Seems like it's not confirmed yet. To be honest, Michigan's linebacking play has been crap for a decade now (just how many defeciencies Bush covered up became apparant, and he and Jake Ryan are the only decent ones they've had since Carr's last group of Harris-Crable-Burgess), but apparently he's a very good recruiterDon’t know if true or not but Ohio states linebacker play was the worst this year in at least eight decade. Granted it’s partially because they’ve lost so many players as underclassmen to the NFL but it was still pretty dismal this year. If true side bonus is that Washington is from Ohio and has very strong inroads into recruiting
https://twitter.com/JamesTYoder/status/1080680644735365120
Seems like it's not confirmed yet. To be honest, Michigan's linebacking play has been crap for a decade now (just how many defeciencies Bush covered up became apparant, and he and Jake Ryan are the only decent ones they've had since Carr's last group of Harris-Crable-Burgess), but apparently he's a very good recruiterWouldn’t trust anything that idiot says. He’s “Ace Williams” from Chatsports.
https://twitter.com/JamesTYoder/status/1080680644735365120
How long has this guy been at M?As ELA says their LB play has dropped,so if he's been there a while he could be part of the problem.Just my .02He’s been there just one year.
Jordan Fuller coming backGreat news.
Alex Grinch leaving OSU for OklahomaWonder if he would of stayed if Schiano was sent packing?He did good things in Pullman with the Pirate.I hate this co-horshit Urbz always employed 2 DC's,prolly why he left.There were 2 OC's with Day & Wilson.Chit a few years back Urbz had 9-that's right 9 co captains.Sometime UFM just thought he was smarter than the field.Wish Ryan Day luck but he could have fumbled the ball here - hope I'm wrong
Buckeye fans have been seeing that type of play for a long while, just hope he can throw better than Miller and Barrett, it has been nice seeing a true pocket passer this season, almost forgot what it looked like!Who knows if he turns out to be any good. But you have obviously never seen his highlight reel if you are unsure of his throwing ability.
Fields seems like a kid with a screw loose upstairs.Curious on both takes? Why does he have a screw loose?
Highly doubtful he gets the waiver to play right away, which means if Martell balls out and locks that job down for 2020 and beyond, Fields probably transfers again.
Curious on both takes? Why does he have a screw loose?Yeah at this point everyone gets it.
Also- seems like almost a sure thing for eligibility. If Patterson got it, the standards are super low. Wasn’t his brother on the coaching staff that supposedly kept him from knowing the degree of sanctions that could be coming?
Also, if the only guy they had was Baldwin, that would be ok. He is the sleeper in all of this. Kid reminds of a more mobile Haskins with his arm strength, touch an accuracy.
Wonder if he would of stayed if Schiano was sent packing?He did good things in Pullman with the Pirate.I hate this co-horshit Urbz always employed 2 DC's,prolly why he left.There were 2 OC's with Day & Wilson.Chit a few years back Urbz had 9-that's right 9 co captains.Sometime UFM just thought he was smarter than the field.Wish Ryan Day luck but he could have fumbled the ball here - hope I'm wrongUrbs didn't strike me as the "everyone gets a trophy" type...
Wonder if he would of stayed if Schiano was sent packing?He did good things in Pullman with the Pirate.I hate this co-horshit Urbz always employed 2 DC's,prolly why he left.There were 2 OC's with Day & Wilson.Chit a few years back Urbz had 9-that's right 9 co captains.Sometime UFM just thought he was smarter than the field.Wish Ryan Day luck but he could have fumbled the ball here - hope I'm wrongThe double coordinator thing is usually to get people more titles so you can get them more money. Sometimes it refers to the structure of roles, but often times not.
The double coordinator thing is usually to get people more titles so you can get them more money. Sometimes it refers to the structure of roles, but often times not.Good points but I recall something about too many chefs......
Good points but I recall something about too many chefs......They know. When FSU hired away Barnett, nobody acted like we lost one of our two coordinators, we knew until this year it was a title only for tressell.
They know. When FSU hired away Barnett, nobody acted like we lost one of our two coordinators, we knew until this year it was a title only for tressell.That may be but IMO Grinch came in expecting the gig.So who was answering to who?Had to be a solid reason for him to bolt after one season.Perhaps a chance to make a name for himself that he didn't appear to be getting in C-Bus.Be interesting moving forward to see what he can make of the Sooners "D".
Why wouldn't they have just kept Grinch?No earthly idea other than maybe Day just hated most everyone on the defensive staff and is cleaning house.
Curious on both takes? Why does he have a screw loose?I say that because Fields committed to 3 different teams as a recruit, went to Georgia thinking he would just win the starting job despite Georgia having a really good young QB firmly entrenched in Jake Fromm, and as soon as he didn’t win it as a true frosh he decided to transfer.
Also- seems like almost a sure thing for eligibility. If Patterson got it, the standards are super low. Wasn’t his brother on the coaching staff that supposedly kept him from knowing the degree of sanctions that could be coming?
Why wouldn't they have just kept Grinch?Most of the fans were thinking/hoping the same thing.He'll get his chance in Norman so we'll find out in a few years how it shakes out.I thought Grinch was a good pick up.Hope Mattison still has it
Seems like it's not confirmed yet. To be honest, Michigan's linebacking play has been crap for a decade now (just how many defeciencies Bush covered up became apparant, and he and Jake Ryan are the only decent ones they've had since Carr's last group of Harris-Crable-Burgess), but apparently he's a very good recruiterWell, seems like the offer is officially out there now
https://twitter.com/JamesTYoder/status/1080680644735365120
I say that because Fields committed to 3 different teams as a recruit, went to Georgia thinking he would just win the starting job despite Georgia having a really good young QB firmly entrenched in Jake Fromm, and as soon as he didn’t win it as a true frosh he decided to transfer.Thanks. Was wondering what was behind your thoughts.
He has zero shot in hell to get the waiver to play right away. His entire argument is a baseball player there called him the n word sometime in October and Fields was scared for his life. LOL. Well that baseball player was kicked off the team and out of school by Georgia basically immediately, and Fields stayed at Georgia all the way until a week ago. And his younger sister just enrolled at Georgia and is taking classes there.
You are comparing apples to oranges. Patterson showed that Ole Miss and specifically that dirtbag Hugh Freeze misled recruits about the sanctions and penalties. Patterson wasn’t the only kid to get an immediate playing time waiver. Every kid on that team who applied for it got it.
Fields has no argument for a waiver. None. Someone called me the N word and then that someone got kicked out of school, so hey NCAA, let me transfer halfway round the country and play right away please. NCAA will laugh him out of the building.
Thanks. Was wondering what was behind your thoughts.I’d be surprised if he gets it.
I have read quite a few sportswriter opinions on the fields eligibility waiver. The prevailing thought is
Virtually a lock to get it. Thamel said it best as to why. I don’t necessarily agree- but I do think
He gets it. I do not think that he automatically
Wins the job. People are underestimating
Martell and especially Baldwin. Go watch his tape
- incredible passer.
I know that Medina likes to use WWII as a starting point for anything that resembles the modern day game of college FB, and it is a good one to use across the board for a myriad of reasons, but for specifically Ohio State I think there is a strong case for 1934 being the primary pivotal point of Buckeye FB emerging as we know it today.I think that this is a good point and I think, for Ohio State, that it is somewhere in the 1930's but not necessarily exactly 1934. Per Stassen:
The NCAA will definitely grant it. There is no way that they will be willing to die on that hill, and willingly endure the resulting negative press and potential Nation-wide player protests.Doubtful. What will the protests be? I’m just not seeing it.
