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Title: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: gymvol on November 24, 2020, 10:27:26 AM
Well he is from Alabama should we expect anything less.

You would think by now Fulmer would have taught him the pat answer to any question is to say "Uh, we gonna watch the film and work like heck to get better".

snip:

Here’s what the Tennessee football Volunteers head coach said after losing to the Auburn Tigers.


Pruitt on JG Saturday and the QB competition this week: “He done a lot of really good things for us…obviously, there’s probably three or four plays in the game that needed to be better, particularly that one. You can’t throw the ball to the other team. Anytime.”

— VR2 on SI (@VR2onSI) November 23, 2020 (https://twitter.com/VR2onSI/status/1330923731632308226?ref_src=twsrc^tfw)


Jeremy Pruitt on Jim Chaney's performance against Auburn: "Did you watch the game? We had more yards than they did."

— Rocky Top Insider (@rockytopinsider) November 22, 2020 (https://twitter.com/rockytopinsider/status/1330357707250036737?ref_src=twsrc^tfw)

Tennessee football: Jeremy Pruitt says all the wrong things after Vols loss (allfortennessee.com) (https://allfortennessee.com/2020/11/23/tennessee-football-jeremy-pruitt-wrong-things-loss/)
Jeremy Pruitt asked what he'd say to fans who have quesitons about the direction of the program: "That ain't my job, guys. My job is to coach."

— David Ubben (@davidubben) November 22, 2020 (https://twitter.com/davidubben/status/1330357382485057537?ref_src=twsrc^tfw)

Tennessee football: Jeremy Pruitt says all the wrong things after Vols loss (allfortennessee.com) (https://allfortennessee.com/2020/11/23/tennessee-football-jeremy-pruitt-wrong-things-loss/)
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 10:35:27 AM
Gym or anyone....How long should it take for a coach to turn a program around from the dumpster fire that Pruitt inherited?
A straight forward question for the critics.
2 years?
3 years
4 years
More?
Less?
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 11:50:19 AM
I'd say it depends in part on how the team looks, an eye test.  A team might lose games while looking prepared, playing hard, not quitting, but just not have the talent.  If recruiting goes fairly well, I'd give a HC 5 years to start winning, coming from a low point.

I wouldn't worry overly about his PR skills.  

After three years one should be able to see both improvement and promise for the future.  If not, well, the seat gets warm.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 24, 2020, 12:13:44 PM
Jeremy Pruitt is the coach whether we like it or not, and until the hammer drops i gotta support it is my opinion.  He has got to be a frustrated as fans....

I wanna see what he can do without JG.  JG was inherited and has been a dumpster fire every time he puts on a uniform.  Bailey is a true freshman and drove better than JG.  There is no other coach in college football much less a top tier coach that would not have sat him down by now.  Its beyond strange.

Also you gotta figure, it's bled past JG... receivers are now accustomed to stopping to catch the ball if it is anything but a vertical pass- they'll have to adjust the way they've been playing too which will take more than a game to do... the rb's will have to adjust to a QB who doesn't stand like a statue after handing the ball off indicating to LBs the direction of the play instantly. the receivers not indicated by the box as the intended receiver will have to adjust and run routes instead of breaking them and loafing knowing they're not targeted (and just because they're not being stared down doesn't mean they're not going to be thrown to). 

The problem is the QB and a coach that is unreasonably loyal to him. 
Title: Mountains out of mole-hills...
Post by: fuzzynavol on November 24, 2020, 12:53:16 PM
Well, well, well, looks like Gymmie has joined all the cancel-culture snowflakes.  

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Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: gymvol on November 24, 2020, 03:32:49 PM
When a coach tells fans it ain't his job to answer question about the program then he's in the wrong job they're the ones who are paying his salary. If it weren't for fans there wouldn't be a job for him.

By the third year a GOOD coach should and would be seeing signs of improvement regardless of what he inherited.

He would have three years of his recruits and should be playing a junior or a least a sophomore QB he recruited not a 5 year hold over from a coach that got fired for losing with the same guy.

Of course this was a shit show from the start Tater Head didn't come to Tennessee to recruit when hired he was allowed to stay at BAMA which put him behind the first year in recruiting.

People can keep on making excuses but they're just repeats of the same damn excuses I've been hearing for 15 years about all this bull shit from the hiring of second rate coaches.

