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Topic: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2142 on: August 21, 2019, 03:06:48 PM »
Yup, volcanic eruptions of any size exert a cooling effect, often serious.  The amount of CO2 involved is relatively slight.


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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2143 on: August 22, 2019, 10:14:12 AM »
This airport is always packed, ATL.  We got here early, still packed.  Kids, dogs, Dawgs, cats, giraffes ...

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2144 on: August 22, 2019, 11:35:10 AM »
The whole pet thing on airplanes really pisses me off. The fake "support pet" thing pisses me off even more.

I'm f'ing allergic to pets. Almost all of them.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2145 on: August 22, 2019, 11:43:20 AM »
Don't ever get on a bus in Mexico, then...


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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2146 on: August 22, 2019, 11:54:33 AM »
Our civilization popped up in a flash as far as geologic time frames are concerned. Effectively, we did [looks around] literally everything in an interregnum between ice ages.

Here's a question:

One day an ice age will return. Assuming it happens with a society more like ours than one that could leave the planet or employ other outlandish strategies, how would we respond? What percentage would migrate? How would we feed ourselves? I imagine far more people would die from hunger than from exposure.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2147 on: August 22, 2019, 11:57:13 AM »
Don't ever get on a bus in Mexico, then...


Why on God's green earth would I ever even consider such a thing? I don't even get on busses here.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2148 on: August 22, 2019, 01:09:19 PM »
The Travel Bug and all,expanding your horizons and worldly experiences,seeing how the other half lives
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2149 on: August 22, 2019, 01:11:12 PM »
Why on God's green earth would I ever even consider such a thing? I don't even get on busses here.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2150 on: August 22, 2019, 01:14:34 PM »
I walk a lot. I drive my car and boat simply to maintain my carbon footprint.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2151 on: August 22, 2019, 01:35:44 PM »
Our civilization popped up in a flash as far as geologic time frames are concerned. Effectively, we did [looks around] literally everything in an interregnum between ice ages.


Hmm, "geologic time" lol ;-) 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2152 on: August 22, 2019, 02:09:52 PM »
One day an ice age will return. Assuming it happens with a society more like ours than one that could leave the planet or employ other outlandish strategies, how would we respond? What percentage would migrate? How would we feed ourselves? I imagine far more people would die from hunger than from exposure.
The biggest question, as I see it, is how quickly an ice age comes on? 

As you state, "human civilization" is basically ~10,000 years old. But human technology has basically expanded exponentially during that time. We can restrict "civilization" to largely starting with the Sumerians, 6000 years ago. The Chinese can draw back ~5000 years. We get closer with "western" civilization perhaps starting with the Greeks, 3000 years ago. Continue through the Romans, and then the dark ages, and I'd say we don't get all that close to anything even approaching "modern" until at least the Enlightenment. That was the rise of the study of natural history and modern science. So we're down to 400 years or so.

The true technological age that we recognize is maybe 400 years. Only the last 100 or so would be what we even consider truly "modern" when it comes to mobility [automobile/locomotive/air travel] and communication [telegraph/telephone/radio/TV/internet]. 

If we were to "plunge" into an ice age, on the scale of within 25 years, I think humanity would be well and truly f$&#@d. Over a time span that short, the displacement of people would cause incredible demographic and geopolitical strife, and I think it would cause war and desolation. 

However, let's say that an ice age takes 200 years to really form? In that case, I don't think it's anything we're worried about. We'll either have more than sufficient technology to adapt to the changing climate over that time, or we'll have killed ourselves off through more conventional means (nukes, Skynet/Matrix-style AI, bioterrorism, gray goo, etc) and won't be here to worry about it. 

A quick googles search of "how long does it take an ice age to form" was inconclusive, but I suspect it's a more gradual process than the premise of your question supposes. 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2153 on: August 22, 2019, 02:23:04 PM »
That is a key question. I have no idea. Granted, if a volcanic event sparked an ice age ...

Another key question, even then, is the definition of "f$&#@d." I wouldn't favor worries about extinction. Just ... pain.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2154 on: August 22, 2019, 02:27:21 PM »
Another key question, even then, is the definition of "f$&#@d." I wouldn't favor worries about extinction. Just ... pain.
Well, it depends. My point is that if it comes on suddenly, the worry isn't the ice age. The worry is what we all do to each other while we fight over the rapidly scarce resources. We have some incredible technology for destruction, and who's to say that it wouldn't be unleashed?

Add an ice age to a nuclear winter and thus high doses of radiation, and yeah, maybe not extinction. Maybe the X-Men movies just become reality ;-) 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #2155 on: August 22, 2019, 02:35:19 PM »
Unfortunately I don't think there's any reason to worry about an ice age any time soon. Humans already know how to heat up the planet as it is.....
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