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Title: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on January 26, 2024, 09:03:37 AM
We got in yesterday and I was a bit tired from the drive, so I vegged and watched Flight of in the Intruder (again) which I find to be entertaining.  What other movies got somewhat forgotten but are pretty good?

Second Hand Lions also comes to mind.

I don't know if Kelly's Heros qualifies as it's epic.
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Post by: longhorn320 on January 26, 2024, 09:23:59 AM
I loved Second Hand Lions
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 26, 2024, 09:40:00 AM
Simple Twist of Fate
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Post by: utee94 on January 26, 2024, 09:59:08 AM
I loved Second Hand Lions
+2.  I think if you look up "under-appreciated movies" in the encyclopedia, Second Hand Lions has got to be the very first sentence.

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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 26, 2024, 10:02:14 AM
When the first three posters are gush over the same movie, that's kind of the opposite of underappreciated. 
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Post by: FearlessF on January 26, 2024, 10:08:21 AM
great.  another movie thread
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Post by: utee94 on January 26, 2024, 10:42:58 AM
When the first three posters are gush over the same movie, that's kind of the opposite of underappreciated.
That's a reasonable point.

I guess I'm thinking "underappreciated" in terms of public accolades, awards, etc.  And also, my brother and I are the only people I know in real life who have actually seen Second Hand Lions.  I'd never heard of it, he recommended it to me several years after it was released and I watched it and really liked it.  But when I mention it, nobody else I know has seen it or really even heard of it.

great.  another movie thread

Hooray, Offseason!
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 26, 2024, 10:44:28 AM
Team America.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 27, 2024, 02:58:25 AM
Team America.
I figured the satire went over your head.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 27, 2024, 01:11:08 PM
Varsity Blues (1999)

Of course there's a bit of personal bias to my inflated take on Varsity Blues, but it's in the details of this movie that go underappreciated:

I was a kid living in Texas when Varsity Blues released. I took it for granted then, but when watching Varsity Blues two decades later, it's impressive how many details are accurate to my 90s childhood experience of Texas High School Football:

-Parents waiting an additional year to enroll their boys in kindergarten so their physical builds were more matured and filled out for football once high school rolled around

-Friday Football pep rallies held in the gyms for the entire school to attend instead of classes

-Long lines of school busses and vehicle traffic caravanning together to other towns for road games

-Extensive local newspaper coverage of the high school football season topped by front page stories of standout players or high profile matchups, not only in smaller town papers but front page coverage for markets as large at Tyler (100k?) and Corpus Christi (300k?)

-Signs of the players posted in their yards. On my street several of our neighbors were home to varsity players. To kick off the season the cheerleading squad stopped by in their uniforms to post signs of specifically numbered jerseys in their front yards

-Season football highlights sold in VHS tapes at the local video rental store – I don’t remember this detail being the case; however, for Friday game nights, the local news added an additional half hour at the end of their 10 o’clock news to parade highlights and live updates from area wide football games

Of course, Varsity Blues does not exist without Buzz Bissinger's non-fiction classic Friday Night Lights which spawned the feature film (2004) and show (2006-11) of the same name. Varsity Blues is able to dramatize what Bissinger's book does better than both the FNL film and show.

Before I say Varsity Blues is a largely forgotten film by now, whenever I've visited Texas or college towns for football games in Auburn or Ames or Tempe wearing my West Canaan Coyotes t-shirt I'm often approached in the bars or at tailgates by people glad to say they "grew up on Varsity Blues." We'll exchange quotes.

It's a very quotable film, the characters are distinct, and like most 90s films, it's refreshing to see a movie take itself seriously before so many movies started becoming plagued by "irony" and an overly self-conscious self-awareness.

In that sense, Varsity Blues is like most 90s films and thus never stood out. It's a Teen movie at a time when the Teen genre was oversaturated. It's a Sports movie at a time when the Sports genre was also oversaturated.

And for as much as I praise Varsity Blues, I can admit to its few notoriously corny scenes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zCpTNr2epA


Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 27, 2024, 03:15:04 PM
I really like that Matt Damon movie Downsizing.

The concept is fun and the Vietnamese character is great.  I'm stunned she's the same actress as the Asian hottie in Treme.
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 27, 2024, 03:56:26 PM
Hong Chau - Biography - IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2186865/bio/)

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Post by: MrNubbz on January 27, 2024, 04:08:18 PM
I don't know if Kelly's Heros qualifies as it's epic.
See my tag line

Off the top my medula I liked
MidNight Run with Robert Deniro,Cahrles Grodin and Dennis Farina
Red Rock West with Dennis Hopper,Nicholas Cage and JT Walsh
Both action/thriller comedies then I'd watch Kelly's Heroes for the 10th time
North Dallas Forty with Mac Davis,Nick Nolte,Bo Svenson,John Matuszak
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 27, 2024, 04:15:02 PM
I figured the satire went over your head.
Scuse the pigs whilst the hogs eat
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Post by: FearlessF on January 27, 2024, 04:17:00 PM
North Dallas Forty with Mac Davis,Nick Nolte,Bo Svenson,John Matuszak

I liked that one
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 27, 2024, 04:20:58 PM
That came out when the Big old theaters were still around and they stayed at theaters for 3-4 months back in the late '70s
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Post by: LittlePig on January 27, 2024, 04:38:05 PM
Varsity Blues (1999)

That movie should make the list simply for the whipped cream bikini.

[img width=242.863 height=327]https://i.imgur.com/zuRKWmo.png[/img]
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on January 27, 2024, 06:19:43 PM
maybe I'll watch it sometime
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Post by: LittlePig on January 27, 2024, 07:21:22 PM
https://youtu.be/Lo0ch3hN0q0?si=JaT5s27um3tPIInL

I don't know if this is considered underapreciated,  but I am a big fan of the movie Cast Away.

Spoiler alerts.  I love that 1/3 of the movie happens after he rescues himself after being stranded on the Island for 4 years.  I also like how the title has a double meaning.  Not only was he a castaway on the Island for 4 years,  but was cast away again by everybody who knew him, who assumed he was dead and had already moved on.

He fought so hard to get back and everything he had before was gone.  His job is gone.  He never has to work again. His finance got married and had a young kid.  She has no choice but to stay with the new husband.  The movie literally ends with the main character at a crossroads,  with no idea what to do with the rest of his life.  At least until he sees the angel wings on the back of that pickup truck.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 27, 2024, 09:48:43 PM
I respect that the movie goes a good 10-12 minutes of no dialogue.  Maybe I'm overestimating it, but it's noticeable and probably unprecedented.  
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Post by: longhorn320 on January 28, 2024, 12:02:43 AM
I respect that the movie goes a good 10-12 minutes of no dialogue.  Maybe I'm overestimating it, but it's noticeable and probably unprecedented. 
the beginning of 2010 Space Odyssey is another example of this technique
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Post by: LittlePig on January 28, 2024, 04:27:49 AM
I respect that the movie goes a good 10-12 minutes of no dialogue.  Maybe I'm overestimating it, but it's noticeable and probably unprecedented. 
If you are talking about Cast Away,  I think many are aware that's the exact reason the character Wilson (the volleyball) was created.  So that the  Tom Hanks character would have somebody to talk to and express all his inner thoughts to when he was stranded alone.  I don't know if that makes him less crazy than just talking to himself,  but it seems to work better as a movie device to have Tom Hanks say something and show Wilson's reaction. 

But yeah,  I agree it can really test a movie viewer's patience to go long periods without dialougue.  More recently I noticed the TV show Better Call Saul can push this limit at times.  It's OK to do it for one long scene,  just don't get in the habit of it.
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2024, 06:53:40 AM
Speaking of well done no dialog sequences ...

The Black Stallion (1979) - IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078872/)


I really liked this movie, good for kids.

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MaximumSam on January 28, 2024, 07:15:54 AM
I remember really enjoying The Weather Man some years ago. Hit some emotional beats  when I was going through a divorce.

I also loved Observe and Report. Pretty much everything Jody Hill does is a winner, but people didn't seem to connect with that one, though I did.
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Post by: Entropy on January 28, 2024, 11:13:49 AM
My favorite bad movie is They Live.   It's not good but I love watching it...
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2024, 12:00:25 PM
My favorite bad movie is Roadhouse.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 28, 2024, 12:02:54 PM
"Pain don't hurt."
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 28, 2024, 12:35:12 PM
Apparently there are people who are convinced that we need a 21st c version of Roadhouse starring Jake Gyllenhaal.    So sad.
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Post by: utee94 on January 28, 2024, 06:30:37 PM
My favorite bad movie is Starship  Troopers
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Post by: LittlePig on January 28, 2024, 07:29:27 PM
My favorite bad movie is Starship  Troopers
Agree that was an under-appreciated movie.   A satire that works better if you think of it as a comedy,  but still highly entertaining with some great action scenes. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 28, 2024, 07:34:49 PM
My favorite bad movie is Starship  Troopers
Agree that was an under-appreciated movie.  A satire that works better if you think of it as a comedy,  but still highly entertaining with some great action scenes.
Great book, though. 
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Post by: utee94 on January 28, 2024, 07:42:52 PM
Great book, though.

Yup, loved the book for being good.  Loved the movie for being... well, whatever it was. :)
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Post by: LittlePig on January 28, 2024, 07:52:06 PM
Yup, loved the book for being good.  Loved the movie for being... well, whatever it was. :)
I tried to read the book on a plane back in the 90's.   I just couldn't get past the first chapter.  I assume it got better but it was a hard read, at least for me. 
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Post by: Kris60 on January 28, 2024, 10:21:05 PM
I remember really enjoying The Weather Man some years ago. Hit some emotional beats  when I was going through a divorce.

I also loved Observe and Report. Pretty much everything Jody Hill does is a winner, but people didn't seem to connect with that one, though I did.
I loved The Weather Man.  Couldn’t agree more on it being under appreciated.
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2024, 08:48:34 AM
I thought Heinlein's books were great "back in the day".  I went to reread a couple more recently and they were .... not as good now.  

ST was a disappointing movie to me at first because it was a parody and I didn't want that.
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Post by: jgvol on January 29, 2024, 10:04:03 AM
"Mr. Holland's Opus"
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Post by: jgvol on January 29, 2024, 10:49:05 AM
"Big Fish"
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 29, 2024, 10:59:51 AM
I've always loved a movie called The Final Countdown. 

The premise is that a modern USN Carrier (Nimitz in 1980) encounters a mysterious storm that transports the entire ship back in time to immediately prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Once the crew/cast figures out what has happened they confront the philosophical question if whether they should prevent the attack (they have sufficient strength to easily wipe out the Japanese attack force even without resorting to atomic weapons) or let history proceed more-or-less as they know it.
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Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2024, 11:02:17 AM
I've always loved a movie called The Final Countdown.

The premise is that a modern USN Carrier (Nimitz in 1980) encounters a mysterious storm that transports the entire ship back in time to immediately prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Once the crew/cast figures out what has happened they confront the philosophical question if whether they should prevent the attack (they have sufficient strength to easily wipe out the Japanese attack force even without resorting to atomic weapons) or let history proceed more-or-less as they know it.

Yup and I'll still watch it any time it's on.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2024, 11:21:35 AM
Yeah, a supercarrier would be able to deal with the entire navies extant in 1941 until they ran out of ammo/avgas.

Maybe an enemy sub might sneak up on a single Nimitz.

But the speed makes that unlikely, and they could post Vikings around to protect the ship.

They probably would run short of avgas first.

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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on January 29, 2024, 12:35:06 PM
One of my favorite bad movies was Yellowbeard. Graham Chapman played the main character, the pirate Yellowbeard. Marty Feldman was one of the more prominent actors in the movie, but died during the filming. 

As far as underrated, the movie Father Goose starring Carey Grant is an all time classic. Very funny movie that I used to play for the kids now and then. They loved it when they were young. 
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Post by: longhorn320 on January 29, 2024, 01:31:57 PM
One of my favorite bad movies was Yellowbeard. Graham Chapman played the main character, the pirate Yellowbeard. Marty Feldman was one of the more prominent actors in the movie, but died during the filming.

As far as underrated, the movie Father Goose starring Carey Grant is an all time classic. Very funny movie that I used to play for the kids now and then. They loved it when they were young.
I loved Father Goose
great movie
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Post by: longhorn320 on January 29, 2024, 01:44:05 PM
Big fan of the movie Sahara

it didnt do well at the box office but I really liked it

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Post by: jgvol on January 29, 2024, 02:21:03 PM
"Hidalgo"
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 29, 2024, 02:35:04 PM
Yeah, a supercarrier would be able to deal with the entire navies extant in 1941 until they ran out of ammo/avgas.

Maybe an enemy sub might sneak up on a single Nimitz.

