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MrNubbz

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #434 on: November 28, 2018, 09:28:27 AM »
Dan Patrick show the guys said MSU has a player get 18 boards w/o taking a shot.Is that true,nice to see some defense,Rodman,Moses Malone,Bill Russel and Bob Lanier are smiling somewhere
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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #435 on: November 28, 2018, 09:51:22 AM »
So this is not to defend Davison, because he needs too cool it, even if it works.

Anyway, not a pretty UW win, but maybe NC State will be good.
This is where I'm at, on both accounts. Davison is a rock on defense, but yeah, you can get a call without hitting the floor.

Did you know he was a HS quarterback?  :67:


Heh. Maybe Chryst should take a look.
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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #436 on: November 28, 2018, 10:42:53 AM »
This is where I'm at, on both accounts. Davison is a rock on defense, but yeah, you can get a call without hitting the floor.

Did you know he was a HS quarterback?  :67:


Heh. Maybe Chryst should take a look.
He played quarterback? IN HIGH SCHOOOL!!!!!!

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #437 on: November 28, 2018, 11:17:11 AM »
So this is not to defend Davison, because he needs too cool it, even if it works.
But I find it odd that we count all offensive fouls as "charges." I feel like there's three real categories.

True "charge" - Offensive player is coming in, defender beats him to the spot, he's mostly out of control. Clearly this is abused by guys sliding in, and Brad did that at least once

The shoulder drop - This is when an offensive player drops a shoulder to clear space. It's probably more legit than the first, but ends with some "fired out of a cannon" moments

The forearm push off - Offensive player uses the forearm to clear space. These are the easiest to call. There's sometimes some exaggeration, but I always felt like this was less a "charge" because it's mostly on the offensive player. In any case, that might just be my distinction.

Anyway, not a pretty UW win, but maybe NC State will be good.
Yeah, I don't blame him, refs have created this.  Granted I think Duke started it and it's been popularized over the past 15 or so years of playing to draw charges.  I think the rules need to adjust too.  Defenses have changed so that guys are coached to take charges, and it's those that I think make the game worse.  It dissuades moves to the baskets, which IMO are the more exciting plays in the game.
I frequently point to back to back possessions in an MSU-UM game maybe 6 or so years ago.  Costello on the defensive end made a perfect block.  He went straight up, bodies collided, but the defender has the right to his spot straight up, and the offensive player jumped right into him.  Got called for a blocking foul.  Literally the next possession, he slid over and let Trey Burke run into him, without even really trying to get in a defensive position (which is another issue I have).  He just stood there like a guy defending a soccer free kick.  Got the charge call.  Why would a guy attempt to play defense, when he's penalized for it, and rewarded for just standing there?
I think the two things that would vastly improve college basketball would be to move the 3 point line back, and reevaluate the charging rule.  That would space the court more, and reward slashers, while making the risk/reward of taking a 3 less disproportionate to what it is now, while also cutting down on FTs.  The "freedom of movement" stuff has just resulted in even less pacing, because guys aren't adjusting, there are just an obscene number of FTs.  So put guys in more space, and reward guys for trying to play defense, rather than trying to draw fouls.  I think you improve the game immensely.  I think you'd also see "better" threes.  The shot is too easy now.  Too many good defensive possessions just end with a guy making a contested 3, because these guys are too good at it.  A well executed play, resulting in an open 3 look is good for the game, jacked up contested 3s going in, largely I don't think is.

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #438 on: November 28, 2018, 11:42:59 AM »
 
I think the two things that would vastly improve college basketball would be to move the 3 point line back, and reevaluate the charging rule.  That would space the court more, and reward slashers, while making the risk/reward of taking a 3 less disproportionate to what it is now, while also cutting down on FTs.  The "freedom of movement" stuff has just resulted in even less pacing, because guys aren't adjusting, there are just an obscene number of FTs.  So put guys in more space, and reward guys for trying to play defense, rather than trying to draw fouls.  I think you improve the game immensely.  I think you'd also see "better" threes.  The shot is too easy now.  Too many good defensive possessions just end with a guy making a contested 3, because these guys are too good at it.  A well executed play, resulting in an open 3 look is good for the game, jacked up contested 3s going in, largely I don't think is.
Excellent all around, I agree completely...

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #439 on: November 28, 2018, 12:22:25 PM »

I frequently point to back to back possessions in an MSU-UM game maybe 6 or so years ago.  Costello on the defensive end made a perfect block.  He went straight up, bodies collided, but the defender has the right to his spot straight up, and the offensive player jumped right into him.  Got called for a blocking foul.  Literally the next possession, he slid over and let Trey Burke run into him, without even really trying to get in a defensive position (which is another issue I have).  He just stood there like a guy defending a soccer free kick.  Got the charge call.  Why would a guy attempt to play defense, when he's penalized for it, and rewarded for just standing there?

1000 percent agree.  How many charges get called when the player doesn't fling themselves backwards for show?  Hardly any.

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #440 on: November 28, 2018, 03:42:37 PM »
Just like Melo, the kid has a legit shot in Hollywood.

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #441 on: November 28, 2018, 08:43:32 PM »
Maryland won't win many games at all if they can't get some 3-point shooting.

I know they're young, but when you dominate in the paint but get way behind early by the 3, it will be tougher for these guys to get back in it.

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #442 on: November 28, 2018, 09:08:02 PM »
Bucks look headed to a loss. Syracuse has hit some tough shots, and their length has really bothered OSU

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #443 on: November 28, 2018, 09:33:57 PM »
Maryland and OSU couldn't get it done, but Rutgers keeps us in it going into the last three games

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #444 on: November 28, 2018, 11:51:18 PM »
Hell of a win tonight, especially with a dominant second half (though UNC intentionally subbed out all their starters after Michigan blew it open before subbing them back in too late, though they did make a small comeback late).

Michigan is still tied for first in points allowed despite giving up 67 tonight. Kenpom stats aren't updated yet, but they should hold onto the top spot on defense there, too, especially since this game had more possessions than other Michigan games since North Carolina plays so fast.... The main concerns are still free throws, and they committed some dumb turnovers today. Otherwise, I think this week is showing that they still look like the best team in the BigTen so far and can beat anyone in the country.

Another big home game against Purdue on Saturday, though....
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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #445 on: November 28, 2018, 11:56:56 PM »
That ending hurt... :03:

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #446 on: November 29, 2018, 07:41:11 AM »
"#1" OSU the only B1G team to lose a home game?
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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #447 on: November 29, 2018, 09:11:53 AM »
Michigan looks like the clear frontrunner of a pretty loaded B1G

 

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