2022 Worthless Recruiting Thread

[847badgerfan]

The bar is to beat Ohio State, and not too many teams are any good at that.

[Mdot21]

So the top 2 teams in the West will continue to beat the bottom 3 from the East.

That's the bar?

yeah, just saying. you brought up the recruiting rankings, not me. i think the rankings matter- but only to a degree. still need to develop, motivate, and scheme up. the rankings are fun to look at- but outside of a few position like RB, CB, WR, Pass Rushers- i honestly think they are almost worthless. QB, IOL, OT, DT, LB, and even S seem to be 50/50 crapshoots imo. QB is hardest position there is to play and no one knows how a QB will perform until he's actually in there taking live bullets. DT/IOL/OT are the grown ass man positions- and that takes time to develop 18 year old kids into men. LB/S seem to be very instinctual/high IQ positions more-so than raw athletic ability. Typically the guys that can diagnose offenses, read keys instantly, and have great instincts are the best. I've seen way too many freaky highly rated athletic guys at LB/S for Michigan just wind up not being- well not all that special. And a lot of guys that were lowly ranked and just OK athletically be really, really good like David Harris & Jake Ryan.

[betarhoalphadelta]

I find one-year recruiting rankings to be less useful... I like the composite team talent rankings:

https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/?Conference=Big-Ten

Issue with single-year rankings is that it is particularly noisy with regards to class size, and even if you look at class average rather than class size, it can be be misleading as a larger class might give you a few more opportunities to take a flyer on a "maybe" prospect ranked lower knowing that worst case they're just a depth piece anyway. 

Team composite talent rankings are a lot more consistent year-to-year, and it takes a couple years of good recruiting (or bad recruiting) to move the needle there in an appreciable way. 

[Mdot21]

I find one-year recruiting rankings to be less useful... I like the composite team talent rankings:

https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/?Conference=Big-Ten

Issue with single-year rankings is that it is particularly noisy with regards to class size, and even if you look at class average rather than class size, it can be be misleading as a larger class might give you a few more opportunities to take a flyer on a "maybe" prospect ranked lower knowing that worst case they're just a depth piece anyway.

Team composite talent rankings are a lot more consistent year-to-year, and it takes a couple years of good recruiting (or bad recruiting) to move the needle there in an appreciable way.

does this take into account portal guys leaving/coming? 

Cause MSU is 7th, and I feel like half their damn roster is portal guys and their best player and the best RB in the nation was a portal guy. A guy they probably go 6-6 or 7-5 this year without.

[betarhoalphadelta]

does this take into account portal guys leaving/coming?

Cause MSU is 7th, and I feel like half their damn roster is portal guys and their best player and the best RB in the nation was a portal guy. A guy they probably go 6-6 or 7-5 this year without.

Yeah, looking at it, he was listed on the 2021 roster. That said, he is listed as a 3* with a 0.8122 rating. So his recruiting ranking != his talent level IMHO.

I don't know if they weight it based on class, either. You would think that Jr/Sr players should be weighted a little higher than Fr/So players, because of the physical nature of the game and it being harder to produce before you've had time in the S&C program (less true for perimeter skill players than OL/DL/LB of course). 

But either way it's more useful to me than a single year recruiting ranking. 

[MrNubbz]

Cause MSU is 7th, and I feel like half their damn roster is portal guys and their best player and the best RB in the nation was a portal guy. A guy they probably go 6-6 or 7-5 this year without.

Like M would have done with out Cade 

[bayareabadger]

The way OSU pulls in top 5 classes while intentionally limiting its recruiting pool, as I’ve been told is the case, always impresses. 

[MaximumSam]

https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1471171568285933571?t=XehOEono0Pm89XKD07JsUA&s=19

[Mdot21]

https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1471171568285933571?t=XehOEono0Pm89XKD07JsUA&s=19

they'll eventually tweak these NIL rules.

I think it would make sense if they had some sort of rule where players can't get NIL money until their 2nd year of college. This way you can maybe eliminate pay-for-play HS recruiting schemes.

[Mdot21]

Austin Westlake DL Ethan Burke decided to stay home and flip from Michigan to Texas today.  Rumors started on this one a couple of days ago. 

don't want to be that guy- but never understood why they even took him. was never a big fan- and I'm not some star gazer. Probably hurts losing him now though, as it sounds like Kevonte Henry is wavering and might follow Michigan's former freaking recruiting co-ordinator to Washington. 

And I'm totally not some star gazer- Burke just never flashed to me. Henry did. And Henry was a 3* for most of the cycle and just recently got bumped to 4*. I was most excited for Henry of any kid in Michigan's entire class save for 5* CB Will Johnson. Henry is just a 6'4, 225 pound freak-show with 4.5 speed who plays DE and RB for his HS team. Even though he plays in the LA area- apparently he doesn't play the best competition and he's supposedly very new to football and raw- but he literally just jumps off the screen. Going to suck to lose him to Washington. 

[betarhoalphadelta]

https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1471171568285933571?t=XehOEono0Pm89XKD07JsUA&s=19

It's silly to use ONE outlier, going to a program that most people have only heard of because of Prime Time, of a player at his exact position that idolizes the coach, as an argument that NIL won't benefit power programs more than others.

There are arguments against that that will prove true or false over time, but this ain't one of them. 

[utee94]

they'll eventually tweak these NIL rules.

I think it would make sense if they had some sort of rule where players can't get NIL money until their 2nd year of college. This way you can maybe eliminate pay-for-play HS recruiting schemes.

I can see how that's good for college football and the fairness of competition, but the states have no interest in limiting the abilities of free citizens to capitalize on NIL.  They're pushing to make it even more wide open.

[ELA]

3* DE Zion Young picks MSU over WVU and Missouri

[Mdot21]

so...Deion Sanders might not be done. Apparently 5* S Kamari Wilson was all bet set to go to Georgia, and sounds like he's now going to be joining 5* CB Travis Hunter at Jackson State. Wow. 

FSU should hire Deion today. Lol. The classes that guy would recruit as a head coach would be insane.