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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on December 16, 2022, 11:51:54 PM
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These lower their bowl games may actually be better. Less NFL talent opting out, and nobody disappointed to be there. Hell, if a kid blows up, and has eligibility left, he may use it to go in the portal to get a P5 offer
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I made the comment on another thread, that in some ways the lower-tier bowls are more like college football as it once was and arguably should be-- a game to be watched and enjoyed for what happens on the field, between the white lines, between the 60:00 and 00:00 marks on the clock.
The sport has been perverted over the decades into this constant grinding worry about recruiting, or the portal, or perception on the internet, or a dozen other things that have nothing to do with what actually happens between two teams, after kickoff, on the gridiron.
It's meaningful, because it is meaningless.
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In Vegas for the pats-raiders game on Sunday. Saw all kinds of oregon state gear on people. Figured there must be a bowl game. So Florida and Oregon state are playing in the Las Vegas bowl tomorrow. Haven't hardly seen anyone in Florida gear.
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Vegas would be a nice break from the humidity for the Floridians
and there's gambling
I enjoyed the bowl games yesterday and the Semi playoff game between the cardinals and the Bison
strange game
530 yards of offense and 4 turnovers for the Cards - Bison win
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Waking up in Las Vegas this morning. Will cross Interstate at Mandalay Bay in another hour and ticket into Las Vegas Bowl. 30 yard line seats. Gators Vs Oregon State.
Three years ago when I stayed across the street this was my view of the stadium:
(https://i.imgur.com/bknhwfQ.jpg)
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Awesome.
I thought about going to the game, but with our 4th-string QB playing and having 1 more week of work until winter break, I'll watch at home.
I'll visit my friend in Vegas over break, when I can stay longer.
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Brohm Bowl underway...
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you shoulda went
not a bad drive
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Former OSU QB Jack Miller will start for Florida today. He's stlll iffy after breaking his throwing-hand thumb at the beginning of the year. If he can't go or gets hurt, we'll have a walk-on in there.
That might be why there's not a lot of Gators gear in Vegas.
If opt-outs and transfer portal wasn't a thing, I'd be there. But honestly it just feels like a Spring jamboree game.
They might want to look at making non-playoff bowls not count in the final rankings, like back in the day.
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to hell wit dat
there's gotta be just a little bit of motivation
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@CatsbyAZ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1532) I merged your new topic with the one @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) had already started.
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to hell wit dat
there's gotta be just a little bit of motivation
Like what? It's all about the extra practices. Let the kids have fun on their trip. When your QB is doing draft prep and your 3rd CB in transferring, what's the point?
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Florida has 51 players for the Vegas Bowl.
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no one worries about the polls past #4 and soon #12, so why bother?
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Boy, I know they have a big lead, but UL's QB is just lobbing the ball down the field. 2 easy INTs for Cinci.
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Should say hi we are staying at Mandalay right now and stayed with the same view a few years ago.
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stayed there many years ago, my first trip to Vegas
It was pretty new at that time
nice place
been staying at the Wynn ever since, but haven't been to the Wynn or Vegas for 6 years
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Does Luke Fickell assemble untalented, undisciplined rosters? People are talking
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I know the Gators aren't motivated, but...
Beavers playing shutout defense in the first half!
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stayed there many years ago, my first trip to Vegas
It was pretty new at that time
nice place
been staying at the Wynn ever since, but haven't been to the Wynn or Vegas for 6 years
The Wynn made the best mojito I've ever had in my life, and I've consumed them all over the place.
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I know the Gators aren't motivated, but...
Beavers playing shutout defense in the first half!
It gives me more pleasure than it should to see Florida suck.
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I know the Gators aren't motivated, but...
Beavers playing shutout defense in the first half!
Pretty easy, against a QB that hasn't taken a snap this year.
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The Wynn made the best mojito I've ever had in my life, and I've consumed them all over the place.
probably cost more than any Mojito you've ever had
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WOOOO HOOOO! WE SCORED!!!
Hopefully everyone was busy watching the Colts shit the bed.
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It gives me more pleasure than it should to see Florida suck.
of all the Florida schools, I like seeing Miami suck the most. I respect Florida. Miami? LOL. F them.
Crazy that all 3 of the big Florida schools are hot putrid garbage and have been for awhile now.
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Bama then Clemson then UGA have basically been FL-adjacent (literally) and poached all the state's elite talent.
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Bowl game totals all under so far.
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South Dakota State taking it to Montana St in the FCS Semi
playing in Brookings, SD. current temp 5 degrees
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WOOOO HOOOO! WE SCORED!!!
Hopefully everyone was busy watching the Colts shit the bed.
I flipped back to the Viking's game with 1:55 in regulation
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Gorgeous Stadium interior, among the beat I’ve experienced right up there with the Arizona Cardinals and Indianapolis Colts home stadiums. Las Vegas Strip visible through the sun windows:
(https://i.imgur.com/aWbQVX8.jpg)
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Bama then Clemson then UGA have basically been FL-adjacent (literally) and poached all the state's elite talent.
Clemson is literally FL adjacent?
Clemson?
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Clemson is literally FL adjacent?
Clemson?
Sure, literally, you didn't know? Look at a map for crying out loud, ... oh never mind.
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Georgia is the only Florida adjacent state I’ll buy. Panhandle is basically Alabama.
And South Florida is where majority of that top end talent is and those kids are the furthest thing from country. Places like Tuscaloosa, Athens, or Baton Rouge are basically like Mars to them. South Florida is more comparable to a big east coast or Midwest city. They’d feel more at home in a large city like Columbus than some shanty little red neck college town in the Deep South.
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The five stars will travel if it's in their interest.
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Clemson is literally FL adjacent?
Clemson?
Adjacent to the adjacent. Duh.
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Georgia is the only Florida adjacent state I’ll buy. Panhandle is basically Alabama.
And South Florida is where majority of that top end talent is and those kids are the furthest thing from country. Places like Tuscaloosa, Athens, or Baton Rouge are basically like Mars to them. South Florida is more comparable to a big east coast or Midwest city. They’d feel more at home in a large city like Columbus than some shanty little red neck college town in the Deep South.
IMG Academy is in Bradenton. Bama has a pipeline there. South Florida kids go to wherever will get them to the NFL. Your urban narrative is a fantasy. Clemson, Athens, and Tuscaloosa all have girls, facilities, and red carpets to draft day.
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Why was BYU trying to look like TCU tonight?
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not sure
was annoying
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Tough loss for cincy this afternoon
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The five stars will travel if it's in their interest.
yup. Bama has been landing them forever under Saban because he's put a shitload of them into the NFL in the 1st rd. Georgia is landing them like Bama now because they're putting 5 guys into the 1st rd in one draft and playing in back to back playoffs. A&M landed them like that because? $$$$$$
Win and they will come. It's that simple really. Except if you're Jim Harbaugh lol.
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IMG Academy is in Bradenton. Bama has a pipeline there. South Florida kids go to wherever will get them to the NFL. Your urban narrative is a fantasy. Clemson, Athens, and Tuscaloosa all have girls, facilities, and red carpets to draft day.
most of the kids that go to IMG aren't even from Florida. JJ McCarthy went to IMG. He's from Illinois.
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I need to go to sleep, but instead Liberty turned the 4th quarter of a Boca Raton Bowl interesting, and now Grizzlies-Nuggets might be the most entertaining possible NBA matchup
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It's meaningful, because it is meaningless.
Your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.
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South Florida is more comparable to a big east coast or Midwest city. They’d feel more at home in a large city like Columbus than some shanty little red neck college town in the Deep South.
Keep talking/posting
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I need to go to sleep, but instead Liberty turned the 4th quarter of a Boca Raton Bowl interesting, and now Grizzlies-Nuggets might be the most entertaining possible NBA matchup
hah, I watched Liberty Biberty until the end
the most entertaining NBA matchup won't keep me from sleeping
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Falcons put a beatin on the Bears
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Falcons put a beatin on the Bears
Good eff Baylor.
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Good eff Baylor.
no conference pride. I like that. if they ain't us, F 'em. not going to fit in the SEC though. everyone has to root for everyone else there....SEC! SEC! SEC!
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Yeah... I think SEC people are going to be severely disappointed in the way I exercise my fandom.
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Air Force's win wraps the year for triple teams.
The Falcons got to 10 wins. They're 34-11 the past four seasons. It's kind of funny because Calhoun for a while was trying to escape and at times doesn't seem to be a particular evangelist for the triple. But he's there, and his defense was awesome.
Harder times elsewhere in that world. Army was fine, but not notably good. Navy was not fine, and now has a sort of pointless coaching change. Will be interested to see where they can turn for a new OC.
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god bless the services football programs
no NIL
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I need to go to sleep, but instead Liberty turned the 4th quarter of a Boca Raton Bowl interesting, and now Grizzlies-Nuggets might be the most entertaining possible NBA matchup
Similarly needed to get to bed last night but really got into Air Force’s ground domination of Baylor setting in during the second half of the Armed Forces bowl. Air Force wins 30-15 to go 10-3; Coach Troy Calhoun 121-78 in 16 seasons in Colorado Springs.