Some of you folks could just do a cut and paste with excuses you've posted them so many times since even before Fulmer was fired.

The problem isn't the QB it's the coach who don't have sense enough to play a different one. But then I think there may be a few players who have told Pruitt play JG or else.

The brothas gonna stick together.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 05:19:11 PM
"By the third year a GOOD coach should and would be seeing signs of improvement regardless of what he inherited."

So in your expert opinion you would have fired Johnny Majors after his third year or no later than his fourth year
since Majors had a losing overall record after his third season and also after his fourth four full season as coach at UT  .
He was 5-6 in his fourth season. 23-21-1 after four full seasons.
I suspect you would have been calling Majors  the "Drunk Dork" or the "Tipsey Teetotler" or some other cute name after his 3rd or 4th season.
Assuming you didn't fire Majors after four seasons would you have fired Majors in midseason in 88' when we started the season 0-6 or would you have waited until the end of the season before firing him?
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: DunkingDan on November 24, 2020, 05:35:37 PM
"By the third year a GOOD coach should and would be seeing signs of improvement regardless of what he inherited."

So in your expert opinion you would have fired Johnny Majors after his third year or no later than his fourth year
since Majors had a losing overall record after his third season and also after his fourth four full season as coach at UT  .
He was 5-6 in his fourth season. 23-21-1 after four full seasons.
I suspect you would have been calling Majors  the "Drunk Dork" or the "Tipsey Teetotler" or some other cute name after his 3rd or 4th season.
Assuming you didn't fire Majors after four seasons would you have fired Majors in midseason in 88' when we started the season 0-6 or would you have waited until the end of the season before firing him?
JM as a "Tipsey Teetotler"? That would have been a rare day
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: jgvol on November 24, 2020, 05:59:17 PM
"By the third year a GOOD coach should and would be seeing signs of improvement regardless of what he inherited."

So in your expert opinion you would have fired Johnny Majors after his third year or no later than his fourth year
since Majors had a losing overall record after his third season and also after his fourth four full season as coach at UT  .
He was 5-6 in his fourth season. 23-21-1 after four full seasons.
I suspect you would have been calling Majors  the "Drunk Dork" or the "Tipsey Teetotler" or some other cute name after his 3rd or 4th season.
Assuming you didn't fire Majors after four seasons would you have fired Majors in midseason in 88' when we started the season 0-6 or would you have waited until the end of the season before firing him?

You missed the part where Majors was a proven National Championship head coach.

And Pruitt is, well, ……..not.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 06:00:27 PM
Who would you like to hire who might be available?  Urban Meyer?  Probably not.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: DunkingDan on November 24, 2020, 06:10:17 PM
You missed the part where Majors was a proven National Championship head coach.

And Pruitt is, well, ……..not.
How many people could he recruit a year at Pittsburg? 

Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 06:19:33 PM
How many people could he recruit a year at Pittsburg?


100+
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 06:20:59 PM
You missed the part where Majors was a proven National Championship head coach.

And Pruitt is, well, ……..not.
Irrevelant...
Fulmer also won a National Championship  and we fired him.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: jgvol on November 24, 2020, 07:07:20 PM
Irrevelant...
Fulmer also won a National Championship  and we fired him.

of course.....irrelevant.  🙄
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: jgvol on November 24, 2020, 07:07:41 PM
How many people could he recruit a year at Pittsburg?



The same amount as everyone else.  
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: DunkingDan on November 24, 2020, 07:09:24 PM
The same amount as everyone else. 
I'm not sure about that. He signed some very large classes. I could be wrong, but I think Pitt was not as limited as UT and some others were. 

Edited found this in a quick search

Class of ’73 keyed Pitt’s magical season | TribLIVE.com (https://archive.triblive.com/news/class-of-73-keyed-pitts-magical-season/) 
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: HK_Vol on November 24, 2020, 07:14:33 PM
Pruitt isn't going anywhere.

1 - This was Fulmer's pick
2 - The Athletic Department is bleeding money
3 - It would cost $20 million to get rid of Pruitt and his staff.

The only caveat is if some wealthy Vol supporter offers to cough up $20 million of his own money to buy out Pruitt so they can hire someone else.  But I don't see that happening.

We've got Pruitt for two more years - for better or worse....

Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: jgvol on November 24, 2020, 07:18:11 PM
I'm not sure about that. He signed some very large classes. I could be wrong, but I think Pitt was not as limited as UT and some others were.

