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847badgerfan

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4578 on: July 07, 2020, 09:47:06 AM »
Right.  Minorities have the same rights and privileges as everyone else.  Cincy’s point is you can’t pass legislation that makes it illegal for a cop to be suspicious of a black person.  You can’t pass legislation that makes it illegal for a clerk at Macy’s to keep an eye on a black person.

Btw, those happenings aren’t unique to people of color.  There are plenty of white people walking around who would draw an extra look from a cop or store employee.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4579 on: July 07, 2020, 09:48:25 AM »
Tell me what legislation would deal with any of these wants?

They want to not grow up in the "bad" part of town.
They want to not be followed in stores by staff.
They want their resume to stand on its own and not be negatively influenced by the name at the top.
They want a speeding ticket to be an annoyance, not a life-or-death situation.
They don't want to be a box to check off as a friend or lover.
They don't want to be 'they'.



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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4580 on: July 07, 2020, 09:55:24 AM »

I’m not even talking to that extreme.  If you are an overweight white woman with a couple of ankle tattoos, cutoff jean shorts, and a Roll Tide tank top you are probably being looked at a little harder if you walk into a high end store on Rodeo Drive.

Look, I might be wrong but I’ve thought for awhile people are more  prejudiced against what they perceive is your social class than your race.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4581 on: July 07, 2020, 09:59:24 AM »
So the BLM goals are directly quoted from an organization that is associated with? Interesting.

And yeah, I still think their not very organized. I think they can bring certain emotions to bear at times, but lack either control or coherence. If you feel they're a political force on par with the two parties, I just think that sounds like shadow puppets cast large on a wall to scare the children.

Whatever force it has is in being a vague idea, not much more than that.
If their not organized, then who are all of these corporations sending money too? I was watching something on one of the cable networks the other day (A&E I think, but not sure). They must have ran this commercial about 4 or 5 times in an hour where they stated that they were financially supporting various Black centered groups including BLM. So my question is, if they are sending them money, where is it going? There must me some kind of organization as they are collecting money. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4582 on: July 07, 2020, 10:02:23 AM »
OK, then, 14th Amendment, long time ago, so we already have equity and fairness.  Huh, problem solved and we didn't know it.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4583 on: July 07, 2020, 10:05:03 AM »
Right.  Minorities have the same rights and privileges as everyone else.  Cincy’s point is you can’t pass legislation that makes it illegal for a cop to be suspicious of a black person.  You can’t pass legislation that makes it illegal for a clerk at Macy’s to keep an eye on a black person.

Btw, those happenings aren’t unique to people of color.  There are plenty of white people walking around who would draw an extra look from a cop or store employee.
Sure, it is difficult, but it's hardly impossible. People are working on these things as we type. For example, in my jurisdiction there is a pretty big effort to identify and eliminate paths into the system for minorities. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4584 on: July 07, 2020, 10:07:09 AM »
You just can’t submit to facts when your narrative is challenged can you.  You throw a lot of data out there on COVID.  But when you see the written words of a political organization that is front and center you can only try to demean the messenger.

nice.  I see that a lot these days. 
No, I'm trying to clarify that BLM and M4BL are completely different organizations. Neither is "parent" nor "child" to each other. M4BL is a coalition with members from a lot of racial justice groups, including BLM, but it doesn't appear that either is "taking marching orders" from the other. 

Is BLM headed by some left-wing radicals? Yes, and if you want to impugn them, there are some things on their OWN website that you can point to. But they are not M4BL and M4BL is not their parent organization. Don't conflate the two like Acton did.  

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4585 on: July 07, 2020, 10:07:25 AM »
Sure, it is difficult, but it's hardly impossible. People are working on these things as we type. For example, in my jurisdiction there is a pretty big effort to identify and eliminate paths into the system for minorities.
I'm confused by this one Max. Can you elaborate?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4586 on: July 07, 2020, 10:08:34 AM »
No, I'm trying to clarify that BLM and M4BL are completely different organizations. Neither is "parent" nor "child" to each other. M4BL is a coalition with members from a lot of racial justice groups, including BLM, but it doesn't appear that either is "taking marching orders" from the other.