But the speed makes that unlikely, and they could post Vikings around to protect the ship.

They probably would run short of avgas first.
These are the kinds of discussions that I think are fun coming from the premise of Final Countdown.  

I think that the fuel situation would be manageable.  Jet Fuel is not substantially different from diesel so 1941 refineries would probably be able to make it.  I don't think the AvGas for the piston planes on Nimitz was all that different from the AvGas used by WWII era military planes.  

Uranium for the Carrier would be trickier but you'd also have ~20 years to figure that one out.  

Ammunition would be a major problem.  Even in 1980 fighters mostly used air-to-air rockets not cannons and if you are spending one air-to-air rocket for each Zero you shoot down well Nimitz is going to run out of air-to-air rockets way before Japan runs out of Zeros.  

The other one I've wondered is what would actually be the optimal way for an F14 to take down a Zero?  An F14 is obviously a vastly superior aircraft but if you can't use air-to-air rockets due to shortage then it gets trickier.  If you slow down to the Zero's speed you'd be a sitting duck because the Zero would be MUCH more maneuverable.  Even WWII US fighters were advised to use their superior speed and avoid dogfights with the lighter and more maneuverable Zero, for the F14 this would be an absolute necessity but it is hard to shoot down a plane when you are maintaining an airspeed 500+MPH faster than them.  

My theory is that the Zeros were fragile enough that the turbulence from a close pass at supersonic speeds would probably rip it apart so just fly by them at high speed but this has it's own dangers and limitations.  
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Post by: rolltidefan on January 29, 2024, 03:06:53 PM
Big fan of the movie Sahara

it didnt do well at the box office but I really liked it


loved it too. steve zahn is underappreciated as an actor as well, imo.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2024, 03:54:37 PM
Ammunition would be a major problem.  Even in 1980 fighters mostly used air-to-air rockets not cannons and if you are spending one air-to-air rocket for each Zero you shoot down well Nimitz is going to run out of air-to-air rockets way before Japan runs out of Zeros. 

The other one I've wondered is what would actually be the optimal way for an F14 to take down a Zero?  An F14 is obviously a vastly superior aircraft but if you can't use air-to-air rockets due to shortage then it gets trickier.  If you slow down to the Zero's speed you'd be a sitting duck because the Zero would be MUCH more maneuverable.  Even WWII US fighters were advised to use their superior speed and avoid dogfights with the lighter and more maneuverable Zero, for the F14 this would be an absolute necessity but it is hard to shoot down a plane when you are maintaining an airspeed 500+MPH faster than them. 
Strafing runs? 

With the greater ceiling and speed, you could be on the Zero from above and behind before they even knew you were there (I don't think they had onboard radar lol...) and it would be a lot easier for the 1941-era Americans to produce cannon rounds for the F14 than to try to produce air-to-air missiles w/o the ability to produce integrated circuits, i.e. impossible. 

And since you're basically trying to make a 1-pass kill at high closing speed, I don't think you're going to be around long enough for the Zero to try to train its guns on you, fire, and hit anything... 
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2024, 04:09:09 PM
Jet fuel is more akin to kerosene than Diesel, but same difference.  There is still an additive they use in Jet-A.  Our air to air missiles guide on radar or heat, or both.  It would be better to just have a high speed pass on Zeros to knock them silly.  You might be using a million dollar plus missile on a $50,000 plane.  

F-14s were famous for carrying Phoenix missiles with enormous range intended to take out Backfire bombers at long range, you wouldn't want to use them on Zeros.

Subs would probably be the greatest threat, but it would be very lucky for one of them to catch a Nimitz cruising along at 35 knots.  WW 2 subs did about 8 knots submerged and maybe 20 on the surface.   Anyway, it was kind of a fun movie in a way.

I read a scifi short story way back about some supersonic modern plane sent back to WW One and the problems it faced being effective.  Fuel was a main one.  It ended up doing the close pass thing to knock down biplanes.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2024, 04:26:58 PM
A little OT for even an OT thread, but in the same vein there is an alternate history writer named Harry Turtledove who wrote a book called The Guns of the South (https://www.amazon.com/Guns-South-Novel-Harry-Turtledove-ebook/dp/B004JHYS12/ref=sr_1_1?crid=10CVOLXCELWEC&keywords=guns+of+the+south&qid=1706563030&sprefix=guns+of+the+sout%2Caps%2C333&sr=8-1). The premise was that some South Africans who were pissed off that Apartheid ever happened found a way to time travel, but something about the nature of it only allowed a time value of exactly 150 years prior to their current era. 

So they (being racists) decided that if they could go back and arm the South in the Civil War with AK-47's, the South would win the war and it would change history such that they'd never have Apartheid. 

Interesting book. 
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 29, 2024, 04:31:56 PM
Strafing runs?

With the greater ceiling and speed, you could be on the Zero from above and behind before they even knew you were there (I don't think they had onboard radar lol...) and it would be a lot easier for the 1941-era Americans to produce cannon rounds for the F14 than to try to produce air-to-air missiles w/o the ability to produce integrated circuits, i.e. impossible.

And since you're basically trying to make a 1-pass kill at high closing speed, I don't think you're going to be around long enough for the Zero to try to train its guns on you, fire, and hit anything...
Agree on the air-to-air missiles. In this scenario the inventory on the ship is it, there will be no replacements.

You are right about the cannon rounds. The F14 had a 20MM Cannon and WWII US Industry was obviously capable of producing 20MM Cannon rounds (not the exact same gun nor round but for example the WWII era P38 had a 20MM Cannon as well).

Two things about Strafing runs:
First, I don't think it is as easy as it sounds. I don't know, but the cruising speed of the F14 is probably ~600MPH while a Zero can barely get over 300MPH max and their cruising speed is around 200MPH so the closing speed is going to be ~400MPH and you are shooting at a fairly small target that can move in three dimensions. This is vastly more difficult than strafing a building, train, or tank that is stationary or can only move at relatively low speed on one or two dimensions.

Also remember that you can't walk the aim all the way up to the target. At some point you HAVE to pull away (up, down, left, right, something). If you don't, you'll crash your irreplaceable F14 into either a Zero or the wreckage of a Zero and trading Zeros for F14's is a winning strategy for the Japanese.

Second is something that you would never suspect but I find interesting:
Years ago I read a book about Spitfires that was a compilation of pilot stories arranged chronologically. The last story was by a pilot who was assigned to "play" the enemy in mock combats for the British when they were getting ready to face some rebels who had WWII era planes somewhere in the 1960's. Ie, he was flying a Spitfire as the "Scout Team" so that they could figure out how best to take on WWII fighters with much newer jets.

They started out thinking what you suggested, from above. That makes sense because ever since the first air-to-air combat opposing pilots have always considered altitude to be an advantage. In this scenario, however, they determined that the jet was better off coming in from below because the prop-plane pilot has little or no ability to see something coming from that angle and because the jet had such a massive advantage in power/thrust to weight that altitude was unnecessary.  The Jet could come from below, fire, and just keep climbing at an angle that the prop plane simply couldn't follow.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2024, 04:45:29 PM
The stall speed of an F-14 is listed as 132 mph, about 120 knots.  Flying near stall speed can be tricky, but they should be able to fly easily at 150-200 knots, it has variable wings of course, and flaps.   Zero might be more manueverable at that speed than an F-14.  I think best "shot" would be to track on radar and get visual at ~300 knots and then buzz past fast enough that the jet wash and turbulence upsets the Zero to an unrecoverable spin/stall.  If they hit burner on the pass the shock wave and noise would be impressive.

F14 landing speed is listed as 145 mph, around 135 knots.  





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Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2024, 04:49:00 PM
Could an F-14 engage with a Japanese Zero, with guns or Sidewinder (ir) missiles, as depicted in that gem of a movie The Final Countdown? - Quora (https://www.quora.com/Could-an-F-14-engage-with-a-Japanese-Zero-with-guns-or-Sidewinder-ir-missiles-as-depicted-in-that-gem-of-a-movie-The-Final-Countdown)

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2024, 04:57:06 PM
Good point on the coming up from below thing... 

That said, I don't think the strafing run is QUITE as hard as you might make it out to be... It would be so, of course, if the Zero knew something was coming for it and taking evasive action. 

And of course once you make 1 run on a squadron, they'll probably all start taking evasive action. But I'd think given that you have radar and can probably engage them WAY before they are in range of whatever they're attacking, all that maneuvering will use up a hell of a lot of fuel and they may not make it to where they're supposed to attack, right? 

So they can either be sitting ducks, or they can't make it to their target... 
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Post by: LittlePig on January 29, 2024, 06:53:10 PM
A little OT for even an OT thread, but in the same vein there is an alternate history writer named Harry Turtledove who wrote a book called The Guns of the South (https://www.amazon.com/Guns-South-Novel-Harry-Turtledove-ebook/dp/B004JHYS12/ref=sr_1_1?crid=10CVOLXCELWEC&keywords=guns+of+the+south&qid=1706563030&sprefix=guns+of+the+sout%2Caps%2C333&sr=8-1). The premise was that some South Africans who were pissed off that Apartheid ever happened found a way to time travel, but something about the nature of it only allowed a time value of exactly 150 years prior to their current era.

So they (being racists) decided that if they could go back and arm the South in the Civil War with AK-47's, the South would win the war and it would change history such that they'd never have Apartheid.

Interesting book.
This is a little confusing. 

Are you saying racist South africans (White guys?) did not want Arpartheid to ever happen, so they went back in time and armed the American South with AK-47's in the American Civil War and somehow this prevented Apartheid from happening in South Africa?  And this made the racist South Africans happy?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2024, 07:01:01 PM
This is a little confusing. 

Are you saying racist South africans (White guys?) did not want Arpartheid to ever happen, so they went back in time and armed the American South with AK-47's in the American Civil War and somehow this prevented Apartheid from happening in South Africa?  And this made the racist South Africans happy?
Sorry, I misspoke... They were angry about the end of Apartheid. 

Brain fart on that one. It's been years since I read the book. 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: LittlePig on January 29, 2024, 07:12:05 PM
Sorry, I misspoke... They were angry about the end of Apartheid.

Brain fart on that one. It's been years since I read the book.
Ah,  that makes a lot more sense.  Thanks.  Sounds like an interesting alternate history with a surprising twist at the end. 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2024, 07:27:03 PM
Ah,  that makes a lot more sense.  Thanks.  Sounds like an interesting alternate history with a surprising twist at the end.
It is. He has another one (https://www.amazon.com/Ruled-Britannia-Harry-Turtledove-ebook/dp/B000OCXIBW/) where the Spanish has conquered the British in the late 1500s and installed Catholicism (incl. the Inquisition). The British employ a young unknown playwright (William Shakespeare) to write a play that would inflame the populous to rise up against them. 

We're not talking highbrow literature here... But some decently fun reads.

I haven't really kept up with the alternative history genre... I more often read hard sci-fi (and occasionally pulp sci-fi). But his stuff was interesting.
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Post by: utee94 on January 30, 2024, 02:57:34 PM
In general I've found I don't really enjoy alternate history books/movies.  

I'm a huge fantasy/sci-fi nerd so it's not a matter of imagination, I think it's just that I'm willing to suspend disbelief for almost anything, right up until it's a thing that I know actually did not ever happen.


Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: LittlePig on January 30, 2024, 03:30:55 PM
I tried to watch The Man in the High Castle,  which is a streaming series on Prime, I think.    

It's one of those alternate history stories where the Nazis take over the eastern United States and Japan took over the West coast.    The premise was interesting enough but the end of season 1 had a twist where I said, OK I am done.   
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Post by: FearlessF on January 30, 2024, 03:32:12 PM
I save a lot of time by never beginning with those things
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Post by: utee94 on January 30, 2024, 03:44:41 PM
I tried to watch The Man in the High Castle,  which is a streaming series on Prime, I think.   

It's one of those alternate history stories where the Nazis take over the eastern United States and Japan took over the West coast.    The premise was interesting enough but the end of season 1 had a twist where I said, OK I am done. 
Yeah I saw the previews for that show and knew it wasn't for me.

I watched all of Inglourious Basterds because I'll watch any Tarantino movie.  It was well acted and well executed and sort of fun-- or at least as fun as a brutal WWII/nazi movie about death squads and revenge and murder can be.  But ultimately I also found it to be pretty self-indulgent and a little too "just-so" for me to really like.  One viewing was more than enough, suffice to say.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 30, 2024, 04:17:13 PM
In general I've found I don't really enjoy alternate history books/movies. 

I'm a huge fantasy/sci-fi nerd so it's not a matter of imagination, I think it's just that I'm willing to suspend disbelief for almost anything, right up until it's a thing that I know actually did not ever happen.
That's fair. I wouldn't call myself a big fan of the genre, but I can get into a book if it's in front of me. But I can understand it being a big hurdle to go against what you actually know happened in favor of "what if X did Y instead of the real thing that happened?"

