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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2025, 09:37:41 AM »
I think we’d have a sot vs Alabama. UGA zero chance. 

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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2025, 09:38:59 AM »
I think A&M would beat Alabama.  I think A&M vs. UGA would be a heckuva game, which is why I want to see it.  

Although watching Alabama lose would be fine with me too.  

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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2025, 10:08:55 AM »
Back "in the day", I viewed winning the SEC as The Thing.  Winning some NC was basically out of reach, almost, needing some weird highly improbable sequence of events.  Not really a thing to which I aspired for "my team".

Now, I ponder if missing out on the CG is a "good thing".  Another week to rest up, get healthy, work on things in general, prepare for the playoff.  A win over Tech and the Dawgs get a 3 or 4 seed and bye (which last season was not much of a perk).  On the other hand, it's a plus to get to play in the CG, recruits probably see it, it's on national TV etc.

But you come out dinged up, with a 50% chance of a loss, no mo ...  huh.

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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2025, 01:21:55 PM »
Back "in the day", I viewed winning the SEC as The Thing.  Winning some NC was basically out of reach, almost, needing some weird highly improbable sequence of events.  Not really a thing to which I aspired for "my team".

Now, I ponder if missing out on the CG is a "good thing".  Another week to rest up, get healthy, work on things in general, prepare for the playoff.  A win over Tech and the Dawgs get a 3 or 4 seed and bye (which last season was not much of a perk).  On the other hand, it's a plus to get to play in the CG, recruits probably see it, it's on national TV etc.

But you come out dinged up, with a 50% chance of a loss, no mo ...  huh.

One of the things I rue most about today's CFB environment is that conference championships have lost much of their significance.

Utee and I have lamented this for years. Back in the "good old days," if you won your conference championship, you had a very successful year. You would go to a good bowl game. If you were lucky, and some things beyond your control fell into place, you might have a chance to be awarded a national championship.

I also lament that conferences are less and less regionally based.
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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #60 on: November 16, 2025, 04:38:52 PM »
I also lament that conferences are less and less regionally based.

Sort of related to this:  the sheer size of conferences now.

I was thinking this morning about how with 16 teams now and no discernible rotation so far, the schedules are more disparate than ever, and without divisions, I greatly struggle to remember who plays who.  

There's always been games I didn't get the chance to watch, but prior to Texas and OU entering the league, I knew Vanderbilt played Kentucky at some point.  I knew Ole Miss played Arkansas at some point.  Etc., etc.  It seems that just knowing about the schedules helped me retain the results better.  So now I'm not even sure if those two example games happened this year, and it exacerbates my failure to remember much about league results.  Granted, I've also mentioned my failure to remember much about LSU's schedule or the results.  

But the point is I think I identified another facet of today's game that detracts another small piece that used to make it more enjoyable.  I don't know who's playing who anymore.  There's more conference games than ever to keep up with, so I'm missing a greater percentage of games, having only the time to watch the same amount as I used to, so I'm aware of less than I used to be.  And I have no general knowledge--such as teams in the East and West who will all play each other--so the landscape of the SEC is that much more dizzying and out of focus for me. 

I hope having the three "perma"-rivals will help with that.  I won't be able to keep up with a lot of matches, but at least there will be a small handful of teams tied to other teams that will help me better recall the schedules, and thus remember results.  

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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #61 on: November 16, 2025, 11:22:23 PM »
Sort of related to this:  the sheer size of conferences now.

I was thinking this morning about how with 16 teams now and no discernible rotation so far, the schedules are more disparate than ever, and without divisions, I greatly struggle to remember who plays who. 

There's always been games I didn't get the chance to watch, but prior to Texas and OU entering the league, I knew Vanderbilt played Kentucky at some point.  I knew Ole Miss played Arkansas at some point.  Etc., etc.  It seems that just knowing about the schedules helped me retain the results better.  So now I'm not even sure if those two example games happened this year, and it exacerbates my failure to remember much about league results.  Granted, I've also mentioned my failure to remember much about LSU's schedule or the results. 

