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Topic: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness

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CatsbyAZ

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #504 on: May 20, 2018, 08:03:40 AM »
The overblown Royal Wedding coverage was a welcome interruption from the usual nastiness of shootings, deficit showdowns, Trump's tweets, and someone's being offended. Plus it put a certain segment of the population in a good mood. A lot stood out from the photos/clips I saw on my twitter feed. First, has anyone ever seen a sunnier day in England? The weather was perfect. Second, how about that southern soul pastor lighting the place up? I was surprised how overtly Christian and Southern the wedding was. It was more like the kind I've attended in Alabama/Georgia with lengthy scriptural readings, a thorough sermon, and praises direct to God in the Vows. All of which I expected to be extinct, forgotten, and disallowed in the UK days. 

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #505 on: May 20, 2018, 08:07:43 AM »
IMHO, bowl games end up in upsets more often than regular games, especially when some team thinks it missed out on something bigger.  The motivation simply is lacking in that case, in practice, in focus, in preparation, and the teams can "enjoy" the festivities because they are playing "Boise State" in effect, and beating them doesn't really matter, while winning does to BSU.

Auburn was one game from the playoff (and SEC championship) and missing that effectively ended their hopes and dreams, while a win over UCF would have been a meh, so what?

So, they didn't prepare as they would have and should have, and UCF had the speed to catch them off guard and they never recovered.  In bowl games, you also face a team with which you are usually very unfamiliar and you watch film of them versus opponents you don't know.  So, I thought Auburn was primed for an upset.  I sort of figured UCF would come out and build a nice lead and then hold on as Auburn finally got motivated.

Of course a lot of teams just missed the playoff by a small amount, but they usually were playing another name team in a bowl game, like OSU and USC, so both had an equal level of motivation.  But replace USC with "Boise State" and the equation shifts.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #506 on: May 20, 2018, 08:09:28 AM »
Coverage of an event reflects who "we" are collectively.  They don't cover things that don't get eyeballs, or try not to.

Two of my female FB friends were arguing on FB about the wedding dress and whether it was nice or too plain.

OK then.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #507 on: May 20, 2018, 08:55:41 AM »
Aside from the TLC shows that exploit children I have a hard time caring too much about what entertains masses.  Hell, if we debate alternate jerseys, I can't criticise people debating a dress.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #508 on: May 20, 2018, 09:02:01 AM »
Yup, different strokes, but a lot of eyeballs were on that wedding, and still are. 

Replays and all that.

A lot of folks watch the World Cup thing in football also.

We are an interesting species.

My grandma told me she and grandpa would stay up into the wees hours reading in winter as there was little to do around the farm then.  Granddad would find work in PA or WVU mining coal or building roads when he could after the harvest to get some money.  They had no electricity until about 1935 or so, so no internet or cell phones.

Back "in the day", you worked much of your waking time, went to church, ate dinner, slept, and made babies.  There was little need for leisure activities other than perhaps after church.  They didn't drink and rarely went into town, not that the town offered much to do either.

Today "we" fix dinner in 20 minutes and eat while looking at our cell phones and watch TV 8 hours a day, somehow, or type burfle on the computer.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #509 on: May 20, 2018, 09:20:58 AM »
I'd rather have news on my front page. I'm not a fan of weddings though. As in any of them.
Well whoever got married was smart enough to avoid a fall wedding
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #510 on: May 20, 2018, 09:21:22 AM »
Interesting point about drinking.  There's no room for debate that we have more free time, but I think as a culture we've reached a more uniform level of drinking.  I'd guess 80% of people I know drink moderately with occasional regrettable nights.  I think prior generations had far more people drinking both excessively and not at all.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #511 on: May 20, 2018, 09:42:50 AM »
A lot of Georgia counties were dry when I was in college (not Clarke county where UGA was of course), maybe more than half.  My grandparents lived on a farm in east Tennessee that was in a dry county and was until fairly recently even though it includes tourist type towns.  Of course that meant shiners would have a market.

But my grandparents on both sides didn't drink alcohol because of religious convictions.


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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #512 on: May 20, 2018, 10:05:16 AM »
Aside from the TLC shows that exploit children I have a hard time caring too much about what entertains masses.
What? The Duggers? 
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #513 on: May 20, 2018, 10:18:26 AM »
IMHO, bowl games end up in upsets more often than regular games, especially when some team thinks it missed out on something bigger.  The motivation simply is lacking in that case, in practice, in focus, in preparation, and the teams can "enjoy" the festivities because they are playing "Boise State" in effect, and beating them doesn't really matter, while winning does to BSU.

