2023 Michigan Season Thread

[Honestbuckeye]

Ohio State, Rutgers, Purdue, and Illinois cheating.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38843207/michigan-says-rutgers-ohio-state-purdue-shared-signs

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I almost feel sorry for you.  Your false equivalency is just more arm flailing of a drowning man. 

The strategy of trying to take others down with you has many flaws- the biggest of which is that there is nothing illegal there.  Nice try though. 

[Cincydawg]

It's unknown whether the signal sharing between league teams violates the Big Ten's sportsmanship policy or any NCAA rules. The information passed along is not expected to impact the Big Ten's potential discipline for Michigan under the sportsmanship policy, a source said. NCAA rules do not prohibit in-game signal stealing but bar schools from off-campus scouting in advance of games.

[Honestbuckeye]

it's funny....Ohio State changed their signals for the game last year- something they openly admitted, and it turns out they had Michigan's signals....and STILL got their asses kicked, at home.

Gee, maybe Marcus Spears, RGIII, Jeff Saturday, Dan Orlovsky, Deion Sanders, Joel Klatt, Michael Irvin, and just about every former P-L-A-Y-E-R and not loud mouthed mediot (Steven A Smith, Paul Finebaum, Pete Thamel) that I've heard talk about this are probably right when they all laughed it off and said....the signal stealing is part of the game within the game and it doesn't give that big of advantage. Still have to block and tackle. Still have to stop what's coming. Still have to execute. PLAYERS win games. Not play calls.

Just stop MDot.  You are embarrassing yourself. 

Nobody believes any of what your saying.

You don’t personally attend 17 future opponents games in person, 35 times at 17 different stadiums, over 3 seasons, using 65 different people- and then get to claim it gave no advantage.  Do you see how stupid that looks and sounds? 

Just stop trying to defend it.  It’s ridiculous.

If you want to defend the coaches by saying the didn’t know - have at it.  That part is not proven and really does require more investigating. 

[Temp430]

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I almost feel sorry for you.  Your false equivalency is just more arm flailing of a drowning man.

The strategy of trying to take others down with you has many flaws- the biggest of which is that there is nothing illegal there.  Nice try though.

I don't think Stalions did anything illegal.  It does look like Stalions was on the CMU sideling for Sparty's opener which would be violation of a NCAA rule.  Speaking of illegality, there was a report a few days ago that law enforcement was looking into hacked University of Michigan computers from which football data was stolen.  That would be an actual crime.  If the allegations in the ESPN story are true it would certainly be against the spirit of the B1G's sportsmanship policy since it amounts to the same thing.  Something which many have feigned grave offense at recently in regards to Michigan's situation.

[Temp430]

You're all guilty


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[MaximumSam]

I don't think Stalions did anything illegal.

If he was listing Corum as owner of a company that Corum knew nothing about, probably illegal

[Honestbuckeye]

I don't think Stalions did anything illegal.  It does look like Stalions was on the CMU sideling for Sparty's opener which would be violation of a NCAA rule.  Speaking of illegality, there was a report a few days ago that law enforcement was looking into hacked University of Michigan computers from which football data was stolen.  That would be an actual crime.  If the allegations in the ESPN story are true it would certainly be against the spirit of advance in-person scouting since it amounts to the same thing.  Something which many have feigned grave offense at recently in regards to Michigan's situation.

You’re just in denial.  Advance scouting and recording is as illegal as it gets. 

Have you finally come to your senses on blaming Coach Day- now that that has been debunked? The counteroffensive from the UM bubble ( media and insiders) have mostly moved on to their final strategy- try to take others down ).  Or are you in that fringe group still clinging to that?

As far as other rumors- I am going to ignore them unless some evidence is presented. 
Like the rumors you mentioned above, or the rumor that the NCAA and BIG have documents proving that Jay Harbaugh and Jesse Minter signed off on Stalions budget/ expenses for the advance scouting and reporting. 

[Mdot21]

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I almost feel sorry for you.  Your false equivalency is just more arm flailing of a drowning man.

The strategy of trying to take others down with you has many flaws- the biggest of which is that there is nothing illegal there.  Nice try though.

yeah, sign stealing isn't against the rules. which was my point from the motherfcking beginning.

Connor Stallions isn't guilty of stealing signs. That isn't against the rules. He's guilty- allegedly- with some pretty damning evidence- of running an ADVANCED SCOUTING ring, which is against NCAA rules- since 1994.

People are conflating sign stealing with advanced scouting. One is against the rules. One isn't.

And the NCAA rule against recording of signs ONLY forbids the recording of signals of an opposing team by another team on the sidelines in the "team area" during a game- and applies to players, coaches, and any staff on the field sidelines of said game.

There is no rule about recording from the stands vs opponents you aren't currently playing. The only rule is against ADVANCED SCOUTING- put in place in 1994, and not to prevent sign stealing. It was because the POORS were complaining that they couldn't keep up with the massive budgets of the rich helmet schools who would send staffers and scouts to every game to scout opponents.

[Mdot21]

If he was listing Corum as owner of a company that Corum knew nothing about, probably illegal

might've also been illegally running a vacuum cleaner repair shop out of his house....definitely against HOA bylaws and might've violated local planning & zoning ordinances....

more and more that comes out about this dude....weirder and weirder he seems....

[MrNubbz]

You're all guilty


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[Honestbuckeye]

MDot- you may find this really hard to believe- I don’t want Michigan football to crash and burn.  I would hate that.

Yes, they are the arch rival of the team I cheer for, but I have unbelievable respect for the rivalry, and I have always had tremendous respect for the Michigan football program.  You have to remember I was raised in the Bo versus Woody days, before all this social media, and back, then it was about winning, but also about having great respect. 

There’s an old saying, that you “measure a man by the strength of his enemies”

I have always thought the rivalry, and “The Game” were a thing of beauty, and I don’t want to see that diminished

I think the Michigan football team this year is as talented as any in the country. They don’t need any advantages and I still think they can whip just about any team.

But I just wish they would say OK, this was not the right thing for us to be doing and take accountability so everybody can just move on   

[Brutus Buckeye]

"Every coach, every executive, every leader: They all know right from wrong. Even those Enron guys. When someone uncovers a scandal in their company, I don't think they can say, 'I didn't know that was going on.' They're just saying they're too dumb to do their job!"

-Bo Schembechler

[Mdot21]

I do not think they will crash and burn. Find it hard to believe the NCAA/B1G will death penalty and nuke a helmet TV cash cow. Those bastards LOVE money, and Michigan brings in the money. Michigan will get a punishment- because Stallions clearly broke the rules- and they can't just let it go- but it will be slap on the wrist- and not much more imo. 

I do think this all just ensures that Jeem will go off to the NFL and any shot they had at getting McCarthy to come back for his senior year goes with that. They will absolutely SUCK next year because they're going to lose like EVERYBODY to the NFL draft and Jeem to the NFL- and their schedule is RIDICULOUSLY tough next year. 

Michigan probably isn't going to be good again until 2026-2027 imo- provided they hire the right coach to replace Harbaugh after he leaves for the NFL and provided Jadyn Davis' commitment sticks and he's any good or they can land Bryce Underwood in '25 and he's any good.

[Mdot21]

"Every coach, every executive, every leader: They all know right from wrong. Even those Enron guys. When someone uncovers a scandal in their company, I don't think they can say, 'I didn't know that was going on.' They're just saying they're too dumb to do their job!"

-Bo Schembechler

Ah yes, Bo Schembechler, the choir boy perfect angel and arbiter of truth and all that is righteous.