I think that this is a good point and I think, for Ohio State, that it is somewhere in the 1930's but not necessarily exactly 1934. Per Stassen:I think this is actually a solid argument that 1934 was the pivotal point. A symbolic closing of the door on their OAC roots with one final beat down of a team that used to have OSU's number, before going all in on THE GAME.
- Ohio State's last game against an old in-state opponent was against Western Reserve (later part of Case Western Reserve) in 1934.
- The Michigan game moved to November in 1934 but it wasn't last (Iowa was) until 1935.
If a modern Ohio State fan got in Doc Brown's Delorean and went to a game in say 1928 I think he'd be lost. In 1928 the Michigan game was in October, the OOC games were Wittenberg, Muskingum, and Princeton, and the Buckeyes went 5-2-1. However, if that same fan popped into a game in Ohio Stadium in 1942 he'd mostly feel right at home (with the exception of the wartime games against military installations). In 1942 the Michigan game was in November and last except for the addition of Iowa Pre-Flight. The OOC games were Fort Knox, the aforementioned Iowa Pre-Flight, USC, and Pitt, and the Buckeyes finished 9-1.
Doubtful. What will the protests be? I’m just not seeing it.I've not heard him saying Georgia is unsafe for black people. But one of their star baseball players was calling him the n-word from the stands during a game, and then the baseball player got kicked off the team. Fields is also a baseball prospect. There's no doubt that the baseball player probably had a lot of support from the baseball team and from many at the school, and will blame Fields for him being kicked off the team. That's an ugly situation and I don't blame Fields for not wanting to be in it anymore.
The kid is using the race card just because he didn’t start as a true freshman and now he wants to transfer and play right away. It’s honestly despicable imo. He’s claiming Georgia is an unsafe place for black athletes and he faced discrimination daily and that’s why he’s leaving. It’s simply not true. And it’s wreckless and shortsighted on his part and just flat out wrong.
I have 2 thoughts so far.As far as continuity, anyone watching can see that the defense needed a shakeup, and honestly I think part of the reason Meyer retired is that he doesn't want to can his good friends. As far as Michigan, they have fielded some pretty good defenses, and they recruit the same areas as OSU.
1) I thought the whole point of bringing Day in as Head coach is to keep continuity, to show everyone that the ship Meyer was sailing was s till strong.
2) If OSU has owned TTUN for the last 2 decades why are we rushing to fill our staff with theirs???
I feel like Mattison was hails at brilliant when he starter, and then the shine wore off. Granted, being on this board for over a decade (lord), it seems as if every Michigan reset came with a wave of promise and then gradual slip.LOL ain't that the truth. I feel like people tend to overrate assistant coaches as some sort of magic men. If Mattison just gets the defense to play sound football, he'll likely be hailed as a great messiah. He's been coaching longer than I've been watching football, and he's had plenty of rough seasons. But he was co-coordinator with Charlie Strong under the Urbs at Florida, in a setup that seems really similar to what they are doing now. I was also impressed when he and Hoke took over for Rich Rod's team and turned them immediately into a competent defense.
I say that because Fields committed to 3 different teams as a recruit, went to Georgia thinking he would just win the starting job despite Georgia having a really good young QB firmly entrenched in Jake Fromm, and as soon as he didn’t win it as a true frosh he decided to transfer.Yah, you be the guy/organization that says his racism case is week. We all know it is, but going on record saying that is a career ender.
He has zero shot in hell to get the waiver to play right away. His entire argument is a baseball player there called him the n word sometime in October and Fields was scared for his life. LOL. Well that baseball player was kicked off the team and out of school by Georgia basically immediately, and Fields stayed at Georgia all the way until a week ago. And his younger sister just enrolled at Georgia and is taking classes there.
You are comparing apples to oranges. Patterson showed that Ole Miss and specifically that dirtbag Hugh Freeze misled recruits about the sanctions and penalties. Patterson wasn’t the only kid to get an immediate playing time waiver. Every kid on that team who applied for it got it.
Fields has no argument for a waiver. None. Someone called me the N word and then that someone got kicked out of school, so hey NCAA, let me transfer halfway round the country and play right away please. NCAA will laugh him out of the building.
Harbaugh picked a bad time to go on vacation.Lol. True.
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OSU got two really good recruiters, that’s for sure.I would be surprised if he stays more than two years. He lives football, but is not a young coach any longer, and as I said is a Michigan Man which makes it even more strange that he would leave a position he was secure with to move to Columbus, to possibly finish out his coaching career. Strange!
Mattison has kind of slowed down with age, he’s not on the road as much as he used to be, but he’s still a great recruiter. Who knows how much longer he’s got left in the tank. He is 70. But if OSU can get a few solid years out of him, it’s a great hire.
As for Al Washington. He was in Ann Arbor for less than a year. Not sure how good of a coach he is or isn’t. The LB play honestly fell off with him. Khaleke Hudson absolutely regressed, Devin Gil and Josh Ross were both very up and down, and Devin Bush was his amazing self. Bush really didn’t get any worse or better, he just kinda stayed the same. All of this sort of leads me to believe he’s probably not the best LB coach.
Washington was a hell of a recruiter though. He will kill it recruiting at OSU. Next to Chris Partridge, OSU just poached Michigan’s second best recruiter in Washington.
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block.Man that sucks. Been through that, too. On the football side, though, I haven't been to a game in years and don't really miss it.
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block.Sorry to hear that man
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block.Damn. Been there 3 years ago. Two words: lawyer up. I wish I had.
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block.that sucks... sorry to hear that.
Damn. Been there 3 years ago. Two words: lawyer up. I wish I had.We have a family lawyer. I put into the separation contract, that if this leads to divorce he will represent my side.
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block.Sorry to hear this. It will get better. Trust it.
The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend.Well I'm both happy and sad for you.Godspeed with the kids/situation
And I will miss going to the games.Well the SOC Thread has been a staple going back during saturdays in the season.Really starts cranking in Oct and can get quite lively
Tate Martell enters the NCAA transfer portal. Day probably told him flat out you’re going to be the 3rd guy in spring ball behind Baldwin and Fields imo.I don't know that he would say that. If tate leaves and Fields isn't eligible, OSU will have a real thin time at quarterback.
Tate Martell enters the NCAA transfer portal. Day probably told him flat out you’re going to be the 3rd guy in spring ball behind Baldwin and Fields imo.Why would a coach basically tell a former top-60 recruit to just eff off? He's not a salty fan. He's a guy who wants to have access to lots of talented QBs.
Why would a coach basically tell a former top-60 recruit to just eff off? He's not a salty fan. He's a guy who wants to have access to lots of talented QBs.Not sure Day would have said outright, kid-you will be third string at best. Who knows, but he is not the type of QB I would see in Day's offensive scheme. He did not impress last year with is arm in the Spring Game, and never really had a chance for playing time behind Haskins, which I found odd in a few of the blow games. The mythical Red Zone scheme never was developed like Urban claimed and he has to get on the field this year, not much college time left for the kid. The surprising thing was all the smack talk he was doing prior to Fields announcing, talking about he looks forward to competition and such-then tucks tail. Just because he is entered, does not mean he is leaving, guess we have to wait and see if Day pulls his scholarship/Aide.
In what world would this happen unless the kid was just a massive cancer?
Not sure Day would have said outright, kid-you will be third string at best. Who knows, but he is not the type of QB I would see in Day's offensive scheme. He did not impress last year with is arm in the Spring Game, and never really had a chance for playing time behind Haskins, which I found odd in a few of the blow games. The mythical Red Zone scheme never was developed like Urban claimed and he has to get on the field this year, not much college time left for the kid. The surprising thing was all the smack talk he was doing prior to Fields announcing, talking about he looks forward to competition and such-then tucks tail. Just because he is entered, does not mean he is leaving, guess we have to wait and see if Day pulls his scholarship/Aide.Three things
Breaking down the jersey before 1934:Okay, upon further inspection the jerseys were numbered during the Wilce era, just not on the front which was the only part visible on the team photos that I was examining.
