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Topic: Week 4 power rankings

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jgvol

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Re: Week 4 power rankings
« Reply #14 on: Today at 01:40:51 PM »
Yeah I think you win.

Sometimes when you win, you lose.....a lot..... for a long time.
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utee94

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Re: Week 4 power rankings
« Reply #15 on: Today at 02:46:46 PM »
Agree.  No coach that wins the national championship belongs in this discussion.

MikeDeTiger

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Re: Week 4 power rankings
« Reply #16 on: Today at 03:22:20 PM »
But we're factoring in terrible human beings, not just coaching ability. 

O may not have invented the bagman, but he perfected it long before he ever got to LSU.  He lied about Texas' A/C not working in the locker rooms.  He went nuts, leaving his wife of many years, sleeping around, posting photos of his sexual escapades on social media, and propositioning the wives of members of the BoR (yes, he really did that), and was run out on a rail for it. 

That doesn't even touch his coaching "prowess."  Which is what most people think he was fired for, thought it wasn't (see above).  Okay......won a NC, fine.  But given the entirety of his tenure, it's pretty obvious that he fell ass-backwards through no intelligence, design, or intention of his own into one of the greatest QBs the sport ever saw, and one of the best receiver tandems to boot.  Getting mind-numblingly lucky is not skill, and it's not a recipe for long term success. Which is why he ran both Ole Miss and LSU into the ground.  He couldn't even get coordinators to come work for him by the end, getting rejected by four different DCs he attempted to hire before finally, desperately getting a guy who had never coached defense anywhere close to the LSU level.  And this is at a school that had recently passed the $2 mil mark for paying coordinators, leading the nation.  How toxic and worthless do you have to be if people won't come to a school known for defensive talent, with a recruiting hotbed, for $2 mil per year? 

When talking about terrible coaches and terrible human beings, I feel like I've made a very strong case for him. 

Also.......we hired him back on this staff, so........geaux us, I guess.

utee94

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Re: Week 4 power rankings
« Reply #17 on: Today at 03:36:02 PM »
Forget it man, he's not in the conversation.  You have some coaches that are, but he ain't one of 'em.

Tom Herman is a terrible human being and also had a team that lost to Kansas and he never sniffed a national championship.  That's why he's in the conversation.

MikeDeTiger

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Re: Week 4 power rankings
« Reply #18 on: Today at 04:02:47 PM »
Forget it man, he's not in the conversation.  You have some coaches that are, but he ain't one of 'em.

Tom Herman is a terrible human being and also had a team that lost to Kansas and he never sniffed a national championship.  That's why he's in the conversation.

There is no LSU coach that approaches him.  Archer, Hallman, and DiNardo were all terrible, but at least they comported themselves well.  Orgeron doesn't even have that.  And three of his five seasons weren't any better than what those dweebs put on the field.  

I guess I need to know more about Tom Herman and why he's a terrible human being.  Did he go Art Biles/Hugh Freeze or something?  

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« Reply #19 on: Today at 04:15:06 PM »
Skeezy affairs, hiding things from his family and the university, total dick to his assistants and the team and pretty much everyone.  Just a real scumbag, which is the main reason why he was fired, but the losing to Kansas and generally poorly disciplined and unmotivated teams didn't help.

Anyway, the whole point is, we're talking about coaches who sucked, and I also mentioned Tom Herman being a bad person.  Ed O won a national championship.  He is not a part of that same conversation.

MikeDeTiger

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Re: Week 4 power rankings
« Reply #20 on: Today at 04:35:51 PM »
Joe Burrow, Joe Brady/Steve Ensminger, and Dave Aranda won a national championship.

Ed O is the luckiest sumbitch who ever lived who happened to be along for the ride.  We saw what he was made out of before and after those people left him.  Ole Miss and LSU are......not impressed.  

However, I can see the point from an outsider's perspective.  

MikeDeTiger

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Re: Week 4 power rankings
« Reply #21 on: Today at 04:42:34 PM »
Sometimes when you win, you lose.....a lot..... for a long time.

Sometimes you get a lose/lose.  

Closest thing I can think of for comparison.....Les Miles, when he was fired, I reluctantly agreed that it was time for him to go.  Not a fan of the way we did it, but I thought it was most likely time.  

I was wondering if you thought the same thing about Fulmer.  From an outside perspective, I didn't blame UT for letting him go.  Even looking back at the carousel UT put itself on as a result of that, I'm not sure it was the thing to do to keep him longer.  

Seems like you can be bit right on the ass in the crazy coaching market, searching for that perfect fit, and yet still have been right in firing the previous coach and entering that crazy market that takes a piece out of your derriere.  

 

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