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Topic: 2018 Coaching Carousel

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bayareabadger

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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #140 on: November 29, 2018, 11:56:26 PM »
He had a great run at WVU when it was in a very weak Big East. Before the Big East lost Miami and VaTech he really didn’t win there. After it was watered down is when he reeled off those 10 and 11 win seasons.
In real conferences like the PAC and the B1G he was bad. His defenses were constantly atrocious.
That HC record is mediocre. Let him run an offense and only an offense under a hands off head coach and that record- while not wholly his- would probably look more like 80+% winning instead of 58%.
We live in a world where the word mediocre is kind of stretched the breaking point. 
 The guy manages to coach about 200 college games as a head man, and was modestly successful. In a sport where  someone is lucky to make it eight years with the bad record.  Default numbers are failure. So mediocrity makes you one of the best around. 
I’d wager his resume is in the 80th percentile. Maybe higher. In a relatively hard to reach position, he was better than maybe four out of five of his peers. And we say, ehhh, if I disqualify everything oy did, you really weren’t much at all. (And it ain’t like the teams he was OC for were killing everyone)

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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #141 on: November 30, 2018, 12:54:40 AM »
McElwain becoming a strong candidate for the CMU job?
was really hoping that Pep or Jay Harbs would get that job. if they were smart they'd stay away from McElwain and go hire Mike Hart. That guy has future stud HC written all over him.

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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #142 on: November 30, 2018, 07:57:06 AM »
was really hoping that Pep or Jay Harbs would get that job. if they were smart they'd stay away from McElwain and go hire Mike Hart. That guy has future stud HC written all over him.
Why would anyone want either of those guys as head coach?
McElwain would be a safe hire, and that program needs to stabilize right now more than anything.
I think Hart probably needs to be OC before jumping straight to HC.  He'd be the youngest head coach in the FBS by a year I believe, and the next youngest had 3 years of OC experience first, including 2 at the Power 5 level.

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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #143 on: November 30, 2018, 09:21:05 AM »
Great hire for them.
Harbaugh is a dumb bitch for not even trying to hire Kilff.
If he doesn’t dump Pep Hamilton, I’m not watching a single game in 2019.
I was perusing MGOBoard and there was a thread about Kliff Kingsbury to USC.Underneath a poster wrote Cliff Clavin to Michigan as OC.Got a chuckle
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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #144 on: November 30, 2018, 09:30:37 AM »
Kingsbury hired as OC by USC
thats a good hire

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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #145 on: November 30, 2018, 09:41:14 AM »
We live in a world where the word mediocre is kind of stretched the breaking point.
 The guy manages to coach about 200 college games as a head man, and was modestly successful. In a sport where  someone is lucky to make it eight years with the bad record.  Default numbers are failure. So mediocrity makes you one of the best around.
I’d wager his resume is in the 80th percentile. Maybe higher. In a relatively hard to reach position, he was better than maybe four out of five of his peers. And we say, ehhh, if I disqualify everything oy did, you really weren’t much at all. (And it ain’t like the teams he was OC for were killing everyone)
RichRod flopped in the B1G because most teams at least pretend to play defense.  When he was picked up by Arizona, he started winning again (maybe not at the same clip as WVU, but he had decent success at least).
In CFB at least, you gotta play both offense and defense competently in order to win.  Being great at one and sucky at the other means you can beat mediocre teams, but get badly exposed by great ones.  Case in point, Oklahoma v. Bama is a strong possibility for an opening playoff round.  Both are great on offense, but only Bama bothers to play any D.  OU has the horses to hang 40 on the Tide, but their only chance to pull it off is to force turnovers, hope the refs are friendly to them, and score on every single possession.  Unless they hire Mike Ditka as their DC, Alabama can basically name their own score.

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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #146 on: November 30, 2018, 09:43:05 AM »
thats a good hire
If the Cleveland Browns brass had any brains, they'd have picked him as their OC.  Koach Kliff + Baker Mayfield would at least be a sexy combo on paper.

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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #147 on: November 30, 2018, 09:53:29 AM »
If the Cleveland Browns brass had any brains, they'd have picked him as their OC.  Koach Kliff + Baker Mayfield would at least be a sexy combo on paper.
I don’t think KK and Mayfield ended their relationship at TT on great terms.

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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #148 on: November 30, 2018, 09:56:26 AM »
Yeah, I think I heard that somewhere.  On paper, it would be a great hire, and it's entirely possible that the two have buried the hatchet and may be open to working with each other again.

I still think that Kingsbury would be a dynamite NFL OC.

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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #149 on: November 30, 2018, 10:11:27 AM »
I don’t think KK and Mayfield ended their relationship at TT on great terms.
Mayfield may have matured since then
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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #150 on: November 30, 2018, 10:17:53 AM »
UGA last year had a very good defense and OU put 31 up in the first half.  The going got tougher in the second half of course, and OU had one scoop and score.

But Bama like UGA could run almost at will on OU and pass whenever needed to open guys.

OU and OSU both can score a lot of points on top level defenses.

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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #151 on: November 30, 2018, 10:59:57 AM »
I don't think there's any legitimately great defenses in CFB this year.  I thought Michigan might have been the closes to great, but OSU happened.  Clemson gave up over 30 to Carolina, Bama got pushed around by Citadel(!) and most everybody else ranges from decent to putrid.

ND may be undefeated, but outside of Michigan they don't have that splashy win.  They're a lot like Michigan where they have a good defense but a lackluster offense.  They might be able to slow down high-powered offenses to an extent, but they don't have the O to keep up.  IMHO, they'd get beaten soundly by Bama, Clemson, Georgia, and Ohio State (as long as the Bucks show up).  I don't think they'd beat Oklahoma either.

This season's theme is offense, offense, and more offense.  This might be the year where Alabama gives up 50 to an Oklahoma or Georgia, and still win.

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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #152 on: November 30, 2018, 11:19:15 AM »
Hey man, MSU finished #2 in S&P+, and considering the hole their offense put them in time and time again, I'd call this MSU defense great.  Maybe not in terms of NFL star power, or starz, but it all worked.  Particularly considering they were without their best CB for 8 games.  He was Big Ten Defensive POTW last week.

MSU wound up #2 defense, #114 offense.  You look at the other top defenses, they all had at least a decent offense.  Clemson was #1/#6; Notre Dame was #3/#29; Mississippi State was #4/#41; Michigan was #5/#24; Alabama was #6/#2; Washington was #8/#30.

Among Power 5 teams you have to go down to Miami with #9/#68, to find an offense that was probably only mediocre; then down to Cal at #15/#121 to find one with an offense that was downright bad.

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Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #153 on: November 30, 2018, 11:58:35 AM »
@ELA    

Pep was being considered for the Maryland job after Edsall's firing. 

They decided going after a defensive coach, and we got DJ. 

 

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