2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread

[847badgerfan]

No. After an elite eight run in 2000, ended by Wisconsin, they had about a five year dip.

Not that Bo handed things off in tip top shape.

Very true. That team wasn't going anywhere, and Gard made them very good, very quickly.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Didn't Keady get to a sweet 16 in his last season?

When did Bruce Weber leave for SIU?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Purdue_Boilermakers_men%27s_basketball_seasons

His last 5 seasons included one NCAA tourney appearance and two NIT appearances, and two seasons of missed postseason entirely (incl. his final season).

[ELA]

Jud also retired when he did, because MSU was losing it's two NBA players.  That 95-96 roster was no bueno.

IMO, Belein's is BY FAR the most impressive.

Also funny that both Belein and Painter had midseason turnarounds that likely saved their jobs.  Beilein in 2011 and Painter in 2015

[bayareabadger]

Jud also retired when he did, because MSU was losing it's two NBA players.  That 95-96 roster was no bueno.

IMO, Belein's is BY FAR the most impressive.

Also funny that both Belein and Painter had midseason turnarounds that likely saved their jobs.  Beilein in 2011 and Painter in 2015

Gard had one to get his job.

He took over a team with a 7-5 record and losses to UW Milwaukee and Western Illinois.

The team fell as far as 9-9 with a 1-4 conference record. Then they won 11 of the next 12, got Gard the job and managed to grind to the Sweet 16.

[847badgerfan]

Almost made the elite 8 too. That shot by FL was incredible.

[bayareabadger]

Almost made the elite 8 too. That shot by FL was incredible.

That was the next year. That year they were up 3 late but had a bad sequence, gave up a lay-up, Nigel effed up splitting a double and then Bronson got picked coming up the court. Not fun. 

[medinabuckeye1]

IMHO, Ryan is by for the most impressive here.  @grillrat talked about the status of the programs at the time these coaches took over and I agree but then that veered into a discussion of the VERY short-term status when these guys took over.  Yes, Gard took over a team that looked questionable THAT year and Painter took over a program that had clearly fallen off a bit in Keady's last few years but both of them still took over programs that had a LOT of history of success.  AFAIK, Ryan really didn't.  

[medinabuckeye1]

Maryland is on an absolute tear lately.  They picked up another unexpected road win last night, this time in Iowa City.  They are now +2 in upsets.  

The win in Iowa City was an upset despite us recently moving Iowa down AND Maryland up and it would STILL be an upset even if we moved Maryland up another tier (to Tier-2).  

The Terps had an awful November then started league play in early December by getting drilled in Bloomington and needing OT at home to beat lowly Penn State.  

January has been a VERY different story.  They are only 3-4 but part of the reason we do the tiers is to recognize SoS so we can notice when teams are playing well even if the W's and L's aren't all that good.  The Terps in January:

• Lost at home to Purdue - Home losses aren't idea but most prognosticators have PU as the overall #1 seed, this is NOT a bad loss.  
• Lost at Minnesota by one score.  
• Beat Michigan.  
• Won at Tier-1 Illinois.  
• Lost at Northwestern by one score.  
• Lost at home to MSU by one score.  
• Won at Iowa.  

That is a brutal schedule so 3-4 against it is actually pretty good.  

[boilerbanger]

Maryland has turned it around, Young is playing at an all conference level right now and they started making some 3 point shots.  Would love to see their season split on 3 point % up to 12/31 and then January % ... has to be a significant up tick.


Question for the group:  I think Shannon was a lock for all conference before the charges ... do you think the charges will prevent people from voting him all conference?

All conference selections are going to be really hard this year ... other than POY ... Edey has that about locked up along with NPOY.

[medinabuckeye1]

Lunardi's latest:

• #1 Purdue
• #2 Wisconsin
• #4 Illinois
• #7 Michigan State
• #9 Nebraska
• #10 Northwestern

Only Northwestern is included in his "bubble", they are one of his "last four byes".  Chris Holtmann's latest failure has dropped the Buckeyes all the way from previously being (IIRC) a #5 seed to not even being in the conversation.  Consequently, the league is down to six teams in and nobody behind those six is particularly close.  

FWIW, these seeds would typically result in:

• 4.22 first round wins
• 2.34 teams in the S16
• 1.42 teams in the E8
• 0.74 teams in the F4
• 0.36 teams in the NCG
• 0.21 NC's.  

[847badgerfan]

Huge game in Madison tonight - MSU. They will want revenge.

Then @UNL followed by PU at home.

Gotta take 2 of 3 if you're UW.

[FearlessF]

amazing to me how well UNL plays at home and how crappy on the road

[grillrat]

Huge game in Madison tonight - MSU. They will want revenge.

Then @UNL followed by PU at home.

Gotta take 2 of 3 if you're UW.

Yup.  Next three games for UW decide if they are in the drivers seat or coming down the home stretch neck-and-neck.

[medinabuckeye1]

About to update the tier projections but wanted to comment on tonight's game in Madison first.  It is HUMONGOUS.  

Right now UW is projected to finish alone in first at 17-3 while MSU is projected to finish alone in 4th at 14-6.  That is largely because of Wisconsin's earlier upset of Michigan State in East Lansing.  However, if the Spartans can return the favor by upsetting the Badgers in the Kohl Center tonight then UW's projection drops to a tie with Purdue for 1st/2nd at 16-4 and Michigan State's projection improves to a tie with Illinois for 3rd/4th at 15-5.  Effectively that means that all four are still very much alive in the league title race.  If Wisconsin wins then I just can't see any possible way that a (then) 4-5 MSU team could somehow come back to win the title because even if they won out they'd still only be 15-5 and that typically isn't enough.