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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7742 on: August 30, 2020, 02:11:27 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on August 30, 2020, 02:07:07 PM
great Americans like Frederick Douglass--would say about today's welfare-state Democrats.  Even in his own time, he was saying that the government should leave black people alone--stop hurting, stop helping, "just leave us alone."
Umm, of that attention, what % do you think was help and what % was hurt?  That time might as well have been another planet compared to today.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7743 on: August 30, 2020, 02:12:53 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 30, 2020, 02:10:58 PM
I'd like to see some posts on solutions to racial inequity. Is that too much to ask?
It's too much to ask if you deny systematic racism.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7744 on: August 30, 2020, 02:13:09 PM »
just remember the immortal words of the Great One

If you vote for Trump then you aint Black

impressive
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7745 on: August 30, 2020, 02:15:56 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 30, 2020, 01:50:52 PM
What did you like about her?
She had a great personal story.  Not quite so great on closer inspection.
She was attractive, articulate, and forceful.
She was smarter than Joe Biden (admittedly a very low bar), her opposite number.  I thought that she could be a prettier Margaret Thatcher.
But it turned out that she was politically lazy.  She wasn't up to speed on national issues, and she wouldn't work to learn more about them.  It turned out she was more interested in being a celebrity than being a serious politician on a bigger stage than small-town Alaska.
She was a very bad choice.
The media were unfair to her, of course, as they have been unfair to every Republican in my lifetime.  But even without that, she was a very bad choice.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7746 on: August 30, 2020, 02:21:22 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 30, 2020, 02:11:27 PM
Umm, of that attention, what % do you think was help and what % was hurt?  That time might as well have been another planet compared to today.
I don't know.  Depends on when exactly he was writing.  If it was during Reconstruction, the federal help might have been outweighing the states' hurts.  Afterwards, it would have been the other way around.
To your last point, I think that many well-intended policies today do more harm than good by trapping poor people (disproportionately black) into generational poverty in which they are perpetually dependent upon government assistance.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7747 on: August 30, 2020, 02:41:21 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on August 30, 2020, 02:21:22 PM
I don't know.  Depends on when exactly he was writing.  If it was during Reconstruction, the federal help might have been outweighing the states' hurts.  Afterwards, it would have been the other way around.
To your last point, I think that many well-intended policies today do more harm than good by trapping poor people (disproportionately black) into generational poverty in which they are perpetually dependent upon government assistance.
That's fair. 
I think the challenge is that help can only come from 'the people' and the government can't just wait around and hope for that to happen.  

Almost like you have $5 in your hand and there's a homeless person outside a restaurant.  You know giving them the money probably won't genuinely help....do you wait around, hoping someone give them some food (actual help) from the restaurant or do you just give them the $5?  You don't want to walk away, but you don't want to stay and look like a jerk.  

What does a government do when the only genuine help and the path towards equality can only be provided by the people?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7748 on: August 30, 2020, 02:42:09 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on August 30, 2020, 02:21:22 PM

To your last point, I think that many well-intended policies today do more harm than good by trapping poor people (disproportionately black) into generational poverty in which they are perpetually dependent upon government assistance.
CW we agree completely on this

It surprises me you hold this viewpoint 

I think its possible your a closet Republican just waiting to be free

Come on out of the closet CW

now if you would just quit shitting on me Id appreciate it
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7749 on: August 30, 2020, 02:44:22 PM »
^ help from the people looking like the current inequities


The idea of a minority not wanting to be followed by the store clerk around the store BUT a higher % of thieves are minorities in that store BUT the minority can't get a good job due to things outside of their control BUT BUT BUT


Chicken or egg situation.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7750 on: August 30, 2020, 02:45:13 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 30, 2020, 02:41:21 PM
That's fair.
I think the challenge is that help can only come from 'the people' and the government can't just wait around and hope for that to happen. 

Almost like you have $5 in your hand and there's a homeless person outside a restaurant.  You know giving them the money probably won't genuinely help....do you wait around, hoping someone give them some food (actual help) from the restaurant or do you just give them the $5?  You don't want to walk away, but you don't want to stay and look like a jerk. 

What does a government do when the only genuine help and the path towards equality can only be provided by the people?
what ever happened to the give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish solution
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7751 on: August 30, 2020, 02:48:49 PM »
That relies on 'the people' - aka hiring someone who's last name is Jackson as often as it's Schmidt when their resumes are otherwise equal.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7752 on: August 30, 2020, 03:01:06 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 30, 2020, 02:48:49 PM
That relies on 'the people' - aka hiring someone who's last name is Jackson as often as it's Schmidt when their resumes are otherwise equal. 
yep gotta watch those Jacksons
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7753 on: August 30, 2020, 03:08:35 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on August 30, 2020, 01:22:54 PM
Could you explain?  I don't understand the bolded sentence.
D'oh. It means I was typing too fast. Basically saying if you're saying GW and the current set are on the same message, that seems not correct. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7754 on: August 30, 2020, 03:08:48 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on August 30, 2020, 02:42:09 PM
CW we agree completely on this

It surprises me you hold this viewpoint

I think its possible your a closet Republican just waiting to be free

Come on out of the closet CW
I've been a Republican since I first registered to vote in 1972, 320.
Through thick and thin.
I want opportunities to be open to all Americans.  Like Badge and others here, I think that the private sector, not the federal government, is the best means of making that happen.
Only in the last four years have I had reason to question my political allegiance.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7755 on: August 30, 2020, 03:10:56 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 30, 2020, 03:08:35 PM
D'oh. It means I was typing too fast. Basically saying if you're saying GW and the current set are on the same message, that seems not correct.
Heh!  I thought you were implying the opposite, but it didn't seem to fit with the rest of your post.
No, I don't think W. and Donald Trump have much in common, personally or politically.
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