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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3164 on: June 09, 2020, 06:31:53 PM »
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3165 on: June 09, 2020, 06:34:23 PM »
Your words were:

"I fear if the racial aspect was removed, some of you would care more"

you are saying we dont care as much cause hes black which is calling us racists

if you didnt mean that then say so
Cool, I got to look back 6 pages to find this, to prove I'm not avoiding it.  What a fun thread.

So despite my already specifying it's not calling anyone racist, I guess me saying it again will help you believe me??  
A)  It's not racist to find things similar to yourself slightly more meaningful.  We all do it.  But some of us do it a tiny bit and some of us do it continually.  
Ex:  If a bunch of UNARMED white men were being murdered by cops, it would hit closer to home for white people.  That's not calling anyone racist, I deem it pretty much an easy given.  Unremarkable.

B)  Again, as I stated in the first post addressing this, it's about unarmed people being murdered by police.  If it was a mixture of white, latino, and black, I'm sure we'd all hold hands together in protest.  Maybe not, but it'd be more likely, wouldn't it?  


Now go ahead and tell me how I'm wrong and blah blah.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3166 on: June 09, 2020, 06:35:56 PM »
Why would anyone ADD beans?  Beans are tolerated, and too many of them ruin it.  Beans in chili are like lettuce on a burger - I get it, and it's fine, but don't get crazy with it.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3167 on: June 09, 2020, 06:38:27 PM »
I don't know that we every 100 percent will. But we're focusing on one that can in theory be changed by a level of collective action. The police should be answerable to their people.

Trying to solve the violence that comes with poverty, it's simply a worlds more complex problem, and that's saying something because some of the issues with police violence are plenty complex. That doesn't mean people haven't tried to solve it (not super effectively), or won't keep trying to solve it (though there is admittedly not much agreed upon path forward).
Do we have good statistical models on the "poverty causes increased violence" claim?  Or are there other factors involved?
I'm not asking rhetorically.  I think my 2nd question is closer to the mark, but I only have anecdotal evidence for that.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3168 on: June 09, 2020, 06:43:56 PM »
Cool, I got to look back 6 pages to find this, to prove I'm not avoiding it.  What a fun thread.

So despite my already specifying it's not calling anyone racist, I guess me saying it again will help you believe me?? 
A)  It's not racist to find things similar to yourself slightly more meaningful.  We all do it.  But some of us do it a tiny bit and some of us do it continually. 
Ex:  If a bunch of UNARMED white men were being murdered by cops, it would hit closer to home for white people.  That's not calling anyone racist, I deem it pretty much an easy given.  Unremarkable.

B)  Again, as I stated in the first post addressing this, it's about unarmed people being murdered by police.  If it was a mixture of white, latino, and black, I'm sure we'd all hold hands together in protest.  Maybe not, but it'd be more likely, wouldn't it? 


Now go ahead and tell me how I'm wrong and blah blah.
what mystifies me is why you feel the need to say this

no one here has even remotely suggested that this wasnt a horrible act

what more can we say to convince you that everyone here wants the police officer involved prosecuted

why feel the need to say if it was a white guy murdered we would feel differently

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3169 on: June 09, 2020, 06:50:42 PM »
The quality education part would help put a stop to economic injustice. I wish that would be the primary focus, moving forward. It solves a lot of problems.
A human problem rears its head when we say "better schools" is the solution.
The better schools need to be in the most violent part of the city.
Teachers are humans, and most teachers would rather teach in a safer school to students whose parents support the idea of their children getting a good education.  So, to the extent that teachers can vote with their feet, they find jobs in in schools that are not in the middle of combat zones.
Better schools are certainly part of the solution.  But getting better schools in a poor, dangerous neighborhood is easier said than done, despite all good intentions of state legislators, school boards, superintendents, et. al.
Of course, some teachers like the challenge of teaching in dangerous schools in distressed areas.  Maybe OAM is one of those, as I believe he has said he teaches on an Indian reservation.
I'm not one of those.  I did that thing for 8 years, and every Sunday evening during the school year I got physically ill thinking of the week to come.  It was worse than anything I did in 20 years in the Army.  Boot camp, Jump School, Ranger School, Flight School.  All far more pleasant and rewarding than teaching in an inner-city middle school where the punishment for telling a teacher that you're going to get your dad to punch his lights out is that you get to skip that teacher's class for the rest of the week.  Worse if the kid in question is a good football or basketball player.
It took 8 years for me to realize that it wasn't going to get better, then I voted with my feet.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3170 on: June 09, 2020, 06:54:22 PM »
Do we have good statistical models on the "poverty causes increased violence" claim?  Or are there other factors involved?
I'm not asking rhetorically.  I think my 2nd question is closer to the mark, but I only have anecdotal evidence for that.
Well, I think the chain goes like this:

  • Poverty reduces viable legal avenues for earning money.
  • Illicit avenues for earning money are lucrative, but carry significant risk [of violence].
  • The likelihood of choosing illicit avenues to earn money are related to the relative difference between the legal and illicit avenues.
  • Therefore, people more deeply in poverty are more likely to choose illicit avenues despite the risk.

That said, the dude in my fraternity house that was the "drug hookup" wasn't poor. We see it where well-off investment bankers end up insider trading, or you have Bernie Madoff Ponzi schemes because sometimes the illicit methods are just TOO juicy. 

But I think that the reason that so many people in the inner cities turn to drugs and gangs is because they don't have other viable options.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3171 on: June 09, 2020, 06:58:30 PM »

But I think that the reason that so many people in the inner cities turn to drugs and gangs is because they don't have other viable options.


Well said.

This, AND they have no hope of viable options on the horizon.  AND they have kids who see this behavior and mimic it, as we all tend to do.
Thus the cycle.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3172 on: June 09, 2020, 07:00:13 PM »
what mystifies me is why you feel the need to say this

no one here has even remotely suggested that this wasnt a horrible act 

what more can we say to convince you that everyone here wants the police officer involved prosecuted  I don't doubt this, where have I ever questioned this?

why feel the need to say if it was a white guy murdered we would feel differently
Because pretending you or I wouldn't is a lie.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3173 on: June 09, 2020, 07:05:53 PM »
Because pretending you or I wouldn't is a lie. 
which brings us back to my original statement 

you are accusing me of being a racist

you have no basis for this

if tou would feel differently thats your business but dont drag me down in the gutter with you
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3174 on: June 09, 2020, 07:06:09 PM »
Just shaking my damn head...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/nyregion/who-is-martin-gugino-buffalo-police.html


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018

And the fun bit...


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POTUS' tweet seems to have been based on a report by One America News Network, a right-wing cable television channel, which claimed that Mr. Gugino had been trying to knock out the police officers’ radios with his cellphone — an idea that several of Mr. Gugino’s friends dismissed as ludicrous.
As an electrical engineer, let me say... That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. 


I'm not aware of a cellphone on the market that can knock out the communication capacity of other electronics. It's one of the reasons that I don't have a problem with cellphones being left turned on on airplanes. I understand the concern, but I believe based upon my schooling and my further professional experience that it's 100% unfounded.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3175 on: June 09, 2020, 07:11:51 PM »
I don't know, I assume it was lower.  Less people, fewer guns.

But you bring that up....segregation when it was the rule was bad.  But segregation when it's supposedly illegal is worse, no?
Fewer people, sure. But that doesn't affect "rate."  Housing density was probably greater, since "projects" are nearly always built to reduce residential density.
Fewer guns?  I don't know if that's the case.  But let's assume that it is.  Are you asserting "fewer guns = lower murder rate"?  Sometimes it works the other way around.  In any event, it's far more complex than using just one variable would imply.
I haven't really done an analysis of whether de facto segregation is worse than de jure segregation.  They both are bad.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3176 on: June 09, 2020, 07:17:53 PM »
https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/arts-culture/techwood-homes
I'd say, "There goes the Law of Unintended Consequences" again, except I doubt that they were unintended.  They often aren't.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3177 on: June 09, 2020, 07:20:21 PM »
Do we have good statistical models on the "poverty causes increased violence" claim?  Or are there other factors involved?
I'm not asking rhetorically.  I think my 2nd question is closer to the mark, but I only have anecdotal evidence for that.
This I cannot say. I know they tend to pair. 

I can draw some logical reasons, but I don't have any models. It would be interesting if poverty followed violence.

 

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