in the portal.
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What's up with Mike Hart?
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What's up with Mike Hart?
Mike interviewed with Indiana a while back for the head coach opening. Nothing for certain other than that.
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What's up with Mike Hart?
nothing yet. there have been rumors that Sherrone Moore isn't going to hire him as OC, which likely means Mike Hart is leaving. Hart has his eyes set on moving up in the coaching ranks. He wants to be a HC some day. He isn't going to do that if he's getting passed over for the OC title at Michigan and remaining a RB's coach.
Mike Hart is a really good RB's coach imo, terrible recruiter however. He didn't land Blake Corum or Donovan Edwards, Corum was already here before Hart and Edwards was an in-state kid whose primary recruiter was none other than Sherrone Moore. Mike Hart was the RB's coach for a team he played for at an extremely high level as a player- a team that 3 years in a row were extremely run first and run-heavy, won 3 straight B1G 'chips, went to 3 straight playoffs and won a Natty and he recruited one big-time RB in that entire 3+ year time span- Jordan Marshall from Ohio. That's it. As the primary recruiter for other positions he was even worse....
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Mike Hart bleeds blue. Moore should keep him and make him OC and let him help with running backs.
If he fails, he fails. He'll get another RB coach job in a HARTbeat.
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Mike Hart bleeds blue. Moore should keep him and make him OC and let him help with running backs.
If he fails, he fails. He'll get another RB coach job in a HARTbeat.
Hart is good where he's at. If he doesn't like being the RB's coach, he can leave.
He's a lousy recruiter and he's not really known for being a whizz kid play caller. It's a risk to elevate him to OC and let him put together offensive game plans and call plays. He's never done it. And there's no real buzz or indication from inside the program that he's any good at any of that. Oh yeah and as mentioned many times before- he's a lousy recruiter.
If he doesn't like being the RB coach, he can kick rocks. They can and should do better at OC.
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Hart is good where he's at. If he doesn't like being the RB's coach, he can leave.
If what you have presented is accurate then I concur.Could be a big mistake moving to OC, Ed Warriner for instance. Went from ND-tOSU-Goophs- Mich. fabulous O-Line Coach best that I can recall got a lot of kids into the league while in C-Bus. And slapped together that '14 line that blocked for Zeke,many along the way were converted from other positions. But the move up just didn't pan out so if I'm Moore follow your gut. Bad move to cave into every popular pick or friend
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Mike Hart bleeds blue. Moore should keep him and make him OC and let him help with running backs.
If he fails, he fails. He'll get another RB coach job in a HARTbeat.
They absolutely cannot make him OC. I mean, I hope they do, but that's not his jam. I honestly think he'd be a better HC than OC. So his move might be to drop down and see if he can get an FCS head coaching job. Take a pay cut, but prove you can handle that, then come back to a MAC head coaching job
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They absolutely cannot make him OC. I mean, I hope they do, but that's not his jam. I honestly think he'd be a better HC than OC. So his move might be to drop down and see if he can get an FCS head coaching job. Take a pay cut, but prove you can handle that, then come back to a MAC head coaching job
Agreed.
Although I doubt how well he’d do as an HC of a major program. He hates recruiting and he’s not good at it. That’s kind of important for a college head coach- being able to recruit.
I think he’s a hell of a RB coach. And that’s probably his ceiling until he embraces recruiting and becomes at least above average at it. He’s terrible at it as is.
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Michigan DT Reece Atteberry to the portal. Atteberry came to Michigan in 2020 as an OL and was moved to DT this off-season where he was like 10th on the depth chart at the position.
He’ll probably go to a school where he has a chance of playing like Nebraska or Colorado or something.
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who runs a power spread with lot of designed QB runs and QB read options?
Cause that’s who I’d hire to be OC if I’m Sherrone Moore. Maybe Joe Moorehead or someone from the Urban Meyer or Chip Kelly tree.
Orji is a freak athlete built like a tank. Turn him into the black Tebow and run the shit out of him and Donovan Edwards, Kalel Mullings, Benjamin Hill, and Jordan Marshall.
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Agreed.
Although I doubt how well he’d do as an HC of a major program. He hates recruiting and he’s not good at it. That’s kind of important for a college head coach- being able to recruit.
I think he’s a hell of a RB coach. And that’s probably his ceiling until he embraces recruiting and becomes at least above average at it. He’s terrible at it as is.
I don't know. I think it's ok if you have a track record of success as a head coach. I've talked to him. He's uncomfortable in social situations. But he's not awkward, he's just shy. I think if you have a brand to sell, you can get by with shy. But at this point, if you are a high major OC, you have to be a play caller or a recruiter. He's currently neither.
Sherrone Moore was an OL. OL are like catchers in baseball. Those are the guys that absolutely have to understand the game, and why they make great coaches even without being great playcallers, because they have an elite understanding of everything. But he needs to nail his OC/DC hires, and I don't see an internal promotion that accomplishes that.
A guy I would kick the tires on for OC is Jim Zebrowski. He's been Lance Leipold's go to OC at multiple stops, including the last 3 years at Kansas. Kansas was #9 in the FBS in rushing yards per game, and #2 among P5 schools. They run an offense that I think would immediately work at Michigan. Clearly prioritizing running the ball, but also using the QB in the run game in select areas. Jason Bean averaged 4 carries per game, at 6.0 ypc, for 280 rushing yards. But they also had three different RBs averaging 6+ ypc on 45+ carries
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But at this point, if you are a high major OC, you have to be a play caller or a recruiter. He's currently neither.
What am I missing here? Why are multiple people saying he's not a good play caller? Where has he ever been a play caller?