In the pre-Eckstrom era, 1890-98, they initially wore the baseball uniforms but switched after a few seasons to horizontally striped scarlet and grey rugby sweaters. The "grey stripe" on the sleeve was born. They burned through a lot of coaches with Fred Ryder being the most prominent one, coaching from 1892-95, as well as 1898. They were a middling program that mustered only one Conference title before the OIAA disbanded. They only played Michigan once, in 1897, and it was a loss. They went only 3-6 against Kenyon, who was their primary rival at the time.
John Eckstrom coached the team from 1899-1901, which was the pinnacle of the pre-Big Ten era. They had an iconic look with Red sweaters that had a block O on the front and long, horizontally striped scarlet and grey sleeves. This is the inspiration for the modern jersey obviously, only with a block letter instead of block numbers. They won two state titles, including an undefeated 1899 campaign, kicked off the annual Michigan series with a tie in 1900, and went 3-0 vs Kenyon, which kicked off a winning streak in that series that is technically still alive to this day.
OAC era: 1902-1912. They rolled through this era with the Eckstrom jerseys, albeit with the caveat that only one player had the block O on the front; presumably the QB or maybe the head captain. The era was somewhat disappointing after the Eckstrom administration. They went undefeated against Kenyon, but went winless against Michigan with the lone tie in 1910. They did manage to muster a pair of OAC titles in 1906 and 1912.
Dr John Wilce era: 1913-1928. The Buckeyes joined the Big Ten in 1913, and Wilce guided the buckeyes from then until 1928. The Eckstrom jersey was replaced with the "Chic Harley" look that had leather helmets and a Scarlet sweater with vertical Grey stripes across the front. The grey striping was removed from the sleeves entirely. They stuck with that look the entire time that Wilce was the coach, with zero modifications whatsoever. A lot of innovations in that era obviously. Big Ten, Ohio Stadium, the first two all Americans, the Illibuck Trophy, Senior Tackle, and so forth. The Michigan series was suspended from 13-17, but Wilce collected wins over them in 19, 20, 21, and 28. Big Ten Titles in 16, 17 and 20.
The era between Wilce and Schmidt: 1929 to 1933. They reverted back to the old Eckstrom look for the jerseys, initially with numbered jerseys in 1929, but with the numbers removed for the duration of that era. Sam Williman was the coach, and he did not fare well. Script Ohio became a thing in 1932, so there's that. He did manage to muster a pair of Michigan wins in 29 and 31. The striping on the sleeve was dialed back from being a sleeve made entirely out of grey stripes to one that had just a small band of stripes above the elbow, more like the modern look.
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block.Best of luck to you.
RB Brian Snead leaving the programForgot all about him. Sounds like he was suspended for rules violation, and never reinstated. It's perplexing, how something can be so big the kids gets suspended for 10 games (indefinite,) but so small that it's not documented anywhere (police report, University investigation, grades, etc.)?!?
RB Brian Snead leaving the programNOt a big loss in the RB room, that position is very deep, and talented. I am looking forward to watching Master Teague run the ball this Fall. It will be nice to see Dobbins as the full number one back, not having to split time with Weber, I was just never able to get into Weber running the ball. I know he had some solid games, but just like the split duties hampered both guys, and thought Dobbins was the better back overall.
NOt a big loss in the RB room, that position is very deep, and talented. I am looking forward to watching Master Teague run the ball this Fall. It will be nice to see Dobbins as the full number one back, not having to split time with Weber, I was just never able to get into Weber running the ball. I know he had some solid games, but just like the split duties hampered both guys, and thought Dobbins was the better back overall.have a feeling you might be singing a different tune this season. Weber was a tough SOB who ran hard and played through lotta injuries and still produced. He really softened up defenses for Dobbins. I don't think Dobbins is a full-time RB. He's better as a change of pace in a rotation imo. Not a knock on him, he's a spectacular player, but you need that guy who is going to get the tough yards and move the chains and keep drives alive. That's not Dobbins. That was Weber.
They might as well just completely get rid of the sitting out ruleyeah no shit. NCAA is a joke. Might as well just get rid of the entire damn NCAA if you ask me.
Greg Schiano lands in N.E. as D.C. for B.B.,glad he got a decent gig IMO unfairly got his name dragged thru the mudmust be nice to fail upwards. B.B. is always the real DC in NE anyways. He'll just be Bill's latest errand boy.
I think the surprise isn't the decision but the speed. Maybe I'm too close to Michigan and have missed a key comparison, but I figured Shea's case was more of a slam dunk, and that took forever.Didn't Ole Miss try to fight that? It's hard to figure out how the NCAA works on these things, but from what I can tell Georgia didn't fight it, which probably sped things up quite a bit. I'm spitballing here but I imagine his lawyer had plenty of other instances of racism by supposed Georgia fans ready to go in case someone wanted to make a public spat. Georgia wisely declined.
Fields is a good young man and excellent athlete, he should do well at OSU.I'm guessing Fields will have more success at OSU than Tua will have with the Sooners
I'm not sure Tua has the arm talent/accuracy required to flourish in the Sooner's offenseHurts?
we shall soon see
Didn't Ole Miss try to fight that? It's hard to figure out how the NCAA works on these things, but from what I can tell Georgia didn't fight it, which probably sped things up quite a bit. I'm spitballing here but I imagine his lawyer had plenty of other instances of racism by supposed Georgia fans ready to go in case someone wanted to make a public spat. Georgia wisely declined.Ole Miss fought part of it becuase some of what Patterson said would hurt their NCAA case if not addressed.
Hurts?sorry, yes, Hurts
I think you leave it as just enough of a barrier. Kind of like a four-foot decorative wall. It won’t deter anyone who REALLY wants to go over, but to a degree slows things.let's not start the political talk here
Didn't Ole Miss try to fight that? It's hard to figure out how the NCAA works on these things, but from what I can tell Georgia didn't fight it, which probably sped things up quite a bit. I'm spitballing here but I imagine his lawyer had plenty of other instances of racism by supposed Georgia fans ready to go in case someone wanted to make a public spat. Georgia wisely declined.I figured two things, that (1) Georgia would fight it rather than eat the label that they are an unsafe space for minority athletes and (2) that Fields would have to prove his case and that this would be difficult given that (2a) he never saw or met the guy who yelled the epithet at the game and (2b) he is happy for his sister to stay in Athens and apparently she feels safe there too.
I figured two things, that (1) Georgia would fight it rather than eat the label that they are an unsafe space for minority athletes and (2) that Fields would have to prove his case and that this would be difficult given that (2a) he never saw or met the guy who yelled the epithet at the game and (2b) he is happy for his sister to stay in Athens and apparently she feels safe there too.The first is a non-issue because everyone knows what it’s really about. Georgia knows it doesn’t actually matter, but the stink they might make would.
Not that those things should/would change the decision, but - especially the second - I expected them to be hard to speed through. As for the first, I'm guess UGa preferred for this to leave the news cycle to fighting the label. May have been smart, though I do wonder if/how other coaches may use it against them in recruiting.
let's not start the political talk hereGah, didn’t mean to. The metaphor was borrowed from such a discussion with friends, but had no interest in going over it here.
You have to have some kind of over arching organization like the NCAA, whatever you call it it would be the same thing.I don't think anyone is arguing for no organization (or, for that matter, to keep this organization but call it something else). The common argument is for a major restructuring of issues like enforcement and, perhaps inevitably, an end to amateurism.