Announcers commented on how low temperatures were dropping, down to 11F, even saying this was the coldest bowl since 1958. With temperatures dropping lower across much of the rest of the nation, and the snow piling up, keeping millions of Americans home, and drinking, and in front of the TV, I’m wondering if the ratings for this game soared.
Bowls, as meaningless as they come across and for as poorly as they are attended, are nevertheless ratings monsters:
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1605662966270959616
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Oh good! 2.5 million people saw 'Not Oregon' kill us, skin us, and turn us into boots.
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I was one of them.
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Is the independence Bowl the one who has seen its prestige drop the most during bowl proliferation? Gator and Liberty probably in the discussion. Maybe Citrus, even though It's still generally a top eight bowl. But depending on how the automatic tie-ins fell, in the 90s, through the four bowl BCS era, It was sometimes better than one of the big four
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Is the independence Bowl the one who has seen its prestige drop the most during bowl proliferation? Gator and Liberty probably in the discussion. Maybe Citrus, even though It's still generally a top eight bowl. But depending on how the automatic tie-ins fell, in the 90s, through the four bowl BCS era, It was sometimes better than one of the big four
Sun Bowl?
I didn't know that Independence was ever a big deal. If that's the case, it's gotta be pretty close. A few years back, it was like the last or second-to-last SEC bowl teams wanted.
Also, I don't tend to trash places very often, but Shreveport is a deathly weird place I would not prefer to spend a ton of time. Oil town turned casino town is just an odd vibe. I will say, the difference between Dec. 23 (when the game is being played this year) and Dec. 26-27 (when it was played from 2014-2020) is absolutely enormous in terms of experience.
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I think the Cotton has fallen off the most. I think it gets grandfathered in a bit, but whatever year it went SEC vs Big 12 low seeds, it was down a peg or two. I know it's in the CFP now, but for me, its reputationally not back to where it was.
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What year did the Fiesta pass it? Has it passed it back?
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On non-CFP seasons, the Cotton seems kind of like a dumping ground with Western Michigan and Memphis having played in it the past few years.
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I think the Cotton has fallen off the most. I think it gets grandfathered in a bit, but whatever year it went SEC vs Big 12 low seeds, it was down a peg or two. I know it's in the CFP now, but for me, its reputationally not back to where it was.
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What year did the Fiesta pass it? Has it passed it back?
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On non-CFP seasons, the Cotton seems kind of like a dumping ground with Western Michigan and Memphis having played in it the past few years.
I think we can pin it on a very specific date, which would be January 2nd, 1987. Since the Fiesta had no specific conference tie-ins, it was the only major bowl that was able to offer independent #2 PSU and independent #1 Miami a chance to play one another for a clear shot at the MNC.
At the same time, the woes of the SWC and its lackluster conference champions, were dragging down the prestige of the Cotton Bowl.
That's the point where the Fiesta surpassed the Cotton, at least with respect to quality matchups. It will never be able to match it in tradition and history, since it's only been around since 1971 and effectively missed out on The Golden Years which cemented much of college football's history and lore.
As for whether the Cotton has passed it back? I'd say no, but I'm also not certain it really matters anymore. As long as you're a NY6/CFP participant, it's enough. Last year as a CFP semifinal the Cotton got 16.6M viewers for Alabama-Cincy, while the Fiesta was just a NY6 and didn't even manage half that, at 7.96M viewers for ND-OkState.
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I was one of them.
me too
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I think the Cotton has rebounded in the CFP era. If you had asked me during the BCS era, then it was easily the Cotton
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I think we can pin it on a very specific date, which would be January 2nd, 1987. Since the Fiesta had no specific conference tie-ins, it was the only major bowl that was able to offer independent #2 PSU and independent #1 Miami a chance to play one another for a clear shot at the MNC.
At the same time, the woes of the SWC and its lackluster conference champions, were dragging down the prestige of the Cotton Bowl.
That's the point where the Fiesta surpassed the Cotton, at least with respect to quality matchups. It will never be able to match it in tradition and history, since it's only been around since 1971 and effectively missed out on The Golden Years which cemented much of college football's history and lore.
As for whether the Cotton has passed it back? I'd say no, but I'm also not certain it really matters anymore. As long as you're a NY6/CFP participant, it's enough. Last year as a CFP semifinal the Cotton got 16.6M viewers for Alabama-Cincy, while the Fiesta was just a NY6 and didn't even manage half that, at 7.96M viewers for ND-OkState.
Good history. I know Fiesta is also legendary for the way it treats folks. They wine and dine, have the best hotel. Mix that with the weather and you can guess why it started to win out.
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It's funny to me a bit how the Peach Bowl barely survived back in the day. Then they hit on SEC-ACC matchups usually with teams in driving distance and had a minor hit.
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Georgia Dome really helped the Peach Bowl. I remember watching Peach as a kid, and while the matchups where whatever (it was a Bowl Game! one of less than 20!, I watched) it was at Fulton County Stadium which typically meant dreary, sloppy field, not so attractive games. It was the Independence Bowl on steroids in a big city.
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southwest better than southeast for weather
usually
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it was at Fulton County Stadium which typically meant dreary, sloppy field, not so attractive games.
You mean actual football games
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Quick Lane Bowl at halftime - New Mexico State leading Bowling Green 14-0. Only SECOND bowl trip in past SIXTY years for NM State. Good work by Jerry Kill who is getting the Aggies to a bowl in this, his first season in Las Cruces. Completely forgot Jerry Kill took a job there.
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https://twitter.com/CarterKarels/status/1607783580708503555?t=puoLIr9RgEA-4V6aDrw1wg&s=19
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Feels too close to NYD for such a ho hum full day bowl lineup
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Best Wisconsin has looked all season
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LUKE!!!
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Best Wisconsin has looked all season
Not sure about that. That cowboy offense was pretty threadbare.
It might be the best they’ve made me feel this year, outside the Purdue game.
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Georgia Dome really helped the Peach Bowl. I remember watching Peach as a kid, and while the matchups where whatever (it was a Bowl Game! one of less than 20!, I watched) it was at Fulton County Stadium which typically meant dreary, sloppy field, not so attractive games. It was the Independence Bowl on steroids in a big city.
It became infamous for having really bad weather on that date (for Atlanta). I agree the dome helped, as was the ACC-SEC matchup. They got the #2 team from the ACC, and usually #5-6 from the SEC. Fans could usually drive to the game and have a bit of fun and drive home without too much $$$$.
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They got the #2 team from the ACC, and usually #5-6 from the SEC. Fans could usually drive to the game and have a bit of fun and drive home without too much $$$$.
I believe for most of the 90s until the CFP the SEC went #1 Sugar, #2 Citrus, next best East to Outback, next best West to Cotton, #5 to Peach. Then the #3 from the ACC behind Orange and Gator,
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My memory is they got the second ACC team available, and paid them more than the SEC team.
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My memory is they got the second ACC team available, and paid them more than the SEC team.
Per Wikipedia
From 1996–2006, the Gator Bowl traditionally hosted the second-place ACC team against the second-place Big East Conference team. With the 2007 game, the ACC runner-up became contractually tied to play in the Chick-fil-A Bowl and the Gator Bowl began hosting the third-place ACC team versus a team from either the Big East (still the conference's #2 team unless they qualified for the Bowl Championship Series), the Big 12 Conference, or the unaffiliated Notre Dame Fighting Irish (who would take the Big East's spot in this game).
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Has anyone played as many multiple OT games as Arkansas? Swear they have so many.
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Has anyone played as many multiple OT games as Arkansas? Swear they have so many.
Forgot they went to that rotating two-point conversion after the second overtime. Tough break for anyone who had Arkansas -3
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That last 2pt att by KU may have been one of the worst throws I've seen in years.
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That last 2pt att by KU may have been one of the worst throws I've seen in years.
Yes- do you really want a non QB throwing a touch pass into tight window when the game is on the line?
Kansas did make a helluva comeback in those last 2 mins of regulation though.
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Except that was qb#2
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Pulling for Mack Brown's orange slice brigade here. I don't particularly like Oregon.
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me too
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Settling for FGs going to be costly
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Those last two drives were pitiful for UNC's defense.
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Well one way or another, the Holiday Bowl never fails to entertain.
I totally forgot Tech-Ole Miss was on, guess I'll finish the night with that.
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I totally forgot Tech-Ole Miss was on
So did Ole Miss
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So did Ole Miss
Well, they're an SEC team in a bowl game that's not the CFP, so of course they don't want to be there.
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TT playing really hard, that's no question. Ole Miss really careless with the ball. not quite as bad as they looked at Arkansas
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AutoZone Twelving Liberty Bowl
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I watched parts of bowls between 6-6 or 7-5 teams and was impressed at how hard they were playing.
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Texas down 20-10 vs Washington.
Quinn Ewers is a second year college player, he was the #1 overall recruit and given a perfect 1.000 rating by the 247Composite. I believe he was tied with Vince Young as the highest rated QB ever in the modern recruit rankings- which goes back to 2000. Don't know if I see that. He's not giving off Trevor Lawerence or Justin Fields vibes imo. Maybe it's too early. But in year 2 of both those other guys' careers they were lights out. Shoot Lawerence was lights out day one.
Is there a shot that Peyton's nephew winds up starting at some point next year?