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on January 30, 2024, 09:47:51 PM
I wrote a four book series of alternate history.  
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Mdot21 on January 30, 2024, 10:00:09 PM
got a few off the top of my head...Donnie Brasco, Blood Diamond, and Syriana. None of them were big hits or award winners as far as I know, but all just really good movies with some terrific performances. Al Pacino in Donnie Brasco was as good as he's ever been- just wow. Blood Diamond might be Leo DiCaprio's best performance and that's saying something. And Syriana is the first movie that made me think wow- George Clooney is actually a legit actor and not just a movie star.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 30, 2024, 10:47:35 PM
I wrote a four book series of alternate history. 
have you sold the movie rights?
that's where the REAL money is
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 30, 2024, 11:07:05 PM
Brad Pitt in Basterds is freakin' epic.
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Post by: Mdot21 on January 31, 2024, 12:05:04 AM
Brad Pitt in Basterds is freakin' epic.
he's even better in Snatch....another wildly underrated movie
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 31, 2024, 01:48:14 AM
he's even better in Snatch....another wildly underrated movie
His best line ever came in True Romance.

He plays a stoner and when his roommate is leaving he takes a bong hit and says "get some beer . . . and some cleaning products." His stoned interactions with the mafia hitmen are hilarious too.

Actually True Romance fits this thread. Great cast including James Gandolfini (pre Sopranos fame) as a mobster/hitman.
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 31, 2024, 07:28:57 AM
he's even better in Snatch....another wildly underrated movie
Absolute banger of a movie. Plus the first thing I saw from Jason Statham, who was definitely not an action star in it. 
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Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2024, 08:48:54 AM
Snatch just sounds like a great movie
maybe I'll watch it some frigid dark February night 
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Post by: utee94 on January 31, 2024, 09:02:10 AM
The movie where I finally became convinced that Leo DiCaprio could actually act, was Catch Me If You Can.  I don't know whether or not that movie is "underappreciated" because a lot of people really like it, but it's a movie that definitely took many by surprise.

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Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2024, 09:06:40 AM
Snatch just sounds like a great movie
maybe I'll watch it some frigid dark February night
Sounds like an Erotica Flick
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Post by: Mdot21 on January 31, 2024, 09:11:08 AM
The movie where I finally became convinced that Leo DiCaprio could actually act, was Catch Me If You Can.  I don't know whether or not that movie is "underappreciated" because a lot of people really like it, but it's a movie that definitely took many by surprise.
Idk bc he was pretty damn good in What's Eating Gilbert Grape and Basketball Diaries. his career kind of took a turn and he was doing what I think were awful love story sh*tty movies for teenage girls like Romeo & Juliet and Titanic....but he bounced back from that and went straight back into really acting shortly after that. he went on a run with Gangs of New York, Catch Me if You Can, The Aviator, The Departed, Blood Diamond, Shutter Island, Inception, Django Unchained....like bam bam bam bam....just really good movie and top notch performance after another.
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Post by: utee94 on January 31, 2024, 09:21:23 AM
Idk bc he was pretty damn good in What's Eating Gilbert Grape and Basketball Diaries. his career kind of took a turn and he was doing what I think were awful love story sh*tty movies for teenage girls like Romeo & Juliet and Titanic....but he bounced back from that and went straight back into really acting shortly after that. he went on a run with Gangs of New York, Catch Me if You Can, The Aviator, The Departed, Blood Diamond, Shutter Island, Inception, Django Unchained....like bam bam bam bam....just really good movie and top notch performance after another.
I never saw Basketball Diaries and wasn't particularly impressed with him in Gilbert Grape-- yeah yeah I know, any time an actor plays a special needs character everybody goes crazy for it.  I didn't.

So Titanic and a really terrible adaptation of Romeo & Juliet were his works I was most familiar with, and I thought he was below-average to really sucky, as an actor.

But CMIYC had a very good cast, a great script, great direction, and some excellent acting from all parties.  Really impressive.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2024, 09:22:46 AM
Sounds like an Erotica Flick
I hope I'm not disappointed
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Post by: Mdot21 on January 31, 2024, 09:31:15 AM
His best line ever came in True Romance.

He plays a stoner and when his roommate is leaving he takes a bong hit and says "get some beer . . . and some cleaning products." His stoned interactions with the mafia hitmen are hilarious too.

Actually True Romance fits this thread. Great cast including James Gandolfini (pre Sopranos fame) as a mobster/hitman.
great point. True Romance was awesome and Pitt & Gandolfini were great in it and it was way before either because hugely famous. 
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2024, 11:02:58 AM
Idk bc he was pretty damn good in What's Eating Gilbert Grape and Basketball Diaries. his career kind of took a turn and he was doing what I think were awful love story sh*tty movies for teenage girls like Romeo & Juliet and Titanic....but he bounced back from that and went straight back into really acting shortly after that. he went on a run with Gangs of New York, Catch Me if You Can, The Aviator, The Departed, Blood Diamond, Shutter Island, Inception, Django Unchained....like bam bam bam bam....just really good movie and top notch performance after another.
Gotta see that,also want to catch The Revenant that LD was in. About real life bad ass Hugh Glass 1820s fur trapper left for dead after a grizzly attack
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2024, 11:13:30 AM
I liked Suicide Kings with Chritopher Walken, Dennis Leary,Jay Mohr looked it up described as dark comedy thriller. Young guys kidnap a mobster and things go down hill after Chloroforming him,worth the time IMO
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2024, 03:22:52 PM
Ronin. 

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronin_(film)
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2024, 03:26:45 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hundred-Foot_Journey_(film)


A Good Year.  
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 03, 2024, 11:19:22 AM
"Hidalgo"
There was a time I got into slow, quiet 3-hour movies, and Hidalgo was one of them.  It's really good.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 03, 2024, 11:21:11 AM
My favorite bad movie is Roadhouse.
You're in luck (or cursed), they're doing a remake this year.  Starring Jake Gyllenhaal as Dalton.  Co-starrring Conor McGregor.  Set in the FL Keys.
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 03, 2024, 12:49:39 PM
great point. True Romance was awesome and Pitt & Gandolfini were great in it and it was way before either because hugely famous.
Have never seen that,emptying the job jar and filling it with Flicks I have to see
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Post by: utee94 on February 03, 2024, 01:52:56 PM
You're in luck (or cursed), they're doing a remake this year.  Starring Jake Gyllenhaal as Dalton.  Co-starrring Conor McGregor.  Set in the FL Keys.
Looks like a cross between Cocktail and Roadhouse.  I'm gonna go ahead and call it Cockhouse.
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Post by: LittlePig on February 03, 2024, 03:09:07 PM
https://youtu.be/e5RsQ6qsaZU?si=jH1NqCJ7R0ppMDaK

I think one of more under-rated movies is The incredible Shrinking Man. Starts out like one of the cheesiest movies ever and almost plays as a comedy in the first 40 minutes,  but then shifts in tone and turns into an action survivor movie as the hero shrinks small enough to survive big falls, almost drowning, and then battling the common spider.  Then shits in tone again to end on a deeper more philosophical intellectual tone.   Mich better movie than I was anticipatng
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 04, 2024, 09:40:56 AM
Looks like a cross between Cocktail and Roadhouse.  I'm gonna go ahead and call it Cockhouse.
The producers are probably mad they didn't think of this, lol.

I wonder how many monster trucks it'll have.  I also wonder if McGregor is gong to tell Dalton what he did to guys like him in prison.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 05, 2024, 09:12:41 AM

I don't think Cabin Fever (horror) gets the appreciation it deserves.

Roadhouse, like Red Dawn, should have never been touched......

100% agree. Not at all a horror film fan, and this was one of only two horror movies I've ever liked.

Cabin Fever (2002) masters a morbidly unsettling comedy that most all other horror movies cannot sustain for a full movie. I didn’t find anything frightening about Cabin Fever, which is how horror movies aim to be remembered by. Instead, it’s Cabin Fever’s balancing of weird situational humor with its few terribly sad scenes where its victims fall helpless to their fates that makes this a memorable, underrated accomplishment for the horror genre.

And wouldn’t you know, a completely unnecessary, charmless, and very poorly received remake was released in 2016 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sieu-nuNnrQ).

The other horror film I like might be just as underrated - The Cabin in the Woods (2011).
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Post by: Riffraft on February 05, 2024, 09:31:29 AM


Roadhouse, like Red Dawn, should have never been touched......
Haven't been able to get myself to watch the remake of Roadhouse.  As you said probably should never been touched.
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Post by: ncbuck71 on February 05, 2024, 10:17:58 AM
100% agree. Not at all a horror film fan, and this was one of only two horror movies I've ever liked.

Cabin Fever (2002) masters a morbidly unsettling comedy that most all other horror movies cannot sustain for a full movie. I didn’t find anything frightening about Cabin Fever, which is how horror movies aim to be remembered by. Instead, it’s Cabin Fever’s balancing of weird situational humor with its few terribly sad scenes where its victims fall helpless to their fates that makes this a memorable, underrated accomplishment for the horror genre.

And wouldn’t you know, a completely unnecessary, charmless, and very poorly received remake was released in 2016 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sieu-nuNnrQ).

The other horror film I like might be just as underrated - The Cabin in the Woods (2011).
I 100% agree about Cabin In The Woods. It flipped the horror genre on its head. I saw it in the theater and thought I was in the wrong place at first. That is one of my favorite recent horror movies. 

The Cabin Fever DVD had an extra with the "Pancake" kid's audition. It is pretty wild.
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Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2024, 12:00:18 PM
Haven't been able to get myself to watch the remake of Roadhouse.  As you said probably should never been touched.

It's not out yet, March 8th is the release date.  Be sure to mark your calendar! :)
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Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2024, 12:03:10 PM
Oh I just thought of another bad movie that I love-- Megaforce.  Barry Bostwick on a flying motorcycle, it really doesn't get much better than that!

(https://i.imgur.com/5bLgQYk.jpg)
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Post by: grillrat on February 05, 2024, 04:19:28 PM
Ah,  that makes a lot more sense.  Thanks.  Sounds like an interesting alternate history with a surprising twist at the end.
Turtledove is the king of alternate history fiction.
Guns of the South was awesome.  There is a great conversation in the book between General Lee and the South Africans from the future.  They are showing Lee the AK's and how they are used, meanwhile one of the South Africans on the side opens up a MRE.  Lee puts his hand up to pause the South Africans to point to the guy eating the MRE and says "what the heck is that", to which the South African shows him what the MRE is.  Lee pretty much says, "Sure, the guns are nice, but you give me 1,000,000 of these and I can almost guarantee that we win this war."

Turtledove also has another series that is somewhat similar to The Final Countdown plot.  It is based on the idea that aliens arrive / attack at the beginning of world war 2.  The aliens have 1980's technology, including nukes.  Interesting series but a little hard to follow as he has plot lines running in 6 or 7 different countries.
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Post by: grillrat on February 05, 2024, 04:29:24 PM
For my underappreciated:

The Badadook.  Fantastic horror movie.  Good reviews, but not seen by alot of people.

True Romance is up there.  Dennis Hopper's speech when he knows he is going to die is one of my favorite scenes ever.

Sunshine.  Really great Sci-fi flick.

Joe Versus the Volcano.  Considered one of Tom Hank's worst movies, but it has some great quotes and underappreciated symbolism.
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Post by: Riffraft on February 05, 2024, 05:58:13 PM
It's not out yet, March 8th is the release date.  Be sure to mark your calendar! :)
Keep seeing it show up on my Amazon Prime page so I assumed it was out 
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Post by: Riffraft on February 05, 2024, 06:05:07 PM
I like a sci-fi movie called "The last Starfight" Nothing special, just entertaining.  One of Robert Preston's last movies, playing one of his typical roles, the loveable rogue.
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Post by: grillrat on February 05, 2024, 06:55:38 PM
Assume you meant The Last Starfighter?

"What do we do?"
.....
"We die."

BOOOOOOOOM!
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Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2024, 07:07:36 PM
The Last Starfighter was great, loved that movie.  It was in heavy rotation on HBO and Cinemax in the mid 80s alongside Krull and Beastmaster, I probably saw each of those 20 or 30 times.

(https://i.imgur.com/cDPwVXq.jpg)
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 06, 2024, 02:11:58 AM
Krull was crazy.  A little slow for a kid, but I'd watch parts of it off and on for years.

The cyclops was impressively done. 

It was obviously for the D'nD crowd, but I had no idea what that was.  I always wanted a toy of that 5-bladed weapon from that movie.
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2024, 09:12:33 AM
It was an even weirder book, as I recall.

