2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread

[bayareabadger]

Been a lot of places, but Stockton, home of Pacific would not rank high at all. 

They also may be the most random place to host an NCAA regional (women's but still).

[bayareabadger]

Also, Wisconsin ripped off a couple nice runs to top Rutgers. Puts to rest any Chicken Little-ing about UW's tourney hopes. (It was dumb, but people were on it)

Robbie Hummel was accused of buying Boone's Farm by the play-by-play guy, which was hilarious. 

[ELA]

Also, Wisconsin ripped off a couple nice runs to top Rutgers. Puts to rest any Chicken Little-ing about UW's tourney hopes. (It was dumb, but people were on it)

Robbie Hummel was accused of buying Boone's Farm by the play-by-play guy, which was hilarious.

The two of them had awesome banter tonight.  Hummel is almost always good, but,.like most color guys, plays even better with great setups 

[betarhoalphadelta]

Been a lot of places, but Stockton, home of Pacific would not rank high at all.

Ugh. Stockton is terrible. 

[CatsbyAZ]

Finally made it to an Arizona game for the first time this season - their last game Vs UCLA as their longtime Pac 12 conference rival. First time the Wildcats have beaten the Bruins in Westwood since 2017:

[847badgerfan]

Also, Wisconsin ripped off a couple nice runs to top Rutgers. Puts to rest any Chicken Little-ing about UW's tourney hopes. (It was dumb, but people were on it)

Robbie Hummel was accused of buying Boone's Farm by the play-by-play guy, which was hilarious.

I wish Gard didn't call off the dogs at the end.

[medinabuckeye1]

Final update:
Tiers:

• Purdue, Illinios
• Northwestern, Nebraska, Michigan State
• Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Rutgers, Ohio State, Maryland
• Penn State, Indiana
• Michigan

Through 133 games there have been 26 upsets (roughly one every fifth game), they are:


Based on this, the projections are (teams in bold have locked up their seed):

• 17-3/28-3 Purdue
• 14-6/23-8 Illinois
• 12-8/22-9 Nebraska (wins tie with NU based on record against PU)
• 12-8/21-10 Northwestern
• 11-9/19-12 Wisconsin (wins tie with MSU based on H2H sweep)
• 11-9/19-12 Michigan State
• 10-10/18-13 Iowa
• 9-11/15-16 Penn State (see tiebreaker below)
• 9-11/18-13 Minnesota
• 9-11/17-14 Indiana
• 8-12/18-13 Ohio State (wins tie with RU based on record against PU)
• 8-12/16-15 Rutgers
• 7-13/15-16 Maryland
• 3-17/8-23 Michigan

9-11 tiebreaker between PSU, MN, and IU:
The first tiebreaker is H2H2H.  Each of these teams played the other two twice each and there were upsets but the upsets all balanced out so this doesn't help:

• Penn State:  Swept IU, swept by MN, 2-2
• Minnesota:  Swept PSU, swept by IU, 2-2
• Indiana:  Swept MN, swept by PSU, 2-2

Then it moves to record against the best team(s) in the league so basically best win:

• All are 0-season against #1 Purdue.  
• Penn State beat #2 Illinois so they win and get the #8 seed.  
• Minnesota beat both #3/4 UNL/NU so they get the #9 seed.  
• Indiana gets the #10 seed.  

Based on that the matchups for the 2024 B1G Tournament at the Target Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota would be:
Wednesday, March 13 (Peacock):

• #11 Ohio State vs #14 Michigan, 9pm
• #12 Rutgers vs #13 Maryland, 630

Thursday, March 14 (BTN):

• #5 Wisconsin vs RU/UMD, 230
• #6 Michigan State vs tOSU/M, 9pm
• #7 Iowa vs #10 Indiana, 630
• #8 Penn State vs #9 Minnesota, noon

Friday, March 15 (BTN):

• #1 Purdue vs PSU/MN, noon
• #2 Illinois vs IA/IU, 630
• #3 Nebraska vs MSU/tOSU/M, 9pm
• #4 Northwestern vs UW/RU/UMD, 230

Saturday, March 16 (CBS):

• PU/PSU/MN vs NU/UW/RU/UMD, 1pm
• IL/IA/IU vs UNL/MSU/tOSU/M, 330

Sunday, St. Patrick's Day, March 17 (CBS):

• PU/PSU/MN/NU/UW/RU/UMD vs IL/IA/IU/UNL/MSU/tOSU/M, 330

[LetsGoPeay]

So, a day after it breaks that Mike Woodson is getting another year, his one and only recruit, 5* Liam McNeely decommits. Style of play and lack of communication from the coaching staff are reported as the reasons why. Woodson's laziness in recruiting is becoming more publicized. Last Wednesday was the first night of the state tournament for three of the best Indiana HS recruits. Purdue, Notre Dame, Iowa, and others all had presences in those gyms. No one from IU was seen. The future is looking tremendously bleak in Bloomington. 