But the point is I think I identified another facet of today's game that detracts another small piece that used to make it more enjoyable.  I don't know who's playing who anymore.  There's more conference games than ever to keep up with, so I'm missing a greater percentage of games, having only the time to watch the same amount as I used to, so I'm aware of less than I used to be.  And I have no general knowledge--such as teams in the East and West who will all play each other--so the landscape of the SEC is that much more dizzying and out of focus for me.

I hope having the three "perma"-rivals will help with that.  I won't be able to keep up with a lot of matches, but at least there will be a small handful of teams tied to other teams that will help me better recall the schedules, and thus remember results.

I agree with all of that. The increase in conference sizes has come hand-in-hand with expanding beyond the geographic boundaries of the traditional conferences.

I think that 12 teams is about the max size for a conference where fans know what teams are playing whom. Except for the loss of the OU-Nebraska rivalry as an annual game, I loved the 2-division arrangement of the Big 12 in its original form. We played every other team in our division, and for years A1 and A2, we played 3 teams in the other division, and for years B1 and B2, we played the other 3 teams in the other division. I liked the arrangement of the Big 8 even better. Round-robin is the best of all conference schedules.
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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #62 on: Today at 09:41:32 AM »
So let me ask you:  Would you rather have had the SEC's old rotation when OU was in the Big 12 with Nebraska and Colorado?  This would've meant having one cross-division game locked in every year, in OU's case let's assume it would've been Nebraska.  The trade-off for playing Nebraska every year would've been that OU played all the other North teams home and away over a 5 year period instead of a 4 year period.  

Would you have made that tradeoff to keep Nebraska annual?  Or would you prefer what y'all had, with all six cross-division teams rotating on and off the schedule every 4 years?  

Texas, of course, would've been locked into K-State, since that's who UT loved playing so much :)

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« Reply #63 on: Today at 10:04:43 AM »
So let me ask you:  Would you rather have had the SEC's old rotation when OU was in the Big 12 with Nebraska and Colorado?  This would've meant having one cross-division game locked in every year, in OU's case let's assume it would've been Nebraska.  The trade-off for playing Nebraska every year would've been that OU played all the other North teams home and away over a 5 year period instead of a 4 year period. 

Would you have made that tradeoff to keep Nebraska annual?  Or would you prefer what y'all had, with all six cross-division teams rotating on and off the schedule every 4 years? 

Texas, of course, would've been locked into K-State, since that's who UT loved playing so much :)
When the B12 was formed, they considered doing the 1 x-div perma-rival thing, primarily because it would preserve NU-OU.

From the rumor mill, Texas' likely x-div perma-rival, would have been Colorado.  

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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #64 on: Today at 10:11:31 AM »
Colorado makes some cultural sense.  The Stoned River Rivalry, maybe. 

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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #65 on: Today at 10:16:45 AM »
There has been suggestions that any team can schedule any other team at any time, even when those teams are conference foes.  If the game was so important to those fanbases, they could have simply scheduled to play them as a "non-conference" game.  I have no idea how that would work WRT payout splits, TV rights, the whole 9, but I'm assuming something could be worked out.  

Of course you'd have to give up one of your LSOP (Little Sisters of the Poor) games, but I don't even really think you'd have to do that as most teams schedule one "marquee" game every season anyways like Ohio St/UT or A&M/ND.  You could just make your marquee game your rival game.  

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« Reply #66 on: Today at 10:20:57 AM »
There has been suggestions that any team can schedule any other team at any time, even when those teams are conference foes.  If the game was so important to those fanbases, they could have simply scheduled to play them as a "non-conference" game.  I have no idea how that would work WRT payout splits, TV rights, the whole 9, but I'm assuming something could be worked out. 

Of course you'd have to give up one of your LSOP (Little Sisters of the Poor) games, but I don't even really think you'd have to do that as most teams schedule one "marquee" game every season anyways like Ohio St/UT or A&M/ND.  You could just make your marquee game your rival game. 

Assuming that's correct in theory, the drawback is most non-con. dates are early in the season, and teams like OU and Nebraska probably would prefer to put that game later in the season.  

Most of the biggest rivalry games are delayed until the final weekend, and even UT-OU is played in the middle of the season.  I doubt they'd want to move it any earlier than that, because they want the team to have fully gelled and had some warmup layups to tune up on.  

