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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7336 on: August 28, 2020, 02:48:37 PM »
Or they are weighing the risk/benefit of sending armed agents of the state to put down assemblies of people expressing their anger and frustration at social ills differently than you are. It's not simply a question of stopping the rioting. It's a question of what those confrontations look like. As an example, by all accounts, the presence of federal agents in Portland made things worse, not better.

The National Guard was sent to Kent State. How is that remembered?
so, you're implying the mayor of Portland handled the situation properly?

would you support that scenario in your city or town or county? 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7337 on: August 28, 2020, 02:52:39 PM »
Badge just said that in Kenosha the governor has done what you wanted. Not when you thought he should have, but he did it. That's not consistent with, "they would prefer to watch things burn." 

I won't likely run for office, but my wife will. She has had to deal with civil unrest and protests in our city. Unsurprisingly, the action this city took (and we're a small city, even compared to Kenosha) was criticized from the left and the right, so I guess she got it correct. 

This isn't an all or nothing proposition. Particularly in a country in which the Constitution strongly protects the right to protest, the government's response needs to be calculated. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7338 on: August 28, 2020, 02:53:50 PM »
Badge just said that in Kenosha the governor has done what you wanted. Not when you thought he should have, but he did it. That's not consistent with, "they would prefer to watch things burn."

 
they watched a car lot burn
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7339 on: August 28, 2020, 02:55:04 PM »
This isn't an all or nothing proposition. Particularly in a country in which the Constitution strongly protects the right to protest, the government's response needs to be calculated.
as most of us agreed
you have a right to protest

you do not have the right to destroy property and terrorize citizens
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7340 on: August 28, 2020, 02:57:37 PM »
Badge just said that in Kenosha the governor has done what you wanted. Not when you thought he should have, but he did it. That's not consistent with, "they would prefer to watch things burn."

I won't likely run for office, but my wife will. She has had to deal with civil unrest and protests in our city. Unsurprisingly, the action this city took (and we're a small city, even compared to Kenosha) was criticized from the left and the right, so I guess she got it correct.

This isn't an all or nothing proposition. Particularly in a country in which the Constitution strongly protects the right to protest, the government's response needs to be calculated.
He didn't want to do it. He had no choice but to succumb to the intense pressure being placed upon him.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7341 on: August 28, 2020, 02:58:00 PM »
I think we all agree protest (peaceful) is fine and protected.  Looting/rioting/attacking others, arson is not.

If the latter starts up, it gets worse and worse unless it is nipped .... in the bud.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7342 on: August 28, 2020, 02:58:18 PM »
Badge just said that in Kenosha the governor has done what you wanted. Not when you thought he should have, but he did it. That's not consistent with, "they would prefer to watch things burn."

I won't likely run for office, but my wife will. She has had to deal with civil unrest and protests in our city. Unsurprisingly, the action this city took (and we're a small city, even compared to Kenosha) was criticized from the left and the right, so I guess she got it correct.

This isn't an all or nothing proposition. Particularly in a country in which the Constitution strongly protects the right to protest, the government's response needs to be calculated.
first of all protesting has nothing to do with this
in fact I dont think its the protesters doing most of the rioting

yes the governor finally did his job after several people died

to me its simple if you protest peacefully then your rights should be protected but if you destroy property you give up your protected right to protest
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7343 on: August 28, 2020, 03:02:10 PM »
I think we all agree protest (peaceful) is fine and protected.  Looting/rioting/attacking others, arson is not.

If the latter starts up, it gets worse and worse unless it is nipped .... in the bud.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7344 on: August 28, 2020, 03:04:19 PM »
so, you're implying the mayor of Portland handled the situation properly?

would you support that scenario in your city or town or county?
I don't know. I do know that the feds show of force and wide-spread arrests made things worse. 

There was a pretty good piece this morning, I think, in the Washington Post about the escalating confrontations at protests. Counter protesting and the violence between those groups is becoming a larger danger. That's a problem. One of the things causing that is both sides escalating their name calling and justifying the righteousness of their response. BLM protesters are not domestic terrorists, and suggesting that ordinary citizens have a patriotic duty to engage in armed confrontation is irresponsible, and is making things worse. 

Generally speaking, denying, intimidating, or openly trying to crush a protest movement doesn't reduce the anger of that movement. However, rioting and property damage aren't ok. Mayors, police departments, and governors make decisions all the time about how to address assemblies to (1) prevent rioting and property damage, and (2) not make things worse. Miscalulating--as it seems happened in Kenosha--doesn't show bad faith. Mayors, police departments, and governors all over the country have made those same calculations, and in most cases there hasn't been violence and property damage. And just because there has been some, in places like Portland and Kenosha, doesn't mean that a heavier government hand would have resulted in a better outcome. As we saw in Portland, a heavier government hand resulted in a worse outcome. In Kenosha, it appears that more was better. I don't think anyone is happy with how that has gone.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7345 on: August 28, 2020, 03:05:02 PM »
I truly fear for Kenosha, and cry.

Most of the dock we are on here in far NE Illinois (dammit, I'm back) are from Southport Marina in Kenosha. About half of them are saying they aren't going back this year, or next. 

Right now the issue is safety. For next year, the issue is not having anything to do in town. 

There is nothing left.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7346 on: August 28, 2020, 03:05:39 PM »
While we are suspending rights, could Kenosha declare a gun free zone and arrest anyone with a gun?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7347 on: August 28, 2020, 03:08:24 PM »
and when is enough enough

we never seem to get there

the people taking down the statues today will want more and more cause we just stand aside and let them take it
You:  Enough with the taking down of statues!
Them:  Enough with cops murdering us!


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7348 on: August 28, 2020, 03:09:18 PM »
While we are suspending rights, could Kenosha declare a gun free zone and arrest anyone with a gun?
what rights have been suspended

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7349 on: August 28, 2020, 03:09:44 PM »
While we are suspending rights, could Kenosha declare a gun free zone and arrest anyone with a gun?
yes, that would be fine with me, even encouraged
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