Skinner, who represents the 9th Senate District, which encompasses the East Bay, will announce plans Tuesday to introduce a new bill that is called the Fair Pay to Play Act. It is designed to allow student-athletes at California colleges to be paid directly for the use of their name, image and likeness. It also would make it illegal for schools or any organization to restrict these rights or punish athletes for exercising them. …I don't know whether it'll happen this way or another, but if Vegas starts offering bets on whether amateurism will last another two decades in toto, go ahead and bet your house against it.
The Fair Pay to Play Act is hoping to spark a movement that forces the hand of the NCAA, a private entity not bound by state laws. The athletes could still be ruled ineligible by the governing body of college sports. But the law seeks to create a standoff between California colleges and their athletes and the NCAA, presuming the NCAA would eventually have to acquiesce instead of, in essence, banning its California schools.
The first is a non-issue because everyone knows what it’s really about. Georgia knows it doesn’t actually matter, but the stink they might make would.I was saying the same. It was the second issue that offered intrigue, but maybe the NCAA uncritically overlooked those kinds of details.
I was saying the same. It was the second issue that offered intrigue, but maybe the NCAA uncritically overlooked those kinds of details.Of the two options, trying to publicly argue that black players shouldn't care about being called the n word is likely worse for recruiting efforts.
Although I would correct that UGa is *calculating* that it doesn't matter (rather than "knowing" it) and in this UGa is probably but not certainly correct. Because now they are probably the only P5 university to be labeled in NCAA documents to be an unsafe for minority athletes as recently as 2019. Maybe rival recruiters won't try to capitalize on that, or will try to no avail, but neither is guaranteed.
Of the two options, trying to publicly argue that black players shouldn't care about being called the n word is likely worse for recruiting efforts."Shouldn't care" is no one's argument. The argument was whether being called that by someone he never saw made him *feel unsafe* and whether going to OSU is a realistic solution. But UGa didn't go there. Which will help bury the story. But now UGa is documented as negatively unique when, sadly, we should probably assume the odds that the same thing will happen by at least one fan one day at Ohio Stadium is 1.0.
This has not seemed to hurt minority recruiting for the Dawgs, and won't. The "incident" was a one off, the offender was punished, and he was actually calling for Fields to play, not sit.I wasn't arguing it will, just specifying we can't guarantee it won't.
"Shouldn't care" is no one's argument. The argument was whether being called that by someone he never saw made him *feel unsafe* and whether going to OSU is a realistic solution. But UGa didn't go there. Which will help bury the story. But now UGa is documented as negatively unique when, sadly, we should probably assume the odds that the same thing will happen by at least one fan one day at Ohio Stadium is 1.0.But it would be their argument, which is why they wisely chose not to argue it.
yeah no shit. NCAA is a joke. Might as well just get rid of the entire damn NCAA if you ask me.That would require the member schools, like yours and mine, to stop being members.
UGa could have said "While we are less horrified because Fields never had an opportunity to see or interact with his accoster, this situation still sucks. We are doing everything a university can to diminish hate in our community. Meanwhile, whether these are issues of language and/or safety, it is unrealistic to believe that transferring to any P5 university is a solution with different outcomes."They could try to say whatever they want. The standard is:
They might as well just completely get rid of the sitting out ruleIf I recall you said Same thing When the Shea Patterson case was ruled on. I agreed with you then. I thought that was the biggest joke and anyone who really thinks he didn’t know with his brother and staff is just pissing in the wind.
In my opinion, this is a nothing event and will have zero impact on recruiting. IN a year, nobody will even remember anything about it unless the two teams play in the post season, and even then it won't be bad for UGA.I am not sure we disagree is spirit. I'm betting we either use language differently (that's my best bet) or that we have conflicting philosophies about haveable knowledge. If you mean "nothing," "zero," and "nobody" colloquially, then we don't even disagree, if you mean them in a literal/absolute sense, then we do. Either way, we're talking about microns in a game of miles and - colloquially - who cares.
If I recall you said Same thing When the Shea Patterson case was ruled on. I agreed with you then. I thought that was the biggest joke and anyone who really thinks he didn’t know with his brother and staff is just pissing in the wind.If coaches can take new jobs whenever they like, I am all aboard players being allowed to do the same. I would only want it to be regulated, so that players can't get unsolicited contact from other schools, but I guess that's what the portal is so we are already set.
It's hard to think a player as talented as Fields should have to sit at one program behind a starter who could well be there two more seasons. Fromm might be a third rounder but I doubt he departs early, but he's a solid starter in college obviously. I think Fields has potential first round talent if he gets experience and develops.It does suck that he had no idea Georgia had Jake Fromm on the roster when he signed his letter. My heart breaks for him. Similar to how everyone at Ole Miss was getting paid, but the #1 QB recruit in the nation not only didn't get paid, but wasn't even told everyone else was.
It does suck that he had no idea Georgia had Jake Fromm on the roster when he signed his letter. My heart breaks for him. Similar to how everyone at Ole Miss was getting paid, but the #1 QB recruit in the nation not only didn't get paid, but wasn't even told everyone else was.yeah, except Ole Miss got hit with sanctions, the head coach got fired in disgrace, and Patterson had to plead his case and fight with the NCAA and Ole Miss to get his waiver. Patterson at least had the cover of plausible deniability. No one can prove he was paid anything or knew about it. And all of the scandal had nothing to do with Patterson.
Fortunately life lessons were avoided. Best to keep thinking you are the greatest.If he doesn’t learn the lesson to not listen to half the BS most college coaches throw at kids, it wouldn’t stick.
I don't actually care if he learns a lesson or not. I'm not even disagreeing with the "fairness" of not letting him. I'm just playing devil's advocate, and slightly bitter that as a fan who loved the sport, I can't say that personally this is a development that is making me enjoy it less without fairness to the athletes brought up, as though I am a decision making body.That's just miscommunication. Fairness to the athletes wouldn't come up if the people you were communicating with understood that you were talking about your interests to the exclusion of the coaches' and kids'. Fairness to the athletes doesn't come up because fan enjoyment doesn't matter. It comes up as a feeler because fairness to the athletes is relevant and you maybe didn't specify a position on it.
I don't see any morality issues. As with any sport, the rules, both on and off the field are made to balance the competitive fairness with player treatment fairness. Nobody is stopping Justin Fields from leaving Georgia. The rule simply states that for the benefit of competition, and the health of the sport as a whole, if he does, he has to sit out a year. I think the player compensation issue needs to be fixed, but the problem is the schools are hell bent on not fixing that, and trying to change a million other things, that hurt the sport, in the name of player treatment, to avoid paying them. Like I said, maybe I'm on an island, but I went from planning Saturdays around college football, to having a moderate interest . I missed whole chunks this past year, and not for a conflict, just because I didn't feel like it. I didn't watch a single snap of multiple MSU games this year. That's my prerogative, and if nobody else cares, nor will they. Not do I think them not caring about individual fans is some sort of morality issue. But I think you can have rules, for the benefit of competition, that might inconvenience kids who made dumb decisions, and don't want to be held accountable for them. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we should get rid of lots of penalties. Seems unfair to have offsides. Who are we to tell kids, who we dont pay, that there are certain places on the field they can't stand . Feels immoral.I find myself torn reading this.