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Nobody is saying he's a bad playcaller, just that he's never done it. And he's a proven bad recruiter. You can let a good recruiter learn on the fly, but if you learn Hart is neither, that sets Michigan back
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Nobody is saying he's a bad playcaller, just that he's never done it. And he's a proven bad recruiter. You can let a good recruiter learn on the fly, but if you learn Hart is neither, that sets Michigan back
exactly this. he's never done it before PLUS he's a poor recruiter. which means there's no reason to hire him. now if he was like just an unreal whale of a kick ass ace recruiter like say OSU's Brian Hartline- then by all means- let him give it a go and try to learn on the job. but....he's not. he sucks at recruiting. there is literally no reason to hire him and no way in hell Sherrone Moore can make that move if he wants to be set up for success.
Kirk Campbell would be the guy to get promoted if they were going in-house. Campbell has previous OC/play-calling experience at two previous jobs, he's a very good recruiter, and he's been heavily involved in game-planning the passing game and pass play-calling at Michigan. Hart has literally none of this going for him. He's never been an OC or play caller. He's a terrible recruiter. And he wasn't involved in the game-planning/play-calling to anywhere near the same degree as Campbell has been in his time at Michigan.
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per Pro Football Talk, LA Chargers gave Jeem a $16 million per year deal base salary. no doubt there are likely incentives to potentially push that figure even higher for winning AFC West, making AFC Chip, Super Bowl, etc., etc..
A cool $3.5 million more per year than Michigan was offering Jeem.
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and now he has an off-season to spend some of it
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and now he has an off-season to spend some of it
yup. being a college coach SUCKS hard right now. non-stop year round recruiting of snot nosed high school kids and now you have to deal with NIL/Portal bullshit and do appearances and help NIL collectives fund-raise and re-recruit kids on your roster to keep them happy and not hitting the portal- and then have to recruit in the portal to find kids that can plug holes here and there. not to mention you have the NCAA breathing down your neck over cheeseburgers and other stupid random bullshit. direction this is all going with realignment/NIL/portal is a large part why Saban said PEACE out and decided to retire rather than keep going at it.
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yup. being a college coach SUCKS hard right now. non-stop year round recruiting of snot nosed high school kids and now you have to deal with NIL/Portal bullshit and do appearances and help NIL collectives fund-raise and re-recruit kids
Well at least Jeem could have raffled off his booger caked ballcap to help raise NIL Funds in Ann Arbor
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Well at least Jeem could have raffled off his booger caked ballcap to help raise NIL Funds in Ann Arbor
he's no longer a university employee. as far as I know he can donate to Michigan NIL collectives all he wants. would be pretty baller if he decided to donate a cool $1 mil. believe that CJ Stroud just donated $1 mil to an OSU NIL collective.
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Sherrone Moore had been going after Jim Leonhard and Ravens staffer Zach Orr to be his DC's apparently. Ravens promoted Orr to DC and sounds like Leonhard has told Moore no and that he's looking for an NFL job. Not great. Moore was also going after an ND staffer apparently to be his new recruiting co-ordinator and the guy is staying at ND as well.
Moore hasn't made any official hires outside of promoting TE's coach Grant Newsome to OL coach and assistant S&C coach Justin Tress to head S&C coach. Dude needs to solidify his staff here ASAP and hit the 'crootin' trail hard.
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Leonhard turned down Bama and the Green Bay Packers. And countless others.
He's staying in Madison until his kids are grown, in my view.
He's an analyst for Bert right now, and mostly works from home. He was not a recruiter while DC at Wisconsin. He loves his family. He's only 41. If he stays in the game while working as an analyst, he'll be in demand in 6-7 years when he's ready.
And even then, it's probably NFL. Recruiting is just not him.
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Michigan expected to promote QB's coach Kirk Campbell to OC. Don't hate it, but not sure I love it. He's been an OC at two previous stops before at the small ball levels, and JJ McCarthy had been raving about the guy all off-season. He is young and energetic and has a great rep on the trail as a recruiter. He pretty much single-handedly revived Michigan's chances in the Bryce Underwood recruitment and made it a real battle- and that one was DOA/non-existent under former QB's coach Matt Weiss.
I think he should do well, but still think they should've went after a big fish like Joe Moorhead or Dan Mullen and tried to run that power spread offense with Alex Orji those two are known for.
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https://twitter.com/JordanStrack/status/1754895580474622331?s=20
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sounds like Jeem is poaching DL coach Mike Elston and bringing him to the Chargers. That's a blow. Elston is OK as a recruiter, not great, but not terrible. Adequate recruiter, but he's a phenomenal DL coach. Best DL coach that Jeem has had at Michigan by far.
Man this one stings. Jeem can eat a bag of d*cks right now. He's officially on my sh*t list.
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sounds like Jeem is poaching DL coach Mike Elston and bringing him to the Chargers. That's a blow.
Ya, bad break, though many of the asst.coaches want to get away from CFB and the carnival it's become.Money is still good there but why deal with negotiating continuously with basically kids. They have one foot seemingly out the door - all off season long - like a harbor town whore looking for another sailor. When in the LEAGUE the Front Office procures the talent and deals with the $$$$ ass ache
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He's officially on my sh*t list.
When has this not been the case?
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DBs coach Steve Clinkscale has turned Jeem down and will be staying at Michigan. That’s huge news for Sherrone Moore and the program. Clinkscale is a solid recruiter and an elite DBs coach.
Suck it Jeem!
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Moore apparently zeroing on Wink Martindale to be his DC. Longtime Ravens assistant and DC who McDonald & Minter worked for and took that defensive system from.
Makes sense to get someone who runs that scheme. However Martindale is old and has basically been an NFL coach his entire career…who knows if he’ll be able to recruit at all…and at that age if he even wants to.
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Sounds like they are talking with Greg Scruggs - Wisconsin DL coach.
That would not make me happy.
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Moore apparently zeroing on Wink Martindale to be his DC. Longtime Ravens assistant and DC who McDonald & Minter worked for and took that defensive system from.
