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Topic: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss

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jgvol

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Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2020, 07:07:41 PM »
How many people could he recruit a year at Pittsburg?



The same amount as everyone else.  

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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2020, 07:09:24 PM »
The same amount as everyone else. 
I'm not sure about that. He signed some very large classes. I could be wrong, but I think Pitt was not as limited as UT and some others were. 

Edited found this in a quick search

Class of ’73 keyed Pitt’s magical season | TribLIVE.com 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2020, 07:14:33 PM »
Pruitt isn't going anywhere.

1 - This was Fulmer's pick
2 - The Athletic Department is bleeding money
3 - It would cost $20 million to get rid of Pruitt and his staff.

The only caveat is if some wealthy Vol supporter offers to cough up $20 million of his own money to buy out Pruitt so they can hire someone else.  But I don't see that happening.

We've got Pruitt for two more years - for better or worse....


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Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2020, 07:18:11 PM »
I'm not sure about that. He signed some very large classes. I could be wrong, but I think Pitt was not as limited as UT and some others were.

Edited found this in a quick search

Class of ’73 keyed Pitt’s magical season | TribLIVE.com

Magical NCAA rules where Pitt can recruit more than any other school?

Bear Bryant is also pretty famous for stocking his roster with studs. 

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Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2020, 07:21:20 PM »

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2013/6/11/4409982/ncaa-football-a-brief-history-of-ncaa-football-scholarships

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Football schools could offer as many scholarships as they could afford and many had 150 players or more.

1973 brought about the first limitations on football scholarships in order to free up money for women's sports after Title IX was passed by Congress in 1972 as part of the Equal Opportunity in Education Act. This caused the NCAA schools' presidents and athletic directors to push through a limit of 105 football scholarships. Additional reductions were made in 1978 (95) and again in 1992 which brought the limit to its present number of 85 and 63 for Division I-AA.

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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2020, 07:24:28 PM »
Magical NCAA rules where Pitt can recruit more than any other school?

Bear Bryant is also pretty famous for stocking his roster with studs.
Read the article. Seems about what I recall.


Pitt removed themselves from a agreement with other schools.

SEC was limited I think then to around 30 at the time, Pitt had a agreement with some other schools they removed themselves from. The NCAA had no limit in 73  


From the article

The first key to the renovation project was a change in the school’s scholarship policy. Previously, Pitt had been locked into the so-called “Big Four Agreement” with West Virginia, Penn State and Syracuse. It was designed to regulate the schools’ football programs and limited each to just 25 scholarships per year.

Then-Pitt chancellor Wesley Posvar and athletic director Cas Myslinski sparked the program’s revival by removing the self-imposed scholarship cap and by hiring the charismatic, 38-year-old Majors after the 1972 season.

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They had an unlimited amount of scholarships at their disposal – 1973 would prove to be the last year of unlimited scholarships in college football.............

Depending on whom you ask, the class ranged from 65 to 100 kids. Sherrill has it pegged at 76.

“Kind of ironic,” he says, “because in ’76 we’d win the national championship.”



President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2020, 08:07:35 PM »
Read the article. Seems about what I recall.


Pitt removed themselves from a agreement with other schools.

SEC was limited I think then to around 30 at the time, Pitt had a agreement with some other schools they removed themselves from. The NCAA had no limit in 73 


From the article

The first key to the renovation project was a change in the school’s scholarship policy. Previously, Pitt had been locked into the so-called “Big Four Agreement” with West Virginia, Penn State and Syracuse. It was designed to regulate the schools’ football programs and limited each to just 25 scholarships per year.

Then-Pitt chancellor Wesley Posvar and athletic director Cas Myslinski sparked the program’s revival by removing the self-imposed scholarship cap and by hiring the charismatic, 38-year-old Majors after the 1972 season.

............
They had an unlimited amount of scholarships at their disposal – 1973 would prove to be the last year of unlimited scholarships in college football.............

Depending on whom you ask, the class ranged from 65 to 100 kids. Sherrill has it pegged at 76.

“Kind of ironic,” he says, “because in ’76 we’d win the national championship.”




I would think it's easier to rebuild a program when you have no scholly limitations. It took Majors over four years to get back on track and his record was still a roller coaster after that.
My point is we will always be 2nd tier if we keep firing coaches every 3-4 years.
I'm no expert on what makes a good coach but I'm damn sure Fuller knows better than anyone on this board.




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Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2020, 08:12:01 PM »
I would think it's easier to rebuild a program when you have no scholly limitations. It took Majors over four years to get back on track and his record was still a roller coaster after that.
My point is we will always be 2nd tier if we keep firing coaches every 3-4 years.
I'm no expert on what makes a good coach but I'm damn sure Fuller knows better than anyone on this board.





I guess you won’t be criticizing Joe Biden since he has 48 years in politics and knows a hell of a lot more about it than anyone on this board. 

Are you that blind to your own hypocrisy?

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Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2020, 08:17:12 PM »
BTW...for those fantasizing about firing Pruitt this year and hiring a "Flavor of The Week" coach.
UTAD is projected to lose $40 + million this year and that was before the basketball season has become in jeopardy.
Does anyone believe we're going to buy out yet another coach's contract and pay mega millions to hire a name coach?
Dream on!

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Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2020, 08:39:24 PM »
I guess you won’t be criticizing Joe Biden since he has 48 years in politics and knows a hell of a lot more about it than anyone on this board. 

Are you that blind to your own hypocrisy?
What the hell are you ranting about?
Biden? Hypocrisy?
You're not making sense.
So far you would have fired  Majors,run JG off campus,fire Pruitt and fire Fulmer.
Get rational and tell us how we pay for it and who your flavor of the week coach is and how we pay for him

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Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2020, 08:48:52 PM »
Gym or anyone....How long should it take for a coach to turn a program around from the dumpster fire that Pruitt inherited?
A straight forward question for the critics.
2 years?
3 years
4 years
More?
Less?
By year 3 the trajectory should be trending up ....... and while assembling a staff he seems to have forgot that you still need coaches who can coach rather than 1 trick pony recruiters 

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Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2020, 08:56:10 PM »
I'm not sure about that. He signed some very large classes. I could be wrong, but I think Pitt was not as limited as UT and some others were.

Edited found this in a quick search

Class of ’73 keyed Pitt’s magical season | TribLIVE.com
So we’re going back FORTY-SEVEN years to justify why we should keep the captain of a rapidly sinking ship 

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Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2020, 09:02:28 PM »
By year 3 the trajectory should be trending up ....... and while assembling a staff he seems to have forgot that you still need coaches who can coach rather than 1 trick pony recruiters
So you would have fired Majors after 3 years and definitely after four years?
Both Pruitt and Majors inherited a team with very little SEC talent.
Both had losing records after  three years.
Majors was 5-6 in season four.
UTAD will lose a minimum of $40 million this year.
Firing Pruitt and coaching staff will be a minimum of $10 more in loses.
Hiring a name coach and competent staff would be at least another $10-20 million more.
That puts UTAD at a loss of $70-80 million this year which would hamstring our athletics department for the next 5-10 years.
You're the AD...what do you do?

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Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2020, 09:06:19 PM »
So we’re going back FORTY-SEVEN years to justify why we should keep the captain of a rapidly sinking ship
Post had nothing to do with any justifications, but a statement of facts concerning the different level of the playing fields both coached under.
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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