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Topic: We need to talk about Jayden

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MikeDeTiger

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We need to talk about Jayden
« on: November 13, 2023, 11:20:05 AM »
After years of LSU weeping and gnashing their teeth over QB play, lamenting "If we only had a decent QB...", the universe and the cfb gods who rule it drops Joe Burrow and Jayden Daniels in our laps in the span of 4 years. 

Of course, the days that LSU could make anything out of a good QB are long behind us, as the defense, special teams, recruiting, coaching, just about everything else, is junk. 

This is not a good team, but Jayden Daniels is the best player in America.  In case you missed it, the kid set three different records Saturday night, an cfb one (only player with 350+ passing and 200+ rushing), an SEC one (most single game total yards), and an LSU one (most QB rushing yards).  He also helped the team to a Florida record, of the bad kind, the most yards ever allowed by a Florida team.  He busted off a TD run of 85 yards where he left Gator DBs in his wake, then topped that with a 51 yard score where he weaved in and out of every level of defender, sometimes juking them individually, sometimes an entire cluster of them, on his way to a score that somehow looked easy.  That last run caused former UGA QB Aaron Murray to drop his jaw and comment he's never seen anything like it.*

Quite simply, the kid is the Gingerbread Man. 

His running ability was obvious last year.  What I didn't see coming was his giant leap forward in being a pure passer.  Even without his legs, he looks like the best QB in America, and would still be top 5 in production.  As it is, he leads the nation in total offense, and according to Murray, has 100 more yards through 10 games than did Joe Burrow in 2019 and the same amount of TDs.  He won't get near Burrow's records because Burrow played 15 games and went mega-nuts down the stretch in the SECCG and playoffs, but pound for pound, he's absolutely having a comparable season. 

Too bad LSU and Kelly run a program that I doubt will field a complete team anytime soon, and if they ever do manage it, the odds are so far against lightning striking twice in 4 years like this that they get even infinitesimally smaller to ever see it again at LSU.  Congrats to them for wasting a generational player who somehow showed up for the second time in a generation. 

But Daniels is still amazing and fun to watch. 


*I have, imo.  While JD isn't the long-strider Vince Young was and has a different running motion, the way they seemed to float on air and dance in and around defenders who can never seem to get their hands on them are very similar.  Aaron Murray was probably just a pimple-faced kid when VY was doing his thing.  

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2023, 12:06:21 PM »
agreed, daniels is best cfb player this season, and i don't think it's all that close either. he's certainly fun to watch, unless he's shredding your team. hope he goes early in nfl, cause he needs to get out of cfb before we have to play him again.

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2023, 12:30:29 PM »
I just read that Alabama has never lost in the MB dome in 7 games.

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2023, 12:39:20 PM »
He's a senior, he's out of eligibility. 

I wanted to see if this offense (and Jayden) could do it against Alabama and PFF's two highest graded cornerbacks.  I can't see down the field on TV but they clearly covered our WRs better than he's used to because we saw him hold the ball longer and have to run more when he didn't trust the throw.  But he scampered through Alabama the same as everyone else, and eventually started finding some throws he liked. 

Mason Taylor's drive-killing drop in the 3rd quarter was absolutely brutal, and even though the LSU OL has been possibly the best in the nation, they didn't have the mental steel of the 2019 OL, because Bryant-Denny and the threat of Bama's front 7 definitely got in their heads, causing multiple false starts, which killed at least one other drive.  After Taylor's drop I knew the defense was well past stopping anything and the game was over, even before Daniels was knocked out. 

However, Daniels himself played rather well overall, I thought, and had he gone more than 3 quarters he was on pace for about as good of a game as I think you can possibly have against the Tide defense.  JMO, but I think LSU scores at least once more, and 35 is a lot of points on that D. 

Florida has not been good on defense, but it's still an SEC team and the records are noteworthy, imo, particularly coming off a mild concussion the previous week.  He'll have one more chance to do something against a good defense when A&M comes in.  Doubt he wins the Heisman, but he should, imo. 

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2023, 12:44:05 PM »
He should at least be a finalist, I think it goes to some QB on a better team.  I don't pay much attention to the Heisman "race".


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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2023, 12:54:35 PM »
Probably Penix or Bo Nix would be my guess.  Maybe Jayden can win the Davey O'Brien award. 

In other news, how crazy is that Bo Nix is probably the leading contender right now?  Who would've ever thought that in his Auburn days?  Not me.  

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2023, 01:07:57 PM »
Me too on Nix.  He never looked good when facing UGA anyway.  Good luck to him.

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2023, 02:26:35 PM »
ngl, dude had me nervous. our offense might not have needed your defense to stop us for you guys to get back in it. we're good at that ourselves sometimes.

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2023, 09:50:44 AM »
Heisman Trophy odds

[th]PLAYER[/th]
[th]ODDS[/th]
Bo Nix+100
Michael Penix Jr.+300
Jayden Daniels+400
Marvin Harrison Jr.+450
Carson Beck+4000
Jalen Milroe+5000


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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2023, 11:18:46 AM »
A tweet from some guy at The Athletic:

Most plays of 20+ yards in 2023:

76 - Jayden Daniels (this guy is ridiculous)
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57 - Michael Penix
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55 - Caleb Williams





Presumably true stats, but mostly I just thought it was funny that he chose to write out all the numbers to make his point.  

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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2023, 11:04:25 AM »
Currently:

Total YPG
Nix         333.4
Penix      335.5
Daniels   417.4

Total YPP
Penix      8.85
Nix         9.12
Daniels   10.75

Passing YPG
Nix         321.7  
Daniels   325.2
Penix      335.9

Passing YPA             
Penix      9.4
Nix         9.8
Daniels   11.8

Total pass yards
Nix         3539  (on 58 more attempts than Daniels)
Daniels   3577
Penix      3695  (on 91 more attempts than Daniels)

Passing TDs
Penix      30   (7 INTs)
Nix         35   (2 INTs)
Daniels   36   (4 INTs)

Rushing stats
Daniels   1014 yds, 92.18 ypg, 8.18 avg, 10 TDs
Nix         lololololololololololololol
Penix      lololololololololololololol

Daniels has played 56 fewer downs than Nix (likely because his defense can't get him the ball back in a timely manner), potentially equal to 8 drives, 5 TDs, 35 points and 400 yds.  Don't have info on Penix's number of downs played. 

Still don't expect JD5 to win the Heisman, but I'm just documenting a list of things to complain about years from now when I'm still bitter about it.  


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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2023, 08:31:32 PM »
Bo Nix would still be average in the SEC.  He wasn't good enough.  Suddenly, he's amazing.  Hmm, wonder why.
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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2023, 08:47:02 PM »
Yards are great and all, but you need to score TDs. 

Daniels vs all-time great seasons (SEC):
65  Burrow - LSU
55  Tebow - FLA
51  Newton - AUB
50  Young - ALA
48  Tagovailoa - ALA
47  Manziel - A&M
46  Daniels - LSU
46  Trask - FLA
46  Manziel - A&M
45  Lock - MIZ
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Props to the guys with 20+ rushing TDs (Tebow, Newton, Manziel (47)).
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Re: We need to talk about Jayden
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2023, 10:30:41 PM »
Burrow played 15 games, there's no way for Daniels to even get close to that.  But he is on par with 2019 Burrow through 11 games, although they get in done in different ways. 

 

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