Speaking of weird 80s SciFi/Fantasy:

(https://i.imgur.com/LqZ4CLa.jpg)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 06, 2024, 11:05:58 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TsFTouGZL7k
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 06, 2024, 11:06:26 AM
Better in the original Klingon.  
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Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2024, 09:02:28 PM
Erika Eleniak in Under Siege (1992)

(https://i.imgur.com/UqYMjmf.png)
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 10, 2024, 07:20:10 AM
There is an ancient Bruce Dern movie I kind of sorta liked a bit, scifi.  The funny thing is how the two robots mirror R2D2 of later fame.  I started watching this a few years back with some anticipation though and found it a bit off.

Silent Running - Trailer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p69lEMn0I8k)
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 10, 2024, 07:25:22 AM
Road House - Official Trailer | Prime Video (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0ZsLudtfjI)

The trailer looks decent.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 10, 2024, 07:44:36 AM
It's extending that quality from 2 minutes to 2 hours that's the tricky bit.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 10, 2024, 08:44:36 AM
I think we'd all expect a rather trite story line (well known) with some kitschy acting and a lot of fight scenes.  It's not meant to be an artistic masterpiece.

I'm still wondering why Oppenheimer was thought to be some great movie, I think it went over my head.

Incidentally, the Hiroshima weapon was based on uranium and the design was never tested, they "knew" it would work, it was a rather simple design.  They didn't spend much time on any of that.  Maybe I said this.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 12, 2024, 02:04:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TkGvRO9.png)
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Post by: LittlePig on February 18, 2024, 07:32:37 AM
Patrick McCafffery mentioned Iowa's OT win over Wisconsin was like falling out of a airplane and needing a parachute.  It got me wondering what movie was it where somebody falls out of a plane without a parachute and survives.

I saw it recently done on the TV show Scorpion,  an under-rated TV show in my opinion,  if you don't take the show too seriously.

  I came up with a movie.   Point Break with Patrick Swazye and Keanu Reeves.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DKwgvGkuUDHU&ved=2ahUKEwjcxMGp77SEAxVD4skDHaEACIkQwqsBegQIEBAG&usg=AOvVaw1L0kNfTquVVDPg3gZOCHOa

And Another movie known more for its stunts.  Mission Imposdible:  Fallout

https://youtu.be/FXkQKd94N1A?si=LwRjb2NeZ_FgFb9f
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 18, 2024, 08:11:45 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TkGvRO9.png)
Hey, Oddball, this is your hour of glory. And you're chickening out!

To a New Yorker like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Tigers.
It's been a couple of years, it's in the honey dew jar
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Post by: FearlessF on February 18, 2024, 08:48:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/fqxqGI9.jpg)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 18, 2024, 09:38:49 AM
I think we'd all expect a rather trite story line (well known) with some kitschy acting and a lot of fight scenes.  It's not meant to be an artistic masterpiece.

I'm still wondering why Oppenheimer was thought to be some great movie, I think it went over my head.

Incidentally, the Hiroshima weapon was based on uranium and the design was never tested, they "knew" it would work, it was a rather simple design.  They didn't spend much time on any of that.  Maybe I said this.
If you want to learn a whole lot more about both the Hiroshima and Nagasaki weapons, the Trinity Site in New Mexico is open twice a year and they do a great presentation.

I'm far from a nuclear physicist but the general principle is that to get a bomb you need to compress fissile material into a dense enough mass. The untested bomb was a "gun type" bomb in which a fissile uranium "bullet" was fired into a tamper to cause the requisite compression.

The tested version, "gadget" as the test bomb was known, was an implosion weapon in which the detonation of a sphere of conventional explosive around a fissile core led to the nuclear explosion.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on February 18, 2024, 10:08:18 PM
Released February 15, 1985, Vision Quest / Crazy for You is an American coming-of-age romantic drama film directed by Harold Becker and starring Matthew Modine, Linda Fiorentino, Michael Schoeffling, Ronny Cox and Madonna.

(https://i.imgur.com/f9aHcB8.jpg)
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 18, 2024, 11:07:51 PM
If you want to learn a whole lot more about both the Hiroshima and Nagasaki weapons, the Trinity Site in New Mexico is open twice a year and they do a great presentation.

I'm far from a nuclear physicist but the general principle is that to get a bomb you need to compress fissile material into a dense enough mass. The untested bomb was a "gun type" bomb in which a fissile uranium "bullet" was fired into a tamper to cause the requisite compression.

The tested version, "gadget" as the test bomb was known, was an implosion weapon in which the detonation of a sphere of conventional explosive around a fissile core led to the nuclear explosion.
There's museums in Oak Ridge, TN and of course Los Alamos, NM that are very informative on the topic.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on February 18, 2024, 11:08:35 PM
Footloose - Released 40 years ago on this day

February 17, 1984

(https://i.imgur.com/KivnpFw.jpg)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on February 18, 2024, 11:11:43 PM
Good call on Vision Quest, definitely an underrated movie as far as the 80s teen exploitation films go.  It also has a really good soundtrack.

I'm not sure Footloose counts as "underrated" though-- it's pretty iconic in pop culture.

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 19, 2024, 07:55:09 AM
We have movies here of all stripes ...

(https://i.imgur.com/Cy3ZsY9.png)
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 19, 2024, 07:59:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/e2JqxPz.png)
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Post by: FearlessF on February 19, 2024, 08:04:43 AM
Right turn, Clyde 
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 19, 2024, 12:22:28 PM
Scrap the caddy,Clyde
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: grillrat on February 19, 2024, 12:26:37 PM
The Last Starfighter was great, loved that movie.  It was in heavy rotation on HBO and Cinemax in the mid 80s alongside Krull and Beastmaster, I probably saw each of those 20 or 30 times.

(https://i.imgur.com/cDPwVXq.jpg)

I was today years old when I found out that this guy from The Last Starfighter:
(https://i.imgur.com/4ob7WRd.png)

And this guy from Robocop:
(https://i.imgur.com/4DiH3mq.png)

Are the same guy.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 19, 2024, 06:05:18 PM
Cincy & 847
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f5/Statler_and_Waldorf_2.jpg/220px-Statler_and_Waldorf_2.jpg)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2024, 08:55:56 AM
Cincy is the taller one 
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 09:03:36 AM
The Last Starfighter was great, loved that movie.  It was in heavy rotation on HBO and Cinemax in the mid 80s alongside Krull and Beastmaster, I probably saw each of those 20 or 30 times.
[img width=274.381 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/cDPwVXq.jpg[/img]
Is this the movie where the video game is basically a recruiting tool and when the kid wins he gets visited by beings from another planet who need him to be a pilot and save them?
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 09:09:38 AM
True Romance is up there.  Dennis Hopper's speech when he knows he is going to die is one of my favorite scenes ever.
I love that movie and agree, this scene is great. Hopper does such a great job. He knows the Christopher Walken character is going to kill him so he just doesn't care.

The other hilarious part is that the whole thing is over Walken and his crew wanting to know where Hopper's son (Christian Slater) has gone. Hopper has been defiantly refusing to tell them and claiming he doesn't know. After they kill Hopper someone notices a note stuck on Hopper's fridge with the information they wanted.

The final shootout scene is also terrific. 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 09:16:18 AM
Cincy & 847
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f5/Statler_and_Waldorf_2.jpg/220px-Statler_and_Waldorf_2.jpg)
Which is Statler and which is Waldorf?
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2024, 10:47:08 AM
Is this the movie where the video game is basically a recruiting tool and when the kid wins he gets visited by beings from another planet who need him to be a pilot and save them?
Exactly. As a brand new teenager in 1984, spending tons of time at the arcades, this was a dream scenario for me! :)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Riffraft on February 20, 2024, 10:47:56 AM
Is this the movie where the video game is basically a recruiting tool and when the kid wins he gets visited by beings from another planet who need him to be a pilot and save them?
Yes that is the movie
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2024, 10:48:14 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/f5lPGNV.png)
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Post by: Mdot21 on February 20, 2024, 12:00:35 PM
And Another movie known more for its stunts.  Mission Imposdible:  Fallout

https://youtu.be/FXkQKd94N1A?si=LwRjb2NeZ_FgFb9f
Love that scene. Dude is amazing, does all of his own stunts- most of which are insane. Tom Cruise is one of the most underrated actors period, with tons of underrated movies. The Last Samurai, Collateral, Edge of Tomorrow, Oblivion, and Jack Reacher- all slept on imo.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2024, 12:03:45 PM
Tom Cruise is great.  He's just a pure entertainer who deeply understands his craft.  He was miscast in Reacher, but even so he did a credible job with it.

My favorite role of his might be Les Grossman in Tropic Thunder.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on February 20, 2024, 12:16:34 PM
It's been a couple of years, it's in the honey dew jar
I have the DVD sitting on the DVD player right now. One of my all time favorite movies.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 12:28:48 PM
Exactly. As a brand new teenager in 1984, spending tons of time at the arcades, this was a dream scenario for me! :)
Yes that is the movie
Thanks, thought so.

Someone mentioned upthread that this movie was in heavy rotation on cable channels. I've probably seen it to dozen times cumulatively but I don't think I've ever seen more that about 1/2 an hour of it in any one sitting. 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2024, 12:38:56 PM
Fandango is one of my all-time favorites, and it's very underappreciated.  It's a coming of age story about a group of male college friends who are graduating (or, not) and starting to feel the pressures of the next phase, including potentially being drafted for Viet Nam, and one who is getting married.  So they decide to shirk all responsibility and take one last road trip, a celebration of "the privilege of youth."

It doesn't hurt that it's centered on 5 kids graduating from The University of Texas in 1971, and starts off in Austin and crosses through Texas into Mexico.  But its themes are universal.  It was exec-produced by Steven Spielberg and was one of the very first movies released under his Amblin Entertainment Studio label, directed by Kevin Reynolds,  and it features Kevin Costner in his first lead role, plus Judd Nelson, Sam Robards, and a young Suzy Amis.  It was also scored by Alan Silvestri.

It's really slow, a thinker, but has some fantastic bits.  

(https://i.imgur.com/9cTuy01.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2024, 01:18:42 PM
Watch Breaking Away | Prime Video (amazon.com) (https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Away-Jackie-Haley/dp/B008GOG98Y#:~:text=A cycling obsessed Indiana teen,the town's annual bike race.)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2024, 01:21:12 PM
Watch Mystery, Alaska | Prime Video (amazon.com) (https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Alaska-Russell-Crowe/dp/B006EIEVV6)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2024, 01:49:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/b0yCN1Y.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on February 21, 2024, 07:52:39 AM
Love that scene. Dude is amazing, does all of his own stunts- most of which are insane. Tom Cruise is one of the most underrated actors period, with tons of underrated movies. The Last Samurai, Collateral, Edge of Tomorrow, Oblivion, and Jack Reacher- all slept on imo.
 
   (https://i.imgur.com/I0ZqPcs.png)

I've got an idea we'll make a movie and he'll be the greatest race car driver. We'll make another movie and he'll be the greatest jet fighter. We'll make yet another one and he'll be the greatest trial attorney even tho he never tried a case previous,somebody get me a bucket
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 07:55:27 AM
To Catch a Thief (1955) - IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048728/)

I liked this one a lot.  She was a great actress, and easy to look at.

I'm told the prince she married was gay, really gay, and she ended up depressed.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on February 21, 2024, 07:55:50 AM
Gawd,Beevis and Butthead going thru the Soup Nazi's line - make it happen.Wasn't a big Seinfeld fan but the SN was great
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on February 21, 2024, 08:13:24 AM
Never saw the soup nazi episode but heard it was funny. 

I have my doubts. 

Kramer was the only talent 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on February 21, 2024, 08:46:43 AM
I've got an idea we'll make a movie and he'll be the greatest race car driver. We'll make another movie and he'll be the greatest jet fighter. We'll make yet another one and he'll be the greatest trial attorney even tho he never tried a case previous,somebody get me a bucket

Wait, I didn't realize we were talking about Joe Pesci.


(https://i.imgur.com/rkZjyee.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MarqHusker on February 21, 2024, 08:47:29 AM
The Spanish Prisoner should be here.  A serious Steve Martin?  Yes, a mildly dark character.  A David Mamet directed film.  Think it was 97 or so. I saw it in college.   Campbell Scott also in it.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 08:54:00 AM
I don't know that movie at all.  Cool.

