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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5978 on: August 06, 2020, 07:12:38 AM »
Any way you can be more specific, HB?  Those sound pretty much like generalizations.
See bwiarny post above.  I think that works.  There are controls.  

just mailing out ballots to people is not controlled.   Not requested, not registered, not controlled.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5979 on: August 06, 2020, 08:36:30 AM »
Many/most absentee ballots are not counted.  They are only counted if they could affect an election outcome.  If Mr. Green beats Ms. Brown by 1,000 votes, and there are 35 absentee ballots, those ballots will not be counted.
In the 2000 election, there were many thousands (I forget how many) of absentee ballots counted.  Enough so that if every one of them had been for Bush, he would have won the popular vote.  But they certainly weren't all for Bush, and they didn't affect any state or local elections, so they weren't counted.

And the popular vote doesn't matter anyway.
sure it does on a state by state bases 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5980 on: August 06, 2020, 09:14:18 AM »
I proved my identity when I registered to vote, not when I became a permanent vote-by-mail voter.

If you're already a registered voter, all you need to do is fill out and mail in an application for vote-by-mail either for a single election or permanently:

https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/vote-by-mail/pdf/vote-by-mail-application.pdf

You'll note that you're asked to sign it and warned that anyone other than the voter him/herself who signs it is committing perjury, but you don't have to provide any information verifying it beyond that.
And who is going to be checking all of those signatures? Short answer - NOBODY! 

The problem with vote by mail is that the Board of Elections will be sending ballots to everyone on their registered voter roles. The problem with that is that in most states, those voter roles have not been cleaned up in a number of years. There are people on those roles that have moved or died and will still be getting a ballot, if they even get there and are not lost by the USPS. 

Then let's say I get my vote by mail ballot. What is to prevent me from filling mine out, and while I'm at it, my wife and daughters ballots and my deceased mother in laws ballot that will arrive at my home because this is here last place of residence, and then going to the polling station and voting again? Who would know? They are not going to know at the polling station that I already filled out a ballot. 

And then when thousands of ballots are coming in by mail, who is going to go through each ballot, compare signatures and check to see if they have voted in person? 10 - 15 people? How long before they get tired of comparing signatures before they throw up their hands and say screw it, they're all good or they're all bad? 

Currently, when I vote, I show my ID to the poll worker, then they find my name in their list. At that point, I sign next to my registered signature which at that point is very easy for the worker to compare. At that point, they hand me my ballot. They have verified that it is me, and by signing, they verify that I have not already voted. 

If I request a mail in ballot, I fill out a form, sign it and before they send me the ballot, they compare that signature to my registered signature, make a not on the records that I received a absentee ballot and send it too me. When I get it, I fill it out sign it and send it back. Then what happens is interesting. First, they file it with the other absentee ballots and then possibly NEVER EVEN OPEN IT. If the election(s) being voted on are not within the number of absentee ballots that are received, they are NEVER COUNTED! If they need to be counted, they are opened, verified against the registration, checked to ensure that I have not already voted and then and only then are counted. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5981 on: August 06, 2020, 09:17:35 AM »
I really think to vote by mail you'd need at minimum an acknowledgement of receipt and that it was counted by return mail.  I don't know if that is enough, given the lost mail issue.  Lost mail might not be a huge problem, but ANY event of that ilk will cause the loser to claim FOUL.

And I do think operators in BG states might well try and lose some mail from predominantly R or D districts.  All that said, I never have any idea if my vote in person is really counted.  I recall what Stalin said.

I do think confidence in the voting system is a requirement, otherwise we'd have four years or protests, contentious hearings, impeachment proceedings, and Congress wouldn't get anything done ...

.... oh wait. 
I'm actually OK with Congress not getting anything done. For the most part, the only things congress gets done is spending more and more money.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5982 on: August 06, 2020, 09:43:06 AM »
I'm actually OK with Congress not getting anything done. For the most part, the only things congress gets done is spending more and more money.
I would like every sitting member expelled so we can start over.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5983 on: August 06, 2020, 09:48:19 AM »
I would like every sitting member expelled so we can start over.
I like the guy from Texas with the eye patch. Pretty stand up guy from what I can tell. But yeah, I would trade them all for a new bunch.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5984 on: August 06, 2020, 09:52:53 AM »
I would like every sitting member expelled so we can start over.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5985 on: August 06, 2020, 10:04:05 AM »
I would like every sitting member expelled so we can start over.
I think we'd have many of them simply have their wives replace them, or close associates, brothers, etc.

The name value is so important in elections.  Most folks just check D or R and many "independents" just vote randomly or for whichever name seems familiar.

Joe Johnson, a name you trust.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5986 on: August 06, 2020, 10:16:30 AM »
why term limits will do almost no good

just changing names and faces
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5987 on: August 06, 2020, 10:22:50 AM »
I recall George Wallace turned it over to Lurleen back in the day, I think.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5988 on: August 06, 2020, 10:54:48 AM »
It was never intended to be a ruling class. Serve your time, and go back to work when your time is done. That's what it's supposed to be.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5989 on: August 06, 2020, 10:59:53 AM »
Yeah, it was supposed to be more of a civic duty, something unpleasant like jury duty etc., not something folks would strive to do for a career, but that ended quickly.

A lot of things got distorted quickly after GW's Presidency. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5990 on: August 06, 2020, 02:43:43 PM »



People seem to not realized what is meant by calling for mail-in ballots.

They are wanting to mail out ballot to everyone and let everything be mailed in. Not verifying that the voter is still at that address, not verifying anything.

What Trump was approving was the use of the absentee ballot, where it is request, people are verified, etc.


EDIT: Ok I am late to the party
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5991 on: August 06, 2020, 02:53:55 PM »
People seem to not realized what is meant by calling for mail-in ballots.

They are wanting to mail out ballot to everyone and let everything be mailed in. Not verifying that the voter is still at that address, not verifying anything.

What Trump was approving was the use of the absentee ballot, where it is request, people are verified, etc.


EDIT: Ok I am late to the party

or could it be that they understand the difference but are trying to convince the general voting public that there is no difference
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