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It would be grand.

But now the thread is two cents richer knowing more than half this great country sickens you.

Nice try. Although I think it’s disingenuous since you know better. The Democratic Party Politician  sicken me and many people who support them wholeheartedly sicken me. 

maybe I wasn’t clear because I’m watching a video of Biden lying AGAIN- about having support of a major Pennsylvania union being rebuffed by the actual head of the union who flat out says Biden never spoke to them nor got their endorsement. in fact they endorsed Trump.    Standard fare though.  

I could have predicted this months ago, but it appears we may have the largest voter turnout for the November elections in USA history.

I think that's a good thing

Not for the party trying to suppress voting.  

Not for the party trying to suppress voting. 

You mean suppress fraud. 

Oh look, they see your side the same way as you see theirs.  Fun.

Follow the money. The D's out-fund raise the R's. By. A. Lot. 

Barack Obama was the greatest trick/ad campaign pulled on the American people in the history of this country. He raised more money from Wall Street than any Presidential nominee ever- and his entire first cabinet was basically hand-picked with input from Citigroup. 

Truth of the matter is there is basically one party. They are both bought and paid for. They agree on almost everything in the end, and both are bought and paid for by the self-proclaimed "masters of the universe". 

Well, I don't like is policy decisions on trade. I think we differ on that one. I'm not sure what he's done for the economy other than reduce taxes, but obviously I favor lower taxes. He hasn't really done anything about government spending, though, which basically just means he's kicking the can, and as I've got 20+ years of working left ahead of me, may result in me being the one paying the piper. I'll give him credit for not getting us into any wars, though. That's helpful.

My issues with Trump extend FAR beyond "can't stand him", although I certainly can't stand him. I think he's a threat to the country. He's spent the last 2-3 months casting doubt on electoral democracy to set himself up to challenge his eventual loss in court, and he's publicly, and repeatedly, suggested he deserves 3 or 4 terms. And honestly, I think a lot of people see him as just another politician, but I think the potential damage he can do frankly unmakes us.

So per HB's question about why I support "the other side", the answer is that I don't support the other side. My own interests are often better served by the R party than the D party. But in this case, it's not based on party at all, nor on policy, because I view Trump as in the running for the worst President in American history, if not taking it outright. So while I'm not excited about a Biden presidency, I would quite literally vote for nearly anyone in the nation over Donald Trump.

Our "free trade deals" in the past were really just investor rights agreement. Nothing free about them at all. 

I'll give him credit for nuking TPP before it ever started, ripping up NAFTA, and going after China. Those are all HUGE deals to me. And say what you want, but the markets and the rigged unemployment gov't numbers that are rigged the same way by every former administration in history- were all at record highs. So his phony numbers beat every other president's phony numbers in history. 

I think you are buying into the media bullshit my friend. I don't see him as that much of a threat. As far as worst Presidents ever, as long as Clinton, W, or Obama breathe- one of them got that on lock and it's not freaking close.

IMO a Biden presidency would be a disaster for a country and an economy that is reeling and needs to recover. 

Well I think Badge has it right. This thread locks as soon as the B1G kicks off. If there is another politics thread, it locks the night of Nov 3.

And then I think we should all take a step back, drink a beer or twenty, and remember what brought us all together in the first place.

The realization that Notre Dame should never be a B1G member.

You had me up til the end. I still think ND would only help elevate the B1G. Probably doesn't matter though, as the SEC is king and will be for awhile due to the demographic/population shift from Rust Belt to the Sun Belt.

The states of Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, and South Carolina have grown like a weed and produce so much football talent now. Not to mention Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama always produce a high amount of top football players per capita- and SEC also brought in a Texas school in A&M to build a pipeline into that close-by talent rich producing state.

By biggest problem with Trump isn't his many personal issues, it's his incompetence.  He can't explain really any policy position and doesn't really try.  He values loyalty over competence.  So you can't trust anything he says, or by extension anything from the government.   If he could put on at least the air of doing a good job, he'd be in a lot better shape for the election.

He did open a can of worms by essentially being the first Twitter president.  He won based less on money and more on just trashing Obama every chance he got.  But he could bypass the political machinery, and other (better) politicians are doing the same thing now.  So I'm encouraged at the idea that we could get some fresh ideas by people who don't need to raise money, and also fearful at the idea that someone like Trump gets elected but instead of being bumbling and incompetent is instead competent and ruthless and really destroy all the things that Trump talks about destroying.