I don't see any morality issues. As with any sport, the rules, both on and off the field are made to balance the competitive fairness with player treatment fairness. Nobody is stopping Justin Fields from leaving Georgia. The rule simply states that for the benefit of competition, and the health of the sport as a whole, if he does, he has to sit out a year. I think the player compensation issue needs to be fixed, but the problem is the schools are hell bent on not fixing that, and trying to change a million other things, that hurt the sport, in the name of player treatment, to avoid paying them. Like I said, maybe I'm on an island, but I went from planning Saturdays around college football, to having a moderate interest . I missed whole chunks this past year, and not for a conflict, just because I didn't feel like it. I didn't watch a single snap of multiple MSU games this year. That's my prerogative, and if nobody else cares, nor will they. Not do I think them not caring about individual fans is some sort of morality issue. But I think you can have rules, for the benefit of competition, that might inconvenience kids who made dumb decisions, and don't want to be held accountable for them. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we should get rid of lots of penalties. Seems unfair to have offsides. Who are we to tell kids, who we dont pay, that there are certain places on the field they can't stand . Feels immoral.Re: morality issues, I was talking about the larger conversation, beyond this one, including player compensation. This one may seem unattached to player compensation**, but at the rate that story (the drama around amateurism ending) is growing, it consumes our general mentality when it comes to how player, coach, and fan interests compete.
I find roster building and roster continuity a large part of the appeal. I understand that much of fanhood is built on false tribalism, and a part of that is why I've always preferred college, at least I was rooting for guys who chose the same tribe I did, for the time allowed. As manufactured as it is, it was why I preferred the lesser version of football, along with other reasons that have been stripped away as well, but I struggle with simply rooting for a uniform.I agree with this. Watching guys come, develop, and leave is a major part of the appeal. If you ever watched the movie version of Friday Night Lights, setting Billy Bob replacing the names of the graduating seniors perfectly encapsulates the appeal.
. Like I said, maybe I'm on an island, but I went from planning Saturdays around college football, to having a moderate interest . I missed whole chunks this past year, and not for a conflict, just because I didn't feel like it. I didn't watch a single snap of multiple MSU games this year. That's my prerogative, and if nobody else cares, nor will they.Are you sure that's not just age? I find priorities changing quite a bit as I move farther and farther from my college days...
Are you sure that's not just age? I find priorities changing quite a bit as I move farther and farther from my college days...That's certainly why I am able/willing to plan my life around sports, but even when the opportunity is in front of me, I far more often decline it than I ever used. I watched a movie instead of watching MSUs season opener this year. When I do watch sports, I've found myself watching professional more. The things I used to prefer about college, that made me opt to watch a lesser product are disappearing, so why would I watch it? I'm struggling to answer that. They more and more look the same, so I'd prefer to watch the top level
I see OSU ranked around 5 in most of the "too early" polls, which should be fine. We won't likely have 3 undefeated teams next season. Obviously, a lot hinges on how Fields gets into the System and understands the offense and runs it showing his talent. Mainly they need to avoid that Purdue kind of a game.I thought this was a downplay Auburn year
Michigan is also getting top ten attention. I'm not sold on them, nor Auburn, they strike me as similar in a way.
losing a head coach at a helmet like OSU can take 3 or 4 years to really change win totals drasticallylosing a head coach like Meyer can't be understated. If you ask me he's right there with Saban as the greatest ever. They really are neck and neck. Saban has 5 championships to Meyer's 3. But Meyer has won big everywhere he's been. Saban not so much.
I don't have a reason to not be fine with Fields as a person. I'm also fine with the decision for immediate eligibility. I just found it hard to believe the decision came this fast. I figured it'd take until late April.NCAA is going down a rabbit hole of revision.Gonna be hard to turn anybody down when they've given out so many waivers.Of course this comes at the right time for tOSU - so I'm good with it :cheer:
That vid I posted btw is long, but well worth the watch. Cardale really lays it all out, and goes into great detailI did that was great 12 gauge is pretty sharp and insightful.He didn't care what they did one way or the other just didn't like the double tongue.Kind of came across as he wasn't that fond of Urbz,while he's successful neither was I
Rutgers OL Jonah Jackson transferring to OSU for his final year. Could be an immediate starter.Glossed over this the first time, surprised it's not getting more pub. I guess because he's an OL? He was the best OL on the transfer market. I think he's a lock to start.
I mean 4 and 5 are out, they have no other option. I'll say #2Nobody knows anything about Baldwin, so who knows, he may be unsung hero! He was recruited by Day, supposedly has an arm, and has time to set in, and won't be forced to learn a completely new offense with Meyer's departure. I hope he pans out, but don't want to see a split QB rotation by any means.
I see that Urban Meyer is joining the FOX Sports Saturday Morning Pregame show...........Sounds very very familiar. Is he on the road to USC already? Something makes me think so!I'm pretty confident in thinking that USC held on to Helton only because they thought Meyer would be available at some point after the coming season. They certainly have the money to pay him.
USC will allow him to bring whatever POS assistants he would like
I'm pretty confident in thinking that USC held on to Helton only because they thought Meyer would be available at some point after the coming season. They certainly have the money to pay him.Would not surprise me one bit to see him land there or in South Bend. I think the Left Coast would be fitting, and it would give him an easy road to line with Trophies. Unlike many, I am not one to think he was finished coaching.
Nobody knows anything about Baldwin, so who knows, he may be unsung hero! He was recruited by Day, supposedly has an arm, and has time to set in, and won't be forced to learn a completely new offense with Meyer's departure. I hope he pans out, but don't want to see a split QB rotation by any means.I am best -guessing, based on film and quotes, that Baldwin is being way underestimated here. Go watch his tape. Tell me who he throws like?
Also, maybe way off here, but I will be absolutely stunned if Meyer decides to ever coach again.Kind of agree but if USC or ND came knocking I could see him thinking "I could be the only coach to win an NC at 3 different Schools".I'd take the easy money and head to the booth
Kind of agree but if USC or ND came knocking I could see him thinking "I could be the only coach to win an NC at 3 different Schools".I'd take the easy money and head to the boothND is very much his kind of jam.
I mean 4 and 5 are out, they have no other option. I'll say #2I could see scenario #3 happening. Fields has loads of raw talent, but he's far from a sure thing.
Definitely their best shot at winning THE GAME since the Fickel year. Especially with OSU having to battle Penn St the week before, while Michigan gets a nice delicious pastry from the Hoosier state.I'm nodding my head yes, though Michigan has gotten about as much trouble from IU as OSU has from Purdue in recent years. Not the same record as v-PU and IU's not the same caliber of opponent these days, but it's similarly spooky in terms of how unexpectedly competitive those games have been.
former Ohio State QB Tate Martell cleared to play immediately. NCAA really should just get rid of the sit a year transfer rule if they are just going to give everybody and their mother a waiver to play early.The start of the college football free agent era. Teams thought the playing field was uneven before, just wait. The Have's will continue to thrive and the Have Not's will continue to slip. The big teams will be able to swoop in and poach kids that were surprises or late bloomers, like Moore from Purdue, and move on without a hitch. IF the NCAA allows this to continue, they may as well officially get rid of the Amateur Status, open it to what it really is, a D League NFL playground, and let these kids start earning money outside of the college degree moniker they hide behind.
The start of the college football free agent era. Teams thought the playing field was uneven before, just wait. The Have's will continue to thrive and the Have Not's will continue to slip. The big teams will be able to swoop in and poach kids that were surprises or late bloomers, like Moore from Purdue, and move on without a hitch. IF the NCAA allows this to continue, they may as well officially get rid of the Amateur Status, open it to what it really is, a D League NFL playground, and let these kids start earning money outside of the college degree moniker they hide behind.I get what you're saying but Rondale Moore ain't leaving. He came to Purdue to play for Brohm, who went to his high school and was a fixture in the Louisville athletic world for a long, long time.
How if the offensive and defensive lines shaping up for OSU? I usually look first to those areas. Fields should do fine, or perhaps better than that, if the OL is solid. I presume there are good RBs aplenty.OL is a little thin. There will be some freshmen in the two-deep. DL is not thin - returned a ton and should look really strong at starter and backup at each position.
