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Topic: We need to talk about Jayden

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2023, 07:23:26 AM »
Nix wasn't all that his first year at Oregon, I think he improved.

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2023, 09:37:02 AM »
Burrow played 15 games, there's no way for Daniels to even get close to that.  But he is on par with 2019 Burrow through 11 games, although they get in done in different ways.

Actually, Daniels is ahead of Burrow in total production.  He's about 500 yards behind Burrow in passing yards through 11 games, but adds 1000+ rushing.  Add in Burrow's 240 rushing yds at this point, and Daniels is roughly 250 yds ahead of Burrow, with 3 more TDs accounted for so far.  Burrow was at 11.1 ypa passing thru 11 games, Daniels is at 11.8

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2023, 10:31:22 AM »
I'd guess he gets an invite to NYC along with Nix and Penix and ... ?

Bowers?  I don't expect Brock to win of course, but it would be nice were he to be invited.  For him, signing some contract will be nice too.  How high in the draft could a TE go?  He's the best TE UGA has ever had in my view, but far.

Heck, his backup is also pretty good.  And his backup.

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2023, 01:03:24 PM »
How many Heisman contenders get to go to New York?  Marvin Harrison, Jr. is getting some push within sports media.  He's probably a shoe-in for the Biletnikoff, although his numbers don't match either of LSU's two main WRs.  But the Biletnikoff usually doesn't go to the WR with the most receiving yards, TDs, etc. 

Daniels is currently the odds-on favorite for the Heisman, but the odds are subject to change every weekend, and I see three problems Daniels has.  First, he only has one more game to play, and nobody will be watching it.  A&M @ LSU will take place at the same time as Ohio State @ Michigan, and whatever Daniels does, nobody will see it, as everyone will be watching "The Game."  Next, Penix and Nix will likely be playing in the PAC12 CG while Daniels and LSU sit at home.  They'll not only get to run their passing numbers potentially past Daniels, but also they'll have a lot of voters' undivided attention, giving them more chances for "Heisman moments."  And voters are notorious for "what have you done for me lately," i.e., whoever is the last awesome performance they saw sticks in their mind the most and sways the votes big time.  Finally, those first two factors will be combined with LSU having 3 losses (assuming LSU doesn't lose to A&M), and many voters do not like voting for candidates on teams who aren't in contention for anything. 

If LSU loses to A&M, Daniels won't even get an invite even if he goes off for 700 yards all by himself.  If LSU remains a 3 loss team, I suspect the current sentiment will shift back to Nix as Daniels is basically done impressing the voters, while the other candidates are going to have a couple more chances on big stages.  Probably, Nix at least needs to have a bad game against Oregon State or Washington in the PAC12 CG. 

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2023, 01:08:12 PM »
Four usually, I think.  Stetson Bennett was there last year.

I think Carson Beck could be the best pure passer UGA ever had, including the guy with the Rams.  He'll get a nice check next year.

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2023, 02:59:45 PM »
3-5 go to NYC, depending where there's a voting drop-off.
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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2023, 03:00:55 PM »
I'd guess he gets an invite to NYC along with Nix and Penix and ... ?

Bowers?  I don't expect Brock to win of course, but it would be nice were he to be invited.  For him, signing some contract will be nice too.  How high in the draft could a TE go?  He's the best TE UGA has ever had in my view, but far.

Heck, his backup is also pretty good.  And his backup.







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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2023, 12:42:37 PM »

If you want to know who will win the Heisman just watch ESPN to see who their favorite is that's where the voters get their information.  Most of those voting seldom see the top candidates play.

Unless games are national telecasts most of those voting never get see the regional broadcasts of football games. They only see high lights on ESPN or other sporting broadcasts in their area. 
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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2023, 12:54:27 PM »
Oregon seems to be out of the major limelight playing most of their games late.

Jayden's numbers are there for all to see without watching a down.

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2023, 11:00:11 AM »
Looks like the graphic is cut off.  You have to click the link to open a separate tab to see the whole thing.  The biggest thing missing in this page is the final line, strength of schedule.  Daniels (LSU) = 7, the other two are 46 and 62.  Although I don't know where this SOS is coming from.  


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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2023, 03:34:22 PM »
Looks like the writing is pretty well on the wall.  Oregon is favored over Washington, probably with good reason imo.  If Oregon wins this weekend, the Heisman is probably going to Bo Nix. 

I will be really, really, really disappointed for Jayden.  Typically to win the Heisman with 3 losses, you need to be a statistical outlier....an anomaly.  Which is precisely what he is.  But the tea leaves say it doesn't matter this time. 

And not just an outlier for this season.  His 208 passer rating is an NCAA record and would rank first among Heisman winners all-time.  His 412.2 total ypg would be the best by a Heisman winner since 1989.  His 8.4 ypc would rank first among Heisman winners all-time.  His 10.7 ypp would rank first among Heisman winners all-time.  His 11.7 ypa would rank first among Heisman winners all-time.  He's the only player in SEC history to have 500 yards of offense in back-to-back games, and one of only two have 3500+ passing and 1000+ rushing. 

And it's going to go to Bo freakin' Nix.  It hasn't even happened yet and I pre-despise the Heisman voters.  

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2023, 12:57:51 PM »
unfortunately for him with 3 losses you need to be a stats phenom, which he is, but also not have a cfp contender have a stellar year themselves. nix, as loathsome as this is to admit, is having a stellar year. not near as good as daniels, but nix is about to set an ncaa record for comp%, has great yds, great td/in ratio, and an all around great year.

daniels, imo, is pretty clearly the best player in cfb this season, like tebow in 07. but there wasn't a title contending team with a great player that year, either.

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2023, 01:00:42 PM »
Bo Nix, QB, Oregon (-180): Nix has overtaken Daniels as the favorite, and he has the added advantage of playing in the PAC-12 Championship Game to make one more impression on the voters while Daniels and the Tigers fell shy of of a SEC Championship berth. Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU (+140): The transfer is putting up video game numbers through the air and on the ground, but might be a signature win short of the trophy. Michael Penix Jr., QB, Washington (+1600): The leader of the offense has the Huskies into the top four of the latest CFB Playoff rankings. The odds suggest he will need to beat Nix and the Ducks in the PAC-12 Championship.

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2023, 01:45:49 PM »
If they think Daniels lacks a signature win, they must've missed the Missouri game.  He put on a cape and single-handedly beat Missouri with his defense tied behind his back, AND he persisted through a bruised/cracked rib when Missouri blasted him, only to come back and keep scoring TDs. 

"Signature win" is a silly concept in the first place, though.  His best performance might be Ole Miss, but unfortunately he can't play defense.  Or it could've been A&M or Bama, whose defenses are highly rated both by advanced metrics and raw stats, and he made both units look mid.  It doesn't affect you being "The most outstanding player in cfb" when your defense never forces a punt after their first possession.  

 

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