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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8246 on: September 03, 2020, 09:51:07 PM »
See, we have HB attacking the multiple (4, I believe) anonymous sources and not the president.  Because he can't.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8247 on: September 03, 2020, 09:51:11 PM »
To sum up

Pelosi received illicit haircut, blamed barber
Cuomo reacts to news that Trump will "defund" NYC for being "lawless" by saying he better bring an army when he comes to NYC
Trump calls armed forces casualties suckers and losers

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8248 on: September 03, 2020, 09:52:07 PM »
To sum up

Pelosi received illicit haircut, blamed barber
Cuomo reacts to news that Trump will "defund" NYC for being "lawless" by saying he better bring an army when he comes to NYC
Trump calls armed forces casualties suckers and losers
Yep.  

And only one of them is a president, seeking re-election. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8249 on: September 03, 2020, 09:55:54 PM »
Thought on Electroal College in sum:
Voting for electors: cool cool
Voting directly: cool cool
Voting then having vote run through a complicated algorithm that values vote on how many people live near you and whether they vote too similarly: galactically stupid
Popular vote/mass democracy/mob rule: stupid.
And there's no point voting for electors if the electors don't represent the "people who live near you"--i.e., the states.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8250 on: September 03, 2020, 09:58:38 PM »
To sum up

Pelosi received illicit haircut, blamed barber
Cuomo reacts to news that Trump will "defund" NYC for being "lawless" by saying he better bring an army when he comes to NYC
Trump calls armed forces casualties suckers and losers
do you really think Trump would say something like that

Pelosi and Cuomo are on tape so its proof for Trump is these unknown sources
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8251 on: September 03, 2020, 10:03:18 PM »
Popular vote/mass democracy/mob rule: stupid.
And there's no point voting for electors if the electors don't represent the "people who live near you"--i.e., the states.
I mean ok, but what we have now is mob rule channeled through a stupid algorithm to reward geographic quirks. It's clearly stupid and both against our founding principals and against democracy. The electoral college was supposed to be a check on the direct vote. What we have now is not a check. It is a reward system for people who can full some of the people all of the time. Like...checks notes...a certain president.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8252 on: September 03, 2020, 10:08:37 PM »
I mean ok, but what we have now is mob rule channeled through a stupid algorithm to reward geographic quirks. It's clearly stupid and both against our founding principals and against democracy. The electoral college was supposed to be a check on the direct vote. What we have now is not a check. It is a reward system for people who can full some of the people all of the time. Like...checks notes...a certain president.
So you think Trump won cause he fools people under the electoral system but wouldnt fool anyone if popular vote is used

again in the 2016 election NY and Calif accounted for the popular vote diff 

I really dont want NY and California picking my President
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8253 on: September 03, 2020, 10:10:09 PM »
do you really think Trump would say something like that

Pelosi and Cuomo are on tape so its proof for Trump is these unknown sources
Hmm, would the guy who disparaged John McCain's military service, and who General Mattis more or less called the worst president, and who mocked a disabled man, would this person be capable of these comments? Hmm I dunno.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8254 on: September 03, 2020, 10:23:59 PM »
Hmm, would the guy who disparaged John McCain's military service, and who General Mattis more or less called the worst president, and who mocked a disabled man, would this person be capable of these comments? Hmm I dunno.
fair point on McCain but what Mattis thinks could just be sour grapes and has little merit to me

not sure what disabled man Trump mocked but there a good chance his mocking if it happened was not aimed towards his disability
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8255 on: September 03, 2020, 10:30:53 PM »
Trump's plane full of uniformed people comment is an interesting one--even Laura Ingraham didn't seem too interested in hearing more. Can't wait to see some evidence on that one.

Badge, people who want psuedo-fascist clown shows can look elsewhere, too. And there's always Somalia--the libertarian Disneyland. Most "socialists" I know are called socialists because they want government-run healthcare (as is done in most democratic, capitalist nations), and to focus more government spending on social safety net programs, which requires higher tax rates. Most of those people aren't close to marxists.

As Truman said in 1952 (you can snopes it, it's true):
[Republican Senator Robert] Taft explained that the great issue in this campaign is “creeping socialism.” Now that is the patented trademark of the special interest lobbies. Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.
Socialism is what they called public power.
Socialism is what they called social security.
Socialism is what they called farm price supports.
Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.
Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.
Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.
When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan “Down With Socialism” on the banner of his “great crusade,” that is really not what he means at all.
What he really means is, “Down with Progress — down with Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal,” and “down with Harry Truman’s fair Deal.” That is what he means.


Now, to this day many Republicans don't like FDR's New Deal, but it's a pretty big stretch to say that he wasn't 100% American.
I hope I would have voted for Ike rather than Robert (son of moderate-progressive William Howard) Taft, but what Truman was accusing him of saying is not right-wing wackadoo stuff.  Those were all incremental steps toward socialism.
We aren't a socialist country.  Not yet, anyway.  But we are closer to it than we were in 1930, before Hoover's proto-New Deal and FDR's genuine article.
And we were closer to it in 1920 (although actually even closer to proto-fascism) than we were in 1890, before the Progressives had their crack at fundamentally transforming America (including resegregating much of it).
We are much more dependent upon the federal government, and much less dependent on ourselves, our families, and our neighbors than we were in 1890.
Some of that is inevitable in a more complex society.  But there are good cases to be made that not every new program is a net improvement over the greater degree of liberty we had before.
As for Truman's last point--of course that was what Taft was saying.  "Down with the New Deal."  "Down with the Fair Deal."  It's what I would say could I go back in time to 1952.

H.L. Mencken, who was not a nice man in many respects, had this to say about Truman's 1948 campaign: “If there had been any formidable body of cannibals in the country he would have promised to provide them with free missionaries, fattened at the taxpayers’ expense.”
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8256 on: September 03, 2020, 10:44:52 PM »
So you think Trump won cause he fools people under the electoral system but wouldnt fool anyone if popular vote is used

again in the 2016 election NY and Calif accounted for the popular vote diff

I really dont want NY and California picking my President
But what does that even mean? I don't want Wyoming determining the president, but they should get a say. How the heck are California and New York not supposed to get a say in who gets to be president?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8257 on: September 03, 2020, 10:50:45 PM »
I did.  It changed nothing for me. 

I don’t care how much you hate this man, and I don’t care how often he screws up with his Twitter or his big fat mouth. You cannot possibly make a reasonable case that he has been anything but 100 supportive of our military in every way possible.
I can make the case.
He has pardoned war criminals, undermining the chain of command and good order and discipline.
He has undercut our NATO allies and emboldened Vladimir Putin, increasing the likelihood that our men and women in uniform will have to go fight a war in Europe.
He has helped polarize racial issues in the armed forces.  There is increasing alt-right/neo-Nazi infiltration of the military going on. There is less trust and cohesion in the military than there was before he became the POTUS.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8258 on: September 03, 2020, 10:52:22 PM »
But what does that even mean? I don't want Wyoming determining the president, but they should get a say. How the heck are California and New York not supposed to get a say in who gets to be president?
see thats the beauty of the electoral system aint it great
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8259 on: September 03, 2020, 10:53:29 PM »
I do notice you never want to comment on the bullshit coming out of Cuomos mouth today or the hypocrisy of Pelosi which are both hot news items. You always want to focus on POTUS

Deflection or denial?
HB: Neither of those two are running for POTUS.  That they are both slimeballs is not a defense of Trump.
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