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SuperMario · « **Reply #1162 on:** August 25, 2018, 12:59:10 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 25, 2018, 06:27:29 AM

In Cincy, the publics and privates are in difference conferences, but they play each other in the state playoffs.

Is that true? I thought they created separate divisions? I could very well be wrong as I’ve been able to follow high school very little the last couple years. I thought there was an uproar that the privates had an unfair competitive advantage, therefore a division was made

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1163 on:** August 25, 2018, 01:40:51 PM »

I recall Princeton and Colerain playing Xavier and Moeller other Catholic schools in the playoffs.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/ohio-high-school/2014/12/06/glory-days-princeton-football/20013037/

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1164 on:** August 25, 2018, 01:42:04 PM »

Quote from: ELA on August 25, 2018, 07:15:35 AM

The prep school thing is becoming a larger problem in basketball for sure, but I posted the article earlier about Biff Poggis program basically taking all the best kids from Baltimore and running roughshod over the state.

I'm not sure what the answer is, because you are right there are lots of small, lousy private schools. But there are a handful of elite (athletically) private schools that might as well be college teams.

That La Lumiere school in Indiana brought in so many transfers the other year that they ran out a starting lineup of 5 kids from 5 different states, each of whom had been the highest rated recruit in their state the year prior. It was like Jaren Jackson from IN, Brian Bowen from MI, Jordan Poole from WI, Tyger Campbell from TN, and I forget the 5th.

Pennsylvania put in a rule this year to address it. Basically if you take on a certain number of transfers you enter a program where you accumulate points based on on field/court performance. If you reach a certain threshold of points, they move you up a class.

Chris Partridge was doing something similar in NJ before leaving for Michigan. And I guess Poggi was too, weirdly coincidentally(?) before leaving for Michigan, though I think he's created more of a HS super power since going back.
I like PA's solution. I had no idea, but that's super fair and it doesn't screw the competition or dissolve the practice (which doesn't seem like such a disease to me yet that we should respond to it anti-competitively).

ELA · « **Reply #1165 on:** August 25, 2018, 01:53:29 PM »

Poggi took over a legendary program, like 20 years ago, when he left Michigan, he took the worst program in Baltimore and recruited the hell out of it to the point that I think they've won three straight state championships. I posted an article in this thread a couple weeks ago, and how I'm torn on it.

SuperMario · « **Reply #1166 on:** August 25, 2018, 01:59:13 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 25, 2018, 01:40:51 PM

I recall Princeton and Colerain playing Xavier and Moeller other Catholic schools in the playoffs.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/ohio-high-school/2014/12/06/glory-days-princeton-football/20013037/

This is interesting and talks about some of the competitive balance changes. I think cliff notes version is private schools moved up divisions because their students count as a higher multiple for a student compared to a public school. Interesting to read the dynamics of it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/1052683001

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #1167 on:** August 25, 2018, 02:19:16 PM »

Looks like Florida redistricts every couple of years now. Schools can petition to be in a certain district, but in terms of history and rivalries, that's all toast. When I played, it only went up to 6A, now it goes up to 8A. The private schools are mostly grouped into the smaller division districts, but there is some mixing there.

But there's also independents, like IMG.

Why does everything have to be put on blast, full-bore? Why can't we leave HS athletics alone? Why does there need to be artificial juggernauts recruiting kids from across the country to beat up on other 16 year olds? Everything gets so bastardized.

In my HS's current district, none of those schools were on our schedule when I played in the late 90s. That's lame.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1168 on:** August 25, 2018, 02:22:05 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 25, 2018, 02:19:16 PM

Why does everything have to be put on blast, full-bore? Why can't we leave HS athletics alone? Why does there need to be artificial juggernauts recruiting kids from across the country to beat up on other 16 year olds? Everything gets so bastardized.

I'm not convinced it's a sickness. Especially since IMG (for example) can't, by virtue of being an independent, steal anyone's conference trophy. And absent some serious sickness or rule-breaking, I tend to always fall in favor of competitive spirit, especially when creative, no matter how cutthroat.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1169 on:** August 25, 2018, 03:46:18 PM »

I was just watching a bit of HS football on ESPN upstairs. My impression is the kids are very slow and many seem clueless about what is happening. I wonder if the college teams from say 1925 were similar, the good ones had 2-3 great athletes surrounded by just regular Joes.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #1170 on:** August 25, 2018, 05:09:29 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 25, 2018, 02:22:05 PM

I'm not convinced it's a sickness. Especially since IMG (for example) can't, by virtue of being an independent, steal anyone's conference trophy. And absent some serious sickness or rule-breaking, I tend to always fall in favor of competitive spirit, especially when creative, no matter how cutthroat.

But why do it younger and younger? Kids aren't kids anymore.
Big-time college football recruiting is already cutthroat. Then actually playing and being successful. Then the NFL draft is another step up. Then trying to carve out a 10-year NFL career.
What do the kids at IMG get out of it? Destroying 'regular' HS teams? Being on TV? The only actual, positive plus they get is competing against talented players in practice. That's it. The rest is unnecessary BS.

ELA · « **Reply #1171 on:** August 25, 2018, 05:31:45 PM »

That's my issue. It's only going in one direction, and once we are fully saturated with a handful.of high school super teams, what's the next step? I'm the parent of a 5 year old, who is already ostracized from soccer because he plays baseball and soccer, and prefers basevall, so when they conflict, he picks baseball. Tryouts for travel sports when I was young was 12, which I'm sure my parents found young. Now it's 8. This is all unequivocally awful.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #1172 on:** August 25, 2018, 08:08:23 PM »

#7 Florida goes on the road to defeat #2 Nebraska 3-1 in women's volleyball. That's big-time!

FearlessF · « **Reply #1173 on:** August 25, 2018, 11:53:22 PM »

yup, great match

watched all of it

MarqHusker · « **Reply #1174 on:** August 26, 2018, 12:45:58 AM »

It was exciting though an expected hot mess w so many new faces on both sides. Thayer Hall of UF is well deserving of her top incoming Fr. billing.

FearlessF · « **Reply #1175 on:** August 26, 2018, 09:36:37 AM »

a bit sloppy as can be expected, but very competitive and entertaining

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