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27-10 now. Yeesh. Sark better break through next year or his ass is going to be on FIRE in 2024.
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27-10 now. Yeesh. Sark better break through next year or his ass is going to be on FIRE in 2024.
27-20 final. Texas playing without the best RB in the country. Not terrible but I'd hoped for better.
I'm already on record as saying I don't think Sark's the guy, and I also don't think Ewers is the guy. Neither are flat-out awful, both have some upside, but "potential" really just means you haven't done anything yet. 2023 will be the year where both guys need to DO something.
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I'm already on record as saying I don't think Sark's the guy, and I also don't think Ewers is the guy. Neither are flat-out awful, both have some upside, but "potential" really just means you haven't done anything yet. 2023 will be the year where both guys need to DO something.
yeah, agreed. I think Sark needs like a 10+ win season and a trip to the B12 title game and Ewers really needs to establish himself as the guy and take a step up near that elite echelon. If Sark has another 7-8 win season, if he gets a Year 4 he is basically coaching for his job that year and anything less than a huge year his behind is gone. Ewers will have to level up because Arch Manning is coming in hot as the #1 QB and #1 player overall in the '23 class. If Ewers isn't making a significant leap in Year 3, it's gonna be really tempting to play Manning.
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I watched part of the game and agree with Utee that the OL still needs an upgrade, maybe in coaching?
Texas just doesn't look like Texas these days. (And bowl game don't look like they used to either.)
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We can argue all day about whether or not modern bowl games are meaningless, but with both of Texas' best running backs and a couple of Texas' best defensive players opting out in favor of the NFL draft, this was quite obviously nothing more than a scrimmage/preview of Texas' 2023 team. Which is more than a little bit concerning, given the o-line's struggles. I guess we'll see next year.
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I view them as quite useful for the coach, and younger players. I ascribe little importance to who wins anything but a major, and that is about to be diluted.
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Sark mad….
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1608953861536100352?s=20&t=-kEWYmYhRVWC7CQwwBU-xQ
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27-10 now. Yeesh. Sark better break through next year or his ass is going to be on FIRE in 2024.
Telling a bowl official to "never f***ing tough him again" is a worse look than his mediocre coaching
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This is why you can't judge QBs on summer camps. Nobody has ever questioned his physical abilities
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1609012588930637824?t=CZFnYYv1yYCV7vgWyin7Vg&s=19
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Was Clemson a paper tiger this year (again)? Or just not very motivated? Or are the Vols really solid? Probably all three in portions.
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Clemson? Merely a middling SEC East team if you ask me. Not much of a shot to win the division on a regular basis like they do now.
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They lost twice to SEC East teams, and ND of course. Not an impressive list, they did beat ... somebody.
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Tide looked a little hungover early, but those were some big plays to get back in it.
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This is why you can't judge QBs on summer camps. Nobody has ever questioned his physical abilities
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1609012588930637824?t=CZFnYYv1yYCV7vgWyin7Vg&s=19
He’s super talented. Just don’t think he has the consistent accuracy to play QB at a high level. Never been about the physical tools for him.
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Bama is boat racing B12 champs Kansas State. 45-13. Yeesh.
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Iowa blanks Kentucky, 21-0.
B1G is 4-0 in bowls right now, with Wisconsin, Maryland, Iowa, and Minnesota all winning their matchups. Michigan and Ohio State are up next. Rest of the B1G teams play their bowls on Monday.
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Both bowls were "over" by 2:45. Not ideal for viewership.
Granted if you hate the Hurley brothers, UConn taking their first loss, and ASU getting run off their home court are both happening. In addition to #2 losing, #4 and #6 are both down in the 2nd half. Should bridge the gap
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That was retarded. What in the actual fk was THAT CALL on 4th and goal 2 yards away from the goal line. WHAT THE FK.
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That play call was a fire able offense imo.
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Will Johnson is a future top 5 pick. That’s all.
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JJ threw that too late. And Ronnie Bell is a PUSS. Didn’t even attempt to fight for the football.
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That was a bad read by JJ on 3rd and 4. Johnson wasn’t open, not to mention he slipped. This team is playing like absolute dogshit right now.
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it's early
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That play call was a fire able offense imo.
Ed Zachery
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I have no fkn clue why TWO YEARS IN A ROW that Harbaugh has his team playing like dogshit in these semis. This is a joke.
I wonder if they just blew their entire load both years on Ohio State. I really don’t get it. They just haven’t come to play both times out. It’s pathetic.
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Harbaugh needs to run JJ like Dykes runs Dugan. There’s no reason not to. JJ can do it.
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Best part of TCU running up early is A) showing they belong and validating their playoff selection as outsiders and B) the cameras panning across all the vividly disappointed faces of Michigan fans in the stands. 🌵
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Did they really just run ANOTHER gadget play on 1st down with AJ Henning? Fk this team man.
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Get back to grinding and don't push the panic button
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Why in the F do they keep running it up the gut when TCU is run blitzing them to death. Throw the ball or run it with JJ. Fake the hand off to Donovan and run JJ.
This play calling is ASS and Michigan still has 130+ yards of offense in 1 QTR.
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There goes the shut out - j/k
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let JJ throw it DEEP
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Well that's some bad luck
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JESUS FKN CHRIST.
Today is just not Michigan’s day. FK THIS GAME.
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Holy crap. That overturn of the TD turns out to be enormous.
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That was a TD. JESUS CHRIST.
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You have a 2nd and 3. Perfect time to hit a play action pass. What do they do? Run it for a loss.
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Ronnie Bell stinks. I really am sick of watching this kid play. He’s mid as hell. I’ve never seen a more overhyped WR by the Michigan fan base in my life.
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There only hope is to knock Dugan out of the game. Kid runs too much. Michigan is going to have to hit him, maybe even take a cheap shot and knock him out. Game over if he plays the entire game.
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Whoa
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This is the first half vs Georgia all over again. Complete and utter EMBARRASSMENT. What does Harbaugh do with this team for that month? Clearly doesn’t coach them and get ready to play in the playoff.
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Max Duggan is nails. I thought he was throwing that away
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Max Duggan is nails. I thought he was throwing that away
Yeah the only way they can win this game is if their coaches take their fkn heads out of their asses and if they can punish Dugan when he runs.
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Sonny's staff killin it
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Didn’t see this coming. Still a lot of time to go though.
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weak roughing call
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Wow, rare to see Michigan's OL get abused like they did on that sack
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weak roughing call
WEAKER over turn of the td call.
I’m shutting this shit off. Good night boys and happy New Years.
oh and FK Harbaugh and fk this weak ass pathetic team.
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weak roughing call
Very weak
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Mebbe TCU is just better?
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Wow, rare to see Michigan's OL get abused like they did on that sack
It was an all out blitz. Michigan has no answers for this blitzes. Especially the run blitzes.
Harbaugh is a sh*t X’s & O’s and situational offensive coach. He’s an embarrassment at that stuff actually.
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Mebbe TCU is just better?
TCU is not that good. Michigan making them look good. They keep BONING themselves.
Georgia or Ohio State beat TCU by 3+ TDs.
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TCU is not that good. Michigan making them look good. They keep BONING themselves.
Georgia or Ohio State beat TCU by 3+ TDs.
perhaps we will see if you are right
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Very weak
Well,well,well SDF you rail ridin' Hobo how goes it? And your Frogs looking solid
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Wow, rare to see Michigan's OL get abused like they did on that sack
If I’m a Michigan fan my big question so far is why is the OL falling apart? They won if not manhandled every Big Ten DL they faced and now they are getting pushed back even when TCU rushes only 3 or 4.
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This is the Michigan many of us love. Now of course they have been a great 2nd half team
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Everything else aside, it's blatantly obvious Michigan got completely f'd on that TD reversal.
That was obviously a TD. And it completely changed the course of this game.
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good to see you, Froggy!
and just in time for the Big Ten Board
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Everything else aside, it's blatantly obvious Michigan got completely f'd on that TD reversal.
That was obviously a TD. And it completely changed the course of this game.
I dont think so
It was clear he was down prior to rolling into the endzone
you cant be down and then roll for a TD
Its not the NFL
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This is the Michigan many of us love. Now of course they have been a great 2nd half team
Lot of people hate Michigan. They just motherfkn peanut butter and jealous.
They hate us cause they anus.
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Everything else aside, it's blatantly obvious Michigan got completely f'd on that TD reversal.
That was obviously a TD. And it completely changed the course of this game.
Yup. Complete screw job by the ref. Wilson never had possession of the ball until after he hit the plane. And you don’t over turn that unless video evidence is inctrovertable. It was a TERRIBLE call by the official.
This game is 21-13 at the half if that isn’t over turned. 21-16 if Harbaugh just takes the points and isn’t a DUMBASS and tries a double reverse to a fkn TE who then has a pass option from the TWO YARD LINE. I’m firing the play caller who made that call and fining Harbaugh if I’m the AD. That was a fireable offense imo. I’m serious.
TCU looks very mid to me. Their DB made a great play on a poor throw by JJ and took it for 6, and they’ve been the beneficiaries of some boneheaded Michigan play calls and some bad officiating. They don’t pass the eye test. UGA or OSU will smoke them.