Edited found this in a quick search

Class of ’73 keyed Pitt’s magical season | TribLIVE.com (https://archive.triblive.com/news/class-of-73-keyed-pitts-magical-season/)

Magical NCAA rules where Pitt can recruit more than any other school?

Bear Bryant is also pretty famous for stocking his roster with studs. 
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: HK_Vol on November 24, 2020, 07:21:20 PM

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2013/6/11/4409982/ncaa-football-a-brief-history-of-ncaa-football-scholarships

SNIP:
Football schools could offer as many scholarships as they could afford and many had 150 players or more.

1973 brought about the first limitations on football scholarships in order to free up money for women's sports after Title IX was passed by Congress in 1972 as part of the Equal Opportunity in Education Act. This caused the NCAA schools' presidents and athletic directors to push through a limit of 105 football scholarships. Additional reductions were made in 1978 (95) and again in 1992 which brought the limit to its present number of 85 and 63 for Division I-AA.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: DunkingDan on November 24, 2020, 07:24:28 PM
Magical NCAA rules where Pitt can recruit more than any other school?

Bear Bryant is also pretty famous for stocking his roster with studs.
Read the article. Seems about what I recall.


Pitt removed themselves from a agreement with other schools.

SEC was limited I think then to around 30 at the time, Pitt had a agreement with some other schools they removed themselves from. The NCAA had no limit in 73  


From the article

The first key to the renovation project was a change in the school’s scholarship policy. Previously, Pitt had been locked into the so-called “Big Four Agreement” with West Virginia, Penn State and Syracuse. It was designed to regulate the schools’ football programs and limited each to just 25 scholarships per year.

Then-Pitt chancellor Wesley Posvar and athletic director Cas Myslinski sparked the program’s revival by removing the self-imposed scholarship cap and by hiring the charismatic, 38-year-old Majors after the 1972 season.

............
They had an unlimited amount of scholarships at their disposal – 1973 would prove to be the last year of unlimited scholarships in college football.............

Depending on whom you ask, the class ranged from 65 to 100 kids. Sherrill has it pegged at 76.

“Kind of ironic,” he says, “because in ’76 we’d win the national championship.”



Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 08:07:35 PM
Read the article. Seems about what I recall.


Pitt removed themselves from a agreement with other schools.

SEC was limited I think then to around 30 at the time, Pitt had a agreement with some other schools they removed themselves from. The NCAA had no limit in 73 


From the article

The first key to the renovation project was a change in the school’s scholarship policy. Previously, Pitt had been locked into the so-called “Big Four Agreement” with West Virginia, Penn State and Syracuse. It was designed to regulate the schools’ football programs and limited each to just 25 scholarships per year.

Then-Pitt chancellor Wesley Posvar and athletic director Cas Myslinski sparked the program’s revival by removing the self-imposed scholarship cap and by hiring the charismatic, 38-year-old Majors after the 1972 season.

............
They had an unlimited amount of scholarships at their disposal – 1973 would prove to be the last year of unlimited scholarships in college football.............

Depending on whom you ask, the class ranged from 65 to 100 kids. Sherrill has it pegged at 76.

“Kind of ironic,” he says, “because in ’76 we’d win the national championship.”




I would think it's easier to rebuild a program when you have no scholly limitations. It took Majors over four years to get back on track and his record was still a roller coaster after that.
My point is we will always be 2nd tier if we keep firing coaches every 3-4 years.
I'm no expert on what makes a good coach but I'm damn sure Fuller knows better than anyone on this board.



Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: jgvol on November 24, 2020, 08:12:01 PM
I would think it's easier to rebuild a program when you have no scholly limitations. It took Majors over four years to get back on track and his record was still a roller coaster after that.
My point is we will always be 2nd tier if we keep firing coaches every 3-4 years.
I'm no expert on what makes a good coach but I'm damn sure Fuller knows better than anyone on this board.





I guess you won’t be criticizing Joe Biden since he has 48 years in politics and knows a hell of a lot more about it than anyone on this board. 

Are you that blind to your own hypocrisy?
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 08:17:12 PM
BTW...for those fantasizing about firing Pruitt this year and hiring a "Flavor of The Week" coach.
UTAD is projected to lose $40 + million this year and that was before the basketball season has become in jeopardy.
Does anyone believe we're going to buy out yet another coach's contract and pay mega millions to hire a name coach?
Dream on!
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 08:39:24 PM
I guess you won’t be criticizing Joe Biden since he has 48 years in politics and knows a hell of a lot more about it than anyone on this board. 

