2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread

[847badgerfan]

They never have been

There was a period in the 1980's, right? It was not a long time.

[847badgerfan]

Today's winners:

Rutgers
Indiana
Penn State
Michigan State.

[medinabuckeye1]

I mean...I have to disagree again. Yes, the actual results aren't great. But the recruiting has only gotten better. We now have the NBA sniffing around, which wasn't a thing for most of the past decade. He has a strong class coming in. I'm resigned to the fact that Branham is probably gone. I guess you can say that's poor coaching - would you rather like Juwan Howard, who might get two higher rated recruits back because they weren't that good?

No, what I'd rather is:

• To win B1G titles, or at least compete for them.  Other than his first year (Matta's guys) he hasn't been closer than three games out.  
• Make the second weekend of the Tournament.  Crickets.  

I'm not saying he is terrible and I *HOPE* you are right and we see improved talent which leads to improved results but if the last four years repeat themselves for the next four it will have been a mistake to have allowed that to happen.  

[Honestbuckeye]

It’s my fault. I promised I wouldn’t watch them again since every time I watch them they’ve looked horrible but I turned on the TV last night middle eight second half and I watch them quickly lose their lead and look horrible again

[MaximumSam]

No, what I'd rather is:

• To win B1G titles, or at least compete for them.  Other than his first year (Matta's guys) he hasn't been closer than three games out. 
• Make the second weekend of the Tournament.  Crickets. 

I'm not saying he is terrible and I *HOPE* you are right and we see improved talent which leads to improved results but if the last four years repeat themselves for the next four it will have been a mistake to have allowed that to happen. 

Sure, we all want that. I just think the odds of getting a better coach are slim and a worse coach very high.

[bayareabadger]

I can't believe that OSU is still projected to make the tournament. That's ridiculous.

As the kids would say, wut?

[TyphonInc]

My goal for the Buckeyes Basketball team each year is to make the NCAA tournament and not get upset.

Holtman hasn't done that yet. 

This years Buckeyes always seem to rise up at odd times, but the norm is to crash in the last 5 minutes of a game. I'm assuming an early flame out in the again this year. 

[bayareabadger]

My goal for the Buckeyes Basketball team each year is to make the NCAA tournament and not get upset.

Holtman hasn't done that yet.

This years Buckeyes always seem to rise up at odd times, but the norm is to crash in the last 5 minutes of a game. I'm assuming an early flame out in the again this year.

Wait, what hasn’t he done?

[medinabuckeye1]

My goal for the Buckeyes Basketball team each year is to make the NCAA tournament and not get upset.

Holtman hasn't done that yet.

This years Buckeyes always seem to rise up at odd times, but the norm is to crash in the last 5 minutes of a game. I'm assuming an early flame out in the again this year.

And given his track record there is no reason to expect anything more.

Sure, we all want that. I just think the odds of getting a better coach are slim and a worse coach very high.

Holtmann's teams are performing at a level that is no better than tOSU's longterm average.

I personally came to the conclusion a long time ago that hiring a coach is basically a crap-shoot but there us a thumb on the scale for a school like tOSU. The thumb on the scale is that we are unlikely to lose a guy to a bigger fish because we're a pretty big fish. Ohio State can pay top dollar so if we ever get a great coach we can make him one of if not the highest paid nationally. Thus, if we get a worse one we'll fire him in 3-5 years and try again. Rinse/repeat until you get it right then pay him a LOT of cash and keep him for a LONG time.

[medinabuckeye1]

Wait, what hasn’t he done?

• Seriously contended for a league title:  The only time he finished within one game of a league title was 2017/2018, his first year, with Matta's players.  Since then the Buckeyes have finished three, three, three-and-a-half, and eight games out of first place.  
• Gotten to the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament:  His first two years he went 1-1 each year, his third year the whole thing was cancelled due to COVID, last year the team got embarrassed in a 2/15 upset and they are unlikely to win even one let alone two games this year.  

If you aren't contending for league titles or getting out of the first weekend of the NCAA then my view is that you basically have noting to lose because I could care less about the difference between 12-8 or 11-9 and being a truly bad team.  Either way you didn't do the things that I care about:

• contend for league titles, and
• make it to the second weekend of the NCAA.  

FWIW:

• Ohio State is tied for 3rd/4th in league titles.  The Buckeyes and Badgers have 20 each while IU (22) and PU (24) have more.  
• Ohio State is 5th in the league in NCAA Appearances with 30.  
• Ohio State is tied for 4th/5th in the league with 14 S16's.  
• Ohio State is tied for 1st/2nd in the league with 10 F4's.  
• Ohio State is tied for 3rd/4th/5th/6th in the league with 1 NC.  

Long-term tOSU is one of the better programs in the league.  In the last five years they have been AT BEST equal to that.  

[bayareabadger]

• Seriously contended for a league title:  The only time he finished within one game of a league title was 2017/2018, his first year, with Matta's players.  Since then the Buckeyes have finished three, three, three-and-a-half, and eight games out of first place. 
• Gotten to the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament:  His first two years he went 1-1 each year, his third year the whole thing was cancelled due to COVID, last year the team got embarrassed in a 2/15 upset and they are unlikely to win even one let alone two games this year. 

Medina. You did not write that post. I have already read these facts. In several of your long posts. I am extremely aware of those two facts. I promise. 

But that post that you did not write referred to upsets. And Holtmann, for his many flaws, has taken all of one NCAA tournament upset. That was where I was confused.

Personally, I don't care what happens to him. Fire him. Whatever. He has you in the golden cage of having relatively good, but not better than that, basketball teams. Sorry about that. 

[TyphonInc]

Wait, what hasn’t he done?

 Holtman hasn't had a successful Basketball season according to my personal definition. (Make NCAA tournament and then not get upset in the tournament ie. play to your seeding.)

He has been upset every year they have gone. 

[MaximumSam]

Holtman hasn't had a successful Basketball season according to my personal definition. (Make NCAA tournament and then not get upset in the tournament ie. play to your seeding.)

He has been upset every year they have gone.

Don't think that is true. His first year they were a five seed and got bounced by a four seed. His second season they were an 11 seed and got clubbed by Houston, a three seed. The only upset was last year.

Also, you have a pretty fair starting five with just the guys that were out last night for them.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Holtman hasn't had a successful Basketball season according to my personal definition. (Make NCAA tournament and then not get upset in the tournament ie. play to your seeding.)

He has been upset every year they have gone.

Not true. In 2018, they were a #5, beat the 12 in the R64, and then lost to #4 Gonzaga in the R32. In 2019, they were an #11, they upset the #6 in the R64, and then were beat by the #3 in the R32. 

So they played according to seed in 2018, above seed in 2019, and below seed in 2021.