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Topic: 2023 Michigan Season Thread

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1526 on: November 08, 2023, 09:57:15 AM »
Thanks for the Buckeye denial follow up post. A buckeye fan website saying it’s not against the rules! Yep, completely different than a Michigan website saying Stallions buying tickets for people that weren’t him wasn’t against the rules.

looks like 3 more sets of CHEATERS in the league.
Hey, you should be thankful! This will allow the NCAA to hammer an irrelevant program like Purdue so they can look tough, while sweeping Michigan under the rug "oh it was just a lone wolf rogue staffer who, quite frankly, is nuts" with a slap on the wrist. We can be your scapegoat because nobody cares about Purdue. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1527 on: November 08, 2023, 09:58:44 AM »
So you do understand that “changing our signs“ is a minor tweak. That’s because the signs are so complex and sophisticated that they take months to learn so any changes that you make - in season-are going to be minor in nature and more likely related to who is the “ hot “ read when sending in signs? The players have already said this.  Da wand Jones said we made some tweaks- but there is only so much you can do, in season. 

Obviously, that’s why sign stealing during games while you were playing your opponent is not illegal at all. Because it’s common place and highly ineffective.  

That is why when you go and do advanced scouting and recording of signs, and now have ability to watch the video repeatedly, it gives you an enormous advantage of deciphering not only the signs mean, but who, and how they select the “hot” signaler 

Cultures. Exchanging information about common opponents is common place. Everybody knows that.

Why can’t you just admit that what was done by stallions is absolutely against the rules, should be against the rules, and gave an advantage- otherwise why do it for three seasons, use 65 different people to do it, and 35 games, and 17 different stadiums?

No, the shocker here is the false equivalency and the failure to just admit what happened was wrong and take accountability.  Fricken sad and embarrassing. 
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1528 on: November 08, 2023, 10:03:12 AM »
Hey, you should be thankful! This will allow the NCAA to hammer an irrelevant program like Purdue so they can look tough, while sweeping Michigan under the rug "oh it was just a lone wolf rogue staffer who, quite frankly, is nuts" with a slap on the wrist. We can be your scapegoat because nobody cares about Purdue.
Lol.  Good post.  But a Purdue won’t get in any trouble at all because they did not break any rules or do anything that is not common across the college football Landscape, Lake Michigan, obviously did.
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1529 on: November 08, 2023, 10:13:23 AM »
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1530 on: November 08, 2023, 10:15:27 AM »
So you do understand that “changing our signs“ is a minor tweak. That’s because the signs are so complex and sophisticated that they take months to learn so any changes that you make - in season-are going to be minor in nature and more likely related to who is the “ hot “ read when sending in signs? The players have already said this.  Da wand Jones said we made some tweaks- but there is only so much you can do, in season. 

Obviously, that’s why sign stealing during games while you were playing your opponent is not illegal at all. Because it’s common place and highly ineffective. 

That is why when you go and do advanced scouting and recording of signs, and now have ability to watch the video repeatedly, it gives you an enormous advantage of deciphering not only the signs mean, but who, and how they select the “hot” signaler 

Cultures. Exchanging information about common opponents is common place. Everybody knows that.

Why can’t you just admit that what was done by stallions is absolutely against the rules, should be against the rules, and gave an advantage- otherwise why do it for three seasons, use 65 different people to do it, and 35 games, and 17 different stadiums?

No, the shocker here is the false equivalency and the failure to just admit what happened was wrong and take accountability.  Fricken sad and embarrassing.
So stallions version is cheating because it’s so complex and Ohio state teaming up is likely highly ineffective. So Ohio State didn’t have enough time to change their signs, but Michigan did at halftime versus Purdue?

don’t worry I get it. Anyone that doesn’t agree with you is sad and embarrassing.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1531 on: November 08, 2023, 10:16:28 AM »
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38845395/michigan-big-ten-reach-sign-stealing-crossroads

A pretty good synopsis of where it is at. 
Already posted. But posted by a Michigan fan so likely you wouldn’t read it or hear it out.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1532 on: November 08, 2023, 10:35:34 AM »
So stallions version is cheating because it’s so complex and Ohio state teaming up is likely highly ineffective. So Ohio State didn’t have enough time to change their signs, but Michigan did at halftime versus Purdue?

don’t worry I get it. Anyone that doesn’t agree with you is sad and embarrassing.
Signs deciphered by advance RECORDING are cheating.  Nobody disputes that.  Signs deciphered in game are not.  Nobody disputes that.  Why is this so hard for you to admit?  It is what the rest of the CFB world already acknowledges. 

What is sad has nothing to do with agreeing with me- but you know that.

what I find sad is that Michigan fans won’t just admit that what stallions did was broad, comprehensive, sophisticated, cheating, and that it should not have happened, and it gave them an advantage.  It’s really simple and again when I believe the overwhelming majority of college football, media, coaches, players, and fans understand.
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1533 on: November 08, 2023, 10:57:48 AM »
whether it conferred advantage is the key unknown at this point.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1534 on: November 08, 2023, 11:08:21 AM »
doesn't matter to me

if it was cheating, it was cheating

regardless of how much of an advantage
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1535 on: November 08, 2023, 11:09:38 AM »
I don't think the pine tar up on George Brett's bat gave him much of an advantage, but he wasn't awarded the home run, because........ rules
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1536 on: November 08, 2023, 11:10:17 AM »
It is POSSIBLE Stalions cheated, that seems certain, and Michigan didn't.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1537 on: November 08, 2023, 11:11:04 AM »
whether it conferred advantage is the key unknown at this point.
I disagree.  It’s pretty obvious- or why would you do it for 3 seasons, spending money on 35 games, hiring or asking 65 different people to video the opponents signals and paying for all that?

But it isn’t even a relevant question.  It is a blatant violation of the rules.   
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1538 on: November 08, 2023, 11:11:51 AM »
It is POSSIBLE Stalions cheated, that seems certain, and Michigan didn't.
He was a paid member Michigan Staff.    Spin that.  
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1539 on: November 08, 2023, 11:13:12 AM »
It is POSSIBLE Stalions cheated, that seems certain, and Michigan didn't.
How do you figure?

Stallions was a paid scUM staffer. If he cheated (spoiler alert, he did), then they cheated 

 

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