Makes sense to get someone who runs that scheme. However Martindale is old and has basically been an NFL coach his entire career…who knows if he’ll be able to recruit at all…and at that age if he even wants to.
Schefter makes it seem like nearly a done deal
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Schefter makes it seem like nearly a done deal
well he’s about as plugged into NFL circles as it gets and he’s a Michigan guy- so if he’s saying it, probably has some legs to it.
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Sounds like they are talking with Greg Scruggs - Wisconsin DL coach.
That would not make me happy.
That’d be a nice hire. Young energetic guy with lot of upside as a coach.
Moore kept Clinkscale from bolting to the NFL, if he can pull of Martindale and Scruggs, that’s not too shabby. Still have to find a LBs coach.
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DBs coach Steve Clinkscale has turned Jeem down and will be staying at Michigan. That’s huge news for Sherrone Moore and the program. Clinkscale is a solid recruiter and an elite DBs coach.
Suck it Jeem!
https://twitter.com/RealTonyGarcia/status/1756332442204385752?s=20
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Michigan insiders showing their knowledge again. Just wait until Harbaugh signs that contract
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https://twitter.com/RealTonyGarcia/status/1756332442204385752?s=20
he just told the entire team he wasn't going anywhere two days ago. LOL.
Jeem is such a cumstain. He can go hire anybody. When Urban left Ohio State he left that staff intact. Jeem is gutting Michigan's entire staff.
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https://twitter.com/internetraj/status/1756362643315786209
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https://twitter.com/internetraj/status/1756362643315786209
😂😂😂
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https://twitter.com/internetraj/status/1756362643315786209
now that's funny...lmao
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Steve Casula hired to be TE's coach. 36 years old, was an analyst from 2019-2021 at Michigan, so familiar with Moore and the program. He's been a TE coach at a bunch of stops previously and an OC twice at Davenport and UMass. Seems like a solid enough hire. Offensive staff should be set.
Defensive staff on the other hand has been completely ravaged by the asshole CTE autistic weirdo known as Jeem. Elston & Clinkscale were about as good as it gets for a DL and DB coach.
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https://twitter.com/RealTonyGarcia/status/1756332442204385752?s=20
(https://www.gstatic.com/tenor/img/tenor-logo.svg) (https://tenor.com/view/dude-what-kind-of-sick-joke-is-that-kyle-broflovski-stan-marsh-south-park-s2e12-gif-21551262)
(https://c.tenor.com/TJmjIrHq8LIAAAAC/tenor.gif) (https://itunes.apple.com/app/apple-store/id917932200?pt=39040802&ct=Media1GIFV2&mt=8)
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Michigan to hire Wisconsin's DL coach for same role:
https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/wisconsin-badgers-football/2024/2/11/24070228/breaking-wisconsin-badgers-dl-coach-greg-scruggs-join-michigan-wolverines-same-role-sherrone-moore (https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/wisconsin-badgers-football/2024/2/11/24070228/breaking-wisconsin-badgers-dl-coach-greg-scruggs-join-michigan-wolverines-same-role-sherrone-moore)
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F*ck Michigan.
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Well, it's done and now I can officially go back to hating Michigan again.
Michigan reportedly finds new defensive line coach within the Big Ten - Footballscoop (https://footballscoop.com/news/michigan-reportedly-finds-new-defensive-line-coach-within-the-big-ten)
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Well, it's done and now I can officially go back to hating Michigan again.
Michigan reportedly finds new defensive line coach within the Big Ten - Footballscoop (https://footballscoop.com/news/michigan-reportedly-finds-new-defensive-line-coach-within-the-big-ten)
coaching staffs get raided....it's what happens. Ohio State took Al Washington and Greg Mattison from Michigan. Jeem just took Michigan's entire defensive staff with him to the Chargers. Sh*t happens.
In other news, 2024 enrollee 4* LB Jaden Smith asks to be released from his NLI, as not a single coach who recruited him is at Michigan anymore as Chris Partrdige, Jim Harbaugh, Jesse Minter, Jay Harbaugh, and Mike Elston are all gone.
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in honor of Jeem's 9 years at Michigan, the All-Harbaugh team....
2015-2023:
QB: JJ McCarthy - not close, the QB's largely meh outside of him. Backup probably Jake Rudock or Shea Patterson.
RB: Blake Corum (Donovan Edwards)
WR: Nico Collins (Amara Darboh)
WR: Roman Wilson (Donovan Peoples-Jones)
WR: Jehu Chesson (Cornelius Johnson)
TE: Jake Butt (Colston Loveland)
T: Mason Cole (Jon Runyan Jr)
G: Ben Bredeson (Trevor Keegan)
C: Cesar Ruiz (Olu Oluwatimi)
G: Zak Zinter (Mike Onwenu)
T: Jalen Mayfield (Andrew Steuber)
EDGE: Aidan Hutchinson (Kwity Paye)
EDGE: Rashan Gary (Taco Charlton)
DT: Mason Graham (Kris Jenkins)
NT: Mazi Smith (Kenneth Grant)
LB: Devin Bush (Khaleke Hudson)
LB: Junior Colson (Josh Uche)
CB: Will Johnson (David Long)
CB: Jourdan Lewis (Ambry Thomas)
Nickel: Mikey Sainistril (LaVert Hill)
S: Dax Hill (Makari Paige)
S: Rod Moore (Jabrill Peppers)
At QB it's basically JJ and a bunch of mid QB's- that's it. Interior OL's were fantastic, tackles were OK, but nothing to write home about. Would've expected better. Been a very long time since they've had anyone close to Jake Long or Taylor Lewan walk through those doors at tackle. TE's, great. RB's, great. WR's good enough to win with but obviously nothing special or remotely like OSU/BAMA/LSU/Washington have had in that time span.