The Spanish Prisoner - Trailer (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPF-5KNmqq4)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 08:56:16 AM
The Most Underrated Movies of All Time - IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/list/ls061657031/)

I've seen two of these.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 08:57:19 AM
The 28 Most Underrated Movies Ever Made | Marie Claire (https://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a14009/most-underrated-films-of-all-time/)
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Post by: FearlessF on February 21, 2024, 07:04:41 PM
Former Husker running back Ameer Abdullah has landed a role in an upcoming movie, “Break the Cycle.”
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on February 21, 2024, 07:24:56 PM
The 28 Most Underrated Movies Ever Made | Marie Claire (https://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a14009/most-underrated-films-of-all-time/)
I was gonna scoff at the source being Marie Claire, but that's a very solid list.  A couple of clunkers but of them solid-to-very good movies and largely underappreciated.

I had a huge thing for Liv Tyler in the 90s so both Empire Records and That Thing You Do are way up there on my list.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 21, 2024, 07:58:07 PM
The 28 Most Underrated Movies Ever Made | Marie Claire (https://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a14009/most-underrated-films-of-all-time/)
Why I haven't been participating in this thread... I've only even seen 4 of those. 

BTW Big Fan was a great movie. Such dark comedy. Highly recommend. Patton Oswalt was great. 

Likewise, Young Adult with Patton Oswalt alongside Charlize Theron was also really really good. Again, dark comedy, but if that's your thing, it's a good one. 
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Post by: utee94 on February 21, 2024, 08:20:05 PM
If you love Patton Oswalt so much why don't you marry him???
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2024, 09:11:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/kuwsiKu.png)
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Post by: utee94 on February 22, 2024, 09:55:48 AM
Ha!  Love it.  My kids watched that movie for the first time a couple of years ago and decided that Danny LaRusso was the antagonist.  And sure enough...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Gz_iTuRMM
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2024, 01:22:48 PM
A bit of an odd movie, one of Spielberg's first, called "Duel".

Best Road Trip Movies: Duel Review - The News Wheel (https://thenewswheel.com/best-road-trip-movies-duel-review/?fbclid=IwAR0W1-ZHbx1pI7UI_f8lGO65gpq3x5fYHP8S4_lWYdOUQChzXUJvMjZjFvQ)


 1971, Universal TV purchased a short story called “Duel” that had originally appeared in Playboy magazine. They hired the author adapt his own work into a teleplay, shot the project in 13 days, and aired it as an episode of ABC’s Movie of the Week series. The reception was so positive that they decided to lengthen the running time from 74 to 90 minutes and distributed it in Europe as a feature length film. Duel attracted some positive reviews overseas, but in all honesty, we probably wouldn’t be talking about it at all in the year 2014 if not for the fact that it was directed by a 25-year old film school dropout named Steven Spielberg.
(https://i.imgur.com/MnmNrYH.png)
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 22, 2024, 01:53:59 PM
Wait, I didn't realize we were talking about Joe Pesci.


(https://i.imgur.com/rkZjyee.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/xITsA7o.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on February 22, 2024, 02:04:35 PM
Never saw the soup nazi episode but heard it was funny.

I have my doubts.

Kramer was the only talent
Part of it is on YouTube
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 22, 2024, 02:09:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xITsA7o.png)
The better quote, IMHO, is the Judge's response to Pesci's comment:

Pesci:  "So da 2 Utes dat you saw . . ."
Judge:  "Two what . . ."
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Post by: longhorn320 on February 22, 2024, 02:28:40 PM
A bit of an odd movie, one of Spielberg's first, called "Duel".

Best Road Trip Movies: Duel Review - The News Wheel (https://thenewswheel.com/best-road-trip-movies-duel-review/?fbclid=IwAR0W1-ZHbx1pI7UI_f8lGO65gpq3x5fYHP8S4_lWYdOUQChzXUJvMjZjFvQ)


1971, Universal TV purchased a short story called “Duel” that had originally appeared in Playboy magazine. They hired the author adapt his own work into a teleplay, shot the project in 13 days, and aired it as an episode of ABC’s Movie of the Week series. The reception was so positive that they decided to lengthen the running time from 74 to 90 minutes and distributed it in Europe as a feature length film. Duel attracted some positive reviews overseas, but in all honesty, we probably wouldn’t be talking about it at all in the year 2014 if not for the fact that it was directed by a 25-year old film school dropout named Steven Spielberg.
(https://i.imgur.com/MnmNrYH.png)
good call I loved duel
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: grillrat on February 22, 2024, 05:58:34 PM
My Cousin Vinny is actually really good, not only because it is an entertaining movie, but also because it is actually one of the more accurate portrayals of how lawyers actually operate in a court of law.
There is a youtube channel out there where a lawyer takes a look at various movies / tv shows involving court rooms and he grades them on accuracy with regards to what you can and can't get away with in an actual court and if their legal arguments pass muster.
You are not allowed to walk up directly in front of the jury and talk to them.
You generally are not allowed to approach and directly talk to the witnesses on the stand.
Alot of arguments in movies are stupid and would have legitimate sustainable objections.

For example, a few good men, while a fantastic movie, is atrociously bad with regards to Tom Cruise's behavior.  He would have been thrown out of court long before getting to the "You can't handle the truth" moment.

My Cousin Vinny though is actually really good.  While the scene where he gets Marissa Tomei to give her expert opinion is great, the important scene is the one right after that where he brings the opposition's car expert back to the stand to refute the Marissa's testimony (which he can't).

If people are truly interested, I can link the lawyer's review of that movie.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2024, 07:42:53 AM
Yeah, in many states, the lawyers stand at a lecturn and lecture, and have to ask the judge if they can approach a witness.

In A few Good Men, one issue is there is no such charge in the UCMJ as "Conduct Unbecoming a Marine (enlisted)".

It's all theater.  We enjoy watching Law and Order reruns fairly often, same kind of deal.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: SuperMario on February 23, 2024, 02:19:17 PM
The Most Underrated Movies of All Time - IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/list/ls061657031/)

I've seen two of these.
I hope one of the two is Cinderella Man.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2024, 03:24:58 PM
Yeah, I really liked Cindy Man, I'm not sure why that was unappreciated.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: SuperMario on February 23, 2024, 03:40:32 PM
Yeah, I really liked Cindy Man, I'm not sure why that was unappreciated.
It's not fast paced enough for the generation. Personally, it's in my top 5 all-time.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on February 24, 2024, 11:08:10 AM
THIS DAY IN HISTORY:

The Battle of Los Angeles (1942)
The "Battle of Los Angeles" is the name given by contemporary sources to the imaginary enemy attack and subsequent anti-aircraft artillery barrage that took place over Los Angeles, California, just months after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Reports of an imminent strike on the city led to the sounding of air raid sirens, the imposition of a blackout, and the firing of 1,400 shells at supposed Japanese aircraft, killing several US civilians.


(https://i.imgur.com/Ns025fE.jpeg)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2024, 11:50:41 AM
BATTLE: LOS ANGELES - Trailer (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt7ofokzn04)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2024, 12:44:17 PM
I see Oppenheimer taking home various awards (which mean little to me), so it makes me think I missed a point somewhere (which happens).  Or perhaps it is just over hyped and there isn't much competition?  Or it's just not my type?

I do struggle often as not with pseudo-documentaries, I don't know whether to critique them for not being a documentary or just let it ride.  Maybe it's just a movie, and the plot theme is kind of peripheral?

Back on topic, I liked the movie "Draft Day" quite a bit.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2024, 06:09:30 PM
The idea of a documentary has shifted according to our possibilities during the past hundred years. Our artistic preoccupations of their creators have not changed radically in that time.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/sixty-two-films-that-shaped-the-art-of-documentary-filmmaking (https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/sixty-two-films-that-shaped-the-art-of-documentary-filmmaking)

Sixty-two Films That Shaped the Art of Documentary Filmmaking
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on February 25, 2024, 07:51:36 PM

Back on topic, I liked the movie "Draft Day" quite a bit.
I liked Draft Day

Another movie about a baseball scout called "Trouble with the Curve" was very good 

staring Clint Eastwood and Amy Adams
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 25, 2024, 08:13:13 PM
Half of Eastwood's lines are him growling.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on February 25, 2024, 08:32:46 PM
Half of Eastwood's lines are him growling.
yep reminded me of my father
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on February 26, 2024, 11:18:05 AM
Half of Eastwood's lines are him growling.
(https://i.imgur.com/3AKlBp7.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on February 26, 2024, 11:32:57 AM
Heres a clip from it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xWTNiznnrc
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: CatsbyAZ on March 02, 2024, 03:12:20 AM
Always thought M Night Shyamalan's Unbreakable (2000) was underrated. Deconstructed and dissected super heroes before deconstructing and dissecting super heroes accelerated into an unwatchable cliché w/ obsessively self-aware movies and shows like The Boys. Good cast, atmosphere, and an unassuming villain. Rest of Shyamalan's filmography is mostly crap.

(https://i.imgur.com/uF1BlMD.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on March 02, 2024, 03:22:19 PM
Had this movie discussion recently in an old Inn over a couple of vessels of grog with some buds. They said The Boondock Saints was great as was The Other Guys. I've haven't seen either
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 03, 2024, 06:15:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/NRy2Hr8.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 03, 2024, 08:06:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FC7vRa7.png)

Mark Hamill and Annie Potts in Corvette Summer (1978)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 03, 2024, 08:40:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/NRy2Hr8.png)
I can't help thinking they might have escorted her to the barracks...
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Post by: longhorn320 on March 03, 2024, 09:13:44 PM
I can't help thinking they might have escorted her to the barracks...
classy
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 03, 2024, 09:48:52 PM
I'm sure I'm the only one......ffs
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 03, 2024, 09:57:54 PM
sicko
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 04, 2024, 11:12:00 AM
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Post by: FearlessF on March 04, 2024, 11:18:53 AM
I think he got it when I posted "sicko"
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 04, 2024, 04:10:43 PM
Hennepin Avenue, Minneapolis Minnesota, early 1940s

(https://i.imgur.com/9JFgW1J.png)

obviously, NOT an escort to the barracks
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on March 04, 2024, 05:01:32 PM
Ya well if they've all been away at the front and they are not her brothers - they're thinking of it
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 04, 2024, 05:53:04 PM
look like brothers to me

keep it clean

This is the underappreciated movies thread, not the hotties thread
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 04, 2024, 06:30:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZZErKcX.png)

Back to School (1986) - Professor Terguson Loses It Scene (5/12) | Movieclips (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9DO26O6dIg)

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 04, 2024, 06:39:34 PM
Josey Wales "Nothing Extra" (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyPZFi2b380)

Not really under appreciated, but I watch it every time.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 04, 2024, 07:16:27 PM
Josey Wales "Nothing Extra" (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyPZFi2b380)

Not really under appreciated, but I watch it every time.
I love the old Indian in that
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 04, 2024, 07:50:11 PM
Porky's (1981)

(https://i.imgur.com/vwtz2of.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 05, 2024, 12:13:58 AM
I love the old Indian in that
Native American.
Or you could guess where in India he hailed from.  
Either/or.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 05, 2024, 01:08:54 AM
Native American.
Or you could guess where in India he hailed from. 
Either/or.
they will always be known as Indians to me sorry

and I will always be known as a long knife to them

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on March 05, 2024, 02:31:48 AM


look like brothers to me

keep it clean

This is the underappreciated movies thread, not the hotties thread
keep it clean,lmao so ya march out a porky's reference.stick to pot stirring you're not a good mall cop
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 05, 2024, 03:41:03 AM
they will always be known as Indians to me sorry
Because.....
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 05, 2024, 08:40:47 AM
Because.....
because thats what John Wayne called them
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2024, 08:42:30 AM
"Indians" is just easier to say, and most folks now what you mean in context.  I make some effort to use the term preferred by some group, but I personally don't care.

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 05, 2024, 08:49:32 AM
I say "feather" indian or "dot" indian
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 05, 2024, 09:19:49 AM
"Indians" is just easier to say, and most folks now what you mean in context.  I make some effort to use the term preferred by some group, but I personally don't care.


Theres overs 4 million Indian Americans in the US

Just how and when did they vote to decide what they want to be called?

Show me the source of that decision.

Its the Atlanta  Braves not the Atlanta Native Americans
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on March 05, 2024, 09:23:32 AM
Just like it's the Cleveland India......oh wait a second. 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 05, 2024, 09:41:59 AM
Just like it's the Cleveland India......oh wait a second.
Its Indiana not NativeAmericana
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Post by: LittlePig on March 05, 2024, 09:53:53 AM
Theres overs 4 million Indian Americans in the US

Just how and when did they vote to decide what they want to be called?

Show me the source of that decision.

Its the Atlanta  Braves not the Atlanta Native Americans
OK, I can admit sometimes I can come across as an arrogant know it all, so I apologize for these next couple of comments

Well, see there is also this country that exists that we like to call India, whose immigrants would also like to lay claim to the Indian American name.

If you are going to give a name to a people,  it might help if you do not mistake them for people from half way around the world.