Ironic it's from the NFL but timely:Sorry had this response in the wrong thread,let the NFL pay them because most Universities don't have the coin after paying for all the other sports expenses both men and women.If they had to be paid then most Colleges would have to schuddle athletics or get back to what they are there for in the 1st place.Either the NFL steps up or it needs to be drilled into their minds they are getting paid in form of education.Let Klemko pony up if he thinks it's such a smashing idea.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/1108819810547191809
Makes good sense from a purely football stand point, but c'mon. A rock star coach with a Conservative viewpoint who already has the fembots up his arse coaching at a place where sports routinely take a backseat to left wing politics? The man would have to be a glutton for punishment, which would also be out of character.Except you've just described every university he's ever coached at as well. Universities with a rightward bend are significantly fewer and almost always private if not religious. OSU counts as leftward and Meyer liked that just fine.
Sorry had this response in the wrong thread,let the NFL pay them because most Universities don't have the coin after paying for all the other sports expenses both men and women.If they had to be paid then most Colleges would have to schuddle athletics or get back to what they are there for in the 1st place.Either the NFL steps up or it needs to be drilled into their minds they are getting paid in form of education.Let Klemko pony up if he thinks it's such a smashing idea.I think that's a disproven perspective, Nubbz.
Except you've just described every university he's ever coached at as well. Universities with a rightward bend are significantly fewer and almost always private if not religious. OSU counts as leftward and Meyer liked that just fine.While Universities do have a tendency to be left leaning, there is abosuabsoly no comparison between a State school in the SE or Midwest to any school on the Left Coast. OSU would not allow Antifa to set up shop outside of his office, pelting him with bags of their own urine every time he walked by. The Cali schools would not only allow it, but make sure that they are well hydrated while they were doing it. If Urban coaches at USC or any other school on the Left coast.... I'll eat my hat.
I think the better glutton for punishment argument is that in the wake of the Zach Smith saga, Urban has a blemish that will be called out anywhere. It was even called out at OSU. And I suspect he thinks people should think purely positively about him and that's no longer guaranteed. He'll face that anywhere now, even ND.
I don't want this to get political because then we lose the conversation. I easily disagree though. No university sets up shop for and hydrates violent criminals. That's pretty easy to acknowledge.Agreed that we don't need to hijack this thread with politics or Zach Smithery. Only time will tell which one of us is right, so we could always do another sign bet? I remain undefeated against you in those bad boys. Urban Meyer coaching at USC in 2020, you win. You in?
Plus, most Big Ten schools rival the Californians in leftleaningness. Plus-plus: USC (private) is significantly more conservative than Berkeley which you seem to be focusing on.
WR Blue Smith leaving the programWas he on scholarship? That's an incredible name I never knew.
I can't take that bet because I don't think he'll ever coach again. So we agree on that part. I only popped in because I don't think political bend is the reason he won't coach again. Which is where we disagree. I think social criticism is the reason he won't coach again.Okay if he doesn't coach again then the bet is obviously off. If he does coach in 2020 then I will give you the entire Pacific Time Zone. If the job that he takes is anywhere in betwixt San Diego St and Wazzou then you win the bet, including heavy favorite USC. If it is East of there, then victory is mine. Does that sweeten the deal? Or are ya some sorta Coward?
Okay if he doesn't coach again then the bet is obviously off. If he does coach in 2020 then I will give you the entire Pacific Time Zone. If the job that he takes is anywhere in betwixt San Diego St and Wazzou then you win the bet, including heavy favorite USC. If it is East of there, then victory is mine. Does that sweeten the deal? Or are ya some sorta Coward?Since both of us doubt he'll ever coach again, further handicaps sort of destroy the bet. Because everyone has ND as the top bet if he returns. And that needn't be because of "avoiding leftyism." So we'd have to exclude ND. At which point we're only evaluating "(if returns) [and] (if not ND) [then] is it a west lefty or an east lefty?" It's a nonsense bet. Neither of us think it's going to happen and, even if he does re-up on coaching, neither option tells us about Meyer's political university requirements or his west coast views, but instead a function of elite job openings that year multiplied by their fraction in each half of the country.
UNC would be a good job, for someone, low expectations, decent recruiting possibilities.Doesn't UNC already have a new coach?
USC will almost certainly be on the market for a head coach in 2020, and Meyer would be a grand slam hire.I'm not sure he'll be offered (or sent a feeler). I just doubt he'll accept. I think he's done forever.
AC doesn't think that he will be offered the job, and I don't think he'd be inclined to accept it if he was. So we aren't exactly at opposing ends of the spectrum, I suppose.
Doesn't UNC already have a new coach?Yup, but he is thought to be a short timer just to get the program back on its feet.
USC will almost certainly be on the market for a head coach in 2020, and Meyer would be a grand slam hire.Accepting the USC job would have nothing to do with political feelings, it would it center around FOOTBALL and nothing more. When the job opens in 2020, Urban will be asked, rather public or not, he will be asked. I would not be surprised to see him go West, especially to USC. The tradition, history and recruiting platform he would have would be as strong as if not stronger than any place he has coached. USC is a private school, the only politics he would be doing are the same old same he has done every place he has coached. IF USC has any sort of skeleton assembled that looks like an Urban Offense, it would not surprise me at all to see him go West. I don't think he will take a program, regardless the Helmet Name, that needs a total rebuild. Think about it-he walked into Ohio State with a solid blue print of the "Urban Meyer Offense" from Tressel, and a Defensive program mindset as an added bonus. It made his choice easy. I think Notre Dame is the only other school that would lure him back. While UGA, LSU, Alabama etc. are all solid Helmets, he has already made his mark in the SEC. The PAC 12 would give another football milestone to claim success. Saban has won, but only in the SEC, Urban has won everywhere he has went-MAC, MWC, SEC, B10 and now the PAC12 would be added. I have no doubts he would win a title within three years, and retire again within five years-for good.
AC doesn't think that he will be offered the job, and I don't think he'd be inclined to accept it if he was. So we aren't exactly at opposing ends of the spectrum, I suppose.
So Zach Smith is launching his own tell all podcast? Why is this still a thing?It's not. He's just a drunk idiot.
Getting back to the 2019 campaign.... Can Day extend Urban's perfect streak of beating Ttun and winning at least a share of the division?Yes. He's a good coach and OSU is very talented and Don Brown's defense is suspect vs offenses with as much or more talent than his defenses and coaches who spread that offensive talent out.
So Zach Smith is launching his own tell all podcast? Why is this still a thing?I don't know which is nuttier: that he expects to have listeners or the off chance he actually will.
I'm interested in how Fields looks, and whether he starts, which is not necessarily an anything. I think fans will be pleased with his performance in general, though he might make some mistakes at times. He has I think a tendency to pull it down and run, but they probably worked on that a lot.Supposedly there won't be any tackling, which makes all run plays look weird
Supposedly there won't be any tackling, which makes all run plays look weirdThat was my only gripe with what the Urb was cookin' is that the Spring Game format sorta started to suck.
I read a bit that said Fields did just fine.Looked pretty good. Should have a much stronger rushing attack at least
Sounds like he's gone. Leaves them pretty thin - and they are very likely to get a grad transfer or possibly a freshman for next year. One name I recognized was Alex Malzone. Anyway, I did not think he looked sharper than Fields - he threw some picks and generally looked like he needed some seasoning. But he's not a local kid and it makes sense that if he isn't the guy, he'd rather compete to be the guy closer to home.Getting an underclassman transfer: That's easy to imagine
Sounds like Gunner Hoak also joining upOh, that would be sweet. Probably played with ole CJ Saunders in HS.
Thanks @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) , that was fun to watch!Any glaring omissions by your estimation?
Any glaring omissions by your estimation?