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If I’m a Michigan fan my big question so far is why is the OL falling apart? They won if not manhandled every Big Ten DL they faced and now they are getting pushed back even when TCU rushes only 3 or 4.
Lol. This is so not true, but believe what you want.
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Everything else aside, it's blatantly obvious Michigan got completely f'd on that TD reversal.
That was obviously a TD. And it completely changed the course of this game.
Also…the BIGGER travesty in that was dumbfk Harbaugh handing it off to a converted LB who was playing LB at Michigan the last 3 years until a week ago.
ball was at the half yard line. QB SNEAK IT MORON.
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let JJ throw it DEEP
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I don’t want Michigan to win. They ain’t beating OSU twice in a year. And Georgia is gonna clown them just as bad as last year.
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let JJ throw it DEEP
Let him run the read option too. And let him throw a jump ball goal line fade to your 6’7 stud frosh TE or your 6’3 WR Cornelius Johnson.
This play calling SUCKS.
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I dont think so
It was clear he was down prior to rolling into the endzone
you cant be down and then roll for a TD
Its not the NFL
As MDot said, the WR did not have possession until inside the end zone
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Flea flicker!
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Here comes Michigan.
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Let him run the read option too. And let him throw a jump ball goal line fade to your 6’7 stud frosh TE or your 6’3 WR Cornelius Johnson.
This play calling SUCKS.
Bell sux to doesn't he?Lighten up Francis
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Bell sux to doesn't he?Lighten up Francis
Meh. He only makes plays when no one is around him. That was better play design and a great throw than anything Bell did. Let's see him get a jump ball or make a circus catch or catch a short pass break tackles get YAC and score. Cause he don't do any of that.
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Great response by TCU
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Damn, hell of a response
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that was the worst defensive play by Michigan defense all game. And at the worst time. They needed to hold them to 3 there. And they just let them march down the field.
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Donovan Edwards needs to hit a big play here. And Michigan needs a damn defensive stop.
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that was the worst defensive play by Michigan defense all game. And at the worst time. They needed to hold them to 3 there. And they just let them march down the field.
Why play goal line defense on the goal line?
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that overturn TD looms fkn large.
Duggan is 9/23. JJ is 15/20 for 244 yards and 1 TD. SHOULD be 2 TDs. But one of those incompletes was a the pick 6. Kid had 1 terrible play. Other then that, he's been excellent.
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stop running up the gut into brick wall and run blitzes and 2nd and short please. Spread them out and run read option or let JJ sling it.
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how many pick 6's is JJ McCarthy gonna throw today? Jesus Christ.
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Oh no
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Huge play. Wow.
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I am all astonishment
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This play calling is so bad. They either run up the middle or have JJ just sit in the pocket and sling it. It’s like they forgot he’s a mobile qb. Makes me sick
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This play calling is so bad. They either run up the middle or have JJ just sit in the pocket and sling it. It’s like they forgot he’s a mobile qb. Makes me sick
On cue.
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This play calling is so bad. They either run up the middle or have JJ just sit in the pocket and sling it. It’s like they forgot he’s a mobile qb. Makes me sick
See they just suck
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JJ using his legs. Not giving up. What an athlete man. Go for the 2 here get it, its only a 10 pt game with the entire 4th to go.
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man that 2 pt play call was AWFUL. AWFUL.
I really don't like Harbaugh or his play calling.
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NOW PLAY SOME FKN DEFENSE FOR GOD SAKES. GET A STOP AND YOU'RE RIGHT BACK IN THIS BITCH.
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JJ is so obviously ridicuously talented. Jim Harbaugh is so obviously not the right guy to develop that talent.
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Long run by qb was possible because rediculous holding uncalled. The zebras only reason Michigan has a chance here .... sorry not sorry, the B1G exposed.... again...
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This game is bananas
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what a joke. it's like they forgot how to play defense this 2nd half.
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This game is bananas
this game sucks
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Long run by qb was possible because rediculous holding uncalled. The zebras only reason Michigan has a chance here .... sorry not sorry, the B1G exposed.... again...
go fk yourself drew
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go fk yourself drew
Heheheheheeee love it!
Its an exciting game, yall... I had to poke the bear.
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Demercado is a great RB2. Had a big TD run against WVU this year.
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Long run by qb was possible because rediculous holding uncalled. The zebras only reason Michigan has a chance here .... sorry not sorry, the B1G exposed.... again...
Michigan definitely got boned by the refs in this game
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This has become a full-tilt Big 12 game
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Yeah cool. Even if Michigan gets the td here their defense has to make a stop. Good luck with that. Minter has been getting clowned this 2nd half.
Oh and hey how about ya QB SNEAK IT before you hand it to a damn converted LB.
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This has become a full-tilt Big 12 game
Yeah and it fkn sucks. How do people in the B12 watch this garbage ?
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I just wanted TCU to at least show they belonged on the same field. I wasn't expecting this.
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44 combined points in the third quarter
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hey defense...MAKE A FKN PLAY OR GET A FKN STOP THIS 2ND HALF FOR ONCE IN YOUR PATHETIC LIVES.
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FUMBLE. He lost that before his knee hit the ground.
FUMBLE MICHIGAN RECOVERS. CMON REFS. DONT FK US AGAIN YOU POS.
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I just wanted TCU to at least show they belonged on the same field. I wasn't expecting this.
They better tighten up their defense now
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Touchdown Michigan!
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FG GAME BABY. 3 PT game with the entire 4th QTR to go.
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Good god
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DJ Turner is absolute trash. Total WHIFF on a gotta have it tackle right there. Jesus Christ. Can this guy leave already. I can't wait for Jyaire Hill to get here. DJ Turner is absolute garbage.
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I love the hyperbole
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DJ Turner is absolute trash. Total WHIFF on a gotta have it tackle right there. Jesus Christ. Can this guy leave already. I can't wait for Jyaire Hill to get here. DJ Turner is absolute garbage.
The trash is the terrible blitz calls they’re getting burned on over and over
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I love the hyperbole
it's not hyperbole. guy has been at Michigan for like 5 fkn years and hasn't made a play once in his career. Will Johnson has been at Michigan for all of 5 minutes and he's already a better corner than Turner and has made way more plays and will actually tackle.
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The trash is the terrible blitz calls they’re getting burned on over and over
true. DJ Turner is awful though. He just never makes plays.
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AJ Henning has no vision when he's running back kicks. He's really fast, but has no idea how to see the next guy and make the cut away from where the next guy is going to be.
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Every player is either garbage or first rounder
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Refs clearly favoring Michigan
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Every player is either garbage or first rounder
Nah. Mikey Sainistril ain't a 1st rounder. He's just a baller though. Basically the complete opposite of Turner. And the guy has played CB/Nickel all of 5 minutes. DJ Turner has been there 5 years. DJ Turner is ass. Never makes a play when the opportunity is there.
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Refs clearly favoring Michiy
are you drunk grandpa?
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Not a great series there for Michigan
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TCU is a much better team
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somebody please restrain Mdot before he slashes his wrists
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That was pretty conservative from TCU considering how quickly these teams are scoring
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… and they beat OSU…
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hey they dont call it Big 12ing for nothing
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Announcers bringing up RichRod era Michigan
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Frogs going conservative too early
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Michigan lucked out there
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NO
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somebody please restrain Mdot before he slashes his wrists
nah. never hurt myself bro.
I might mail a bag of human feces to Harbaugh's house though.
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51-45. This is a full blown Big Twelving game.
CAN MICHIGAN GET A FKN STOP THOUGH. Seems like every time they score, TCU hits them right back. It's annoying.
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Plenty of time left if the defense can get a stop
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TCU is a much better team
Nah. If TCU was legit they'd be blowing Michigan out right now. It's a 6 pt game. TCU got gifted 14 points off the board for Michigan bc of brain dead play call by Harbaugh and brain dead call by officials, and were gifted 14 points by two JJ McCarthy pick 6's. That's a 28 point swing.
Add 14 to Michigan, take 14 away from TCU and that's probably the real game if you play it 97 out of 100 times. Games are one offs though. Weird shit happens. This just happens to be TCU's day.
A legit team would be housing this Michigan team that showed up today. Kinda like Georgia did to them last year.
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TCU special teams not great the past couple returns
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Booger has all 3 TOs left
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Loved that quarterback sneak with the Bush push
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Loved that quarterback sneak with the Bush push
I hated it.
Wish Harbaugh would've called that on the goaline instead of handing it off to a converted LB...
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Michigan misplayed tos
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Game all comes down to this 3rd down play...if Michigan can make a play on defense on 3rd down...they have life. Jesus if you're real make it happen.
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Michigan misplayed tos
100%. That's JEEEM for ya. The 'tism + CTE.....dude is looney tunes. Not all there if ya know what I mean.
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Delay WTF really?
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All right Michigan
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Delay WTF really?
they were trying to make Michigan jump off sides.
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Great job, TCU. I didn’t see that coming.
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Welp
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HAHAHAHA. What a pathetic display of tripping over your own d**k on the final drive with the chance to get the win. Does Harbaugh even coach these guys?
Congrats TCU. You're about to get murdered by Georgia.