OK now that out of the way,  I have to admit the Cleveland Guardians and Washington Commanders names have grown on me.  Neither one was my favorite choice when the made the name change,  but part the process is just getting used to the name that they chose. 
Washington especially seems to be slow itself to embrace its new name.  Putting a generic W on its helmet for now.  But I have a hunch it could all be part of a long term marketing strategy.  Give fans about 5-10 years to get used to the new name,  then change the team colors to look more like a Naval Commander Uniform and change the helmet to a classic Navy ship or something like that. I could be wrong.  We will see.

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 05, 2024, 10:12:45 AM
how did the country India get it's name

from the British?
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2024, 10:29:59 AM
The name "India" is originally derived from the name of the river Sindhu (Indus River) and has been in use in Greek since Herodotus (5th century BCE). The term appeared in Old English as early as the 9th century and reemerged in Modern English in the 17th century. "Hindūstān" is a third name for the Republic of India.
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2024, 10:30:26 AM


Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2024, 10:31:17 AM
The river's conventional name derives from the Tibetan and Sanskrit name Sindhu. The earliest chronicles and hymns of the Indo-European-speaking peoples of ancient India, the Rigveda, composed about 1500 bce, mention the river, which is the source of the country's name.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 05, 2024, 11:02:14 AM
"Indians" is just easier to say, and most folks now what you mean in context.  I make some effort to use the term preferred by some group, but I personally don't care.
Yeah. That's called respect. 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on March 05, 2024, 11:08:05 AM
I don't overly like being called "white" and I don't have any particular affinity to Angles, Saxons, or the Caucasus mountains.

Yet here we are.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 05, 2024, 11:16:34 AM
OK, I can admit sometimes I can come across as an arrogant know it all, so I apologize for these next couple of comments

Well, see there is also this country that exists that we like to call India, whose immigrants would also like to lay claim to the Indian American name.

If you are going to give a name to a people,  it might help if you do not mistake them for people from half way around the world.

OK now that out of the way,  I have to admit the Cleveland Guardians and Washington Commanders names have grown on me.  Neither one was my favorite choice when the made the name change,  but part the process is just getting used to the name that they chose. 
Washington especially seems to be slow itself to embrace its new name.  Putting a generic W on its helmet for now.  But I have a hunch it could all be part of a long term marketing strategy.  Give fans about 5-10 years to get used to the new name,  then change the team colors to look more like a Naval Commander Uniform and change the helmet to a classic Navy ship or something like that. I could be wrong.  We will see.


I didnt give the name Indian to anyone

The American people did this over 300 years ago

and just who decided to change it

nobody knows
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2024, 11:18:11 AM
There is no "who" trying to change the term, there are a lot of folks who think it should be more accurately employed.  Fine with me, whatever.

I figure all this name changing surely is going to eliminate racism etc.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 05, 2024, 11:18:29 AM
I don't overly like being called "white" and I don't have any particular affinity to Angles, Saxons, or the Caucasus mountains.

Yet here we are.
you need to contact that mysterious person who just decides these things
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 05, 2024, 11:20:08 AM
There is no "who" trying to change the term, there are a lot of folks who think it should be more accurately employed.  Fine with me, whatever.

I figure all this name changing surely is going to eliminate racism etc.
but my point is who has been appointed to decide to change names of something
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2024, 11:23:12 AM
Obviously, no one was appointed, and if so, it would beg the question who was appointed to appoint them.  It's "Society", in part, and I think some Indian tribes wanted some publicity.  The government still calls them Indians.

Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) | Indian Affairs (https://www.bia.gov/bia#:~:text=For years thereafter%2C the Bureau,agency on September 17%2C 1947.)

The Bureau of Indian Affairs’ mission is to enhance the quality of life, to promote economic opportunity, and to carry out the responsibility to protect and improve the trust assets of American Indians, Indian tribes and Alaska Natives.
History of BIA
Since its inception in 1824, the Bureau of Indian Affairs has been both a witness to and a principal player in the relationship between the Federal Government and Indian tribes and Alaska Native villages. The BIA has changed dramatically over the past 185 years, evolving as Federal policies designed to subjugate and assimilate American Indians and Alaska Natives have changed to policies that promote Indian self-determination.


Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 05, 2024, 11:23:25 AM
Yeah. That's called respect.

If the Indians in this country had some big convention and voted to use a certain name then no problem I would respect that

instead one day somebody just decides this with no real authority
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2024, 11:27:35 AM
Society, over time, decides terms and usage.  This isn't something new.  Language evolution.

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 05, 2024, 11:30:15 AM
Society, over time, decides terms and usage.  This isn't something new.  Language evolution.


well we need to tell society were still using this word so go change something else
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2024, 11:31:45 AM
Go right ahead.  It's not a big deal to me at all.  When I was a kid, we called gay people "homos" or worse, someone came up with "gay".  I didn't and don't care.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 05, 2024, 11:36:41 AM
but my point is who has been appointed to decide to change names of something
If the Indians in this country had some big convention and voted to use a certain name then no problem I would respect that

instead one day somebody just decides this with no real authority
It's called an emergent phenomenon. Social change isn't always "decided" by anyone--things change and we all just sort of adjust. 

I, for one, don't want to live in a totalitarian state where all use of language and naming is tightly decided by some central authority. That would be doubleplus ungood, I'd say. 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 05, 2024, 11:47:39 AM
It's called an emergent phenomenon. Social change isn't always "decided" by anyone--things change and we all just sort of adjust.

I, for one, don't want to live in a totalitarian state where all use of language and naming is tightly decided by some central authority. That would be doubleplus ungood, I'd say.
not saying the gov should control language

just that all of a sudden one day its unacceptable to use a certain word but no one really knows who decided or why
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 05, 2024, 11:53:47 AM
not saying the gov should control language

just that all of a sudden one day its unacceptable to use a certain word but no one really knows who decided or why
Well, I'm pretty sure "Indian" has been out of favor for at least a couple of decades now. 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 05, 2024, 12:16:40 PM
Well, I'm pretty sure "Indian" has been out of favor for at least a couple of decades now.

and yet nobody knows who decided this

out of favor with who?

folks on an Academy Awards show?
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 05, 2024, 12:26:03 PM
Society, over time, decides terms and usage.  This isn't something new.  Language evolution.


Yes, as old folks like longhorn320 die off so does that old terminology. 
Evolution 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 05, 2024, 12:41:20 PM
Yes, as old folks like longhorn320 die off so does that old terminology.
Evolution
right you are now a a butt hole but soon after my passing you will be poo poo head
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 05, 2024, 01:09:15 PM
and yet nobody knows who decided this

out of favor with who?

folks on an Academy Awards show?
People in this thread keep using the term "evolving" about changes in language. Evolution is not a top down process decided upon by a committee. Evolution just sorta happens. Some people maybe deliberately wanted the change and attempted to start using it, but they couldn't "decide" that everyone else change; if people didn't like it they wouldn't use it. But it seemed to resonate with enough people that it caught on. And then the result is that people using the old term stick out as oddities and outliers. 

It's kinda like slang. It starts with the "cool" people to signify their "coolness", expands to the "squares" and starts to lose its "cool", and by the time the old people and/or politicians have caught on, it's become cringey. 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2024, 01:20:30 PM
Most of us adhere to at least many social "norms".  These aren't decided by some official body of course.  We put the fork on the left in a place setting.  I used to put it on the right because I'm right handed.  We don't chew with our mouths open.  We don't use certain words in "polite company".  We take our hate off at the table.  We face forward in an elevator.  

It goes on and on, just a means of playing well with others.  The penalty of noncompliance can be not being invited over any more, which for some no doubt is no penalty at all.  I personally find it easier to "get along" in life by complying with most such norms.  

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on March 05, 2024, 01:35:51 PM
Well, I'm pretty sure "Indian" has been out of favor for at least a couple of decades now.

Not where I live. 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on March 05, 2024, 02:57:54 PM
This is the Movies Thread take it to other news thread or FF's/CD's/Bwarb's inbox - thank you for your support
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 05, 2024, 11:18:46 PM
Most of us adhere to at least many social "norms".  These aren't decided by some official body of course.  We put the fork on the left in a place setting.  I used to put it on the right because I'm right handed.  We don't chew with our mouths open.  We don't use certain words in "polite company".  We take our hate off at the table.  We face forward in an elevator. 

It goes on and on, just a means of playing well with others.  The penalty of noncompliance can be not being invited over any more, which for some no doubt is no penalty at all.  I personally find it easier to "get along" in life by complying with most such norms. 


don't piss into the wind
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 06, 2024, 06:23:10 AM
"The Big Sleep" was, to me, a good movie, but I got lost in the plot, too many characters.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 07, 2024, 08:37:59 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/IE8Pac5.png)

This one is more a forgotten movie than underappreciated.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 07, 2024, 09:54:33 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/IE8Pac5.png)

This one is more a forgotten movie than underappreciated.
you want to give us a clue?
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 07, 2024, 10:29:28 AM
I will around 12 o'clock if I'm not high.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 07, 2024, 12:04:37 PM
I will around 12 o'clock if I'm not high.
when are you posting pics of The Guns of Navarone
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2024, 09:19:17 PM
James Coburn (August 31, 1928 - November 18, 2002) and Lois Nettleton (August 16, 1927 - January 18, 2008) in The Honkers (1972).

(https://i.imgur.com/BqGME4s.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2024, 08:11:06 AM
Released March 12, 1971, The Andromeda Strain is an American science fiction film based on the 1969 novel by Michael Crichton. Produced and directed by Robert Wise, it stars Arthur Hill, James Olson, Kate Reid, and David Wayne, with special effects by Douglas Trumbull.

(https://i.imgur.com/BBQ8L29.jpeg)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2024, 07:58:57 PM
The Golden Voyage of Sinbad (1973) - Sinbad and his crew intercept a mysterious flying creature carrying a golden tablet. Koura, the creator of the creature and practitioner of evil magic, wants the tablet back and pursues Sinbad. Meanwhile Sinbad meets the Vizier who has another part of the interlocking golden map, and they mount a quest across the seas to solve the riddle of the map, accompanied by a beautiful slave girl (Caroline Munro) with a mysterious tattoo of an eye on her palm. They encounter strange beasts, tempests, and the dark interference of Koura along the way.

Watch the movie here: https://amzn.to/3x9ABgp


(https://i.imgur.com/qEqk2JQ.jpeg)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 24, 2024, 02:27:26 PM
“Soylent Green” - 1973. There's the kindness of Charlton Heston to Edward G Robinson.
One of the original tough guys Edward G Robinson was the star of films like “Little Ceasar” - 1931.
“Double Indemnity” - 1944, “The Stranger” - 1946, “Key Largo” - 1948, Soylent Green, etc. Robinson is a Hollywood Legend.
At the beginning of filming for the movie “Soylent Green”, which would be Robinson's last film, it was discovered that Edward had cancer. The filmmakers would shoot Robinson's scenes first.
During that shooting, everyday that Edward was on set, Charlton Heston had various wines and cheeses flown in from all over the world. When making movies, the actors and crew end up sitting around a lot of the time waiting for the cameras to get set up and moved for different takes. During that time Heston and Robinson delighted in the wines and cheeses. Heston ensured Edward's days of filming his last movie were both as comfortable and pleasant as possible.
Robinson died at the age of 79 on January 26, 1973, four months before the release of “Soylent Green” in May of 1973.

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2024, 05:48:54 AM
Tremors
If there was ever to be a B-movie creature feature-classic, it would be Tremors. Set in a small town essentially in the middle of nowhere, Val (Kevin Bacon) and Earl (Fred Ward) become unlikely heroes in a war against massive worm-like monsters who erupt from the ground to kill and cause wanton destruction.
Tremors isn't all just about the carnage though. The film is way funnier than it has any right to be, is quirky in all the best ways, and has aged well because it relied heavily on practical effects, which has managed to hold up pretty well even today. All the characters are also likable, with Bacon and Ward in particular clearly having an absolute blast with the material.
While the film wasn't a box-office success, it did manage to spawn a number of sequels and even a TV show, none of which managed to match up to the original. Tremors is a ton of fun, with charming characters, and exciting action as members of a small town rise to the occasion and become heroes.



