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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7728 on: August 30, 2020, 01:48:08 PM »
fair enough but we dont incorporate neo Nazis crap in our platform

No not all Democrats are Marxists just the party leaders

and why in the world would Biden pick a VP candidate from California

what an idiot move the dems are getting California anyway

He should have picked a candidate from a toss up state
This is like a list of cliches.  Fun.


Your first couple of lines do make for an interesting conversation, though.  Should politicians or parties pay attention to the groups of people they attract?  Let's say Trump isn't racist.  Should he be concerned if a bunch of racists support him?  Is that out of his hands?  Should he be quiet about it and just benefit from their votes?  You can ask the same questions about Marxists on the other side, although that ideology isn't exactly on par with racism.  

I'm not sure how I feel about it.  I know I wouldn't feel very good about attracting unsavories to my side of things.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7729 on: August 30, 2020, 01:49:08 PM »
OK.  Cite the posts.
I've probably made as many posts as anyone on the subject of term limits and I have certainly not focused my criticism on Nancy Pelosi.
I will await your motte-and-bailey defense.
I said colleagues - friends out in the world, not people on this forum.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7730 on: August 30, 2020, 01:50:00 PM »
I think you're probably right on the Dems and fear you are wrong on the Repubs.
I certainly used to think it was 1-2% fringe, until the Donald showed up.  Now I fear it's the 30% of voters he couldn't lose if he tried.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7731 on: August 30, 2020, 01:50:52 PM »
2.  Avoiding a bad pick--think "Sarah Palin" (whom I liked at the time)--is more important than trying to get a great pick.

What did you like about her?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7732 on: August 30, 2020, 01:52:43 PM »
I think you're probably right on the Dems and fear you are wrong on the Repubs.
Oh you can be mildly racist without being Neo Nazi.  I'd be surprised if even 1% of Republican voters were radical enough to be considered Neo Nazi, but I think the number of mildly racist Republican voters is certainly much higher than 1-2%.  

Of course, there are also racists voting Democrat, it's not a uniquely Republican thing.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7733 on: August 30, 2020, 01:54:02 PM »
This is like a list of cliches.  Fun.


Your first couple of lines do make for an interesting conversation, though.  Should politicians or parties pay attention to the groups of people they attract?  Let's say Trump isn't racist.  Should he be concerned if a bunch of racists support him?  Is that out of his hands?  Should he be quiet about it and just benefit from their votes?  You can ask the same questions about Marxists on the other side, although that ideology isn't exactly on par with racism.

I don't know which ideology is responsible for more human suffering, but I wouldn't uphold Marxism as some great alternative to racism.

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I'm not sure how I feel about it.  I know I wouldn't feel very good about attracting unsavories to my side of things.

It's not a hypothetical.  You've got "unsavories" on your side of things.  Plenty of 'em.  How do you feel about it?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7734 on: August 30, 2020, 01:55:36 PM »
Oh you can be mildly racist without being Neo Nazi.  I'd be surprised if even 1% of Republican voters were radical enough to be considered Neo Nazi, but I think the number of mildly racist Republican voters is certainly much higher than 1-2%. 

Of course, there are also racists voting Democrat, it's not a uniquely Republican thing.
I guess it depends on who's doing the labeling, lol.  If someone is racist, I don't think it much matters if they're a Neo-Nazi.  The end result is the same problematic thinking.


Agreeing that being racist is bad, do you not feel that a minority being racist is a little more understandable than a white person being racist? 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7735 on: August 30, 2020, 01:56:55 PM »
I certainly used to think it was 1-2% fringe, until the Donald showed up.  Now I fear it's the 30% of voters he couldn't lose if he tried.
That's my thinking too.  I don't know if it's 30% or not, but I'm sure that it's way, way too big a number.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7736 on: August 30, 2020, 01:57:01 PM »
I don't know which ideology is responsible for more human suffering, but I wouldn't uphold Marxism as some great alternative to racism.

It's not a hypothetical.  You've got "unsavories" on your side of things.  Plenty of 'em.  How do you feel about it?

Which is my side?  Am I running for office?  

Don't be nice to me in private and then shit on my every post.  I'm asking genuine questions in a nice way.  And you're just in attack mode from the start.  Chill.  Converse.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7737 on: August 30, 2020, 02:03:05 PM »
I guess it depends on who's doing the labeling, lol.  If someone is racist, I don't think it much matters if they're a Neo-Nazi.  The end result is the same problematic thinking.


Agreeing that being racist is bad, do you not feel that a minority being racist is a little more understandable than a white person being racist? 
I think degrees of racism actually do matter.  Active racists are worse than passive racists who are worse than non-racists.

And I disagree with all forms bigotry, racism included but not exclusive.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7738 on: August 30, 2020, 02:07:07 PM »
Oh you can be mildly racist without being Neo Nazi.  I'd be surprised if even 1% of Republican voters were radical enough to be considered Neo Nazi, but I think the number of mildly racist Republican voters is certainly much higher than 1-2%.

Members of organized neo-Nazi organizations are probably fewer than 1%.  But there a lot of fellow-travelers under the labels of alt-right, white nationalists, anti-Zionists, Q-Anon believers, anti-Kamala Harris birthers, the plain old KKK, etc.  I don't know if they constitute 30% of Trump's base, but they constitute too much of it.

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Of course, there are also racists voting Democrat, it's not a uniquely Republican thing.
Yes, there are.  Until Trump came along, I was convinced that the Democrats were still the more racist party, just as they had been for the first 130 years of their existence.  I think that the Democrats are still riddled with the paternalistic sort of racism displayed by Ruth Bader-Ginsberg when she said that SCOTUS had to keep abortion legal to keep too many black babies from being born.  And displayed by rhetoric implying that black Americans are too stupid to wake up in the morning without some agent from the government coming around and setting their alarm clocks for them.
I often wonder what past black leaders--great Americans like Frederick Douglass--would say about today's welfare-state Democrats.  Even in his own time, he was saying that the government should leave black people alone--stop hurting, stop helping, "just leave us alone."
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7739 on: August 30, 2020, 02:09:33 PM »
I think degrees of racism actually do matter.  Active racists are worse than passive racists who are worse than non-racists.

And I disagree with all forms bigotry, racism included but not exclusive.
Are there not passive neo-Nazis?  I don't understand this.  Passive racism is still damaging.  Passive racists vote (privately).  Passive racists have kids.  Is that "better" than going out and lynching someone?  Yeah, I guess so, but when you take into account the number of people in each subset, millions of passive racists are much more damaging than a handful of active ones, no?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7740 on: August 30, 2020, 02:10:03 PM »
Which is my side?  Am I running for office? 

Don't be nice to me in private and then shit on my every post.  I'm asking genuine questions in a nice way.  And you're just in attack mode from the start.  Chill.  Converse.
I'm not shitting on you.  I'm disagreeing with you.  Civilly.  I'm not calling you names, insulting your ancestry or any other form of insult.  I'm just disagreeing.
I assume your side is somewhere left of center.  Am I wrong about that?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7741 on: August 30, 2020, 02:10:58 PM »
I'd like to see some posts on solutions to racial inequity. Is that too much to ask?
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