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They could call targeting though
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All right, officially, welp
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ok now OSU needs to beat the dogs and TCU might have a chance
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Now for the real NC game …
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Now for the real NC game …
careful there CD
Karma is a bitch
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Yup
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TCU beat the refs and IM
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We'll take that
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Holding obvious
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Need a stop
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Holding again
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Holding again
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If they let OSU hold every play we’re in trouble
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Refs in the bag
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Geesh holding
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Refs in the bag
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Ridiculous
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Georgia DB's grabby
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This is absurd
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Never seen such horrible officiating
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Georgia DB's grabby
Kirby teaches 'em up, it ain't PI if they can't see it/call it. Zordich used to teach Michigan DBs to grab and hold, and do it in subtle ways that the refs can't see it.
Speaking of Georgia DBs, Kelee Ringo is the most overrated CB that I think I've ever seen. Whoever drafts him in the 1st rd is getting a bussssst. Doesn't have the hips or fluidity to play man at the next level vs the best WRs in the world.
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Refs in the bag
I'll take who is Mdot for 50 Alex
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CHOP CHOP
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Never seen such horrible officiating
you clearly didn't watch the last game in which the SEC refs boned Michigan continually. Stop whining about officiating. It happens. You should be used to awful officiating with those shitbag refs you have in the SEC who everyone knows are the worst refs in any major US sport by a mile and it's not close.
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Have to beat the refs like TCU did
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I'll take who is Mdot for 50 Alex
nah. don't think I blamed the refs. I blamed Harbaugh for that joke of a loss to a powder puff TCU team.
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Steele!
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this is already on pace to be another shoot out. OSU up 14-7 early and Georgia isn't do much to slow down that passing attack. CJ Stroud completing 80% of his balls right now and Marv already has almost 100 yards.
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BIG MARV
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how in the actual fk did this same Michigan team go into Columbus and pummel this Ohio State team that is dicing up Georgia, only to lose to TCU- the weakest playoff team I've ever seen in the 9 years of the playoff? Blowing my mind right now.
Harbaugh needs to be strung up by his balls and whipped and flogged over that loss. He'll never live that one down imo.
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Seriously, CJ Stroud has clearly heard the message that he can't play unless everything is perfect
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More holding I quit, going to bed.
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of course Ohio State is about to win a Natty blowing out a weak ass TCU team that Michigan fumbled the bag vs- after Michigan beat Ohio State in their own crib by 22. It truly SUCKS being a Michigan. Can't have nice sh*t. I'm ready for Harbaugh to pack his bags and hit the NFL. Thanks for everything coach, but it's time to find someone more up with the times when it comes to offense/passing game and who isn't a moron when it comes to situational football.
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More holding I quit, going to bed.
wait you're still awake? thought it was already 3 hours past yer bed time gramps.
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More holding I quit, going to bed.
man Georgia sucks. Michigan beat this same Ohio team by 22 in their own building. This is a home game for Georgia. What gives gramps?
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how in the actual fk did this same Michigan team go into Columbus and pummel this Ohio State team that is dicing up Georgia, only to lose to TCU- the weakest playoff team I've ever seen in the 9 years of the playoff? Blowing my mind right now.
Harbaugh needs to be strung up by his balls and whipped and flogged over that loss. He'll never live that one down imo.
As an Ohio State fan I have a different view, how did this Ohio State team lose at home to a Michigan team that just lost to TCU.
FWIW, TCU is nowhere near the weakest CFP team ever.
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FWIW, TCU is nowhere near the weakest CFP team ever.
shoot, you're right, Cinci last year was pretty weak. 2nd weakest ever.
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just heard that Stetson Bennett is older than 16 QBs who have started a game in the NFL this season. He's older than Lamar Jackson who has been in the NFL for 5 seasons. Wtf? How is that even allowed? NCAA needs to put um...age limits or something maybe. A 26 year old shouldn't be playing in college vs a bunch of 18, 19, and 20 year olds.
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Bennet is awful. Smart is riding.
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Surprised the refs didn’t take it away
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Bennet is awful. Smart is riding.
he's pretty good actually. he's just OLD as fk for a college QB. and he should be pretty decent considering he's so old. he's had a lot of time to develop his game and play against guys 7-8 years younger then him.
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Marvin Harrison Jr stat line...5 catches, 106 yards, 21.6 YPC, and 2 TD's.
We've got 9 mins left in the 2nd QTR. What a freaking beast that kid is.
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Refs are horrible.
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Fire Smart
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Holding again
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Ballsy call, almost worked, terribly timed penalty.
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Interference
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I think Jeem might put TOO MUCH emphasis on Ohio and Day not enough on Michigan.
Seems like last two years after blowing their loads vs Ohio they came out flat in the playoff semis.
Meanwhile two years in a row after having disappointing losses to Michigan, OSU came to play in their bowls.
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Let me know how it turns out
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Weird.
If you had told me this afternoon that Ohio State would be down 24-21 at the half I'd have been reasonably happy but giving up 17 straight after leading 21-7 just doesn't feel good.
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Weird.
If you had told me this afternoon that Ohio State would be down 24-21 at the half I'd have been reasonably happy but giving up 17 straight after leading 21-7 just doesn't feel good.
Nevermind.
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Touchdown Xavier Johnson!
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Holding like crazy
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Left too much time on the clock though
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Ohio State playing way better than I thought they would. Stroud has been flawless. They need to find a bit of a running game in the 2nd half I think though.
When is the last time both favorites lost in the semis?
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Holding like crazy
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Egbuka!
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We can’t win if the let our DLs get held time after time
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Ridiculous
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OSU defense apparently remembered it exists this quarter
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Refs are in the bag
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Holding holding holding
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Every play holding
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Refs are in the bag
Blame Kirby not da refs. Refs didn’t coach up that ass secondary. Maybe we all should’ve seen it coming after freaking LSUs scrub QBs threw for 500 on em.
CJ Stroud is a top 5 nfl draft pick, ie not a scrub like all the other QBs uga faced this year.
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Refs in the bag
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Ridiculous
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Ridiculous
I suppose that was ridiculous also.
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Not sure how they overturned that
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The refs are in the bag. Lol
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I think Bowers got that.
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Ballsy call, great catch by Smart.
Still, cost UGA a timeout which might matter.
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Good job by the refs to give UGA a timeout after the snap
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Need a TD here.
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Does Bennett have one more storybook in him?
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yes, yes he does
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Does stroud?
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Lots of holding no calls yall
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Welp
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That was a great game.
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Ohio State completely blew that last round of downs there, and set their kicker up for failure. Why didn’t the Buckeyes use their remaining TOs to think through a more confident selection of playcalls? Completely winged the last :35 seconds.
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Points out the importance of "foot" in football.
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I dont think osu has a thing to be ashamed about. That Georgia D is mean- I've watched them all season. They've took a nap a couple times this year but when they came to play nobody could move on them.
Osu pushed them around all night. They are the only team in the game who could push them around when they brought their A game.
That was an instant classic.
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Watching the replay....the holder seemed to be quite a bit more dismayed than Ruggles (the kicker). Any chance that the hold was bad?
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Watching the replay....the holder seemed to be quite a bit more dismayed than Ruggles (the kicker). Any chance that the hold was bad?
It takes at least three... snap, hold, kick. It's the reason I love this game- it takes cohesion and concert of effort. Riggle may be at fault but that ain't exactly right. The team and the coaches are. But even then, if they play at their peak and lose there is no shame. They played lights out in a game they shouldn't have been in for four quarters.
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I went to bed
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Holding?
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I dont think osu has a thing to be ashamed about.
Well considering their 2 starting RBs Williams(2nd OTR)/Henderson were out,starting TE Stover went out, WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba out - supposed pre season fav. to win the Biletnikoff Award didn't Play then Marvin Harrison JR got cheap shotted can't say as I can Blame them.A late hit or personal foul should have been leveled there then it's 1st & goal instead of settling for 3
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Well considering their 2 starting RBs Williams(2nd OTR)/Henderson were out,starting TE Stover went out, WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba out - supposed pre season fav. to win the Biletnikoff Award didn't Play then Marvin Harrison JR got cheap shotted can't say as I can Blame them.A late hit or personal foul should have been leveled there then it's 1st & goal instead of settling for 3
What a rational post. :72:
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That looked like a Byron Bennett kick at the end .
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I went to bed
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What a rational post. :72:
Yes it is try following it, have you been eating sponge cake and sipping schnopps in the wee hours? Pretty simple logic starters out at RBs,WRs and TE on a passing team so tell the board how this would have no effect or you could blame them - I'll hang up and listen
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Alabama fans said roughly the same thing last year, and they could well be right.
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I went to bed
I don't think so,not before the final gun anyway
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I did, went to sleep, wife woke me up when she got a text from our kid. I got up and went downstairs to turn on the TV and verify they came back, somehow.
I still don't really believe it, OSU was the better team I think that day, no answer for Stroud. Games turn on small things often as not.
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Okay let me rephrase that - did you go to sleep?
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I did, went to sleep, wife woke me up when she got a text from our kid.
Yes.
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GTFO,damn I was too jacked to portal into slumber world from white knuckling it.
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Two incredibly good games. That is what a semifinal should be.
Wished for a different final out come for both as I would have really liked an all BIG10 final, but I give credit to TCU and Georgia.