Are you that blind to your own hypocrisy?
What the hell are you ranting about?
Biden? Hypocrisy?
You're not making sense.
So far you would have fired  Majors,run JG off campus,fire Pruitt and fire Fulmer.
Get rational and tell us how we pay for it and who your flavor of the week coach is and how we pay for him
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: awinatl on November 24, 2020, 08:48:52 PM
Gym or anyone....How long should it take for a coach to turn a program around from the dumpster fire that Pruitt inherited?
A straight forward question for the critics.
2 years?
3 years
4 years
More?
Less?
By year 3 the trajectory should be trending up ....... and while assembling a staff he seems to have forgot that you still need coaches who can coach rather than 1 trick pony recruiters 
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: awinatl on November 24, 2020, 08:56:10 PM
I'm not sure about that. He signed some very large classes. I could be wrong, but I think Pitt was not as limited as UT and some others were.

Edited found this in a quick search

Class of ’73 keyed Pitt’s magical season | TribLIVE.com (https://archive.triblive.com/news/class-of-73-keyed-pitts-magical-season/)
So we’re going back FORTY-SEVEN years to justify why we should keep the captain of a rapidly sinking ship 
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 09:02:28 PM
By year 3 the trajectory should be trending up ....... and while assembling a staff he seems to have forgot that you still need coaches who can coach rather than 1 trick pony recruiters
So you would have fired Majors after 3 years and definitely after four years?
Both Pruitt and Majors inherited a team with very little SEC talent.
Both had losing records after  three years.
Majors was 5-6 in season four.
UTAD will lose a minimum of $40 million this year.
Firing Pruitt and coaching staff will be a minimum of $10 more in loses.
Hiring a name coach and competent staff would be at least another $10-20 million more.
That puts UTAD at a loss of $70-80 million this year which would hamstring our athletics department for the next 5-10 years.
You're the AD...what do you do?
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: DunkingDan on November 24, 2020, 09:06:19 PM
So we’re going back FORTY-SEVEN years to justify why we should keep the captain of a rapidly sinking ship
Post had nothing to do with any justifications, but a statement of facts concerning the different level of the playing fields both coached under.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
Thanks Dan,
I should clarify I'm not 100% sold on Pruitt myself but I am convinced firing a coach every 3-4 years is killing UT football.
I think that mentality has ruined one of the best football programs in college football.
When Pruitt was hired  there was almost 100 % agreement that it would take
4-5 years to get our talent level back to SEC caliber. We're in the middle of a screwy third year and the critics are calling for Pruitt to be fired.
We're repeating the same old cycle we've been at for 12 years now.


Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: jgvol on November 24, 2020, 09:20:11 PM
What the hell are you ranting about?
Biden? Hypocrisy?
You're not making sense.
So far you would have fired  Majors,run JG off campus,fire Pruitt and fire Fulmer.
Get rational and tell us how we pay for it and who your flavor of the week coach is and how we pay for him

I didn’t figure you'd address your hypocrisy.  Ill be here to remind you though.  😎
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 09:28:15 PM
I didn’t figure you'd address your hypocrisy.  Ill be here to remind you though.  😎
I still have no idea what your ranting about.Biden has been wrong about everything in his career.
Fulmers decision was based on his experience as the 2nd winnings coach in UT history.
All you've done is bitch,piss and complain.
Give us some solutions instead of name calling and demanding we fire everyone.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: jgvol on November 24, 2020, 09:32:09 PM
I still have no idea what your ranting about.Biden has been wrong about everything in his career.
Fulmers decision was based on his experience as the 2nd winnings coach in UT history.
All you've done is bitch,piss and complain.
Give us some solutions instead of name calling and demanding we fire everyone.


How do you know that Biden has been wrong about everything ?

Please, tell us about your vast political experience. 

If you don’t have any experience, then quit bitching, complaining, and name calling. 
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 09:40:50 PM
How do you know that Biden has been wrong about everything ?

Please, tell us about your vast political experience. 