Who?FSU's true freshman QB phenom from 2016 who got booted after Taggart arrived. I think it was from a domestic violence accusation, though it could have been many things since he and Taggart seemed to clash often and early. Anyway, DF is notches above FAU's standard QB grade, making the season opener v Lane Kiffin suddenly noteworthy.
OSU vs. TTUN is a noon tradition, that I am surprised hasn't at least made the jump to 3:30. For the amount of money FOX paid for that game alone, why are showing when the left coast is still hitting the snooze button? (7/8pm start is a hard sell with weather, but both stadiums have lights, and 7:00pm end isn't enough time to allow that much of a temp drop.)I don't know if Fox is abandoning direct competition with ESPN or not, but the 12:00 Eastern Time slot gets Fox's premium game this year.
I've emailed Gene and encourage others to do the same, asking to have uniforms return to the tradition ones for The Game. I'm ok with alternates, use them for the Big OOC, and for PSU, and/or whoever from the West. But it just burns me up watching the highlight reals of M*ch playing all these rando teams, I mean Buckeye alternates.
I don't know if Fox is abandoning direct competition with ESPN or not, but the 12:00 Eastern Time slot gets Fox's premium game this year.“The Game” as it’s called- always played at noon. I think it’s only not been at noon maybe in the single digits. And they’ve been playing that one for like 100 years.
OSU vs. TTUN is a noon tradition, that I am surprised hasn't at least made the jump to 3:30. For the amount of money FOX paid for that game alone, why are showing when the left coast is still hitting the snooze button? (7/8pm start is a hard sell with weather, but both stadiums have lights, and 7:00pm end isn't enough time to allow that much of a temp drop.)It was 3:30 for the #1 vs. #2 game, I believe that's the only time.
I've emailed Gene and encourage others to do the same, asking to have uniforms return to the tradition ones for The Game. I'm ok with alternates, use them for the Big OOC, and for PSU, and/or whoever from the West. But it just burns me up watching the highlight reals of M*ch playing all these rando teams, I mean Buckeye alternates.
It was 3:30 for the #1 vs. #2 game, I believe that's the only time.It brings eyeballs regardless.
Granted forever it was at 1, even after noon became the standard.
I still think you get more eyeballs being the lone big game at noon, than one of several at 8, but it's a hard theory to test.
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Top-10-highest-rated-college-football-games-on-TV-in-2018-126048068/#126048068_10 (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Top-10-highest-rated-college-football-games-on-TV-in-2018-126048068/#126048068_10)It would be good if the default setting for links would open a new tab rather than going to the linked sight within the same tab.
you don't have a "back" button on your mouse?I do, but you have to hit "back" like 20 times to get out of that one. I gave up and just came back the old fashioned way.
oh, I thought it may have been a "Sooner" problemHeh!
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OSU vs. TTUN is a noon tradition, that I am surprised hasn't at least made the jump to 3:30. For the amount of money FOX paid for that game alone, why are showing when the left coast is still hitting the snooze button? (7/8pm start is a hard sell with weather, but both stadiums have lights, and 7:00pm end isn't enough time to allow that much of a temp drop.)Seriously? Who's still hitting the snooze button at 9 AM? It's not like we're in Hawaii's time zone or something...
I don't understand the idea of doing "something" other than watching college football on a fall Saturday
Huh? Are you saying there are actual real people who do something else?
Not to me. It's like folks who get married in the fall on a Saturday. They are dead to me.HA!Went to an October wedding 3yrs ago,they were already dead to me then I found out no TV at all during the Reception.I'm not a picky eater but the fillet mignon was well done and tasted like it had been frozen and thawed more than once.Evidently they're trying a temporary seperation now.Screw it I told Cindy unless it's a blood relative I'm mailing $50.00 not to bother me on game day.Relative - they'll get $100.00....and like it
Not to me. It's like folks who get married in the fall on a Saturday. They are dead to me.I am a high school football official in Arizona, so my Friday's are occupied in the fall. So what happens, my son decided to get married on a Friday night this coming September back in Ohio and another one of my sons is getting married next October on a Saturday, again back in Ohio.
Meanwhile, my good friend who is a huge Buckeye fan is cautiously optimistic about the QB situation, even the backups. If folks will understand that Fields will make an occasional mistake they should be very happy with him, but he's certainly a large story line this season.
Is Jacob Eason primed to start for UW?
I don't understand the idea of doing "something" other than watching college football on a fall SaturdayGotta get up at 7, sneak in a run or trip to the farmers market.
Not to me. It's like folks who get married in the fall on a Saturday. They are dead to me.I have two this year and have to fly to them. Thank god I love these people and the friend groups they're part of.
I am a high school football official in Arizona, so my Friday's are occupied in the fall. So what happens, my son decided to get married on a Friday night this coming September back in Ohio and another one of my sons is getting married next October on a Saturday, again back in Ohio.You might want to try that Ancestry thing - just sayin'
Feel I heard somewhere Fox trying to move their biggest games to noon. I don't hate noon, preferable to a night game, but 3:30 is my favorite time. Get a good warmup game before the main event.Ya usually haven't had too many beers by then.As I recall that classic M vs Sparty last second block punt was at 3:30.Remember there were a few of us in SOC thread watching it live.Man was MDot livid cursing the almighty :D
HA!Went to an October wedding 3yrs ago,they were already dead to me then I found out no TV at all during the Reception.I'm not a picky eater but the fillet mignon was well done and tasted like it had been frozen and thawed more than once.Evidently they're trying a temporary seperation now.Screw it I told Cindy unless it's a blood relative I'm mailing $50.00 not to bother me on game day.Relative - they'll get $100.00....and like itA month or so ago my daughter announced that her and her boyfriend had decided to get married. She stated that it would be a fall wedding but reassured me that it would be during an Ohio State bye week. She set the date of October 3, 2020. She has my blessing.
"That’s the way you respect a rivalry. Then you outwork them and then you kick that ass like it’s never been kicked before. And that’s what you did."This is one of the best quotes I've ever seen. Great speech.
That's a goddamn national treasure
I suspect over time that destroys a rivalry. I don't think a rivalry can persist if it grows one sided.It’s been one sided for almost 2 decades. It hasn’t gotten any less intense and means just as much to OSU and UM. I do suspect it has diminished quite a bit to the rest of the nation.
The Rivalry will stay strong and relevant so long as Michigan fields a good team over time, even if OSU wins 9 of 10.I think this really is the key. Two examples:
Lets talk about Ohio State's defense:I’ll dig in here at some point. There’s some numerical slicing and dicing to do. I will say the 51st is inflated a few spots by pace. They were 40th in points per drive.
It is really all about limiting big plays. In 2018 the Buckeyes ranked #51 in the FBS overall allowing 25.5 PPG. It is all about the big plays because while Ohio State was a middling #51 overall, they were an absolutely horrible #118 in IsoPPP+, an explosiveness stat.
My take is that when they weren't allowing big plays the Ohio State defense was typically stout. Now one could say that is a little like saying that when he wasn't getting shot, Abe Lincoln had a good time at Ford's Theater and there is definitely some truth to that so let me clarify:
First, when I say that the Buckeyes' problem was big plays, I don't mean it as an excuse. Big plays are part of the game and TD count the same regardless of whether they were scored on a 22 play drive of 3.5 yards per play or on a 60 yard burst.
That said, I do think that in terms of fixing the problem (the problem for coaches) and in terms of us analyzing whether or not it is likely to be fixed, there is a substantial qualitative difference between a defense that was middling every down (ie, ranked #51 overall and ranked #51 in explosiveness) and the 2018 tOSU defense that was middling overall and horrible at preventing big plays.