Also happy to see Stroud illustrate what he really his. As Kirby said- “ we had no answer for him”
I will always wonder what could have been had Harrison played Q4? Or- what the season would have looked like with Treyvon Henderson and Smith-Njigba on the roster.
Oh well- that’s football.
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Stroud got my Hypesman vote a couple weeks ago
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I'd pick Stroud #1.
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Yes it is try following it, have you been eating sponge cake and sipping schnopps in the wee hours? Pretty simple logic starters out at RBs,WRs and TE on a passing team so tell the board how this would have no effect or you could blame them - I'll hang up and listen
A - you play with who ya got, injuries happen
B - how in the holy hell did Harrison get "cheap-shotted"???? The ball was in play and the defender jacked him up with his shoulder
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One of us is emotionally invested and the other is being objective. I'll you sort out who's who.
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Ohio State completely blew that last round of downs there, and set their kicker up for failure. Why didn’t the Buckeyes use their remaining TOs to think through a more confident selection of playcalls? Completely winged the last :35 seconds.
The below writeup elaborates on my reaction after OSU's coaching staff, otherwise calling a fantastic game Vs Georgia, bizarrely folded in the last minute:
"After calling a brilliant, aggressive game for better than 59 minutes, Day made a shocking decision to play for a long field goal attempt to earn a spot in the national title game."
"Ohio State quarterback CJ Stroud had just done the unthinkable, breaking loose for a 27-yard gain that brought the Buckeyes to the Georgia 31-yard line. The Buckeyes had 24 seconds and 2 timeouts to finish the job."
"On first down, he chose to hand the ball to third-string running back Dallan Hayden. The message was clear: Ohio State was playing for 3 points. And anyone who attempts to tell you otherwise is delusional or lying...the play was a predictable failure. Hayden lost a yard. After a pair of incompletions, including a scrambling near-disaster that Stroud simply threw out of bounds to avoid taking a 15-yard sack, the Buckeyes settled for a 50-yard field goal attempt."
"Stroud was cooking. Georgia was on its heels. And on first down with the game in the balance, Day took the ball out of the hands of his back-to-back Heisman finalist...There was no time to spare when Day got cute. Or ultra-conservative. Or dumb. Maybe gutless? It’s hard to properly quantify — even though Day and Stroud said afterward that they liked the call and wouldn’t change it. And the fact he did get cute/conservative/dumb/gutless is incomprehensible given how he had called this entire game."
"It’s among the most baffling decisions in college football history...It’s a shame when the final 24 seconds can override the 59:36 before it. But that’s the College Football Playoff. Every second counts. Ohio State needed a full 60 minutes of good decisions from its head coach."
https://twitter.com/Buckeyes/status/1609520953473798146
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A - you play with who ya got, injuries happen
B - how in the holy hell did Harrison get "cheap-shotted"???? The ball was in play and the defender jacked him up with his shoulder
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One of us is emotionally invested and the other is being objective. I'll you sort out who's who.
Again my response was to Drew who said "I dont think osu has a thing to be ashamed about." I agreed and explained why,have the 3rd grade explain it to you.And when all else failed like you just did try the rule book
Targeting:
1)Launch — a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
2)Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
Harrison clearly qualified as a defenseless player under the article 4 rule for targeting.
Watch the replay the so called player jumped up and pumped his fist
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I'd pick Stroud #1.
I'd still go Bryce Young. But Stroud did win me over a little bit more last night. I said BY was the only guy I'd pick 1st rd. I'd pick Stroud 1st rd as well. Those are the only two though. Not buying that Will Levis bullsh&t hype- that dude is ASS.
Young is small but he's magical with that football in his hands and he's got an NFL arm. Stroud has the adequate size and height and he's the best pure thrower of the football in this upcoming draft. Those are the only two I'm touching with a 1st rd pick. Rest of these QBs in this upcoming draft can fk off when it comes to the 1st rd.
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I don't understand the Levis love either. The USC guy might go early. I figure somebody will take a flyer on Stetson Bennett IV late.
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Again my response was to Drew who said "I dont think osu has a thing to be ashamed about." I agreed and explained why,have the 3rd grade explain it to you.And when all else failed like you just did try the rule book
Targeting:
1)Launch — a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
2)Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
Harrison clearly qualified as a defenseless player under the article 4 rule for targeting.
Watch the replay the so called player jumped up and pumped his fist
I guess you need to have a 3rd grader explain it to the referees? It's not targeting if they don't call it.
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But they did then reversed it,thought you watched,those little yellow cloth things on the ground,orders from Corporate I guess
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The below writeup elaborates on my reaction after OSU's coaching staff, otherwise calling a fantastic game Vs Georgia, bizarrely folded in the last minute:
"After calling a brilliant, aggressive game for better than 59 minutes, Day made a shocking decision to play for a long field goal attempt to earn a spot in the national title game."
"Ohio State quarterback CJ Stroud had just done the unthinkable, breaking loose for a 27-yard gain that brought the Buckeyes to the Georgia 31-yard line. The Buckeyes had 24 seconds and 2 timeouts to finish the job."
"On first down, he chose to hand the ball to third-string running back Dallan Hayden. The message was clear: Ohio State was playing for 3 points. And anyone who attempts to tell you otherwise is delusional or lying...the play was a predictable failure. Hayden lost a yard. After a pair of incompletions, including a scrambling near-disaster that Stroud simply threw out of bounds to avoid taking a 15-yard sack, the Buckeyes settled for a 50-yard field goal attempt."
"Stroud was cooking. Georgia was on its heels. And on first down with the game in the balance, Day took the ball out of the hands of his back-to-back Heisman finalist...There was no time to spare when Day got cute. Or ultra-conservative. Or dumb. Maybe gutless? It’s hard to properly quantify — even though Day and Stroud said afterward that they liked the call and wouldn’t change it. And the fact he did get cute/conservative/dumb/gutless is incomprehensible given how he had called this entire game."
"It’s among the most baffling decisions in college football history...It’s a shame when the final 24 seconds can override the 59:36 before it. But that’s the College Football Playoff. Every second counts. Ohio State needed a full 60 minutes of good decisions from its head coach."
https://twitter.com/Buckeyes/status/1609520953473798146
Strongly disagree.
That play was called based on the defense Georgia was in. Sure- 4th string RB- pretty much without their too 3 all season.
That play was designed to gain 4-6 yards- but as Day said, if Georgia would have been in man coverage he would have gone for the end zone. Solid thinking. Especially with a kicker who has been money from 50 in all season. Indoor stadium. Crowd noise outrageous making communication difficult.
And remember, no Cade Stover- their best TE. No Gee Scott, their second best pass catching TE. No Marvin Harrison. Georgia- in a compacted area( almost red zone) playing zone in the back, hard press one on one on the split out wide outs, and blitzing the house.
Recipe for a turnover. The run- if blocked well ( it wasnt)has a good chance of breaking big.
The next 2 plays- before the FG attempt- tell you all you need to know, as he had Stoud in aggressive pass calls. First one thrown into tight coverage, tipped and could have been intercepted. Stroud had no time- all out Blitz. Next play- same defense. Stroud running for life immediately and no choice but to throw it away so as to preserve FG attempt.
Day had that team ready. He called an excellent offensive game. Losing Harrison for the entire Q4 hurt a lot. I give Georgia credit.
Kirby calling that timeout while ( and it was called during the play) OSU ran the fake punt successfully was brilliant. If Ohio State gets that first down this game was effectively over.
It was Jorge is very next offensive play, since all Ohio State now had to punt, or the defensive back fell down and they gave up a 70 yard touchdown.
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But they did then reversed it,thought you watched,those little yellow cloth things on the ground,orders from Corporate I guess
They must have made a mistake then.
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It's always been weird to me when NYD is on a Sunday and bowl games get pushed to Monday January 2nd. It's even weirder now that the CFP semifinals are already done, and the rest of the bowls just seem like an afterthought today, rather than leading up to the big games-- Cotton Bowl in early afternoon, Rose Bowl in the late afternoon, Orange Bowl at night-- like it used to.
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Sucks.
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It's always been weird to me when NYD is on a Sunday and bowl games get pushed to Monday January 2nd. It's even weirder now that the CFP semifinals are already done, and the rest of the bowls just seem like an afterthought today, rather than leading up to the big games-- Cotton Bowl in early afternoon, Rose Bowl in the late afternoon, Orange Bowl at night-- like it used to.
I remember back in the day, I hardly even thought about it.
Like the first bowl when I was in college and the one UW Rose Bowl I went to were both very much on the second, and I was like "I guess so."
Of course, I was in college or on vacation for those, so it wasn't like I had a normal job getting in the way.
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Today is a Federal Holiday (NYD Observed). Not too many of us are working.
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Well considering their 2 starting RBs Williams(2nd OTR)/Henderson were out,starting TE Stover went out, WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba out - supposed pre season fav. to win the Biletnikoff Award didn't Play then Marvin Harrison JR got cheap shotted can't say as I can Blame them.A late hit or personal foul should have been leveled there then it's 1st & goal instead of settling for 3
"Defensive back Javon Bullard, wearing No. 22 for Georgia, hit Harrison in the head with his helmet and shoulder as the play ended, and it looked like targeting. A flag was thrown on impact, but it was later ruled that targeting had not happened. But Harrison was done for the night with concussion symptoms."