If you don’t have any experience, then quit bitching, complaining, and name calling. 
You've really gone off the deep end.You're letting your temper prevent any reasonable discussion.
Have a nice evening ....while plotting who else to fire.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 09:44:51 PM
awinantl...You've gone strangely quiet since I promoted you to AD...what's your solution without bankrupting the athletic department.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 24, 2020, 09:49:08 PM
Who's excited for Dec 5???
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: DunkingDan on November 24, 2020, 09:49:46 PM
Thanks Dan,
I should clarify I'm not 100% sold on Pruitt myself but I am convinced firing a coach every 3-4 years is killing UT football.
I think that mentality has ruined one of the best football programs in college football.
When Pruitt was hired  there was almost 100 % agreement that it would take
4-5 years to get our talent level back to SEC caliber. We're in the middle of a screwy third year and the critics are calling for Pruitt to be fired.
We're repeating the same old cycle we've been at for 12 years now.
I'm not sold on him either.

I suspect with stability it will take 5-7 yrs to get talent levels across the board to start to competing at a higher level. 

The constant turnover not only affects the coaches you can hire buy the consistent level of recruits you can bring in as well.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: gymvol on November 24, 2020, 09:50:54 PM
Well if you want to talk history lets go back to Gen Neyland it didn't take him 4 or 5 years or even 3 he turned it around immediately because he knew how to coach and get the best out of his players.

If you want to talk about Majors lack of success when he first came to UT he didn't have the two assistants who had helped him to his fame Jimmy Johnson and Jackie Sherrill. It showed real quick when he came to UT without them who the real winners were.

He also hired the likes of Bill Pace who was former HC and loser at Vanderbilt

For people who think Tennessee is and always has been a football power house winning championships you need to check you history we haven't been since Gen Neyland.

Since 1965 we've won SEVEN SEC championships and haven't won one in over twenty years the last in 1998. One national championship since 1951 that's ONE mind you in 70 years.

Do I think Pruitt is going to be fired? No I don't but that doesn't keep me from pointing not only his moronic statements and illogical decisions but also the asinine decisions of those supposedly in charge of the University of Tennessee.

If you're willing to accept less than mediocrity and can make excuses for it then I feel sorry for you. But me I have never accepted mediocrity or make excuses for failure and never intend to.


Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: awinatl on November 24, 2020, 09:55:57 PM
Thanks Dan,
I should clarify I'm not 100% sold on Pruitt myself but I am convinced firing a coach every 3-4 years is killing UT football.
I think that mentality has ruined one of the best football programs in college football.
When Pruitt was hired  there was almost 100 % agreement that it would take
4-5 years to get our talent level back to SEC caliber. We're in the middle of a screwy third year and the critics are calling for Pruitt to be fired.
We're repeating the same old cycle we've been at for 12 years now.
Just curious had Dooley been kept around 5 years would we have been better off ?? Same with Butch?? 

The reason we are firing coaches every 3-4 years is because we’re hiring bad coaches every 3-4 years. Not firing a bad coach after 3-4 years is just as if not more harmful than keeping him for 5. 

Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 24, 2020, 09:56:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ju7mfHP.jpg)
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 24, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
Just curious had Dooley been kept around 5 years would we have been better off ?? Same with Butch??

The reason we are firing coaches every 3-4 years is because we’re hiring bad coaches every 3-4 years. Not firing a bad coach after 3-4 years is just as if not more harmful than keeping him for 5.


Well said!

Dooley was a sub-.500 HC at Louisiana Tech.  
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 24, 2020, 09:59:08 PM
On Thanksgiving in 2004, Tennessee held the all-time series lead against the Gators, 19-15.  Four games is a decent cushion.  
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Fast-forward to 2020.
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The all-time series is now 29-20, Florida.  Jesus Christ!  How'd that happen??
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: jgvol on November 24, 2020, 10:01:21 PM
You've really gone off the deep end.You're letting your temper prevent any reasonable discussion.
Have a nice evening ....while plotting who else to fire.


Temper?  Lol

pointing out your hypocrisy is not anger, it’s quite amusing.  

Keep running.....
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: DunkingDan on November 24, 2020, 10:02:17 PM
Well if you want to talk history lets go back to Gen Neyland it didn't take him 4 or 5 years or even 3 he turned it around immediately because he knew how to coach and get the best out of his players.

If you want to talk about Majors lack of success when he first came to UT he didn't have the two assistants who had helped him to his fame Jimmy Johnson and Jackie Sherrill. It showed real quick when he came to UT without them who the real winners were.

