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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5740 on: August 03, 2020, 07:55:53 PM »
didn't see it, but heard about it
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5741 on: August 03, 2020, 07:57:41 PM »
Lovely.  Ive crossed frozen ponds to get to my ball even hitting off the ice but not this crazy.  I like how there happened to be a man made obstruction in his way too
Pros playin in tourneys for thousands of dollars get much better rulings and fortuitous drops than I do playing my buddies for a beer
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5742 on: August 03, 2020, 07:58:43 PM »
Anyone see this on the Euro Tour this week?


https://youtu.be/DqwkbTjjpMY
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5743 on: August 03, 2020, 08:01:50 PM »
In some cases, sure.

But the way it operates, it basically assures that people who commit crimes will be in more desperate positions when they're out. And desperation creates issues up and down for person and society.
Oh I don’t disagree.  You could make a fine argument that prison does not achieve either of it’s 2 stated goals:  offender being rehabilitated and offender paying debt to society.  
in fact the opposite is what usually happens 

nevertheless,  with plenty of candidates for jobs who have gone their entire lives showing good judgment it doesn’t make sense for companies that Handle money to hire those who have not shown good judgment
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5744 on: August 03, 2020, 08:05:08 PM »
any company

obviously some felons are much better workers than those that haven't been through the criminal justice system
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5745 on: August 03, 2020, 08:55:19 PM »
Pros playin in tourneys for thousands of dollars get much better rulings and fortuitous drops than I do playing my buddies for a beer
I think this depends on the company.  The nit pickiness from my old golfing buds normally is confined to stubbornness on the green.  We seem to take glee in making each other make everything. 
We tend to have enough forgiveness with stupid crap out on the course.  Paths, plugged lies, crappy bunkers, ground under repair etc.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5746 on: August 03, 2020, 08:57:57 PM »
agreed, I play with good guys

the pros seem to take advantage of rules I wouldn't even allow myself to take

such as using a boat to get to my ball across a water hazard
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5747 on: August 03, 2020, 08:58:01 PM »

We tend to have enough forgiveness with stupid crap out on the course. 
In other words you cheat?Go see Fearless he'll fill out your card
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5748 on: August 03, 2020, 09:00:39 PM »
since I'm well known as a crappy putter

the ball has got to be "within the leathers" for a gimme

back in the day all grips were made of leader, if you lay your putter down from the hole to the ball, it has to be within the start of the grip.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5749 on: August 03, 2020, 09:03:49 PM »
We tend to have enough forgiveness with stupid crap out on the course.  Paths, plugged lies, crappy bunkers, ground under repair etc.
paths are easy, free drop no closer

plugged lie, only if it's because of casual water, otherwise too bad

crappy bunkers are a hazard, your ball shouldn't be in there.  play it as it lies - unless casual water

ground under repair is easy, free drop no closer

bunkers that are not maintained is one of my pet peeves
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5750 on: August 03, 2020, 09:28:51 PM »
What does any of that have to do with requiring convicted felons to complete any sentencing requirements before being allowed to vote?
It disproportionately affects African Americans.  Disparate impact, it is called.  It's not racial on its face, but it affects one race more than another because of the facts on the ground.
One of Robert Heinlein's proposals back in the '50s was that you pay $200 up-front to vote and then you have to solve a quadratic equation.  If you solve it, you get your money back and you get to vote.  If you don't, you don't, and you don't.
That would have to be about $2000 now to have the same effect.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5751 on: August 03, 2020, 09:35:48 PM »
crazy proposal, let the rich folks run the government?

crazy!
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5752 on: August 03, 2020, 09:45:54 PM »
The framers of the Constitution wanted equal representation for both the people and the states. While the people directly elect their Representatives to the House, the States power laid with the Senate. Therefore, the State Legislatures would appoint Senators to the US Senate to represent that state in the Federal Government.

The 17th Amendment took that responsibility from the State Legislature and placed it with the people effectively removing the states voice in the Fed Government and giving the people yet another voice. Once that happened, that is when Senators figured out that if they would vote to give the people money from the treasury, they could help to secure their position in the Congress. Since the passage of the 17th, the states have ceded more and more authority to the Federal Government.

This change has also helped to solidify the two party system in that individual Senators are beholden to their political parties for campaign funds. If a Senator becomes rouge from the party, the party leaders can withhold party funding in his/her next political campaign.
What the heck?  I posted a response to the quote, and all that posted was NOB's quote!

Anyway, NOB, good points.

I'm skeptical about your 3rd paragraph, though.  Typically, each state legislator voted for the nominee of his party.  At least that's how it worked in Illinois when Lincoln was running against Douglas in 1858.






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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5753 on: August 03, 2020, 10:01:44 PM »
I think that's an interesting angle, but I also think states were also more of separate entities at the founding of the country. State governments meant more because we were a less United States.

Interesting point.  That was not the reason for the 17th Amendment, except in the general sense that Progressives wanted to steer power to Washington DC and away from the states.

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I mean, it puts more power in the hands of career politicians. Maybe that's better? I dunno. 
I can read this two ways.  So, are you saying that the 17 Amendment shifted power to the career pols in Washington?

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It reminds me of an interesting political comparison I've often made. So part of the reason we have two parties is because we have all the smaller races that are first past the post. As a result, we have to make compromises to build coalitions. So we have people who like guns, who are very into a certain faith and who like more unfettered markets all banding together. The have folks who like police but also don't like a bigger government together. None of these things are inherently related, and some even contradict each other, but compromises are made because you build majorities. 

That contrasts to a place like Israel, where they have an unusual proportional parliament. So if a party gets 5 percent of the votes, they get 5 percent of the seats. It's good because it kills off the 2-party setup. But in the end, you need a coalition. So the socialists get some compromise to join the main line liberals, and the party that just wants pot can offer its votes to someone. The positions make the compromise and the parties hold power over nominees. I don't know if that's good or bad. I'm sure one rhetorically could make it seem somewhat bad (I feel like angst against established pols has been a huge part of recent discourse).
There are pluses and minuses, but one thing the 2-party system has done is to promote political stability.  I think that Italy--with a parliamentary system--changed governments 9 times one year back in the '80s.
Less so now than historically the case, I think.  But then the parties haven't been this weak in almost 200 years.
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