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As for this game, obviously I'm coming from the Michigan perspective and am wondering how many points Michigan will have to earn to win (like, where is that line in the sand?) and I think the number is somewhere in the range of 25 to 30.

Haterz Disclaimerz: This is not any kind of guarantee that Michigan's offense will get there. I'm just predicting a defensive slugfest and for UW to score fewer than 30, maybe around 20-24.

Then again, I guess it's more fun to put one's neck out there: A 30-23 type game could be it.

In the pool I play in (this was the game of the week) I took 47 total points as the tiebreaker for my picks. So, like 24-23 or something.

Yes we are on the same page. Ironically just now on my lunch hour listening to the satellite channel ESPNU they were talking about this very game in these two quarterbacks. Neuheisel said that Shea will be good because he’s consistent but the game will come down to whether Hornibrooke can win the game for Wisconsin. But he does not remember some of Hornibrooks better performances obviously . Then they had some other expert that basically was saying what you just said, that Patterson is limited by Michigan’s offense

Nuhesial is an idiot. And he's a Harbaugh hater.
Patterson's ability to put up #'s and pad stats has definitely been a little bit limited by the scheme. He was only throwing like 15 times a game vs WMU, SMU, NEB. And they don't use him on runs like at all. Which is crazy because he can absolutely do that.
As far as Meyer vs Harbaugh's offensive philosophy- proof is in the pudding. Meyer's teams always put up yards and points. Harbaugh's teams struggle to.
Chris Evans would be Curtis Samuel light if he was in a Buckeye uniform and he'd be used as a weapon as a receiver in space out of the backfield and in the slot. Evans isn't used like this at all in Harbaugh's offense. It's frustrating as hell. Ambry Thomas is probably one of the 3 fastest kids in this conference and when they try to use him on offense it's as a decoy and nothing more. Kid looks like Ted Ginn with the ball in his hands and they don't get the ball in his hands at all. Instead- yeah, let's throw it to TE Sean McKeon's sucky ass or hand it off to a FB or Higdon for a 1 yard gain instead. MAKES SENSE.

Evans, Thomas, DPJ, Nico Collins, Tarik Black- would all look great in a Meyer style offense.

Thank you for grabbing the S&P data so I didn’t have to .
I’m excited to watch Harboffense with skin in the game. It’s weird how he runs oft creative schemes in a manner that feels like it’s all the cliches of boring offense.

some of his stuff in the run game is very creative. his passing scheme is just bad. they don't use any tempo or pace and short throws to get the defense on it's heals. It honestly feels like he likes throwing to his TE's and FB's more than he likes throwing to his RB's and WR's. Which makes zero since because right now he's got Chris Evans at RB who can run routes like a receiver and catch the ball like a receiver and is a nightmare in the open field. He's also got a senior slot receiver in Grant Perry who is a precise route runner. And he's got a pair of sophomore receivers who are legit in DPJ and Nico Collins. Collins is 6'4+ and can run and go up and snatch the ball. DPJ is a freak of nature athlete. This kid ran a laser timed 4.42 at the opening and a 4.02 shuttle and had a 45" vertical at 6'2, 190 pounds as a 15 year old sophomore in high school. He's got another freak athlete on that squad that should be playing offense a lot more than he does in Ambry Thomas. True frosh Ronnie Bell has flashed. Zach Gentry is the best receiving TE he's had at Michigan. Jake Butt included. And when he gets Tarik Black it'll just be an embarrassment of riches. Shea Patterson is LEGIT. By far the best QB he's had at Michigan and it's not close.

And with this collection of serious talent he will produce a mediocre offense. It's asinine.

oh, we're not showing ourselves out
the money is too good and the Horns won't let us back in the old Big 8

Old bitter drunken Bevo

he came flying like a bat out of hell out of nowhere and almost tackled Ty Johnson on his 98 yard TD kick return. Ambry got his hands on him just couldn't tackle him. Ambry still too thin and his body type looks like a WR to me, not a CB.
Throw on some highlights of Ginn and then some of Thomas. They have like the exact same build, lanky and thin. And a similar gait when they run. And they both FLY.
Thomas reminds me so much of Ginn it's eerie. Kid should be playing WR and returning punts and kicks. Give DPJ a break and let him focus on route running only. He doesn't need to waste reps practicing punt return or blocking. His route running is what needs work.

He stood out that way in high school and at all the camps with the all star college guys

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Quote from: Honestbuckeye on Wed Oct 10 2018 08:20:29 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

Not sure where this narrative is coming from, but Haskins has hit so many downfield TDs into the end zone this year I can’t even keep track of them any more.

Because everyone watched the OSU PSU game and his 2 4th quarter TD's were short passes that the wideouts turned into great plays.
Also, the stat measures passes over 20 yards. and yes in the highlights 4 of the 6 passes were into the endzone, but only 2 of the passes were over 20 yards.

Because everyone watched the OSU PSU game and his 2 4th quarter TD's were short passes that the wideouts turned into great plays.
Also, the stat measures passes over 20 yards. and yes in the highlights 4 of the 6 passes were into the endzone, but only 2 of the passes were over 20 yards.

But the point is, they were no short throws with the WR turning them into YAC.  
And, one of them was from about the 15 but was thrown at least 7 yards into the end zone.
Or perhaps you agree with the crowd, Haskins is only good for short throws. 
But then you would be in disagreement with the pro scouts who are drooling over his NFL arm on long and intermediate throws.
Or perhaps you feel that Haskins having a good but not great outing at night, at arguably the hardest place to play, is indicative of his ceiling. But then you would have to look at Bama’s QB and say the same since he hasn’t played anyone yet, or Michigan’s QB, who played one legit team so far and looked pretty bad.
For the record, I will go with the scouts and what is obvious to my eyes, and that is Haskins throws the ball all over the park with accuracy and consistency.  He hits tight windows, throws guys open and makes very few mistakes.