Novelty games are often played in week 1, i.e., LSU and Clemson this year.  But if LSU and Clemson were big rivals who wanted to play each other every year and actually cared way more about the game, they wouldn't want it to be week 1.  Or even week 2 or 3.  

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« Reply #67 on: Today at 10:34:42 AM »
Assuming that's correct in theory, the drawback is most non-con. dates are early in the season, and teams like OU and Nebraska probably would prefer to put that game later in the season. 

Most of the biggest rivalry games are delayed until the final weekend, and even UT-OU is played in the middle of the season.  I doubt they'd want to move it any earlier than that, because they want the team to have fully gelled and had some warmup layups to tune up on. 

Novelty games are often played in week 1, i.e., LSU and Clemson this year.  But if LSU and Clemson were big rivals who wanted to play each other every year and actually cared way more about the game, they wouldn't want it to be week 1.  Or even week 2 or 3. 
Well, to be blunt, I think the Big 12 f'ked up on this one.  They could have done whatever they wanted to at the start, in 1996 season.  And if you think about it, it was probably both OU and Nebraska to blame, but whoever made the choice made a major blunder.  

Given the fact that the conference had an un-equal revenue sharing structure, it was already apparent that oSu, KSU, KU, ISU, Baylor, and Texas Tech were essentially along for the ride, they would probably be good for whatever NU/OU wanted.  I think about this quite a bit, as I really enjoyed the old Big 12.  We had 3 true blue bloods in OU/Tex/Nebraska, a couple of "barons" or whatever you want to call the #10-20 group in A&M, Mizzou, CU, and possibly KSU and oSu, and there were some times where the rest of the conference could be really good with Tech having really good teams in the 2000s and hell even KU won the Orange Bowl one year.  It was a great conference that we somehow let slip away for reasons nobody fully understands.  

Anyways, I feel strongly that all the logistics and details could have been easily worked out before anything ever got set, and Neb/OU should have been a top priority in the early days and for whatever reason they dropped the ball.  

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« Reply #68 on: Today at 10:47:30 AM »
Well, to be blunt, I think the Big 12 f'ked up on this one.  They could have done whatever they wanted to at the start, in 1996 season.  And if you think about it, it was probably both OU and Nebraska to blame, but whoever made the choice made a major blunder. 

Given the fact that the conference had an un-equal revenue sharing structure, it was already apparent that oSu, KSU, KU, ISU, Baylor, and Texas Tech were essentially along for the ride, they would probably be good for whatever NU/OU wanted.  I think about this quite a bit, as I really enjoyed the old Big 12.  We had 3 true blue bloods in OU/Tex/Nebraska, a couple of "barons" or whatever you want to call the #10-20 group in A&M, Mizzou, CU, and possibly KSU and oSu, and there were some times where the rest of the conference could be really good with Tech having really good teams in the 2000s and hell even KU won the Orange Bowl one year.  It was a great conference that we somehow let slip away for reasons nobody fully understands. 

Anyways, I feel strongly that all the logistics and details could have been easily worked out before anything ever got set, and Neb/OU should have been a top priority in the early days and for whatever reason they dropped the ball. 

It has been suggested by posters (that are still posting on this message board), that Oklahoma didn't push too hard to maintain it.  They were in the middle of a bit of a slump and Nebraska was on fire, and the idea of NOT getting clobbered by that Husker freight train every year, might have been appealing to some of the folks in the administration at OU.

As you point out, ultimately if they'd wanted it bad enough, they would have made it happen.  They didn't, and they didn't.

The rest, as they say, is history.

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« Reply #69 on: Today at 11:03:37 AM »
It has been suggested by posters (that are still posting on this message board), that Oklahoma didn't push too hard to maintain it.  They were in the middle of a bit of a slump and Nebraska was on fire, and the idea of NOT getting clobbered by that Husker freight train every year, might have been appealing to some of the folks in the administration at OU.

As you point out, ultimately if they'd wanted it bad enough, they would have made it happen.  They didn't, and they didn't.

The rest, as they say, is history.
I've often heard that, but what is true and what is simply rumors, who knows?  Surely the OU players at the time weren't that scared of Nebraska?  I mean OU had won the MNC not even ten years prior, especially around the 1994 time frame when the Big 12 first started to evolve.  

But we can talk about it until the cows come home, what's done is done.  

 

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