EDGE/DT's were terrific. LB really solid. CB/Nickel/S - really good. Jeem really didn't recruit/develop QB, Tackle, or WR at a high level. WR makes sense- would've expected more out of QB and Tackle. All the other positions- and especially on defense-Jeem did pretty damn good at.
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RS Soph Safety Keon Sabb to the portal. That's a HUGE blow. Starters Rod Moore and Makari Paige return, but Sabb got a ton of playing time as a RS Frosh because he was too good to keep off the field, and he was basically going to be a co-starter or possibly even a starter at nickel this year for Michigan.
He's a day one plug and play high level starter for any contender needing a safety. More physically talented than Rod Moore and Makari Paige, was just not as seasoned or experienced.
F*CK.
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Sherrone Moore fills out his defensive coaching staff.
Wink Martindale from the NFL is the new DC, Greg Scruggs from Wisconsin is the new DL coach, Brian Jean-Mary from Tennessee is the LB's coach, and LaMar Morgan the DC from Louisiana is going to be the DBs coach.
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I've seen nothing official on Scruggs, anywhere.
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They also reported they had hired the Houston safeties coach as their DB coach, and it turned out he said no. Clinkscale was returning, except he wouldn't.
I wouldn't believe anything the Michigan Rivals/247/On3 slappy media reports at this point.
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They also reported they had hired the Houston safeties coach as their DB coach, and it turned out he said no. Clinkscale was returning, except he wouldn't.
I wouldn't believe anything the Michigan Rivals/247/On3 slappy media reports at this point.
yeah they have a lot of egg on the face right now. Clinkscale did tell the entire team he was returning. And then two days later he took a job offer from Jeem. So, yeah.
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I don't trust the MSU slappy media for anything other than visitor lists
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It takes much resolve and determination to unearth those gems
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I guess Michigan QB Jack Tuttle got his 7th year of eligibility.
https://www.si.com/college/michigan/football/michigan-football-jack-tuttle-sherrone-moore-wolverines-quarterback-starter (https://www.si.com/college/michigan/football/michigan-football-jack-tuttle-sherrone-moore-wolverines-quarterback-starter)
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if he's the starter Michigan is in some trouble this year....to me it's gotta be Alex Orji, Jaydn Davis, or the Denegal kid. I'd probably have them in that order of likelihood to start.
also: Keon Sabb transfers to Bama. Makari Paige should've went pro. Damnit.
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I'm thinking it'll be Tuttle as #1 and maybe Orji and Warren as #2/3. Orji needs to improves his passing game, Davis is a true freshman, and Denegal hasn't shown anything yet. And Michigan might still find a QB in the portal.
Good luck to Sabb. Michigan will be fine at safety.
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I'm thinking it'll be Tuttle as #1 and maybe Orji and Warren as #2/3. Orji needs to improves his passing game, Davis is a true freshman, and Denegal hasn't shown anything yet. And Michigan might still find a QB in the portal.
Good luck to Sabb. Michigan will be fine at safety.
Warren is a walk-on, he isn't going to be in the top 3, and Tuttle is not talented enough to be a starting QB anywhere let alone Michigan. Michigan is like 6-6 or 7-5 and has MAJOR problems if either one of them are starting.
Yeah, Michigan will be more than fine at safety. Rod Moore and Makari Paige are excellent players. That's a hell of a safety combo. But Sabb was always going to be 3 and done off to the NFL no matter what. He wanted to be a starter and once Paige came back well, crowded room. Paige might've been better than Sabb in 2023, he was a lot more experienced. Sabb was only a RS Frosh. My guess is Sabb is going to make a significant jump in year 2 playing and be a better player than Paige now. Paige was a draft-able NFL safety, had he left and gone to the draft, Sabb isn't leaving.
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Michigan DL coach Scruggs can recruit.
https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/2/27/24080867/michigan-football-recruiting-roundup-greg-scruggs-nathaniel-matshall-jaylen-williams-xavier-newsom (https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/2/27/24080867/michigan-football-recruiting-roundup-greg-scruggs-nathaniel-matshall-jaylen-williams-xavier-newsom)
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Michigan DL coach Scruggs can recruit.
https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/2/27/24080867/michigan-football-recruiting-roundup-greg-scruggs-nathaniel-matshall-jaylen-williams-xavier-newsom (https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/2/27/24080867/michigan-football-recruiting-roundup-greg-scruggs-nathaniel-matshall-jaylen-williams-xavier-newsom)
This we know. Now is the time to see if he can develop. He's got a ton more to work with in Ann Arbor than he did in Madison.
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This we know. Now is the time to see if he can develop. He's got a ton more to work with in Ann Arbor than he did in Madison.
yeah, Elston’s recruiting was never crazy but the development of those DTs and EDGE players under him was elite.
Michigan has a ton to work with up front in 2024. Kris Jenkins will be a loss at DT but they’re returning Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, and Rayshaun Benny and Trey Pierce was a youngster turning heads as a true frosh. They should be awesome at DT.
At EDGE they lose Jaylen Harrell who was a multi-year starter who put a lot of good stuff on tape- him leaving makes sense. They also lose Braiden McGregor- who probably should’ve returned imo- but they’re returning two really good EDGE players in the portal kid Josiah Stewart who had some big moments in his first year with the team and a very talented Derrick Moore who was a big-time top 50 overall recruit and is primed for a big year going into his true jr season and being a full-time starter instead of splitting reps with McGregor as basically a co-starter.
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NIL is out of control
(https://i.imgur.com/MFb6VmI.png)
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What does that mean?
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Presumably that even though his stats aren't gaudy, he's going to sell himself to teams as a winner
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Presumably that even though his stats aren't gaudy, he's going to sell himself to teams as a winner
that's exactly what he's trying to sell. that he is a winner, and that's all he cares about...winning...not stats. in his defense he did go 27-1 as a starter and was a major contributor for 3 straight CFP teams, starter for 2, and won a natty.