“I was told that it was not targeting,” Ohio State coach Ryan Day said. “And that he (Harrison) did not take a shot to the head, which is hard. I didn’t see it, so I don’t know. But to get a concussion and not get hit in the head – I’d have to see the replay.”
"Stroud clearly was not the same quarterback after Harrison left. And Ohio State was not the same team. Stroud finished 4-of-8 passing for 29 yards with a sack and no touchdowns from the point Harrison exited. Before that, Stroud was 19-of-26 passing for 319 yards and four touchdowns. The Buckeyes managed only two field goals without Harrison."
https://twitter.com/Outkick/status/1609658904266301444
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Today is a Federal Holiday (NYD Observed). Not too many of us are working.
I'm never not working
like Troy Polamalu
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Watching the Rose Parade this morning, trying to get into the college football spirit.
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Rose Parade on the 2nd?
is it a rerun?
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Rose Parade on the 2nd?
is it a rerun?
Nope. Just like the bowl games, when NYD is a Sunday, the Rose Parade shifts to the 2nd.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-world/when-is-rose-parade-rose-bowl-game-how-to-watch/507-79840daa-1f11-4340-be5a-ecb014153f7d
That's because the organizer of the parade, the Tournament of Roses Association, has a longstanding tradition to never hold the parade on a Sunday.
The parade began in 1890 and was annually held on New Year's Day. In 1893, when the parade was to fall on a Sunday for the first time, organizers moved it to the next day to avoid interfering with worship services or scaring horses tied up outside the churches.
The tradition has continued since and last happened in 2017.
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some folks just make poor decisions
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Watching the Rose Parade this morning, trying to get into the college football spirit.
I really hate that so many bowls are on ESPN.
I don't have cable. Ohio State games are important enough to me that I make arrangements but the rest I would watch if it was convenient. It isn't so I'll watch the Citrus today and that us it.
NYD used to be CFB all day long. Now one game. Go Purdue, Boiler up!
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It's not just that NYD (or the day after in this case) isn't as important as it used to be-- it's also that every weekend during the college football season now has games from 11 AM to 2 AM. That wasn't true 30 years ago.
NYD always felt more special, because there was simply MORE football being played, all day long. Now, even if every game were on a different channel and not ESPN, there'd still be less to watch, than any average Saturday in the Fall.
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It's not just that NYD (or the day after in this case) isn't as important as it used to be-- it's also that every weekend during the college football season now has games from 11 AM to 2 AM. That wasn't true 30 years ago.
NYD always felt more special, because there was simply MORE football being played, all day long. Now, even if every game were on a different channel and not ESPN, there'd still be less to watch, than any average Saturday in the Fall.
That’s … good?
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It's not just that NYD (or the day after in this case) isn't as important as it used to be-- it's also that every weekend during the college football season now has games from 11 AM to 2 AM. That wasn't true 30 years ago.
NYD always felt more special, because there was simply MORE football being played, all day long. Now, even if every game were on a different channel and not ESPN, there'd still be less to watch, than any average Saturday in the Fall.
True!
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At Coke museum
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I did not count on Caleb Williams showing up ready to rock.
Good for him.
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the Green Wave rolls w/o Caleb playin
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I tend to make fun of people who complain of uncalled holds, but on Tulane’s 3rd and 4th down plays the LT got away with two pretty egregious holds.
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And, yeah, that’s a catch. Tulane is going to win the game.
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poor ol Muleshoe
no defense playin Trojans rolled by the Green Wave
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Fun Cotton.
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I shoulda stayed another week in Texas
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Huge win for that school. Tulane!!
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My Dad is a collector and wearer of random non P5 t-shirts and sweatshirts. I think he has about 40 here at his house. The other night he opened a gift which was a Tulane Tshirt which he wore today.
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I really hate that so many bowls are on ESPN.
I don't have cable. Ohio State games are important enough to me that I make arrangements but the rest I would watch if it was convenient. It isn't so I'll watch the Citrus today and that us it.
NYD used to be CFB all day long. Now one game. Go Purdue, Boiler up!
Are you a dinosaur? You don't need "cable."
Get youtube TV for $70/mo and you get all the channels. Cox, Spectrum, DirecTV, etc are charging like $200/mo for similar content, AND THEY ONLY STAY IN BUSINESS BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE ELDERLY.
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Penn State and Utah trading punches in the 2nd
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Herby such an NFL whore now.
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Are you a dinosaur? You don't need "cable."
Get youtube TV for $70/mo and you get all the channels. Cox, Spectrum, DirecTV, etc are charging like $200/mo for similar content, AND THEY ONLY STAY IN BUSINESS BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE ELDERLY.
You can't pull youtube TV out of thin air with an antenna so you still need an ISP. Mine charges me $80/month. Add YoutubeTV or some other streaming service on top and it's $150/month-- which is exactly the same as what the cable provider (Spectrum) charges for a basic cable package with ESPN.
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The Utah qb2 has been worth about negative 14pts. Seems like he's totally Ill prepared
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You can't pull youtube TV out of thin air with an antenna so you still need an ISP. Mine charges me $80/month. Add YoutubeTV or some other streaming service on top and it's $150/month-- which is exactly the same as what the cable provider (Spectrum) charges for a basic cable package with ESPN.
yes, but yer gonna have that $80/month internet bill regardless
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yes, but yer gonna have that $80/month internet bill regardless
So? Since the only available ISP is also the only available cable provider in my area, it's a wash.
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Uhhh what?
internet + youtubeTV = 150ish
internet + cable = MORE
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Rawr!
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Uhhh what?
internet + youtubeTV = 150ish
internet + cable = MORE
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Rawr!
Yeah, no. Basic cable in my area through the only provider, is also around 150. That's a bundle with the internet, since the internet bandwidth also comes in on the cable.
You can choose not to have cable television, but then you'd have to replace it with Youtube TV or some other streaming TV content provider. So it costs the same either way. Which is exactly why they've priced it this way.
The only way to actually save money would be to cut the cord entirely and just get television over the air. Then I'd only be paying for the ISP which, as FF pointed out, I'd be paying for either way.
But of course, then I wouldn't have access to ESPN, which was the entire point of this discussion.
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SEC is 10-1 in semis in the playoff and has more NC's in the last 20 or so years than any conference. Pains to say it, but they are head and shoulders above the rest. Would be nice if the B1G could get it's sh&t together.
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I had a long response for that, but it's probably sufficient to say "It's not the SEC being head and shoulders above the rest, it's really just a small handful of teams in the SEC, and of those, only about two at a time at most."
I don't know that Vanderbilt is better than Northwestern, or Clanga is better than Illinois, for example.
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I had a long response for that, but it's probably sufficient to say "It's not the SEC being head and shoulders above the rest, it's really just a small handful of teams in the SEC, and of those, only about two at a time at most."
I don't know that Vanderbilt is better than Northwestern, or Clanga is better than Illinois, for example.
Bama has been far and away the most dominant team in CFB for 15 years. Saban's run there might be the most dominant in CFB history. UF was dominant under Urban for a nice 5 year run there and won 2 titles. Kirby has Georgia humming along and on track to be the new Bama and win back-to-back titles. Auburn bought itself a title with Cam Newton. LSU has won titles with 3 different coaches, and one of those guys can't coach a lick or complete a full coherent sentence. That's 5 teams by my count that have won big in the last 20 years or so roughy. Roughly 36% of the teams in the SEC have won titles.
B1G has just one team holding their own in that vein. Ohio State. That's it. One in 14 teams. 7%. Michigan got to the semis twice only to get dumped on and outside of that- had a lot of crap years with RichRod and Hoke. Penn State hasn't sniffed anything. Nebraska has fallen off the face of the earth.
I get geography helps SEC teams as more top end talent is there, but that's not the only reason why. You have teams that suck like A&M willing to go all in trying to win. Seems like the programs down there really do care more. It really does mean more.
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Seems like the programs down there really do care more. It really does mean more.
Not really Hugh Freeze loved Jesus more
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Not really Hugh Freeze loved Jesus more
nah you're confusing Jesus with hookers.
And no one loves Jesus quite like Dabo. He's got that on lock.
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I had a long response for that, but it's probably sufficient to say "It's not the SEC being head and shoulders above the rest, it's really just a small handful of teams in the SEC, and of those, only about two at a time at most."
I don't know that Vanderbilt is better than Northwestern, or Clanga is better than Illinois, for example.
Here's the thing about that: other conferences have either 0 or 1. So a "small handful" is a lot, actually.
It's not just Bama.
The top-end results show a depth that is unprecedented for any conference, ever.
Bama, Bama, Bama? Yes, but also 3 different NC programs in 3 years. 4 in 12 seasons. 5 in 14 season. 6 in 25 seasons. If those seem like unremarkable numbers, nope, they're UNPRECEDENTED.
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To match what the SEC has done in the past 3 seasons, guess how far back you have to go for other conferences?
B1G: 1965.....MSU's split NC 57 years ago
Want to include PSU, Nebraska, etc? It's still 1997. 25 years ago.