Auburn was one game from the playoff (and SEC championship) and missing that effectively ended their hopes and dreams, while a win over UCF would have been a meh, so what?

So, they didn't prepare as they would have and should have, and UCF had the speed to catch them off guard and they never recovered.  In bowl games, you also face a team with which you are usually very unfamiliar and you watch film of them versus opponents you don't know.  So, I thought Auburn was primed for an upset.  I sort of figured UCF would come out and build a nice lead and then hold on as Auburn finally got motivated.

Of course a lot of teams just missed the playoff by a small amount, but they usually were playing another name team in a bowl game, like OSU and USC, so both had an equal level of motivation.  But replace USC with "Boise State" and the equation shifts.
Doesn't this logic basically end up reinforcing our ideas about the structure of the sport. As you said, why can't I say, USC just wasn't up for it after being denied the playoff? What if I said, Brian Kelly's Cincinnati team just wasn't up for it after a grueling undefeated regular season, and that's why Urban's (clearly better) Florida team won?
Sports are weird. Bowls are more weird. And I think it's not bad to acknowledge that, but when the contours of that coalesce in a specific way that puts a thumb on the scale against the interesting stories, I don't think that's great. In short, if that coaching staff and players can't get up for one of only 14 times they'll play a football game in a whole year, and with a long break to rest up, sucks for them.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #514 on: May 20, 2018, 10:18:51 AM »
What? The Duggers?
Jon and Kate Plus 8, Dance Moms, Teen Mom, the kids beauty pageant shows, Honey Boo Boo, etc.  I think that's all that channel airs is thinly veiled child porn.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #515 on: May 20, 2018, 10:30:43 AM »
Here's what I actually came here to post about - I wasted some minutes on ESPN.com and the college football section is still gossiping about UCF's self-proclaimed NC and how Bama brustles at the idea.  So I'm sure ESPN, the sports gossip factory, will keep this going all off-season for clicks and giggles.

Hey, how about if they played?  Would Bama be a 10 point favorite?  12?  More?  The only thing UCF has is it beat the team that beat Bama.  But we all know if we went by that, then you could end up with Akron being the NC every year.

What was the last year news was news and not a swimsuit contest over the nation's oogling eyeballs?  
It's up there because Saban said something about it earlier this week, and anything that breaks up the monotony of "here are more offseason rankings," is probably good for them (also, it makes people weirdly mad and gets them talking). 
From the sites I've looked at, you're talking something like a 12-14 point line. I think one system had it a little closer, but this year, his numbers were quirky on mid-majors for some reason. It's interesting because we've made the national title important, while at the same point creating this uncanny valley of teams that are functionally ineligible save for an act of God. One was bound to act out. 
And people have been saying "that's not news" forever. The difference now is twofold. We consumer more and it's more immediate, meaning news we don't care about isn't limited to an hour at night or a part of the paper we don't read. We're also better at broadcasting that we don't think something is news, where in the past we complained to relatives and friends, most of whom were mostly half listening (It's remarkable the complaint disconnect online vs. in real life, at least in my experience).

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #516 on: May 20, 2018, 11:27:52 AM »
Jon and Kate Plus 8, Dance Moms, Teen Mom, the kids beauty pageant shows, Honey Boo Boo, etc.  I think that's all that channel airs is thinly veiled child porn.
Oh, I'd never noticed that. 
Usually when I scroll past that channel, it's just shows about unusual families. 20 and Counting, My 600 Pound Life, Little People Big World, or one of about a half a dozen polygamy shows. 
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #517 on: May 20, 2018, 12:05:52 PM »
I think teams get "up" right before the game starts, but I also think at times they don't take preparation as seriously as they would in a game they consider to be important.  Focus, film, effort, all that.  Then they find themselves behind early and are kind of whooshed and can't recover.

I think UCF had a fine team, but probably around 10th best in the country, meaning if they played 1-9, they would win 4 times out of 10, then 3, then 2, then 1.  Maybe they beat Bama in a real game one time in ten.  Maybe.  

But with Auburn, it was probably more in the 4 times out of 10 area, and Auburn didn't prepare for it.  Credit to UCF for playing and preparing of course, but I personally don't think they had the talent Auburn had, and Auburn was not a great team.

I still figured UCF would likely beat Auburn in THAT game because of game preparation.  And if UCF wants to claim an NC fine with me, I don't care one bit.

Games for me fall to probabilities, and there was a slight probability that Stanford would beat USC as 42 point dogs way back, and it happened.  That was probably a 1 in 10,000 kind of event.

And teams that are 7 point dogs still win about 1 time in 3.  Doesn't mean they are better of course.

 

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