• Zero HS recruits for next year despite the strongest basketball NIL situation in the Big Ten.
• Ware, Reneau, Galloway, and Mgbako are likely gone next year
• Xavier Johnson is definitely gone. 
• It's looking more and more likely that IU will whiff on a very strong in-state class of 2025.

The admin has backed themselves into a corner with the program. It is very, very concerning. 

[847badgerfan]

Wow. Bad stuff.

[ELA]

Sam Webb saying Juwan will return next year

[bayareabadger]

I wish Gard didn't call off the dogs at the end.

That was a weird one. It seemed like he started calling them off, but they were trying to get Taylor one more basket. But that meant that Rutgers kept pressing, and they’re pretty good at that.

Badger were then moderately out of sorts and it just was what it was. I was sad I couldn’t refer to it as an ass kicking. 

[MaximumSam]

• Ware, Reneau, Galloway, and Mgbako are likely gone next year

Haven't heard that? Ware certainly could go to the NBA. Wasn't sure the rest of them had options like that.

[bayareabadger]

Sam Webb saying Juwan will return next year

This is the weirdest cycle.

I’m usually somewhat conservative when it comes to firing coaches. And even I am like “Yeah, you’re not losing a ton canning those two.” And yet …

[medinabuckeye1]

All teams have one game left.  Here are the teams by current standings along with their final game, and the seeding possibilities:

16-3 Purdue, vsUW Sun at 12:30 on FOX:
Purdue has already locked up the outright league title and the #1 seed in the BTT so they are only playing for national seeding.  Even there, they have almost certainly already locked up a #1 seed so the only thing left on the table is THE #1 seed.  

13-6 Illinois, at Iowa Sun at 7 on FS1:
Illinois has already locked up the #2 seed in the BTT and they are a lock for the NCAA so this is about NCAA seeding.  

11-8 Nebraska, at Michigan Sun at noon on BTN:
Nebraska controls their own destiny to the #3 seed because they would win a tie with either Wisconsin or Northwestern or both.  If Nebraska wins, they get the #3 seed.  

If Nebraska loses it gets interesting.  They'd be 11-9.  UW and NU would either be ahead of them or tied with them.  MSU (@IU) and Iowa (vsIL) could match that with wins.  Here is Nebraska's H2H record against the teams they could potentially tie with:

• 1-1 vs UW
• 1-1 vs NU
• 1-0 vs MSU
• 0-1 vs IA

11-8 Wisconsin, at Purdue, Sun at 1230 on FOX:
Wisconsin controls their own destiny to a double-bye because they would beat Northwestern in a tie.  If they win on Sunday they get the #3 seed if UNL loses in Ann Arbor and the #4 seed if UNL wins in Ann Arbor.  

If Wisconsin loses it gets interesting.  They'd be 11-9.  UNL and NU would either be ahead of them or tied with them.  MSU (@IU) and Iowa (vsIL) could match that with wins.  Here is Wisconsin's H2H record against the teams they could potentially tie with:

• 1-1 vs UNL
• 1-0 vs NU
• 2-0 vs MSU
• 1-1 vs IA

11-8 Northwestern, vs Minnesota, Sat at 9pm on BTN:
Northwestern needs help to get a double bye because they lose all ties at 12-8.  That said, they are likely to get help because Wisconsin's last game is against the B1G's best team in Edey's last game at Mackey.  If Northwestern wins and both UNL and UW lose, they get the #3 seed.  If they win and either UNL or UW loses, they get the #4 seed.  If they win and both UNL and UW win, they get the #5 seed.  

If Northwestern loses they'd be 11-9.  Same deal as UW and UNL above, here is their record against the other potential 11-9 teams:

• 1-1 vs UNL
• 0-1 vs UW
• 1-1 vs MSU
• 0-1 vs IA

10-9 Iowa, vs IL, Sun at 7 on FS1:
If Iowa wins they'd be 11-9.  They could be alone in 6th place or tied with up to four other teams for anywhere between 3rd place and 6th place.  Here is their record against the other teams that could finish 11-9:

• 1-0 vs UNL
• 1-1 vs UW
• 1-0 vs NU
• 1-0 vs MSU

If Iowa loses they'd be 10-10.  Minnesota would also be 10-10 if they beat Northwestern on Saturday night.  Indiana and MSU play each other on Sunday and if Indiana wins then both IU and MSU finish 10-10.  If MSU wins then neither MSU nor IU finishes 10-10 so it is both or neither.  Here is Iowa's record against the teams that could finish 10-10:

• 2-0 vs MN
• 1-1 vs the combination of IU and MSU

10-9 Michigan State, at IU Sun at 430 on CBS:
If the Spartans win they'll finish 11-9.  They could be alone in 6th place or tied with up to four other teams for anywhere between 3rd place and 6th place.  Here is their record against the other teams that could finish 11-9:

• 0-1 vs UNL
• 0-2 vs UW
• 1-1 vs NU
• 0-1 vs IA

If Michigan State loses they'll be 10-10 as will Indiana.  Iowa could get there by losing vs IL and Minnesota could get there by winning at NU.  Here is their record against the other teams that could finish 10-10:

• 0-1 vs IA
• 0-1 vs IU (assumes a loss in Bloomington because otherwise neither MSU nor IU would be 10-10)
• 1-1 vs MN

9-10 Indiana, vs MSU, Sun at 430 on CBS:
If the Hoosiers win then they and MSU will both be 10-10.  Iowa could get there by losing vs IL and Minnesota could get there by winning at NU.  Here is Indiana's record against the other teams that could finish 10-10:

• 1-0 vs IA
• 1-0 vs MSU (assumes a win this weekend for reasons as noted)
• 2-0 vs MN

Indiana wins all potential ties at 10-10 since they would be 4-0 against the other potential .500 teams.  

If the Hoosiers loses they'll be 9-11.  They could be alone in 8th or 9th place or tied with as many as three other teams for 8th or 9th place.  Here is Indiana's record against the other teams that could finish 9-11:

• 2-0 vs MN
• 2-0 vs tOSU
• 0-2 vs PSU

9-10 Minnesota, at NU, Sat at 9 on BTN:
If the Gophers win they'll be 10-10.  Here is Minnesota's record against the other potential .500 teams:

• 0-2 vs IA
• 1-3 vs the combination of IU and MSU

If the Gophers lose they'll be 9-11, same deal as IU.  Here is Minnesota's record against the other teams that could finish 9-11:

• 0-2 vs IU
• 1-1 vs tOSU
• 2-0 vs PSU

8-11 Ohio State at RU, Sun at 2 on BTN:
If the Buckeyes win they'll be 9-11.  They could be alone there or tied with IU (if they lose to MSU) and/or MN (if they lose at NU) and/or PSU (if they win vs UMD).  Here is the Buckeye's record against the other potential 9-11 teams:

• 0-2 vs IU
• 1-1 vs MN
• 1-1 vs PSU

If the Buckeyes lose they'll be 8-12 as will Rutgers.  Penn State and Maryland will also be 8-12 if Maryland wins in State College.  Here is Ohio State's record against the other potential 8-12 teams:

• 1-1 vs RU
• 2-1 vs the combination of UMD and PSU

8-11 Penn State, vs UMD Sun at 730 on BTN:
If the Nittany Lions win they'll be 9-11.  They could be there alone or tied with IU (if they lose to MSU) and/or MN (if they lose at NU) and/or tOSU (if they win at RU).  Here is PSU's record against the other potential 9-11 teams:

• 2-0 vs IU
• 0-2 vs MN
• 1-1 vs tOSU

If Penn State loses they'll be 8-12 as will Maryland.  Ohio State and Rutgers will also be 8-12 if Ohio State loses in Piscataway.  Here is Penn State's record against the other potential 8-12 teams:

• 0-2 vs UMD
• 2-1 vs the combination of RU and tOSU

7-12 Maryland, at PSU, Sun at 7:30 on BTN:
If Maryland wins they'll be 8-12 as will Penn State.  They'll either be tied with PSU for 11th/12th ahead of Rutgers and behind Ohio State or tied with PSU, RU, and tOSU for 10th/11th/12th/13th.  Their record against the other potential 8-12 teams is:

• 2-0 vs PSU
• 1-2 vs the combination of tOSU and RU

If Maryland loses in State College they'll be 7-13 and either alone in 13th place or tied with Rutgers for 12th/13th.  The tiebreaker is irrelevant since #12 and #13 play each other Wednesday night.  

7-12 Rutgers, vs tOSU, Sun at 2 on BTN:
If the Scarlet Knights win they'll be 8-12 as will Ohio State.  They'll either be tied with tOSU for 11th/12th ahead of UMD and behind PSU  or tied with PSU, UMD, and tOSU for 10th/11th/12th/13th.  Their record against the other potential 8-12 teams is:

• 1-1 vs tOSU
• 1-2 vs the combination of UMD and PSU

3-16 Michigan vs UNL, Sun at noon on BTN:
They are the #14 seed either way.