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Topic: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1554 on: March 06, 2024, 03:12:07 PM »
Thin crust?
Yeah. It's your standard non-Chicago non-NY thin crust pizza. 

But they nail it. 

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1555 on: March 06, 2024, 03:13:11 PM »
I found a place down here that does the cracker crust tavern Chicago pizza. Love it.
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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1556 on: March 06, 2024, 03:22:35 PM »
Didn't realize the NIT got rid of the regular season champion auto-bid.  So I'll have to adjust my bracket going forward

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1557 on: March 06, 2024, 03:33:43 PM »
From another board. Columbia is where USCe is located. Lamont Paris coaches there. Chris McIntosh is the Wisconsin AD.


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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1558 on: March 06, 2024, 03:35:09 PM »
Rivals.
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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1559 on: March 06, 2024, 03:36:07 PM »
I pay for 3 boards.

This one, 247 and Rivals. Haven't looked into the new one started by the old Scout guy. On3, I think?
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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1560 on: March 06, 2024, 03:41:46 PM »
We know the drill. Pat Richter turned everything around.
I think this is REALLY dangerous but lets discuss it.  

I think that @betarhoalphadelta and I pretty well articulated what I will call our theory of average program performance.  Ie, you shouldn't fire a coach unless he is performing below your "program average".  

I think that your comment here suggests that you are basically waving away everything prior to at least the Stu Jackson hire.  Stu Jackson coached the 1992/93 and 1993/94 seasons.  Since then:
  • 2 seasons 1992-1994 Stu Jackson:  Zero league titles, 1 NCAA Appearance.  
  • 1 season 1994/5 Stan Van Gundy:  Zero league titles, 0 NCAA Appearances.  
  • 5 seasons 1995-2000 Dick Bennett:  Zero league titles, 3 NCAA Appearances, 1 S16, 1 E8, 1F4.  
  • 1 season 2000/01 Brad Soderberg:  Zero league titles, 1 NCAA Appearance. 
  • 14 seasons 2001-2015 Bo Ryan:  4 league titles, 14 NCAA Appearances, 7 S16, 3 E8, 2 F4.  
  • 23 seasons 1992/1993-2014/2015:  4 league titles, 19 NCAA Appearances, 8 S16, 4 E8, 3 F4.  

So in that timeframe Wisconsin's average is:
  • Roughly five out of six NCAA Appearances (19 in 23).  
  • A league title roughly every 6 years (4 in 23).  
  • A S16 roughly every 3 years (8 in 23).  
  • An E8 roughly every 6 years (4 in 23).  
  • A F4 roughly every 8 years (3 in 23).  

This is Gard's 9th season and here is how he compares to that:
  • Slightly behind in NCAA Appearances.  He has 5 in 7 and it would be 6 in 8.  
  • Ahead in league titles.  He has two in 9 years, UW's pace is 2 in roughly 12 years.  
  • Around even in S16's.  He has 2 in 8 years so far.  UW's pace is 3 in 9 years so if he were to make it this year he'd be on pace.  
I simply don't see this as dramatically off and we are comparing to the greatest period in the history of Wisconsin Basketball.  I think that Bo Ryan was an EXTRAORDINARILY successful coach and if his performance is the standard almost nobody will be able to live up to it.  

I think it is highly risky to just completely ignore everything prior to 1992 as being "ancient history".  Wisconsins' performance since then is close to blue-blood levels but assuming that you are Kentucky and that F4's and NC's are a birthright is dangerous.  

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1561 on: March 06, 2024, 03:57:31 PM »
Never said UW was Kentucky. Can't compete with that payroll.

UW had been a top program for 20 years and is now stagnating.

We'll see what happens in football, but Mac went all-in there as we know. 

And he did the same with his men's hockey coach hire. Wisconsin is a blue blood in hockey and was crap for far too long. Now look at them.

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1562 on: March 06, 2024, 04:13:29 PM »
Definitely some disappointment for Wiscy this season after how they started the year. Though they could return everyone but Tyler Wahl and they have been pretty stable with their roster. 

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1563 on: March 06, 2024, 04:28:36 PM »
UW had been a top program for 20 years and is now stagnating.

We'll see what happens in football, but Mac went all-in there as we know.
Move fast and break things, right?

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1564 on: March 06, 2024, 05:04:47 PM »
Tonight we have:

  • Northwestern +9 at Michigan State, 7pm BTN
  • Indiana +5.5 at Minnesota, 9pm BTN
With a win Northwestern almost clinches a double-bye and stays in the running for the #2 seed in Minneapolis.  They can only get the #2 seed if they win tonight, then also win this weekend (vsMN) and Illinois loses this weekend (@IA).  

Michigan State's NET and KenPom suggest that they are safely a lock but if they lose out they'll be 17-15 on Selection Sunday.  If they do need one more win this is possibly their best chance as it is a home game.  

Indiana probably already would need to win the BTT to get to the NCAA but a loss tonight ends all doubt about that.  

Minnesota is in a similar situation.  Their SoS is embarrassing and their NET and KenPom aren't very good.  However, if they win tonight and this weekend (@NU) those will improve and they'll head into the BTT at 11-9/20-11.  


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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1565 on: March 06, 2024, 05:18:22 PM »
Rivals.
Gotcha. 

That post is almost assuredly nonsense, but an interesting sort of nonsense. 

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1566 on: March 06, 2024, 09:08:31 PM »
Illinois has clinched the #2 seed.

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1567 on: March 06, 2024, 09:31:35 PM »
Hoiberg has a chance at #3??
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