He also hired the likes of Bill Pace who was former HC and loser at Vanderbilt

For people who think Tennessee is and always has been a football power house winning championships you need to check you history we haven't been since Gen Neyland.

Since 1965 we've won SEVEN SEC championships and haven't won one in over twenty years the last in 1998. One national championship since 1951 that's ONE mind you in 70 years.

Do I think Pruitt is going to be fired? No I don't but that doesn't keep me from pointing not only his moronic statements and illogical decisions but also the asinine decisions of those supposedly in charge of the University of Tennessee.

If you're willing to accept less than mediocrity and can make excuses for it then I feel sorry for you. But me I have never accepted mediocrity or make excuses for failure and never intend to.
National championshipsEdit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tennessee_Volunteers_football&action=edit&section=4)

Tennessee has won six national championships (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS) from NCAA-designated major selectors.[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football#cite_note-2018ncaabook-5):112–115 Tennessee claims all six national championships.[6] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football#cite_note-6)[7] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football#cite_note-7) The Associated Press has acknowledged Tennessee as National Champions twice, but the #1 Vols lost in the Sugar Bowl in 1951 after being named AP and UPI National Champions due to the polls being conducted before the bowl season prior to 1968 and 1974 respectively. The 1938 and 1950 championships, while not AP titles, were recognized by a majority and a plurality of overall selectors/polls, respectively.[8] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football#cite_note-8)[9] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football#cite_note-9) Tennessee has also been awarded national championships by various organizations in eight additional years of 1914 1927, 1928, 1931, 1939, 1956, 1985, and 1989, though the school claims none.[10] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football#cite_note-10)

There is so many differences in so many factors relating to the game from Neylands era to now we probably would miss discussing them rationally, little alone being able to name them.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: jgvol on November 24, 2020, 10:04:48 PM
On Thanksgiving in 2004, Tennessee held the all-time series lead against the Gators, 19-15.  Four games is a decent cushion. 
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Fast-forward to 2020.
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The all-time series is now 29-20, Florida.  Jesus Christ!  How'd that happen??

roadvol hanging on to shitty coaches is how.  Next year he will turn it around in perpetuity.  
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: awinatl on November 24, 2020, 10:10:04 PM
awinantl...You've gone strangely quiet since I promoted you to AD...what's your solution without bankrupting the athletic department.
Lol ..... well one thing TN is awful I mean AWFUL at is the coaching search game... we gotta sneaky and slimy. If I were the AD I wouldn’t do anything unless I had one of my top 3 targets lined up behind the scenes...... anything short of that and we’re just trying to catch lightning in a bottle once again. Making assumptions we’ll finish 3-7 with 2 more beat downs coming our way so enthusiasm going into next year will be pretty dang low. So with a new coach who generates excitement and no attendance restrictions next year hopefully a significant increase in revenue occurs and softens the blow of 2020 and buyouts. Furthermore due to Covid there won’t be nearly as many competitors looking for coaches this year ...... it’s a buyers market and maybe just once we get the guy we really want. 
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: roadvol on November 24, 2020, 10:24:59 PM
Lol ..... well one thing TN is awful I mean AWFUL at is the coaching search game... we gotta sneaky and slimy. If I were the AD I wouldn’t do anything unless I had one of my top 3 targets lined up behind the scenes...... anything short of that and we’re just trying to catch lightning in a bottle once again. Making assumptions we’ll finish 3-7 with 2 more beat downs coming our way so enthusiasm going into next year will be pretty dang low. So with a new coach who generates excitement and no attendance restrictions next year hopefully a significant increase in revenue occurs and softens the blow of 2020 and buyouts. Furthermore due to Covid there won’t be nearly as many competitors looking for coaches this year ...... it’s a buyers market and maybe just once we get the guy we really want.
I do agree on one point.UT has never had a plan in place when they've fired a coach since Fuller was fired.
Pure idiocy!
I don't agree on another...quality coaches on the market will be at a minimum next season.It will be a sellers market.
UTAD would have to take a mortgage on all the other sports to pay for a quality coach.








Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: HK_Vol on November 24, 2020, 10:32:31 PM
Should've hired Jon Gruden....

Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: katmai on November 24, 2020, 10:42:53 PM
Gym or anyone....How long should it take for a coach to turn a program around from the dumpster fire that Pruitt inherited?
A straight forward question for the critics.
2 years?
3 years
4 years
More?
Less?
I would think you should normally get 4 years.  I think the issues this year are obviously tied to poor QB play, and that does fall on Pruitt and his staff that they have been unable to develop JG over 3 years, and have not brought in an adequate replacement.  I think this season is lost, so they might as well go with Bailey and give him some experience.  As bad as everyone likes to trash JG, with the exception of Bailey's late drive against Auburn, none of the alternatives have looked very good when given a chance.  
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: awinatl on November 24, 2020, 11:10:48 PM
Should've hired Jon Gruden....
Yes 2 or 3 times !! 
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: gymvol on November 25, 2020, 11:08:44 AM
National championshipsEdit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tennessee_Volunteers_football&action=edit&section=4)

Tennessee has won six national championships (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS) from NCAA-designated major selectors.[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football#cite_note-2018ncaabook-5):112–115 Tennessee claims all six national championships.[6] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football#cite_note-6)[7] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football#cite_note-7) The Associated Press has acknowledged Tennessee as National Champions twice, but the #1 Vols lost in the Sugar Bowl in 1951 after being named AP and UPI National Champions due to the polls being conducted before the bowl season prior to 1968 and 1974 respectively. The 1938 and 1950 championships, while not AP titles, were recognized by a majority and a plurality of overall selectors/polls, respectively.[8] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football#cite_note-8)[9] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football#cite_note-9) Tennessee has also been awarded national championships by various organizations in eight additional years of 1914 1927, 1928, 1931, 1939, 1956, 1985, and 1989, though the school claims none.[10] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football#cite_note-10)

There is so many differences in so many factors relating to the game from Neylands era to now we probably would miss discussing them rationally, little alone being able to name them.


The post was about things Pruitt should not have said you and others brought Majors with UT history into the conversation.

I just updated it to show since Neyland our history as a championship football program isn't there.

We're not even a winning program in the past twenty years because of the continual hiring of coaches like Pruitt extending their contracts undeservedly then having to pay through the nose to get rid of them

Anyone who managed a business like this would have been fired years ago or would have been bankrupt and the stock holders would not be making lame excuses for their failures.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: gymvol on November 25, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
I do agree on one point.UT has never had a plan in place when they've fired a coach since Fuller was fired.
Pure idiocy!
I don't agree on another...quality coaches on the market will be at a minimum next season.It will be a sellers market.
UTAD would have to take a mortgage on all the other sports to pay for a quality coach.











Get the Haslam family and Charlie Ergen from Dish Network to pony up the cash they were the big money behind bringing Fulmer on as AD allowing him to hire Pruitt.

It's all tax deductible in 2020 there is no limit on the donation being deductible so now is the time.

Now Is A Great Time To Give: New Charitable Rules Incentivize Generosity During COVID-19 (forbes.com) (https://www.forbes.com/sites/morgansimon/2020/04/08/now-is-a-great-time-to-give-new-charitable-rules-incentivize-generosity-during-covid-19/?sh=799011c366d2)
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: DunkingDan on November 25, 2020, 03:17:57 PM

The post was about things Pruitt should not have said you and others brought Majors with UT history into the conversation.

I just updated it to show since Neyland our history as a championship football program isn't there.

We're not even a winning program in the past twenty years because of the continual hiring of coaches like Pruitt extending their contracts undeservedly then having to pay through the nose to get rid of them

Anyone who managed a business like this would have been fired years ago or would have been bankrupt and the stock holders would not be making lame excuses for their failures.
Not to change the subject but Bama claims a lot of titles from many sources.

I am not going to argue if Pruitt is or is not the man. I do have questions but due to circumstances beyond his control I have to side with wait till next year. Additionally the finances make it extremely difficult to do as well.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: Cincydawg on November 25, 2020, 07:42:55 PM
https://www.fool.com/taxes/2019/01/19/1-charitable-deduction-you-cant-use-anymore.aspx

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/retirement/discussion/are-contributions-to-college-athletic-funds-deductable-if-priority-points-are-included/00/615514

Maybe the CARES act changed this, I dunno.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2020, 03:36:00 PM
5 straight losses, all by double-digits.
Title: Re: Jeremy Pruitt Saying All the Wrong Things Following Loss
Post by: HK_Vol on November 27, 2020, 02:56:22 AM
108-14 in the last five second halves.
That's 22-3 per game.

Basically, if Tennessee isn't ahead by 21 points at halftime, I expect to lose.