JJ was on a run first team, his efficiency #'s are very good but he was never going to put up huge stats because: Jeem don't throw the ball and there were a bunch of games the last two seasons where JJ barely played the 2nd half.
JJ not throwing the ball all over the lot and putting up gaudy stats doesn't mean he's not capable of doing so. Just wasn't asked to do it- and that's not how Jeem plays ball.
JJ will interview really well, measure in at a good size for the position in the NFL, and he'll test through the roof athletically and he'll wow with his arm talent and he'll probably wind up getting drafted in the top 10, even though he probably shouldn't imo.
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https://scarletandgame.com/posts/ohio-state-fans-sound-off-on-video-of-ttun-baseball-player-getting-caught-cheating-01hqvpr0xvr7
It is in their blood, if you are not cheating you are not a Michigan "man".
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REPORT: Mike Hart Is Done At Michigan (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/report-mike-hart-is-done-at-michigan/ar-BB1jzZoJ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=7af892549e66431a81a13a7d10953493&ei=14)
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REPORT: Mike Hart Is Done At Michigan (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/report-mike-hart-is-done-at-michigan/ar-BB1jzZoJ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=7af892549e66431a81a13a7d10953493&ei=14)
this was hinted at by "insiders" like a month ago. Hart wants to be an OC and eventually a head coach. He got passed over at Michigan for OC and wasn't under consideration to be the head coach- it was only ever going to be Sherrone Moore and that's it.
Feel like he's a heckuva RB coach but he is bad at recruiting. Not sure he's going to be a successful head coach anywhere because: he stinks at recruiting.
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Michigan is trying to hire the Buckeyes RB coach?
https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-michigan-targeting-ohio-states-tony-alford (https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-michigan-targeting-ohio-states-tony-alford)
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maybe Alford figured, hey can't beat em, might as well join em.
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Running back definitely where Michigan needs to catch up with OSU
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Makes sense. Good coach and good pick up for UM.
His was the only contract not extended so not super surprising with Kelly in town and his fingerprints all over the run scheme.
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Good recruiter?
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Good recruiter?
I’d say he’s a very good recruiter. And it looks like it’s official now.
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Running back definitely where Michigan needs to catch up with OSU
here i was this whole time thinking it was WR where Michigan needs to catch up with OSU
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Makes sense. Good coach and good pick up for UM.
His was the only contract not extended so not super surprising with Kelly in town and his fingerprints all over the run scheme.
yeah, with Kelly coming in there was always bound to be a little shake up, and I feel like Hartline is probably the only untouchable on that offensive staff. Hartline's recruiting and track record is irreplaceable.
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Good recruiter?
think he's viewed as pretty good. nothing like hartline a'course.
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yeah, with Kelly coming in there was always bound to be a little shake up, and I feel like Hartline is probably the only untouchable on that offensive staff. Hartline's recruiting and track record is irreplaceable.
Does anyone think Hartline is a little pissy about not getting a shot as OC?
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think he's viewed as pretty good. nothing like hartline a'course.
Accurate
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Does anyone think Hartline is a little pissy about not getting a shot as OC?
That is a really great- and often asked question.
Last season Day was going to get him more involved in game planning and play calling. From what can be seen, and what has been said, that did not happen nearly to the degree that it was likely supposed to.
this year obviously, he’s going all in by giving the playcalling to Chip Kelly. I strongly suspect Hotline will be heavily involved in game planning as well. He is very well compensated and likes it there, but clearly has ambitions to be an offensive coordinator and I think they are trying to prepare him for that.
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I'd take him in Madison in a heartbeat.
And there is a Fickell connection too.
:)
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I'd take him in Madison in a heartbeat.
And there is a Fickell connection too.
:)
we have no idea yet if Hartline can be an effective OC or play caller. I SUSPECT he would be pretty good at it, seeing as how he's a former NFL player who made it far on his knowledge of the game and not being 6'4, 210 pounds, running a 4.25 and having a 45" vertical like a Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones. Feel like the former players who are athletic freaks and just flat out better than everyone don't translate that well to coaching but the guys who really had to hone the craft are the ones that can really coach.
Hartline as a recruiter alone is worth taking the chance on and giving an OC job to imo.
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Agree 100 percent. I'm not sold on Longo yet, and I don't think Fick is either.
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Maybe Alford just wanted to party more
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2024/03/16/police-michigan-defensive-line-coach-greg-scruggs-arrested-for-owi/72998969007/
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I remember Jeem got one before AA then hired an asst AD or some such who pulled the same thing - must be a prerequisite
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This is now Scruggs' third DUI. Not good.
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that's a felony in Iowa
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Well, if he can't drive, he can't do what he was hired to do - RECRUIT.
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I'm thinking he's done at Michigan.
(https://i.imgur.com/PfMlUwB.png)
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I have no idea what they'll do with Scruggs. Michigan has fired a head football coach for less.
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This is now Scruggs' third DUI. Not good.
I knew a guy like that - he was our designated driver
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Felony Drunk Driving - OWI 3rd Offense
A third offense for drunk driving under Michigan law, regardless of the number of years, is a felony that generally carries either 1 to 5 years in prison or 30 days to a year in a county jail. As set forth in MCL 257.625:
If the violation occurs after 2 or more prior convictions, regardless of the number of years that have elapsed since any prior conviction, the person is guilty of a felony and shall be sentenced to pay a fine of not less than $500.00 or more than $5,000.00 and to either of the following:
(i) Imprisonment under the jurisdiction of the department of corrections for not less than 1 year or more than 5 years.
(ii) Probation with imprisonment in the county jail for not less than 30 days or more than 1 year and community service for not less than 60 days or more than 180 days. Not less than 48 hours of the imprisonment imposed under this subparagraph shall be served consecutively.
