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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5656 on: August 03, 2020, 11:00:11 AM »
the USA really should be better at counting votes
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5657 on: August 03, 2020, 11:03:58 AM »
What has changed with the NY people is now they are staying for their 6 months + 1 day to avoid NY taxation. In the past, they'd go down for 3-4 months, travel some others, and remain NY residents.

They are fleeing high taxes, just like me. The difference is many of them will still vote the same way - and vote themselves into paying state taxes. It's ironic.

It's happening in Arizona too, with the CA crowd coming in.
100% correct.  And most of them openly say this. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5658 on: August 03, 2020, 11:05:54 AM »
Yep. Them's the breaks.

Anyway, people will redistribute based on broad social trends. It makes sense to hope that benefits one's particular side, but at that point, it's mostly hope. And when things start to shift, folks in power will grip tightly to what they have, as Florida showed us not too long ago.
How so on the Florida comment?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5659 on: August 03, 2020, 11:08:26 AM »
Not sure, maybe the poll tax they implemented there

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5660 on: August 03, 2020, 11:09:31 AM »
Not sure, maybe the poll tax they implemented there
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5661 on: August 03, 2020, 11:20:29 AM »
What? 
Florida people voted quite clearly to lift the lifetime ban on felons voting.  In response, the Florida legislature implemented a scheme where felons couldn't vote if they owed money

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5662 on: August 03, 2020, 11:25:49 AM »
it's all about the money
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5663 on: August 03, 2020, 11:31:59 AM »
I mean, yes, there is no question that the representative government has given way to more people voting directly. It's also irrelevant to my point, which is that our current system is undemocratic because it ensures largess swathes of the population are irrelevant, and makes large swathes of the population have votes that count more than others. If we implemented a system where, say, a black persons vote counts double, I imagine a lot of you would be apoplectic. But that's the system were have now, except substitute voters in random close states for black people.
I think I get your point, but I think that that phenomenon is to some degree inevitable in any decentralized system.  And we could probably see similar phenomena in elections for city council in a good-sized city.  There might be 10 council districts with 7 or 8 of them heavily weighted one way or another.  So it's the 2 or 3 swing districts that will determine which side is going to control the council.
The other way of doing it would be to have everyone in the city vote for all 10 spots on the council, which would perhaps be more democratic, but could well leave some parts of the city not represented at all.
A lot of cities, mine included, had to change their form of government in the '70 and '80s because their old way of running the city resulted in no blacks or other minorities ever getting elected.  There was not a city council, but a city commission. And the commission was made up of the various commissioners--police commissioner, fire commissioner, streets and roads commissioner, etc.  All those positions were filled by city-wide elections, and they were always white, nearly always white men.  But--I would argue--they were elected more democratically than the way we do it now.
"Most democratically" doesn't necessarily mean "best way of doing it."
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5664 on: August 03, 2020, 11:34:53 AM »
Along these lines, I've started looking at elected officials being like baseball managers.  They're not going to do anything especially good to improve my life, but they can do things to mess it up.

The best baseball managers simply don't get in the way.  Poor managers tend to do a lot, but have a detrimental effect on outcomes. 
I agree and disagree.

We expressly elect Congress to be the "legislative" branch. They're the ones who are actually supposed to do something--write the laws which help the nation go. 

The President is the executive branch. He's supposed to execute what the legislature has enacted. As such, he's kinda in that boat--the President actually doesn't have a whole lot of power to "do good", but he has a tremendous amount of power to F things up. 

Even when a President is trying to set an agenda, much of what actually happens comes from Congress.

It's why for me, the mark of a "good" President is more defined by lack of bad things than by tallying up good things.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5665 on: August 03, 2020, 11:35:24 AM »
I could not agree more.

I still believe the 17th amendment to be the worst thing legislatively ever done in this country. For years, I have advocated repealing the 17th amendment. Unfortunately, our educational system in this country is brainwashing our youth to the point where they don't even understand the basics of the founding of this great nation.
I tell my students every year that if I could wave a magic wand and change one thing about the Constitution it would be to repeal the 17th Amendment.  I'm pretty critical of the 16th Amendment too, but the 17th is much worse, IMO.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5666 on: August 03, 2020, 11:38:53 AM »
We do know that Hillary would be facing large GOP majorities in both houses of Congress that wouldn't even discuss any of her nominees, effectively hamstringing her administration before she even raised her right hand.
Why do you say that?
I don't think that we know that a President Hillary Clinton would be facing large GOP majorities in Congress today.  President Donald Trump lost his House majority in the 2018 mid-terms and figures to lose his Senate majority this round whether he is re-elected or not.
That the GOP members of Congress would be largely hostile to her agenda I do not dispute.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5667 on: August 03, 2020, 11:48:21 AM »
The appeal of repealing the 17th amendment is making state's units more powerful/influential?
The evils of the 17th Amendment are two.
1.  It removed the state governments' input into federal policy-making.
2.  It made the Senate much more like the House--representing much the same interests--so the "cooling saucer" effect became much less so.
So, yes, repealing it would return some power to the states.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5668 on: August 03, 2020, 11:48:59 AM »
Tried to watch my Houston Rockets play last night and was completely turned off by the kneeling during the National Anthem, a very large Black Lives Matter sign on the floor inside the playing area and countless BLM commercials running during the game.

I turned it off near the end of the 2nd quarter and will not watch another game until this crap goes away

I am not racist but when I watch a sporting event I dont want to see any of this
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5669 on: August 03, 2020, 11:51:44 AM »
Presidential elections are generally close.  How would we do a recount if one was needed nationally?
The greater ease of stealing a national election under a popular vote is one side-argument I have seen in favor of retaining the EC.
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