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Kris60

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3038 on: June 08, 2020, 11:34:21 PM »
This is a false equivalency. One has nothing to do with the other. We are talking about two completely separate issues.

Police are supposed to be held to a higher standard than your ordinary citizen. They are there to serve and protect. It’s suppose to be a form of public service. They have great power, and with great power comes great responsibility.

You sort of expect drug gangs to murder one another for no reason. You don’t expect the police to be murdering people for no reason.
And they largely do serve and protect.  Look, we all agree that when it comes to death or harm at the hand of a cop that any number above zero is too many but how often are cops really murdering people for no reason?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3039 on: June 08, 2020, 11:58:50 PM »
Mrs. 847 and I discussed that tonight.

Chicago saw its deadliest weekend on record, just now. Where is Jesse? Where is Al? Apparently black lives don't matter when there is black on black violence.

I have no words. I would like answers. NOW.
I mean, the simple answer is you protest against government that isn't working in a manner you think it should. You don't protest against street violence because it is not in theory answerable to the public at large. 

I know Al made a series of efforts, none of which has worked. I have no idea on Jesse, though I assume his son tired some things, which also didn't work. I'd assume part of it is that neither man is particularly good at stopping violence, which is why both are more of figureheads or charlatans who I don't take all that seriously. 

In the end, cycles of poverty and violence, the challenge with socializing people out of insular places they grew, these problems are massive and in many instances intractable. High investment in policing hasn't helped. Sets of programs haven't worked. It's a thing folks need to keep working on. 

But in the end, the black on black violence is a commonly used distraction. The people doing that killing are not people who answer to the public at large. It's a tragedy, but one that has to be met with different, less-direct actions. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3040 on: June 09, 2020, 12:10:46 AM »


But in the end, the black on black violence is a commonly used distraction. The people doing that killing are not people who answer to the public at large. It's a tragedy, but one that has to be met with different, less-direct actions.
not all black lives matter

the only black lives that matter is any that were killed by the police

Chicago had 18 black men die in one day from black on black crime but I guess since the police were not involved they didnt matter
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3041 on: June 09, 2020, 12:58:03 AM »
not all black lives matter

the only black lives that matter is any that were killed by the police

Chicago had 18 black men die in one day from black on black crime but I guess since the police were not involved they didnt matter
They matter plenty. Deaths are tragedies, though I suppose if some of them died at the hands of police, they'd be labeled bad guys. 

But in the end, it's a distraction. If something galls you, there are many other things that could also gall you. But it does not make this particular thing galling you illegitimate.

Shoot, in the 1960s, I'm sure malnutrition was an issue in black communities in the south. But weirdly we remember the people who fought for the right to vote rather than the people who ignored hungry kids. 

(The backing of police is sometimes odd to me. It's basically the ultimate faith in the government, usually from people who seem least interested in trusting the government. Oh well.)

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3042 on: June 09, 2020, 01:23:40 AM »
Sorry, I refuse to believe that being direct and efficient with my words is impolite.
But you have posted several times that you don't understand why people keep misconstruing what you mean just because you don't make it clear that you are just stating your opinion and not asserting fact.
Communication takes two--the sender and the recipient.  If the recipients keep misunderstanding what you as the sender mean to say, perhaps the problem is more with what you are sending than how they are receiving it.
That seems quite clear to me.  But you will keep on thinking that it's everybody else's fault and not yours.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3043 on: June 09, 2020, 01:25:16 AM »
OAM were you born a jackass or did you kinda grow into one
320: You may be another one of the many who just misunderstand OAM for some reason.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3044 on: June 09, 2020, 01:39:08 AM »
I mean, the simple answer is you protest against government that isn't working in a manner you think it should. You don't protest against street violence because it is not in theory answerable to the public at large.

I know Al made a series of efforts, none of which has worked. I have no idea on Jesse, though I assume his son tired some things, which also didn't work. I'd assume part of it is that neither man is particularly good at stopping violence, which is why both are more of figureheads or charlatans who I don't take all that seriously.

In the end, cycles of poverty and violence, the challenge with socializing people out of insular places they grew, these problems are massive and in many instances intractable. High investment in policing hasn't helped. Sets of programs haven't worked. It's a thing folks need to keep working on.

But in the end, the black on black violence is a commonly used distraction. The people doing that killing are not people who answer to the public at large. It's a tragedy, but one that has to be met with different, less-direct actions.
Is "Al" the Rev. Sharpton?  Has he tried to stop violence at any point?  Last time I paid attention to him, he was siccing his mob on the Jews of Crown Heights.  And then before that was the Tawana Brawley hoax.

I know I'm just hitting on his high (or is it low?) points, but, seriously, has he done any good works?  I know he's been fined several times for not paying his taxes.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3045 on: June 09, 2020, 06:45:23 AM »
It’s drug gangs in poverty stricken neighborhoods snuffing each other out. It should not be tolerated, but it’s kinda sorta to be expected. Chicago went through this sort of shit during the prohibition of alcohol. There was this guy named Al Capone, who was murdering his opponents in the alcohol bootleg game on a daily basis. Ever heard of him?
When was the public rioting burning buildings/police vehicles for or against Al Capone.I'm fairly certain what would have happened if looters headed into Big Al's neighborhood,the Police would have been the least of their problems.They used the Chicago Typewriter on a daily bases.Ever here of it?And that's where this may/will be headed your damn lucky that wasn't your business.
 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3046 on: June 09, 2020, 08:18:56 AM »
This is a false equivalency. One has nothing to do with the other. We are talking about two completely separate issues.

Police are supposed to be held to a higher standard than your ordinary citizen. They are there to serve and protect. It’s suppose to be a form of public service. They have great power, and with great power comes great responsibility.

You sort of expect drug gangs to murder one another for no reason. You don’t expect the police to be murdering people for no reason.
I understand that they are not equal, but the sheer number of killings in Chicago alone should bring outrage.

It doesn't, and that's disturbing.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3047 on: June 09, 2020, 08:20:53 AM »
Humans adjust quickly to whatever is "normal".  If blacks killing blacks in an area is "normal", no one bats an eye.  

I think "we" also tend to over react to the abnormal.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3048 on: June 09, 2020, 08:25:16 AM »
I know Al made a series of efforts, none of which has worked. I have no idea on Jesse, though I assume his son tired some things, which also didn't work. I'd assume part of it is that neither man is particularly good at stopping violence, which is why both are more of figureheads or charlatans who I don't take all that seriously.  
I'd like to see a list of what they've done to fight violence. Because from what I've seen, up close, is nothing. Jesse's son may have thought about trying to help - from his jail cell. The only thing he was thinking of when he held office was himself.

Giving people free shit and food stamps has not helped anyone long term, yet their elected leaders keep doing the same things. Insanity, ya know?

Giving people a good education and good jobs would help most. But...
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3049 on: June 09, 2020, 08:29:05 AM »
Voters like flowery language and the appearance of fixing something, and that is just what politicians vie to provide.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3050 on: June 09, 2020, 08:42:57 AM »
320: You may be another one of the many who just misunderstand OAM for some reason.
nope I speak jackass fluently as Ive been surrounded by them all my life
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3051 on: June 09, 2020, 08:43:48 AM »
Just read an editorial in the Trib that talked about the state requiring licensing for police officers. It's required for barbers, nurses and engineers, so why not cops? Make it a licensed profession and you'd see more accountability. I like it.
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