(d) A term of imprisonment imposed under subdivision (b) or (c) shall not be suspended.
(e) In the judgment of sentence under subdivision (a), the court may order vehicle immobilization as provided in section 904d. In the judgment of sentence under subdivision (b) or (c), the court shall, unless the vehicle is ordered forfeited under section 625n, order vehicle immobilization as provided in section 904d.
(f) In the judgment of sentence under subdivision (b) or (c), the court may impose the sanction permitted under section 625n.
It has been seven years since the provisions of "Heidi's Law" were signed into law, where Michigan uncapped the 10 year look back period for felony enhancement.
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Ouch! So absolute minimum would be a $500 fine, 30 days or fifteen 48 hr. weekends in the Washtenaw County slammer, and 60 days picking up trash. Welcome to Michigan.
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I'm starting to think he never coaches at Michigan.
I'm also thinking that Bert is a little nervous about losing his DL coach now.
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Ouch! So absolute minimum would be a $500 fine, 30 days or fifteen 48 hr. weekends in the Washtenaw County slammer, and 60 days picking up trash. Welcome to Michigan.
30 days in the hole - great tune by Humble Pie
https://youtu.be/cLTZavs4WAo
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Scruggs resigned.
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He blew a 0.16. Double the limit. Ouch.
Hopefully he can get his act together.
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no excuse to drive drunk these days with Uber and Lyft apps. come on man. you've been making 6 figures coaching for several years now. you can afford a $40 or $50 dollar uber ride...
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former 4* WR from the great state of Alabama, Karmello English (5'11, 190 lbs.) the #189 player overall in the 2023 247Composite rankings to the portal.
WR might be the thinnest position on the team right now....have to hit the spring portal for one or two.
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no excuse to drive drunk these days with Uber and Lyft apps. come on man. you've been making 6 figures coaching for several years now. you can afford a $40 or $50 dollar uber ride...
Exactly.
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no excuse to drive drunk these days with Uber and Lyft apps. come on man. you've been making 6 figures coaching for several years now. you can afford a $40 or $50 dollar uber ride...
Or hitch hike - with their coin today guys could call a limo
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Michigan spring game going to be nationally televised on Fox with Joel Klatt. Apparently so will Ohio State's.
Do we really need this?
https://sports.yahoo.com/michigan-football-spring-game-broadcast-160053021.html
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apparently, it brings better ratings than the alternatives
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no excuse to drive drunk these days with Uber and Lyft apps. come on man. you've been making 6 figures coaching for several years now. you can afford a $40 or $50 dollar uber ride...
Former Texas baseball coaching legend Augie Garrido was a notorious boozer, he really loved his wine. He got busted for DUI one time, and after that the University simply provided him a personal car and driver at his disposal, at all times. It was never an issue again.
This was before Uber and Lyft, but hired cars are still a thing even today, and all things considered are much cheaper than the alternatives.
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Former Texas baseball coaching legend Augie Garrido was a notorious boozer, he really loved his wine. He got busted for DUI one time, and after that the University simply provided him a personal car and driver at his disposal, at all times. It was never an issue again.
This was before Uber and Lyft, but hired cars are still a thing even today, and all things considered are much cheaper than the alternatives.
WVU gave Huggy Bear a free suite in the University hotel with access to the bar at all hours, even when closed. Plus a car, driver, and private plane. He could throw away every set of keys he owned. I actually know a former pilot who flew him on a recruiting trip to Cincinnati. All he asked for was a fifth of vodka for each direction of the flight. That's MAYBE a 45 minute flight. He finished both.
And yet he got fired after crashing a car drunk in Pittsburgh last year, after driving drunk in the wrong direction, for about 45 miles, getting lost in Pittsburgh, during a Taylor Swift concert, so downtown was packed. Some people, you just can't reason with
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Yeah he sounds dumb.
Augie was pretty smart. He accepted the car, and it was never an issue again.
I suppose he also had access to airplanes. After he won Texas a second national championship, I imagine Texas billionaire Red McCombs let him fly wherever he wanted.
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WVU gave Huggy Bear a free suite in the University hotel with access to the bar at all hours, even when closed. Plus a car, driver, and private plane. He could throw away every set of keys he owned. I actually know a former pilot who flew him on a recruiting trip to Cincinnati. All he asked for was a fifth of vodka for each direction of the flight. That's MAYBE a 45 minute flight. He finished both.
And yet he got fired after crashing a car drunk in Pittsburgh last year, after driving drunk in the wrong direction, for about 45 miles, getting lost in Pittsburgh, during a Taylor Swift concert, so downtown was packed. Some people, you just can't reason with
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=452XjnaHr1A
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Michigan safety Rod Moore apparently tore his ACL in practice. F#%K!
Kid is one of the best returning safeties in all of college football and is a stud, would've probably been a 2nd or 3rd pick had he come out in this draft. Hindsight is 20/20, but he probably should've left and went pro and got into his NFL contract money making years now.
Keon Sabb hitting the portal because he wanted a starting job freaking hurts like hell right now. God damnit. Losing Moore for the year to an ACL would've been softened by having Keon Sabb ready to plug and play and start at a high level. Not having both of these guys in 2024 is downright disastrous.
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Michigan safety Rod Moore apparently tore his ACL in practice. F#%K!
Kid is one of the best returning safeties in all of college football and is a stud, would've probably been a 2nd or 3rd pick had he come out in this draft. Hindsight is 20/20, but he probably should've left and went pro and got into his NFL contract money making years now.
Keon Sabb hitting the portal because he wanted a starting job freaking hurts like hell right now. God damnit. Losing Moore for the year to an ACL would've been softened by having Keon Sabb ready to plug and play and start at a high level. Not having both of these guys in 2024 is downright disastrous.