Is BLM headed by some left-wing radicals? Yes, and if you want to impugn them, there are some things on their OWN website that you can point to. But they are not M4BL and M4BL is not their parent organization. Don't conflate the two like Acton did. 

Oprah Winfrey Network? This is getting really confusing.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4587 on: July 07, 2020, 10:14:36 AM »
Sure, it is difficult, but it's hardly impossible. People are working on these things as we type. For example, in my jurisdiction there is a pretty big effort to identify and eliminate paths into the system for minorities.
What does that even mean?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4588 on: July 07, 2020, 10:57:14 AM »
I'm confused by this one Max. Can you elaborate?
Yes.  There is lots of research out there, but to summarize it broadly:

1. Minorities tend to be over represented in the criminal and juvenile justice system
2. They tend to be under represented in the more lenient aspects of the criminal and juvenile justice system (diversion, probation, etc.)
3. Contact with the criminal and juvenile justice system, especially incarceration, causes problems and worse outcomes for people down the road

So the effort has been to identify why this occurs.  For example, a mostly white suburb may have their own diversion program and youth can avoid the system entirely, while a youth in a predominantly black community would typically be referred directly to the system.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4589 on: July 07, 2020, 11:02:26 AM »
Can any of the BLM protester's demands be met with legislation?  

(Again, I am not talking about BLM itself.)

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4590 on: July 07, 2020, 11:35:21 AM »
Most black people are killed by: other black people. Not the police.

Blacks are only about 13% of the population, maybe less. Yet they commit about 52% of all homicides in the US. And 93% of all black homicide victims were killed by: other black people.

I think there is a poverty/class problem in this country, and people are miscategorizing it as racism. Reduction in poverty and giving people more opportunities in life tends to lead to reductions in crime and crime rates.

All this virtue signaling and sandbagging bullshit isn't helping anyone. If people really want to help blacks in this country, they ought to do something about improving education and job opportunities in the poor black inner cities, they ought to do something about the corrupt politicians (mostly all Democratic by the way) who run these cities into the ground, and they ought to do something about employers paying these people a living wage. Walmart for instance is the largest single employer in the US, yet doesn't pay it's workers an actual living wage. Walmart actually has programs where they teach their workers how to get on government programs to get aid to cover the shortfalls in their living expenses.

Just look at the millions of manufacturing and other US jobs that have been wiped out here and gone off to China, never to return. With the financialization of the US economy coinciding with American companies moving to China- US multinationals have made record amounts of money by exploiting China, and where has that record profit gone? In the hands of a very tiny % of executives and shareholders through stock repurchasing programs. The American worker has gotten virtually none of it.

The average CEO compensation for a Fortune 500 alone has grown about 1,000% since 1980. 1,000%. Typical worker compensation? 12%. It would take an average worker about 1,000 years of working to make what an average CEO makes in just one year.

This is the real problem. And the black people have probably been hit the hardest by this outsourcing spree. Cities like Detroit which have a huge black population thrived when those black people had decent, well paying jobs which gave them a livable wage. Look at Detroit now. It has lost basically all of it's manufacturing jobs. The state of Michigan lost 50% of all of it's manufacturing jobs from 2000-2010 alone.

Of course US multinationals will tweet black lives matter or virtue signal or do other meaningless PR stunts- because it will allow them to shift blame and not have to answer any questions. Jamie Dimon kneeling in front of a giant bank vault at a Chase bank was just too much. I literally broke out in laughter. These corporate people are complete ass clowns. And the masses fall for their bullshit hook line and sinker.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4591 on: July 07, 2020, 11:55:00 AM »
Good Post Mdot
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