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CWSooner

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3178 on: June 09, 2020, 07:25:20 PM »
Or, I didn't see it until just now.
Didn't see what?  Seriously, I don't understand your post.
I've pointed out this Motte-and-Bailey thing to you before.  You say something outrageous and hyperbolic.  Then you get challenged on it.  Then you retreat and say this other thing on the same subject that is merely argumentative and within the bounds of reason, and you say that is what you meant all along.

OAM: "All blue-eyed people are jackasses!"
Respondent: "How can you say that, as you don't know all blue-eyed people?"
OAM: "Joe Shit is blue-eyed and he's a jackass!  That's what I meant!"
Respondent: :banghead:
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3179 on: June 09, 2020, 07:27:24 PM »
Why would anyone ADD beans?  Beans are tolerated, and too many of them ruin it.  Beans in chili are like lettuce on a burger - I get it, and it's fine, but don't get crazy with it.
You're right on chili, wrong on burgers.  Lettuce is fine on burgers.  Not mandatory, but fine.

P.S. Let me add that this is merely my opinion.  But I did work at a great hamburger joint when I was in college, I got a lot of "Hamburger 1113" in the process.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3180 on: June 09, 2020, 07:33:58 PM »
Well, I think the chain goes like this:

  • Poverty reduces viable legal avenues for earning money.
  • Illicit avenues for earning money are lucrative, but carry significant risk [of violence].
  • The likelihood of choosing illicit avenues to earn money are related to the relative difference between the legal and illicit avenues.
  • Therefore, people more deeply in poverty are more likely to choose illicit avenues despite the risk.

That said, the dude in my fraternity house that was the "drug hookup" wasn't poor. We see it where well-off investment bankers end up insider trading, or you have Bernie Madoff Ponzi schemes because sometimes the illicit methods are just TOO juicy.

But I think that the reason that so many people in the inner cities turn to drugs and gangs is because they don't have other viable options.
Here's a bit of the evidence to the contrary to which I alluded.


It goes down during the Great Depression and goes up during the prosperous '60s.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3181 on: June 09, 2020, 07:37:07 PM »
Were statistics back then reliably kept?
are statistics now reliably kept?

will they be reliably kept in for the near future?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3182 on: June 09, 2020, 07:45:27 PM »
Public-employee unions are problematic in a way that private-sector unions are not.  Public employees' union dues go in part toward political contributions to the same people with whom they negotiate their pay and working rules.
are public unions really needed?

are the city, county, and state really treating employees that terribly that they require a union to fight for their rights?

do teachers, police, and road workers have terrible administration that would take advantage of them?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3183 on: June 09, 2020, 07:55:06 PM »
are public unions really needed?

are the city, county, and state really treating employees that terribly that they require a union to fight for their rights?

do teachers, police, and road workers have terrible administration that would take advantage of them?
Per my previous comment, there's a fundamental problem with public unions that tends to work against the public good.
I think teachers' unions are one of the impediments to real reform in public education.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3184 on: June 09, 2020, 08:08:21 PM »
some think police unions impede some things
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3185 on: June 09, 2020, 08:36:28 PM »
Just shaking my damn head...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/nyregion/who-is-martin-gugino-buffalo-police.html


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018

And the fun bit...

As an electrical engineer, let me say... That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.


I'm not aware of a cellphone on the market that can knock out the communication capacity of other electronics. It's one of the reasons that I don't have a problem with cellphones being left turned on on airplanes. I understand the concern, but I believe based upon my schooling and my further professional experience that it's 100% unfounded.

I used to scoff when Rob Ford was mayor of Toronto and wondered how people could vote for that guy.  Welp.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3186 on: June 09, 2020, 08:53:51 PM »
Didn't see what?  Seriously, I don't understand your post.
I've pointed out this Motte-and-Bailey thing to you before.  You say something outrageous and hyperbolic.  Then you get challenged on it.  Then you retreat and say this other thing on the same subject that is merely argumentative and within the bounds of reason, and you say that is what you meant all along.

OAM: "All blue-eyed people are jackasses!"
Respondent: "How can you say that, as you don't know all blue-eyed people?"
OAM: "Joe Shit is blue-eyed and he's a jackass!  That's what I meant!"
Respondent: :banghead:
You get bitchy when I don't respond in the time frame of your choosing.  Not sorry about that.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3187 on: June 09, 2020, 08:54:37 PM »
are public unions really needed?

are the city, county, and state really treating employees that terribly that they require a union to fight for their rights?

do teachers, police, and road workers have terrible administration that would take advantage of them?
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3188 on: June 09, 2020, 08:55:48 PM »
Here's a bit of the evidence to the contrary to which I alluded.


It goes down during the Great Depression and goes up during the prosperous '60s.
LMAO

Prosperous for who?  You're making a joke, right?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3189 on: June 09, 2020, 08:59:19 PM »
which brings us back to my original statement

you are accusing me of being a racist

you have no basis for this

if tou would feel differently thats your business but dont drag me down in the gutter with you
I'm not sure how I can put this politely.  
Umm....well first off, I haven't called you a racist.  You would know this because in my previous post of which you're responding to here, I linked us together.  See, I used the phrase "you or I", as in "we".  So if I'm calling you racist, then I'd be calling myself racist.

Do you believe that I think I'm racist?  And yes, I'm typing this in my mommy/teacher voice, where every sentence ends on a high note.  Because OMFG you're......something else.  Yeesh.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3190 on: June 09, 2020, 09:15:16 PM »
You get bitchy when I don't respond in the time frame of your choosing.  Not sorry about that.
I have no idea what you are talking about.  I don't care if you ever respond to one of my posts or not.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3191 on: June 09, 2020, 09:18:29 PM »
I just typed a long post about teaching and what kids need and what they do without it and how it aligns with what we're seeing out there today and lost the post.  Suuuuuper pissed.


CliffNotes version:
I've taught in Title 1 (poor) schools my whole career.
I assume whatever role is missing in each student's life - might be a listener, an encourager, a disciplinarian, affection, etc. - that's what I have to provide (along with teaching).
100% of the time a kid doesn't have any place or person they can turn to, they will act out in horrible ways.

The riots/looting is the same, exact thing.  Literally the only difference is their ages.  Not only do they feel like they have no one advocating for them, they have no hope of it in their future.  Riots and looting will happen FOREVER unless that portion of the population has hope or true advocacy, etc.

We can bicker and bitch at each other all day, but it doesn't change the fact that african americans are second class citizens in 2020.  Everyone knows they are.  And they shouldn't be, no one should. 
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