That one stings. A moment to soak in everything that was this past season because it's a rarity to experience it and a rarity it will happen again any time soon.
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rumor mill is that Rod Moore might've torn both ACL's in practice. Jesus. Kid came back from a nasty ACL tear in HS. He could be looking at 3 ACL's before he ever touches the pros. Could kill his draft stock.
He really should've went pro and not come back for his SR year. My advice to any kid that is a potential 1st, 2nd, or 3rd rd pick....go to the NFL...get your money. Don't wait.
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Will Johnson talked about his NIL deals, and confirmed he's one of the athletes with an additional EA Sports deal with the upcoming game. Also it appears that Michigan got its total NIL package together after apparently being behind a couple years ago. Not necessarily in total dollars, but in terms of organization
Michigan lost only five scholarship players to the transfer portal since coach Jim Harbaugh departed the program in late January. The Wolverines also saw key players return for another season instead of heading to the NFL Draft, including senior running back Donovan Edwards, senior safety Rod Moore, graduate safety Makari Paige and others.
Johnson credited the Champions Circle collective for much of the player retention.
“Every year, it’s evolved,” Johnson said of Michigan’s NIL platform since he arrived in Ann Arbor. “They’re working with us to get guys in the transfer portal, and the guys that came back for another year.
“The collective has done a great job of putting their all into making it what it is now, and I think they’ve done a great job so far, so I’m excited to see where it’s going. It was very important. We needed to keep that core group together – a lot of the guys that had experience on this team last year, especially in the secondary. I think that was the main reason we were able to do that, and I think it’s going to be big for later in this offseason, too.”
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That’s how NIL should be used. NIL should be used for proven players on the team or going after proven guys in the portal.
Inducement for recruiting HS kids who haven’t proven anything just seems like a bad idea all around.
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That’s how NIL should be used. NIL should be used for proven players on the team or going after proven guys in the portal.
Inducement for recruiting HS kids who haven’t proven anything just seems like a bad idea all around.
Yeah, but if you don't do it, and your rivals do, guess how many top HS kids are going to be coming to your school? :57:
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That’s how NIL should be used. NIL should be used for proven players on the team or going after proven guys in the portal.
Inducement for recruiting HS kids who haven’t proven anything just seems like a bad idea all around.
You act like Texas A&M didn't just play in the Texas Bowl last year
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Also, some reports were that UM's NIL payroll over over $8 million last year, mostly to retain existing talent.
This has to be the move for helmet schools. Get them in the door with the status, THEN pay them once they earn it.
Harbaugh did a good job identifying talent, so it remains to be seen how much they have to dedicate to the portal. They didn't overly rely on it. That center from Virginia is the one major outlier. Obviously non-helmet schools have to pay guys to get them, then pay them more to retain them. That's where putting the one year sit out rule back in would help reel some of this back in
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Also, some reports were that UM's NIL payroll over over $8 million last year, mostly to retain existing talent.
This has to be the move for helmet schools. Get them in the door with the status, THEN pay them once they earn it.
Harbaugh did a good job identifying talent, so it remains to be seen how much they have to dedicate to the portal. They didn't overly rely on it. That center from Virginia is the one major outlier. Obviously non-helmet schools have to pay guys to get them, then pay them more to retain them. That's where putting the one year sit out rule back in would help reel some of this back in
Seems to me that CFB has to take the same idea to what they do as the NFL.
- CFB programs need to get cheaper HS talent the same way NFL teams have to maximize their draft. This is the pipeline.
- CFB programs need to manage NIL/transfers the same way NFL teams have to manage free agency. Players looking to move are going to be expensive.
Keeping a recruited player who pans out happy is probably cheaper than attracting a proven transfer. So you can't just skip out on HS recruiting.
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Seems to me that CFB has to take the same idea to what they do as the NFL.
- CFB programs need to get cheaper HS talent the same way NFL teams have to maximize their draft. This is the pipeline.
- CFB programs need to manage NIL/transfers the same way NFL teams have to manage free agency. Players looking to move are going to be expensive.
Keeping a recruited player who pans out happy is probably cheaper than attracting a proven transfer. So you can't just skip out on HS recruiting.
Close, but MLB, where the resources aren't equal
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You act like Texas A&M didn't just play in the Texas Bowl last year
:D
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Michigan's Spring game will televised on Fox at noon this Saturday.
Go Blue!
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Michigan's Spring game will televised on Fox at noon this Saturday.
Go Blue!
They put on a pretty big production for the OSU game, and I imagine this will be similar.
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Michigan's Spring game will televised on Fox at noon this Saturday.
Go Blue!
80,012 attendance for the OSU Spring Game, it was a blast for me to take my family to. Hope TTUN posters here can enjoy their spring sping game up there.
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I am interested to see the ratings on these. I thought it was crazy when BTN started airing them, but now FOX? It's a fun event to attend, particularly with the weather we had this past weekend. But to watch on tv? Particularly not your own team?
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I am interested to see the ratings on these. I thought it was crazy when BTN started airing them, but now FOX? It's a fun event to attend, particularly with the weather we had this past weekend. But to watch on tv? Particularly not your own team?
I dunno if I will watch the Michigan spring game, but I'm more interested in it than the USFL
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from 22..........
144k TV viewers watched the Nebraska Spring Game on BTN.
That's good for the 126th most watched TV show on Cable on Saturday and the only Spring Game to register in the ratings.
9:47 AM · Apr 12, 2022
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Michigan staffer Denard Robinson was arrested Monday morning, according to M Live’s Aaron McMann. He was involved in a car crash while intoxicated.
“Michigan staffer Denard Robinson was arrested early this morning in Ann Arbor for operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated,” McMann wrote on Twitter. “Police spokesman tells (M Live) Robinson, the team’s assistant director of player personnel, was involved in a single-vehicle crash at 3:05 a.m.”
