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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7784 on: August 30, 2020, 09:52:20 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 30, 2020, 09:18:10 PM
No matter how radical you THINK Biden or Democrats are, they're nowhere near the absurdities Trump & Co. are putting out there.  It's like cartoony silliness. 


It's hard to respect people when they can't tell they're being pandered to or fear-mongered in such a way. 
just keep telling yourself that OAM

you should have gotten a better candidate cause this one will go down faster then the Titanic
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7785 on: August 30, 2020, 09:55:02 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 30, 2020, 07:15:32 PM
If bad policies are ineffective, why is the answer to have no policies?  Why not better policies? 

when is the last time a better policy succeeded?
the Government doesn't succeed for many bad reasons
ok, maybe in a small way the school lunch program succeeded in providing meals to underprivileged children


what about adults?  you know, the folks that should be providing for their children 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7786 on: August 31, 2020, 08:43:22 AM »
If the answer is to have better policies, why don't we have them?  I think by definition a bad policy is worse than no policy at all.  Ergo, bad policies should be stopped.

Period.

Now, if we want to try new policies that may be good, fine with me.  But stop any known bad policy.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7787 on: August 31, 2020, 08:45:46 AM »
One common theme I see on social media and of course the site here down south a ways is that if we elect A, the world as we know it will be shattered beyond recovery.  The other side of course claims that about B.

I recall hearing the same thing about Obama, and Bush, most important election in our lifetime.

And yet we're still here, as a country.  I suspect whoever wins, in 4 years or 8, we'll still be around, maybe not like you'd like, but we won't be somehow beyond recognition.  The FFs made it tough to make substantive change without a lot of agreement.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7788 on: August 31, 2020, 08:55:49 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 31, 2020, 08:43:22 AM
If the answer is to have better policies, why don't we have them?  I think by definition a bad policy is worse than no policy at all.  Ergo, bad policies should be stopped.
At a federal Level I have to believe the polls are almost rigged by big money special interests left & right.C'mon Joe Biden,Donald Trump,Nancy Pelosi how'd any of these stewed newts get nominated much less elected?I would invite none of them to dinner nor would I accept an invitation from them.As 94 says - I weep for the future
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7789 on: August 31, 2020, 09:00:22 AM »
I'm speaking in theory.  If a policy is bad, it should be ended, period, even if we have no substitute for it.  SHOULD is the operative term.

I'm speaking to folks who think a bad policy should be retained if there is nothing better out there.  I disagree.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7790 on: August 31, 2020, 09:02:42 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 30, 2020, 09:18:10 PM
No matter how radical you THINK Biden or Democrats are, they're nowhere near the absurdities Trump & Co. are putting out there.  It's like cartoony silliness. 

What in your view is the very worst thing Trump is putting out there, verbiage aside?  I mean not what he says, but what he has done, or not done, or even promises to do.

I agree his verbiage is "singular".
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7791 on: August 31, 2020, 09:07:00 AM »
If we have policymakers such as them there will be nothing but problems IMO - drain the freakin' swamp
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7792 on: August 31, 2020, 09:34:24 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 31, 2020, 08:43:22 AM
If the answer is to have better policies, why don't we have them?  I think by definition a bad policy is worse than no policy at all.  Ergo, bad policies should be stopped.

Period.

Now, if we want to try new policies that may be good, fine with me.  But stop any known bad policy.
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 31, 2020, 09:00:22 AM
I'm speaking in theory.  If a policy is bad, it should be ended, period, even if we have no substitute for it.  SHOULD is the operative term.

I'm speaking to folks who think a bad policy should be retained if there is nothing better out there.  I disagree.
Ok, if you find a policy that is entirely bad, then let's scrap it. 

The problem is that it's rarely that simple. All policies have intended consequences (the good things they're supposed to do) and unintended consequences (the negative things that occur due to the distortions created by the intended consequences). 

What many of us complain about is the unintended consequences of specific policies, and that's why we call them "bad". But that doesn't mean the policies are 100% bad, or even "on net" bad. Throwing them out wholesale may get rid of the bad unintended consequences, but perhaps giving up the good from those policies would make things worse. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7793 on: August 31, 2020, 09:35:58 AM »
Yup, that is why I was speaking in theory.  I do think the ethanol for gasoline is pretty much 99.999% bad.

And we can't end that one.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7794 on: August 31, 2020, 09:42:37 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 31, 2020, 08:55:49 AM
At a federal Level I have to believe the polls are almost rigged by big money special interests left & right.C'mon Joe Biden,Donald Trump,Nancy Pelosi how'd any of these stewed newts get nominated much less elected?I would invite none of them to dinner nor would I accept an invitation from them.As 94 says - I weep for the future
Pelosi - has been in the house since 1987
Biden - been in the senate since 1973

weep for the past while you're weeping
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7795 on: August 31, 2020, 09:43:54 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 31, 2020, 09:35:58 AM
Yup, that is why I was speaking in theory.  I do think the ethanol for gasoline is pretty much 99.999% bad.

And we can't end that one.
Iowa corn growers and Ethanol employees would make up more than 0.001%
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7796 on: August 31, 2020, 09:54:27 AM »
The EPA a decade back MANDATED that we have cellulosic ethanol by now in gasoline.  MANDATED.  My buddies and I got interested and looked into CE and concluded "Well, this is unlikely to happen in reality.  What does the EPA do then?"

The EPA apparently has ignored their own mandate.  A couple of small plants tried to start up making CE and had to shut down, it's not technologically feasible, never has been, except on a pilot demonstration scale.

So, we still have corn based ethanol, not CE, even in Brazil where we thought there was a chance it might work.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7797 on: August 31, 2020, 10:12:40 AM »
wind power incentives in the same boat?

just a great way for Warren Buffet to make a few coins?
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