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Topic: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game

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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2018, 11:54:15 PM »
Well, they don't
I'll call Oklahoma flatly irrelevant if Michigan wins out. Maybe Alabama+Georgia *could* finish above if UGa wins out, but only to the extent that neither Michigan nor UGa technically controls its own fate.

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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2018, 06:20:18 AM »
Georgia definitely controls its own destiny.  If they win out they are in and the question is if Alabama drops out.  I certainly wouldn't call Oklahoma irrelevant.  If they have a stretch like Michigan just had they are right in the conversation, plus they end with likely two games against West Virginia.  That's why I'm sayung Michigan would probably want a good looking OSU team on its resume, which in margin of victory is strong but in quality of opponent is very not strong.

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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2018, 06:33:11 AM »
Ya well I'm not mailing the season in as fodder for M's resume.It's on to E.L.
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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2018, 06:34:46 AM »
Actually on checking their schedules I'm not sure Michigan wants an OSU victory.  There's a legit shot that OSU is the only ranked team it will have a win over by the end of the season.  Is it better to have one win over a top ten type outfit or 3 wins over top 15-25 type outfits?  Not sure about that but I'm leaning to the latter.

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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2018, 07:12:50 AM »
Actually on checking their schedules I'm not sure Michigan wants an OSU victory.  There's a legit shot that OSU is the only ranked team it will have a win over by the end of the season.  Is it better to have one win over a top ten type outfit or 3 wins over top 15-25 type outfits?  Not sure about that but I'm leaning to the latter.
This is an interesting question.  
I am starting to think that Oklahoma is a factor and it is largely because of the debacle in the B1G-W.  Northwestern is now 5-4, unranked, and in control in the B1G-W.  If they lose to Iowa this weekend they will drop to just 5-5 but they will still control their own destiny in the B1G-W.  This is a disaster for the B1G-E Champion if said B1G-E Champ needs a quality win in the B1GCG.  A 7-5 Northwestern team that lost by two TD's at home to Dook, at home to Akron, at home to Michigan, at home to Notre Dame, and at Iowa would not be a quality opponent.  
Note that:
  • Dook is 2-3 in a weak ACC
  • Akron is 2-3 in the freaking MAC

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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2018, 10:38:47 AM »
Who will suck less - OSUs defense or MSU's offense?
that's the $64,000 question.
MSU's defense is excellent. They have to D to make it an ugly, low scoring game. And it's at home. Flip a coin.

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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2018, 10:54:24 AM »
A 7-5 Northwestern team that lost by two TD's at home to Dook, at home to Akron, at home to Michigan, at home to Notre Dame, and at Iowa would not be a quality opponent.  

add to this the fact that Northwestern could give the east champ a helluva close game in Indy
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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2018, 12:09:14 PM »
C Matt Allen still out, although I actually think the walk on backup Blake Beuter has been better.  Wouldn't mind sliding Allen over to guard when he is healthy.

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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2018, 02:13:23 PM »
It's unoriginal, but I'm intensely curious of OSU's offensive philosophy. Do they (A) do the far-sighted thing and continue to try to fix the broken run game versus an overwhelming mismatch ... or do they (B) pause that renaissance try to go strength versus weakness and predominantly pass?

I think Michigan fans should either want B or failure at A. The worst case scenario for Michigan is for OSU to actually remember how to have an elite run game.

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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2018, 02:29:47 PM »
It's unoriginal, but I'm intensely curious of OSU's offensive philosophy. Do they (A) do the far-sighted thing and continue to try to fix the broken run game versus an overwhelming mismatch ... or do they (B) pause that renaissance try to go strength versus weakness and predominantly pass?

I think Michigan fans should either want B or failure at A. The worst case scenario for Michigan is for OSU to actually remember how to have an elite run game.
I think you are dead on here.  If Ohio State somehow conjures up an elite running game they'll win easily until THE GAME and even that will be something close to a toss-up.  Even a middling running game would make the Buckeyes too much for MSU and UMD and something close to a match for the Wolverines.  The thing is, this late in the season, I don't think an elite running game is going to suddenly appear wearing scarlet and gray.  

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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2018, 03:08:17 PM »
I think you are dead on here.  If Ohio State somehow conjures up an elite running game they'll win easily until THE GAME and even that will be something close to a toss-up.  Even a middling running game would make the Buckeyes too much for MSU and UMD and something close to a match for the Wolverines.  The thing is, this late in the season, I don't think an elite running game is going to suddenly appear wearing scarlet and gray.  
this is how I feel as well. Running game is something that you build through the course of a season. Not something you just magically turn into elite with 3 weeks left to go.

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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2018, 03:14:30 PM »
It's unoriginal, but I'm intensely curious of OSU's offensive philosophy. Do they (A) do the far-sighted thing and continue to try to fix the broken run game versus an overwhelming mismatch ... or do they (B) pause that renaissance try to go strength versus weakness and predominantly pass?

I think Michigan fans should either want B or failure at A. The worst case scenario for Michigan is for OSU to actually remember how to have an elite run game.
I think of all the things, an Urban Meyer team not trying to run the ball is extremely unlikely.  Not saying they are going to try and pound it against Sparty, but I don't anticipate them abandoning the run game against anyone unless they are down by a big score.  
But still, the line is pretty average run blocking and I don't expect that to change.  They get their yards mostly by chucking it, and that will continue.  If the defense could sort itself out, they could have something.  But that seems like a pretty dreamy wish.

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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #54 on: November 06, 2018, 03:15:49 PM »
this is how I feel as well. Running game is something that you build through the course of a season. Not something you just magically turn into elite with 3 weeks left to go.
I think it will be much improved, but not elite.  Sort of like what Michigan did - by sprinkling in some Shea running they greatly improved their rushing attack.  OSU can't do that, but they can do some things that make it much harder to defend the run game, and they showed some against Nebraska.

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Re: #8 Ohio State (5-1, 8-1) at #24 Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) Game Week
« Reply #55 on: November 06, 2018, 03:25:50 PM »
I think it will be much improved, but not elite.  Sort of like what Michigan did - by sprinkling in some Shea running they greatly improved their rushing attack.  OSU can't do that, but they can do some things that make it much harder to defend the run game, and they showed some against Nebraska.
I think the combination of Ed Warriner and Shea's threat as a runner has really opened up the M rushing attack greatly.
Meyer has never had a QB this talented from purely a throwing standpoint. But he's always had QB's that were mobile and the QB run game was always a huge part of his offense. Even back in the day with Harris at BG and Alex Smith at Utah.
Really his worst seasons at Florida were when the greatest RB/QB he ever had- Tebow- left- and Meyer tried going with the 5* pro-style passer Brantley. They were horrible on offense and the team took a nosedive. Meyer should really just stay away from the pocket passers. It's not good for his health. Literally.

 

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