Robinson, a former quarterback for the Wolverines from 2009-12, joined Michigan in 2022 as the assistant director of player personnel.
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Sticking with staff policy evidently
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NCAA announces approved agreement with Michigan over NCAA recruiting violations (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/article/ncaa-announces-approved-agreement-with-michigan-over-ncaa-recruiting-violations-230517272/?~=1&fbclid=IwAR1Q-EKV0iCK_no133zKSnJa_BrG4vmvuBNdN8zFwDJKBzZp_3arKu-leSk)
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NCAA announces approved agreement with Michigan over NCAA recruiting violations (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/article/ncaa-announces-approved-agreement-with-michigan-over-ncaa-recruiting-violations-230517272/?~=1&fbclid=IwAR1Q-EKV0iCK_no133zKSnJa_BrG4vmvuBNdN8zFwDJKBzZp_3arKu-leSk)
seems like a slap on the wrist, now we'll just have to wait another 4 years to found out what they do about Connor Stallions.
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I expected a slap
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So did the rest of the planet.
Eastern Michigan better look out.
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The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they're going to give Cleveland State another year of probation - Jerry Tarkanian.
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So did the rest of the planet.
Eastern Michigan better look out.
cincy would sign off
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watched the spring game. can’t take much away from these things as usual. Alex Orji is probably going to be the guy at QB but the former walk-on Davis Warren surprised.
DJ Waller looked really good at CB, which shouldn’t surprise as he got a lot of run last year as a true frosh. I thought Jyaire Hill, Jaden McBurrows, and Zeke Berry all looked the part as well. Losing FS Rod Moore to injury was a crushing blow, but Michigan should have a really good secondary again. There’s some nice young talent and Will Johnson at CB and Makari Paige at SS are great building blocks.
The defense should be excellent again. Offense- who knows and I am interested to see what it looks like. Orji doing read options either pulling it or handing it to Donovan Edwards could result in some explosive rushing plays. Passing attack probably going to be not fun to watch however. Orji doesn’t look the crispest throwing the ball and the WR talent is pretty bare. Great TE group though…
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I'm not so sure Orji is the guy, he needs to improve his passing game greatly. Maybe it'll be Tuttle but I'm thinking it'll be Warren unless they pick up a phenom in the portal.
Orji reminds me of Michigan Milton
Tuttle reminds me of O'Korn
Warren is like a McNamara Lite.
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Nick Evers is available.
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true soph CB DJ Waller to the transfer portal as well as true frosh LB Jeremiah Beasley.
Neither one makes much sense to me. Oh well. Waller was in a serious battle with Jyaire Hill to be CB2 opposite star Will Johnson. He was the 3rd CB at worst, makes no sense to leave unless he feels he's a gauranteed starter somewhere else. Jeremiah Beasley wasn't in contention to play this year, he was almost certainly a redshirt- and that one kind of make you scratch your head.
Beasley is an unknown, but Waller I think has a nice ceiling and could be a real player for someone this year, and he's really shown flashes as a true frosh and in the spring of being a player- and he's nearly 6'3 and can still move well enough to play CB- which is a rarity.
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Can't believe Donovan Edwards didn't declare for the Draft. Reminds me of Cardale Jones after a great 3 game run and the NC. But he came back as a Senior - kudos but that's passing up some coin but he did get his diploma after declaring he didn't come to play school
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Can't believe Donovan Edwards didn't declare for the Draft. Reminds me of Cardale Jones after a great 3 game run and the NC. But he came back as a Senior - kudos but that's passing up some coin but he did get his diploma after declaring he didn't come to play school
he didn't have the kind of season he wanted in 2023 despite having a nice run in the playoffs. I think he was planning on being "the guy" in 2023 and when Corum came back and sucked up the majority of the carries that changed his mind and he decided he wanted another year and a turn at being "the guy".
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well not sure M's O-line will resmble the last 2-3 seasons. He might pad some stats vs the unfortunate's but the thrill may be gone
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well not sure M's O-line will resmble the last 2-3 seasons. He might pad some stats vs the unfortunate's but the thrill may be gone
I think the OL will be just fine. Sherrone Moore and Grant Newsome are former OL’s themselves, Michigan has recruited well at the position and they’ve proven they can develop players up front.
Giovanni El-Hadid and Andrew Gentry would’ve already started at a lot of other places if not for the depth & talent Michigan had, and Josh Priebe was a nice portal addition. I’m really not that concerned about the OL. The WR position and QB are the biggest concerns on offense. Roman Wilson was so underrated and a dude and JJ for all his faults was supremely talented and a natural born leader and winner.
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He should get plenty of carries but booger portaled immediately to fill needs on the oline - nicely too.Not sure were M's line is or who will have a stoudt defense after tOSU's to keep D.E. from getting yards. Find out how NFL ready he is,still would have rode that NC to a paycheck there's always achance of injury also and RBs have a short shelf life
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He should get plenty of carries but booger portaled immediately to fill needs on the oline - nicely too.Not sure were M's line is or who will have a stoudt defense after tOSU's to keep D.E. from getting yards. Find out how NFL ready he is,still would have rode that NC to a paycheck there's always achance of injury also and RBs have a short shelf life
Don’t get me wrong I think he should’ve went pro. RBs have a short shelf life. And as down of a regular season as Edwards had he still would’ve tested very well, has enough explosive plays on tape and is such a gifted athlete in space and a plus receiver for the RB position that he’d still probably have been the first RB taken in this draft.
He 100% should’ve went pro. Rod Moore too. Moore just tore his ACL. Would’ve been a 2nd rd pick probably, now he’ll miss his entire SR year and have to try to come back from an ACL surgery.
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CB Amorion Walker apparently hitting the portal to go back to Michigan.
Um, ok. I hate the portal.