ACC: 1990.....GT's split NC 32 years ago
Want to include Miami, etc? It's still Miami in 2001. 21 years ago.
PAC: 1954.....UCLA's split NC 68 years ago
Want to include CU, etc? It's still CU in 1990. 32 years ago
B12: Technically 1939 or 1938....doesn't matter, the only teams to win anything between the Mississippi River and the Rocky Mtns are Texas, OU, and Nebraska. No depth, whatsoever.
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The SEC has had 6 different NCs more recently than any conference has had 3. The "Bama, Bama, Bama" narrative is lazy.
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ESPN is lazy
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Comparing the SEC to the Big Ten is a lot like comparing the Big Ten East to the Big Ten West. The champion always comes out of the East.
Yes, Ohio State dominates the East but 3 other teams in the East have managed to break through and win the Big Ten championship. Meanwhile the West has not managed to win one Big Ten CCG. Yet most years the East and West have roughly equal cross-division records. Not in 2022 and 2017, but most years they are close to equal.
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In many years, the SEC has six pretty good to great teams, and they often are the same six. This will generate helmetosity more than a conference with the same number of good to great teams that vary back and forth. There has been more flux in this of late, but over the past 40 years, it's mostly the same six.
Then people ignore Vandy et al. and "excuse" Tennessee for having a bad year (or five) ...
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Okay, but to clarify my earlier comment about a small handful of teams, and of those, usually only a couple at a time:
Does it matter that it's the same two teams dominating the Big Ten while a small rotating cast dominates the SEC?
I'd say the main argument in the SEC's favor there is that of the teams that top the conference at a given time, the SEC has more NC's to show for it.
But that's not the same thing as "the SEC is head and shoulders above the B1G," really.
I'd need more evidence that the middle of the pack and bottom feeders of both conferences favor the SEC. I'm not saying it's not there, I'm saying I don't know if it's there. Based on random games I watch and the eyeball test, I need statistical convincing that there's a difference beyond the top couple of teams at a time.
As far as giving the SEC only a couple at a time, my thinking is it's faulty reasoning to add up all the teams that have won something from the SEC over the 20 year time span mentioned, because those teams don't stay at the top at the same time in that span. Bama does, over a 15 year period, and another team often joins them, but they don't stay there.
Is that "better" than Ohio State and Michigan being at the top for 20 years? UGA certainly wasn't much "better" than Ohio State just now.
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Georgia football fans saw the best, not the worst, of Dawgs in Peach Bowl (dawnofthedawg.com) (https://dawnofthedawg.com/2023/01/04/georgia-football-best-worst-peach-bowl/?fbclid=IwAR38zVr8apMWKMkVD2Zg-LHIvKL3tWKZiMqu0pWUXP66nMLvw-j0-Gey42I)
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When you have six near helmet teams, a conference is going to look better, usually, than one with 2 consistent helmet teams. Let's say in a given year only Bama and UGA look elite, and OSU and UM look elite, to a lot of observers, that 11-2 Tenn team will look near elite, over a PSU team. And 10-4 LSU will look near elite too.
So, Auburn and Florida had down years, they'll be back, because they always have done that. It alters perceptions, and excuses, I think.
It doesn't matter that much to me, except for some notion about SOS, which in any event if very hard to guage.
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Whether someone think it matters or not, it's still a fact. When a conference has 1-2 top teams (as the B1G has had, for like 50 years now), it's not just a case of their succeeding, but of the other programs failing.
How good is Florida as a historical program? I don't know, but they're good enough to win 3 NCs in 12 seasons.
How good is, say, Michigan State's program? I don't know, but they're the 2nd-best program in their own state and that rival doesn't hold them in equal regard. No NCs. No Heismans.
I'm not lifting one program up or putting the other down, but those elite times for Florida, even if they're blips, go into the annals forever.
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When a conference has 4-5-6 teams whose peak is a NC, it's noteworthy. Even if it doesn't truly matter, it's still a fact and is a feather in its cap. When it comes to the SEC, it's just one of many feathers. #1 in recruiting, #1 in NCs, #1 in depth, #1 in NFL draft picks, etc.
Someone might find it offensive, but if you said the B1G is UM, OSU, and their harem of bitches, they wouldn't be wrong. At least, not when it comes to what the "other" programs have shown in terms of historical peak. Same with USC in the PAC. Same with Nebraska + OU in the Big 8.
Cal has never mattered. Oregon State is about as stout as its mascot. Kansas is a rectangle of suck. If Texas Tech disbanded its program, no one would notice.
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I kid, but if 10+ programs can be held under the boot of 1-2 programs, that's not a great conference. If you're not in a great conference, you're not maximizing the respect you want. For a very long time, the SEC was under Alabama + Tennessee. They absolutely dominated the rest of the conference for decades.
And there is a chasm between those who have won the SEC and those who haven't. There are 6 that have and 6 (now 8) that haven't. That's in a 30-year sample.
The B1G has as much diversity in that time frame as the SEC, but lacks the elite, top-end NC team seasons. How much of that is luck vs something deeper? I don't know. But it's happened.
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*2 of those SEC losses were to other SEC teams, lol
12-3 vs non-SEC teams
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UGA is doing their part, 3-0 (so far) against nonSEC teams in the CFP ... so far...
I'd note two of those games were razor close historic games ...
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Bowls, as meaningless as they come across and for as poorly as they are attended, are nevertheless ratings monsters:
Bowl viewership ratings are in. In these days of cord cutting and streaming these are rather steep ratings for any sort of scheduled programming. The highest Cable News programming (Carlson, Maddow) rarely top over 3 million. Most of these Bowl ratings dwarf scripted sitcoms, regular season NBA broadcasts, and the late night shows. To think 2.5M stayed up that late on a weeknight to catch Wisconsin and Oklahoma St, or 2M viewers tuned into the New Mexico Bowl for BYU/SMU, many of whom lilely hadn't watched either team play all season, well, I find that remarkable.
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Bowl viewership ratings are in. In these days of cord cutting and streaming these are rather steep ratings for any sort of scheduled programming.
do you know that these ratings do NOT include streaming services?
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do you know that these ratings do NOT include streaming services?
It appears they do NOT include streaming viewership. These numbers were pulled from a "Top 150 Cable Telecasts" listing among programs like CNN Newsroom, Magnolia Table (Food Network), West Wing reruns (HLN), and Trolls World Tour (Nickelodeon), among others which wouldn't have coinciding streaming viewership.
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so, we can probably add 20% or more to those numbers
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Don't laugh at me for not knowing this, but how is data collected to show how many sets were tuned in to a channel/show/broadcast?
I know about Nielsen ratings, for example, but I have no idea how they do what they do and know what they know.
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back in the good ol daze, Nielsen and others would actually call the household on the landline phone and ask what you were watching
these days with IP TV most companies can track all of the information
even coax systems that have digital set tops can be tracked
I'm sure streaming services have this capability, but I wasn't in that side of the business
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Don't laugh at me for not knowing this, but how is data collected to show how many sets were tuned in to a channel/show/broadcast?
I know about Nielsen ratings, for example, but I have no idea how they do what they do and know what they know.
Facebook, Alexa, Siri, Cortana, and Google are always watching and listening. They know all.
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I heard China sells the data back to us.
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I heard China sells us the data back to us.
I mean sort of
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Don't laugh at me for not knowing this, but how is data collected to show how many sets were tuned in to a channel/show/broadcast?
I know about Nielsen ratings, for example, but I have no idea how they do what they do and know what they know.
They select a sampling of people and put boxes in their homes that track their viewership.
You might get paid for it? In any case, it'll all go digital at some point, and then that might be that.
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so didn't know where to put this and just thinking out-loud....is Bama about to have a way down year in '23?
They haven't really attacked the portal and gotten difference makers like they did when they got Jameson Williams and Jahyr Gibbs in back to back off-seasons. Still early so we'll see on that.
They are losing what I think is by far the best QB that Saban has ever had in Bryce Young and the best defensive player he's probably ever had in Will Anderson Jr. Not to mention they lost their best OL to the portal to Miami. Not to mention they are also losing the one true difference maker they had on offense to the NFL in Gibbs.
Is Bama gonna stink next year? Ok, maybe not stink. Nick is too good a coach and there is too much talent to be awful. But this year was considered a down year for Bama- no trip to the SEC 'chip, no playoff appearance.
Could they be looking at 8-9 wins max next year?
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we can only hope
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HS All-American game on right now. 5* QB Dante Moore looking amazing. Sucks that he's from Detroit and Harbaugh couldn't get him.
Lloyd Carr's grandson in the '24 class is mid. Overrated af. Not even a 4* kid imo. Moore is a legit 5* QB. Sucks losing him to freaking UCLA. The real prize of Michigan prep QBs is Bryce Underwood in '25 however. That kid is the best this state has ever produced. I'd take him over any HS QB recruit right now, and he just finished his sophomore season of HS football and oh by the way he's a year young for his grade. Already 6'3 ish, freakish athlete, rocket arm. Gonna suck hard when Harbaugh can't get him either. If he's even the coach in '25 that is.
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Sucks what being a 4* QB means now. I always took it to mean 5* could compete for immediate playing time. 4* and 3* needed to redshirt, but 4* were one QB cycle away from competing for the job, and 3* were probably two