I watched about five minutes way on back and turned it off.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2024, 07:24:56 AM
Do real lawyers cringe at the inaccuracies in lawyer/courtroom drama shows and movies, or do they just see it as "Hollywood" entertainment?
As an attorney and a huge film buff, I mainly just see legal inaccuracies in films as Hollywood misunderstandings of what attorneys and judges do for a living. But then I can always turn around and watch My Cousin Vinny, and have my faith in Hollywood, screenwriters, actors and directors restored.
(Expert witness testimony should not make for a humorous scene. My Cousin Vinny, though, takes it from start to finish and milks it for every bit of drama and comedy. I love Fred Gwynne’s face here, too, because he’s simply so blown away by the quality of Vinny’s examination and the testimony.)
My Cousin Vinny, other than being an amazing comedy, is just that accurate as to what criminal trial practice actually looks like. And lawyers universally agree, if you want to see a good depiction of what litigators do for a living, it really is the best game in town.
Yes, it greatly compresses the time scale of events from arrest to trial: felonies, let alone murder charges, often take a year, if not far longer, to go to trial, but that’s pretty much the only inaccuracy in the film.
(Vinny Gambini, multiple bar failures or not, would be one Hell of a criminal defense attorney in real life.)
The crazy thing, of course, is that trial practice is quite dry and boring. Testimony by expert witnesses, effective objections, and conducting competent direct and cross examination, and impugning eyewitness testimony, all of which this film is stunningly good at accurately presenting are not all that fun to watch, or dramatic, in the best of circumstances. The writer, director and actors here, though, make it a joy to watch, going through all the correct motions with grace, wit and drama.
It really is amazingly good.

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2024, 12:48:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bovqpQI.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2024, 07:55:37 AM
I flipped over to Amazon last night and noticed "Road House" was up, for free(ish).  So, I watched to the end, it was a chore.

I thought from the ads it might be a decent movie, it wasn't.  It was so disjointed in plot I could hardly figure who was "good" or "bad", the whole theme kept bouncing around.  I guess if you enjoy fake fight scenes, it would be "OK".

On the whole, it was another bad movie, not atrociously terrible, but just bad.

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2024, 08:05:41 AM
I should note in full disclosure that I apparently have some weird tastes in entertainment, weird in the sense they can be unpopular opinions.  I am reminded of this because my FB feed filled up with ads for "Hamilton", which as noted earlier, I despised.  My wife claims "Out of Africa" was a great movie, not good, but great.  I hated it, as in one of the worst movies I've ever sat through.  

The movies on my "great" list are pretty much viewed as either great by most folks, or at least entertaining.  But some entertainment items I really disliked are broadly acclaimed.

I wanted to talk out of Hamilton after ten minutes, but we were there with my daughter who was visiting and I didn't want to spoil it for her and my wife.  I'm reminded of that "3 star" restaurant in Marseille we dined at that I HATED.  I didn't just find it "not really aligned with my tastes", but HATED.  
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on March 27, 2024, 08:25:52 AM
Do real lawyers cringe at the inaccuracies in lawyer/courtroom drama shows and movies, or do they just see it as "Hollywood" entertainment?
As an attorney and a huge film buff, I mainly just see legal inaccuracies in films as Hollywood misunderstandings of what attorneys and judges do for a living. 
Huh? Wha.... I thought you were a chemist with Proctor & Gamble whipping up colorings and aromatics. Didn't know you were an Esquire too
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2024, 08:27:32 AM
That was the writings of someone else of course.  My son is a lawyer, and I've stayed at HI Expresses a few times.

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MaximumSam on March 27, 2024, 08:44:35 AM

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Do real lawyers cringe at the inaccuracies in lawyer/courtroom drama shows and movies, or do they just see it as "Hollywood" entertainment?
A bit, but it's not like they get other things right. I would say that working in criminal law gave me a great appreciation for A Few Good Men. Having a deadbang loser of a case, a sweetheart plea deal, and an unreasonable client who won't accept anything hit me right in the heart. Also, most criminal law type shows and movies are too serious. They don't capture how funny it is - Better Call Saul got that right.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on March 27, 2024, 08:47:29 AM
That was the writings of someone else of course.  My son is a lawyer, and I've stayed at HI Expresses a few times.


Otter:
Point of parliamentary procedure!

Hoover:
Don't screw around, they're serious this time!

Otter:
Take it easy, I'm pre-law.

Boon:
I thought you were pre-med.

Otter:
What's the difference?
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2024, 08:50:35 AM
There is no such thing as "conduct unbecoming a Marine" under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The closest thing to it is what is known as "Article 133" (Conduct Unbecoming) which could carry 'dismissal' as a possible punishment, since it's only applicable to Officers (Bad Conduct and Dishonorable discharges only apply to enlisted personnel).

As ENLISTED personnel what the third charge SHOULD have been was Article 128 - Assault Consummated by Battery, which carries a custodial sentence usually followed by a Bad Conduct Discharge.

Most cases of "Dishonorable Discharge" heard about in media (papers, TV, Movies) are actually Bad Conduct discharges, since the only charges that carry a dishonorable discharge are the most serious ones (Attempted Murder, Murder, Sexual Assault, Desertion, and Treason)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2024, 08:51:31 AM
My wife really likes that movie, along with "An Officer and a Gentleman".

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on March 27, 2024, 08:53:33 AM
I like historically accurate military flicks like STRIPES
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2024, 09:12:37 AM
Airways 747(call sign Speedbird 206)
Speedbird 206: " Frankfurt , Speedbird 206 clear of active runway."
Ground: "Speedbird 206 Taxi to gate Via Bravo toAlpha One-Seven."
The BA 747 pulled onto the wrong taxiway and immediatly slowed to a stop.
Ground: "Speedbird, do you not know where you are going?"
Speedbird 206: "Stand by, Ground, I'm looking up our gate location now."
Ground (with quite arrogant impatience):
"Speedbird 206, have you not been to Frankfurt before?"
Speedbird 206 (after a brief pause...): "Yes, twice in 1944, but it was dark, -- and I didn't land."


Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on March 27, 2024, 09:26:37 AM
HA! reminded me of a story told about some adult children that wanted to gift their parents a vacation trip to Europe for like their 40th Anniversery. The old man said "Na,I've already been to Europe". To which a son or sin-in-law quipped "Yes but that was in '44 and behind a tank"
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2024, 09:29:59 AM
There was another story about an old timer going through immigration in Paris who couldn't find his passport right away.  The impatient official said "Sir, haven't you been to France before so you'd know to have your passport out and ready?"

"Yes, I've been here before, but nobody was interested in my passport at the time and I only saw Germans."

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2024, 09:06:27 AM
John Wayne with John Bradley, one of the men who raised the flag at the real battle of Iwo Jima. Bradley played himself in the film, along with Ira Hayes and Rene Gagnon

(https://i.imgur.com/dwtELEp.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 30, 2024, 01:21:33 PM
So I watched the RoadHouse remake on Prime last night....

aside from some cliches and the way Conor McGregor walks, they did a good job of not forcibly recreating the original.  It's its own thing.

A lot of fighting, different backstory, etc.  It was fun.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on March 30, 2024, 03:03:54 PM
Yup, it was entertaining, which is all I needed it to be.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2024, 11:10:41 PM
Hollywood Knights

(https://i.imgur.com/SFSklVr.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on March 31, 2024, 10:38:44 AM
Stakeout from 1987 is very funny

It stars Richard Dreyfuss  and Emilo Esteves and is a hoot


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gYyq6aQdZ0
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: CatsbyAZ on April 01, 2024, 10:32:00 AM
So I watched the RoadHouse remake on Prime last night....

aside from some cliches and the way Conor McGregor walks, they did a good job of not forcibly recreating the original.  It's its own thing.

A lot of fighting, different backstory, etc.  It was fun.

Was it "woke" af?

I keep hearing that everything Hollywood, Budweiser, Boeing, and Pfizer remakes/reboots are "woke" af.

Funny enough when I went over to my brother's Easter BBQ over the weekend, he had the original Roadhouse on his flat screen. Never seen it before. Definitely feels like a product of its time. Definitely proud of what it is - a shallow story with lots of meathead moments. Setting is Missouri but with all the coastal mountains in the background it's so obviously filmed in California. Refreshing to see a film unapologetically targeting a working class American audience rather than getting smoothed over and ironed out for international audiences.

(https://i.imgur.com/IGqHuBr.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on April 02, 2024, 09:05:04 AM
In June of 1971, with an estimated budget of $7.6 million and another $2 million spent on promotion, Le Mans was released. Behind the scenes, the film had cost McQueen even more: his marriage, his production company, and many friendships. The film failed to earn back its cost, having gone close to $1.6 million over-budget, and McQueen didn’t attend the premiere.

Despite this, Le Mans became a cult film over time. McQueen had wanted to make more of a documentary than a traditional Hollywood blockbuster; with its meticulous attention on the race and the cars, rather than the drivers and drama, Le Mans is one of the most exciting and realistic racing movies ever made – the ultimate racing movie.

(https://i.imgur.com/s0tkUY0.jpeg)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on April 02, 2024, 09:20:08 AM
The Road House remake, to me, was disjointed, confused, lack any coherent plot, and in general suffered from poor writing.  I'd maybe give it a D, probably not.

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2024, 09:32:26 AM
Do real lawyers cringe at the inaccuracies in lawyer/courtroom drama shows and movies, or do they just see it as "Hollywood" entertainment?

There are inaccuracies and incorrect tropes in just about any aspect of a movie.  As an electrical engineer/computer programmer, I see them all the time, and just have to laugh.  I'm not talking about Science Fiction, I'm always willing to give a lot of leeway in those areas, but more like everyday science/engineering/computer/digital stuff that is just so wrong.

A favorite example occurs in police/military shows where they're watching video from a random security cam, and then the captain/major/general or whoever's in charge says something like, "wait, back up, and enhance.  Enhance.  ENHANCE!!!"

And then all of a sudden, taken from this super-low-resolution, grainy, distant screen still, they produce a perfect high-res rendering of the suspect.  


(https://i.imgur.com/9NnSTju.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2024, 09:33:35 AM
The Road House remake, to me, was disjointed, confused, lack any coherent plot, and in general suffered from poor writing.  I'd maybe give it a D, probably not.



So, pretty much just like the original.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on April 02, 2024, 09:34:52 AM
one of the reasons I don't watch movies

lazy in my opinion
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 02, 2024, 10:09:14 AM
There are inaccuracies and incorrect tropes in just about any aspect of a movie.  As an electrical engineer/computer programmer, I see them all the time, and just have to laugh.  I'm not talking about Science Fiction, I'm always willing to give a lot of leeway in those areas, but more like everyday science/engineering/computer/digital stuff that is just so wrong.

A favorite example occurs in police/military shows where they're watching video from a random security cam, and then the captain/major/general or whoever's in charge says something like, "wait, back up, and enhance.  Enhance.  ENHANCE!!!"

And then all of a sudden, taken from this super-low-resolution, grainy, distant screen still, they produce a perfect high-res rendering of the suspect. 


(https://i.imgur.com/9NnSTju.png)
That's how this works now! We have generative AI to enhance video. Trained on the most photographed people in history...

...which is how Taylor Swift will be arraigned for murder when AI "enhances" her face into the video. 
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2024, 10:11:46 AM
That's how this works now! We have generative AI to enhance video. Trained on the most photographed people in history...

...which is how Taylor Swift will be arraigned for murder when AI "enhances" her face into the video.
Ha, good point.

Someday soon, all famous people will be locked up for crimes they didn't commit.  We all thought SkyNet was going to nuke us, but in reality, it's just going to punish us and take away our toys.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on April 02, 2024, 11:16:42 AM
The original RH was far far far better than the remake, in my opinion.  
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on April 02, 2024, 11:31:53 AM
The original RH was far far far better than the remake, in my opinion. 
I agree
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on April 16, 2024, 09:56:52 PM
Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954) - The movie became a classic horror film notable for its iconic monster, the Gill-man. The creature's design was ahead of its time. The suit worn by the water stunt actor, Ricou Browning, allowed for impressive underwater movement, adding to the film's eerie atmosphere.

Despite being a man in a suit, the creature's portrayal evoked both fear and sympathy, contributing to its lasting impact on popular culture and the horror genre.

(https://i.imgur.com/yDQaLkV.jpeg)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on April 17, 2024, 08:33:20 AM
one of the reasons I don't watch movies

lazy in my opinion
Oh I watch them - usually a decade or more after they come out.But at the speed our culture is speeding ahead......or backwards I can't keep up with any of it especially cinema.Seems like you always have to pay for it one way or another

FF - Is that you on the course looking for your Titleist in a water hazard and finding the ball cart chic instead?
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2024, 08:44:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/vGtklIv.png)

Not really under appreciated of course.  Eddie Murphy made some superb movies, and a few bad ones.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2024, 02:26:47 PM
Adam West agreed to do the film "Batman" (1966) partly with a stipulation to have more screen time as Bruce Wayne than he did on the television show. Reportedly, being told by producers that without his involvement in the film, the part of Batman/Bruce Wayne would be recast had a little something to do with it, too.

Producers were unhappy with the sound made when Batman was hitting the rubber shark in one scene in the film. West said he told them the sound doesn't matter because the shark looked so fake anyway.