I think that Ohio State's defensive issues from 2018 are mostly correctable and I expect to see them corrected with a number of new defensive coaches and more overall experience on the field. That isn't to say that I expect Ohio State's 2019 defense to rank #1 but I do expect them to be a lot closer to 2015 (#2) or 2016 (#3) than 2018 (#51).
I’ll dig in here at some point. There’s some numerical slicing and dicing to do. I will say the 51st is inflated a few spots by pace. They were 40th in points per drive.Very odd.
Their profile was kinda odd to say the least.
Very odd.So, this is actually a little inaccurate, give or take quibbling about "a lot." It often reflects strategy more so, give or take execution/quality.
Most defenses that give up a lot of big plays are generally terrible at everything but that does not define Ohio State's 2018 defense at all. They were very much feast-or-famine in that they were either shutting opponents down or giving up huge plays.
It shows the razor’s edge part of high risk, high reward.It sure felt like it.
If OSU is 10-15 spots higher on success rate, which eliminates a few big plays a game, you have a really solid defense.
The gap in success rate and adjusted success rate is odd. I wonder if that means OSU was more prone to allowing good plays in second and third and long.
I don't think the Tate Martell news affects the ceiling with Fields -- his potential is still through the roof. But maybe the Martell news does lower the floor, though. On the opposite side, had Martell sounded like a future Heisman winner, the floor would have seemed to rise to "even better than that." I think that floor is pretty different with Martell not only losing but losing to a freshman.wasn't saying anything in regards to Fields or his potential.
Tate was a no show at practice today.headcase.
Is it safe to assume Fields will be the starter now?Tate was already at Miami, he lost out there to a true freshman.
Tate was already at Miami, he lost out there to a true freshman.this is a kid who committed to Washington as an 8th grader, then flipped to Texas A&M as a 10th grader, and then de-committed from A&M, and then signed with Ohio State. Left Ohio State for Miami after Justin Fields transferred in. Now he'll probably be leaving Miami after only one off-season. Crazy.
That's key, because as you may have heard, OSU got a transfer from Georgia in bigshot recruit Justin Fields. All and do everything, everyone expects him to be the starter this year ahead of Kentucky transfer Gunnar Hoak. There is no question Fields is a fantastic athlete who can run, but there are questions as to whether he can consistently complete forward passes. At times, coaches think they can turn big time athletes into Dan Marino. I'm not sure OSU will have a great offense hoping that Fields can drop dimes like Haskins did.
Haskins was special man. He could drop dimes with the best of them.
So...Great name for a Rock Band
Trademark on the word "THE"??
Gotta be f'ing kidding me.
Cont - Offensive skill positionsOhio State will be just fine at WR and TE.
Let's start with what we know. J.K. Dobbins is the clear starter at running back, and figures to get a million snaps. While it's unclear what the running game will look like, he figures to be a big part of whatever it is. Mike weber is gone and the running back depth is pretty scant. Demario McCall moves from purgatory receiver to second string tailback, and while he has looked like a playmaker at times, he's rarely been on the field. Master Teague and Marcus Crowley are youngsters who are available.
Similarly, at receiver, KJ Hill is a lock to see a lot of snaps. He's the lone returnee of their top four options from last year, and he is excellent in the slot or H-Back situations that get him crossed up with a linebacker or safety. After him gets a bit mysterious. OSU would like a rotation of six receivers. There are lots (and lots) of options here.
- Austin Mack would be a lock, but he was injured for half of last season and is banged up now
- Bin Victor is a senior and has been around for a while, but never really been the playmaker he was projected to be
- Chris Olave - came on late as a freshman for the injured Mack, and made an announcement with two touchdowns against Michigan
- Jaylen Harris - Big bodied type who has been stuck on the depth chart but now has an opening
- CJ Saunders - former walk-on who earned playing time last year in the crowded WR field
- Garrett Wilson - True frosh super recruit who is hgihly rated mostly on how polished a receiver he is right now
- Jaelen Gill - Redshirt frosh who observers call the best playmaker on the team
Also, Elijah Gardner and true frosh Jameson Williams are getting mentioned, too. Kamryn Babb is currently injured. It's tough to say what the receivers will look like. KJ Hill and a healthy Austin Mack will get plenty of run, but all of the guys mentioned above could get substantial playing time.
And btw, OSU also has tight ends. They weren't a huge part of the offense last year, though some conjecture that could change a bit this year. In any event, Luke Farrell returns as the steadiest tight end, though Jeremy Rucket and Rashod Berry are the more athletic ones and may line up more as receivers. Jake Hausmann also returns, though he has struggled with injuries.
So...the Canes down at "the U" won't allow it
Trademark on the word "THE"??
Gotta be f'ing kidding me.
So...(https://mgoblog.com/sites/default/files/users/user186359/2019-08-14_16-49-51.jpg)
Trademark on the word "THE"??
Gotta be f'ing kidding me.
Ohio State is loaded with talent, more so than anyone in the Big Ten or country except for MAYBE Alabama and Clemson.We shall see a 3 loss season would not surprise me.New HC/QB and lots of question marks.I can see why M is favored in the East,the Offensive Line and Receiving Corp is looking Rip.If Shea is better than pedestrian it should be a fun squad to watch
Ohio State is loaded with talent, more so than anyone in the Big Ten or country except for MAYBE Alabama and Clemson. They could lose a game to Sparty given Sparty's defense, or maybe Michigan in Ann Arbor, but they are the B1G's best and are ranked accordingly. And I doubt Chris Day, his staff, or any of the Buckeye players are loosing sleep in camp over "The" stupid distraction.on paper, sure. But recruit rankings on paper don't always translate onto the field. Urban was one of the greatest recruiters of 5 STARZ players ever, but he also developed those 5 STARZ maybe better than any coach that I've ever seen. Lots of coaches land 5 STARZ and wind up with busts on their hands. Urbz was great at getting 5 STARZ and then even better at getting them to play like 5 STARZ. Remains to be seen how Ryan Day can develop/motivate players.
Wonder if Mattison is a straight shooter,or blowing smoke.According to a Gerdeman Podcast on 11 Warriors Mattison is fawning over both Borland and Werner at LB,who the masses quite frankly aren't that infatuated withLove me some Greg Mattison as a coach, but he is most definitely 100000% a smoke blower.
https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1161266150690492417 (https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1161266150690492417)you never want to be the guy who replaces the legend. you want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaced the legend. Urban Meyer's shoes are bascially virtually impossible to fill. Feel bad for the guy who is going to have to take over for Saban in Alabama. That's going to be a tough out.
Day isn't just replacing one legend, he's replacing two decades of two all-time legends. Legends on the program, conference, and national level. Needless to say in ~20 tries, OSU didn't just reach up like a one-time skyscraper, it built a wide cloud-level plateau and fans haven't known anything else.you never want to replace a legendary coach, unless of course you are a more legendary coach than the one you are replacing.
If the universe cares for balance, the come down is probable and will be excrutiating.
:stfu: :D damn I was hoping that wasn't the case - a glass half full type.Those two were serviceable but their game needs to ratchet up a bit,they have some experience but just seemed to lack speed and quickness.We'll see where the depth charts are when camp breaksWerner has serious jets. Now whether that translates to a better season- we will see. A few dudes behind him are going to be killers ( Mitchell, Browning) won’t sit if guys in the field aren’t playing well.
Long snapper?https://twitter.com/LiamMcCullough2/status/1151562373209186305?s=20
https://610wtvn.iheart.com/featured/lori-schmidt/content/2019-08-27-urban-meyer-on-how-cardale-drove-the-mystery-machine/I'm actually enjoying Urban in his retirement from coaching. Saw him on some Fox Sports shows where he's working now. Definitely one of the best CFB guys on tv already. Maybe even the best.
Priceless and hilarious