West claimed he had to run around with the prop bomb for five hours to film the scene where Batman has to get rid of a smoking bomb. "It's a good thing I was a jock, or I don't know if I would have been able to do it," he added.

Originally planned as the pilot film for the TV series, the movie was instead produced between the show's first and second seasons. The producers took advantage of the larger budget to have a number of new Bat-gadgets constructed, such as the BatBoat.

As part of the promotion for the film, West and Burt Ward were sent to New York City on a bus to make appearances at various theaters. Ward noted they were supposed to hit 36 theaters, but, due to the popularity of the show and being mobbed by fans, they only made it to 33. At one point, fans even tried tipping over the bus. West would exit the bus first and quickly race through fans, but Ward was stuck picking up the rear. He was subsequently drowned in fans. West remembers it as a fun football play.


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Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on April 18, 2024, 03:02:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/AJPe0gF.jpeg)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on April 18, 2024, 03:40:29 PM
Adam West agreed to do the film "Batman" (1966) partly with a stipulation to have more screen time as Bruce Wayne than he did on the television show. Reportedly, being told by producers that without his involvement in the film, the part of Batman/Bruce Wayne would be recast had a little something to do with it, too.

Producers were unhappy with the sound made when Batman was hitting the rubber shark in one scene in the film. West said he told them the sound doesn't matter because the shark looked so fake anyway.

West claimed he had to run around with the prop bomb for five hours to film the scene where Batman has to get rid of a smoking bomb. "It's a good thing I was a jock, or I don't know if I would have been able to do it," he added.

Originally planned as the pilot film for the TV series, the movie was instead produced between the show's first and second seasons. The producers took advantage of the larger budget to have a number of new Bat-gadgets constructed, such as the BatBoat.

As part of the promotion for the film, West and Burt Ward were sent to New York City on a bus to make appearances at various theaters. Ward noted they were supposed to hit 36 theaters, but, due to the popularity of the show and being mobbed by fans, they only made it to 33. At one point, fans even tried tipping over the bus. West would exit the bus first and quickly race through fans, but Ward was stuck picking up the rear. He was subsequently drowned in fans. West remembers it as a fun football play.


(https://i.imgur.com/6YbbEMZ.png)
The film's first premier was actually right here in Austin, Texas.  It was a condition from local Austin boat manufacturing company "Glastron Boats" who built the bat boat for FREE, with only the stipulation that the film premier in Austin.

https://www.kut.org/austin/2016-03-23/before-batman-was-broody-austin-hosted-the-heros-first-film-premiere

Here's a pic of the Batboat on Austin's Town Lake, accompanying the film's premier and press junket.

(https://i.imgur.com/7p6Tc78.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2024, 10:53:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/iVVneCb.png)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: jgvol on April 19, 2024, 11:38:44 AM
Just saw this for the first time the other night.  A pretty good watch.


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Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 20, 2024, 01:02:37 AM
The Dude can sing, man.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on April 20, 2024, 03:02:31 PM
Dudley Moore was said to have based his performance in "Arthur" (1981) partly on Peter Cook, whose excessive drinking had soured his and Moore's comedic partnership in the 1970s.

Moore kept cracking up the cast and crew, so much so, that twenty-seven takes were needed to get one scene filmed at one point. Reportedly, when Moore was doing the mansion moose head sequence, a lighting technician laughed so much, that he fell off his ladder.

After shooting the scene where Arthur gets beaten up by his would-be father-in-law, Moore was still wearing his tattered costume and bloody make-up when he turned to his then-girlfriend Susan Anton (who was nearly eight and a half inches taller than him) in a Waldorf-Astoria elevator and said, "Susan, I told you I'd be home, why wouldn't you believe me?" The other elevator passengers were aghast.

Apparently, writer and director Steve Gordon had originally wanted to cast George Segal in the lead role of Arthur. After the box-office success of "10" (1979) however, Moore replaced Segal. This movie was actually the second time that Moore replaced Segal. Segal was originally cast in the lead role in "10," but Segal apparently walked off the set shortly after filming began. Reportedly, this was rumored because Julie Andrews' role had been built up. Apparently, after "10" had been released, Segal, when once asked if he had seen the movie, allegedly replied with a finger gesture.

Moore claimed he preferred "Arthur 2: On the Rocks" (1988, below) to the original because his character was forced to grow up and mature. The sequel's screenwriter, Andy Breckman, was allegedly disappointed by the movie and went to his hometown theater just to hang around and apologize to the people who went to see it.


(https://i.imgur.com/6Y4lEsY.jpeg)
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2024, 09:53:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/lyU7fYS.png)

This one was great.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2024, 10:35:18 AM
Arthur was widely enjoyed and at least somewhat revered.  I don't consider it underappreciated.  Audiences now probably wouldn't connect with it for obvious reasons, but I still love it.  One of the most quotable movies of all time.

Arthur 2 was a piece of shit.  Nobody wanted to see growth and maturity from Arthur's character.

Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2024, 11:39:09 AM
https://youtu.be/FOFalL9ShD4
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2024, 03:38:07 PM
(CNN) – Star Wars fans are breaking out the lightsabers ahead of May the Fourth, also known as National Star Wars Day.

Kemps brand dairy is also getting ready to celebrate by offering blue milk, the iconic drink that was first introduced in “Star Wars: A New Hope.”

The milk jugs will feature labels with the characters Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader.

In a post about the milk, the dairy said it will be available for a limited time.


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Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on April 22, 2024, 03:48:03 PM
wrong thread
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2024, 03:52:26 PM
we have a star wars thread?
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on April 22, 2024, 04:06:10 PM
we have a star wars thread?
nope but get creative
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2024, 04:21:33 PM
well, I never appreciated Star Wars much.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on April 22, 2024, 04:47:17 PM
well, I never appreciated Star Wars much.
Thats just because your brain is frozen from all those Iowa winters
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2024, 05:12:11 PM
Thats just because your brain is frozen from all those Iowa winters
He drinks way too much antifreeze to have brain freeze.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2024, 05:16:44 PM
"The Deer Hunter" (1978): A Haunting Masterpiece on the Scars of War - "The Deer Hunter," released in 1978, stands as a monumental achievement in American cinema. Directed by Michael Cimino, this epic war drama intricately details the harrowing impact of the Vietnam War on the lives of three Slavic-American steelworkers. This film not only challenges the norms of the war movie genre but also delves deeply into the personal and societal upheavals faced by those it portrays.

The story is rooted in Clairton, Pennsylvania, a quintessential working-class town along the Monongahela River. Here, life is simple, and the community is tight-knit. The early scenes of the film are imbued with a sense of camaraderie and local culture, encapsulating the serene pre-war lives of the main characters. Michael Cimino uses this peaceful setting as a stark juxtaposition to the chaotic backdrop of war that follows, effectively setting the emotional tone of the film.

As the narrative unfolds, viewers are transported from the steel mills of Pennsylvania to the unpredictable dangers of Vietnam. The transition is not just a change of setting, but a profound transformation in the lives of the three friends - Mike Vronsky (Robert De Niro), Steven Pushkov (John Savage), and Nick Chevotarevich (Christopher Walken). Their journey into the heart of darkness is marked by a dramatic shift from their laborious yet predictable daily routines to the brutal realities of war.

Central to the film's narrative is the controversial game of Russian roulette. The inclusion of Russian roulette as a recurring motif in the movie has been a subject of debate regarding its historical accuracy. However, its symbolic presence in the film is undeniable. It represents the cruel randomness of war and the psychological torment faced by soldiers. This stark metaphor serves to heighten the tension and highlight the stark contrasts between moments of calm and periods of intense conflict.

"The Deer Hunter" was fraught with challenges during its production. Originally based on a screenplay about Las Vegas gamblers, the concept underwent significant revisions to incorporate the theme of Russian roulette within the Vietnam War. This change not only amplified the dramatic intensity of the film but also embedded a deeper narrative complexity.

The production of the film was notoriously difficult, going significantly over-budget and over-schedule. Yet, these challenges contributed to the film’s depth and authenticity, capturing the gritty realities of war and its aftermath on a personal level. This authenticity was bolstered by the director's insistence on shooting in real locations and using a cast that embodied the characters’ physical and emotional demands.

Upon its release, "The Deer Hunter" received critical acclaim for its powerful direction, compelling performances, and its unflinching portrayal of war's impact on human relationships. The film grossed $49 million at the box office and secured five Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Director. However, it also faced criticism for its portrayal of the Vietnamese and the use of Russian roulette, which some claimed lacked historical basis.

Despite these controversies, "The Deer Hunter" has been recognized for its artistic merits and its profound reflection on the themes of friendship, loss, and the random brutality of war. It has been included in the United States National Film Registry, being cited as "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant."

Today, "The Deer Hunter" remains a significant reference point for discussions about cinematic portrayals of war. It is studied for its narrative structure, character development, and its impact on audience perceptions of historical events. The film’s ability to convey deep personal loss and existential despair continues to resonate with audiences, making it a perennial subject in discussions of film and history.

"The Deer Hunter" challenges viewers to confront uncomfortable truths about the nature of conflict and the human condition. Its portrayal of the transformation of ordinary Americans into soldiers, and the scars they carry home, serves as a powerful reminder of the personal costs of war. As we reflect on this film, it compels us to consider how war reshapes identities, friendships, and communities.

This in-depth exploration aims to provide a clearer understanding of why "The Deer Hunter" is considered a landmark in cinematic history. It invites us to revisit the film not just as a source of entertainment but as a profound commentary on the impact of war on the human spirit.


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Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2024, 05:20:12 PM
I will probably buy and try the Blue Milk.  

But I'm a total Star Wars geek, so no surprise there.
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 22, 2024, 11:25:27 PM
I will probably buy and try the Blue Milk. 

But I'm a total Star Wars geek, so no surprise there.
Just buy some Lucky Charms and only eat the warm-colored marshmallows.  Blue milk!
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2024, 11:38:30 AM
As a teenager, Jacob Cohen started in stand-up comedy and changed his name to Jack Roy. After nine years, he quit show business. When he returned in 1962, he wanted to change his name to distance himself from his previous failure. A club owner gave him the name of "Rodney Dangerfield" after Ricky Nelson used the name in an episode of "The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet." But Jack Roy remained his legal name for the rest of his life. One night, he saw an older, low-level gangster complaining about how young people gave him "no respect, no respect at all," and he never forgot it.

"I had this joke: 'I played hide and seek; they wouldn't even look for me.' To make it work better, you look for something to put in front of it: 'I was so poor, I was so dumb,' so this, so that. I thought, '"Now what fits that joke?'" Well, 'No one liked me' was all right. But then I thought, 'A more profound thing would be, 'I get no respect!'"

According to Chris Nashawaty's book "Caddyshack," Dangerfield was so unaccustomed to how films were made, Harold Ramis had to gently guide him through the 1980 film to make sure he was comfortable. The first scene Dangerfield was in, the pro shop scene, was ready to go and Ramis called "Action." Nothing happened. Dangerfield just stood there. Ramis asked him if there was a problem. Was he ready? "Sure," Dangerfield said. Ramis called "Action" again. Again, nothing. Ramis walked over to him and said "Rodney, when I call 'Action,' that's your cue to come in and do the scene." "You mean, do my bit?" "Yes, do your bit." Ramis called "Action" for a third time. Silence. He then said "OK, Rodney, now do your bit." Dangerfield pounced into the room and delivered a perfect take, even improvising the line about getting a free bowl of soup. From then on, whenever Dangerfield was in a scene, Ramis never said "Action." He just said, "OK, Rodney, do your bit."

The noises that the gopher makes in the film are actually vocalized by a dolphin, and the dolphin sound effects used are the same ones that were used for Flipper on the TV show of the same name.


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Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on April 27, 2024, 11:58:12 AM
He drinks way too much antifreeze to have brain freeze.
Brain farts perhaps never brain freeze
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: MrNubbz on April 27, 2024, 12:19:14 PM
He then said "OK, Rodney, now do your bit." Dangerfield pounced into the room and delivered a perfect take, even improvising the line about getting a free bowl of soup. From then on, whenever Dangerfield was in a scene, Ramis never said "Action." He just said, "OK, Rodney, do your bit."
I still think some classic lines were delivered by Chevy Chase when he's practicing at nite before the big match with Smails. When he smacks the ball to into cover at the base of the tree and he's fumbling around trying to find it. Then comes up with a ball "Titleist ya it's mine" like it would be anyone elses. Or when he drills the ball into Karl's maintenance shack and finds it in his take out of fried chicken and asks - "can I have a ruling on this" damn things were a blast back then
Title: Re: OT - Underappreciated Movies
Post by: longhorn320 on April 27, 2024, 03:23:01 PM
one of my favorite RD lines:

I went to a bar the other night.  They told me I had to leave......it was happy hour.