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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on December 05, 2022, 02:38:39 PM
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Vegas has Michigan -9.5 with O/U at 59.5 pts.
Blake Corum had a meniscus surgery on his knee 4 days ago. That's a 4-6 week recovery. I remember Mario Manningham had that same surgery during the season for Michigan way back in the day and he was able to come back and play like 6 weeks later. Blake very likely won't be able to play in this one, but if Michigan does make it to the final dance by chance there may an outside shot Corum could give it a go in that one. Regardless Donovan Edwards should have that cast off his right hand by then.
TCU runs that 3-3-5 defense. Michigan used to run that during the RichRod years and well I hated it. Teams used to be able to line up and run right at it. TCU seems much better at running it then Michigan was however.
Should be a good, close hard fought game. TCU is better than people think imo. Max Duggan is a warrior, probably will be the 2nd best QB that Michigan has faced all season behind CJ Stroud.
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Donovan Edwards has only carried the ball 117 times (7.5 YPC) and he's had 47 of those carries with a cast on his broken right hand. He's pretty good.
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1599797495076253696?s=20&t=FfcXxv7MB9uBQ579lqPtTQ
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I'd be shocked if TCU wins, but they will probably make a game of it. Should be fun to watch.
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https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1599782395615379456?s=20&t=FfcXxv7MB9uBQ579lqPtTQ
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If TCU wins it wont shock me
Take TCU and the points
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If TCU wins it wont shock me
Take TCU and the points
I think we've seen the ceiling of where TCU's capabilities top out, and it's not enough to beat Michigan. Harbaugh is smart enough not to shoot himself in the foot and abandon his own running game like Sark did. The game will be close for the first half, and probably for 3 quarters, and then Michigan is just going to lean on them and out-talent/out-depth them in the 4th.
I'd take Michigan to cover because I believe they'll end up winning by a couple of TDs when all is said and done. And that's no slight to TCU, I just see the Wolverines as being in a different tier.
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I’ve watched enough of TCU to see they haven’t played a lot of great defenses. They are a pretty decent team, but who have they played with an elite defense? Kansas? Kansas State? Oklahoma? Baylor?
For that reason it’s tough to project an outcome. If they score quick and early, does Michigan make a mistake and change their game plan? I doubt it.
I wouldn’t like Michigan’s chances against Georgia, but TCU looks like a W
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I think we've seen the ceiling of where TCU's capabilities top out, and it's not enough to beat Michigan. Harbaugh is smart enough not to shoot himself in the foot and abandon his own running game like Sark did. The game will be close for the first half, and probably for 3 quarters, and then Michigan is just going to lean on them and out-talent/out-depth them in the 4th.
dude
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Well his coordinators are,jim just watches the game
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dude
Y'all are silly when you decide that a guy who's 25-1 in the regular season over the past 2 years is some kind of dummy. Or, does the B1G just suck THAT bad?
252 rushing yards against Ohio State? 225 rushing yards against Purdue?
He knows what to do. And he'll do it against TCU.
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I think we've seen the ceiling of where TCU's capabilities top out, and it's not enough to beat Michigan. Harbaugh is smart enough not to shoot himself in the foot and abandon his own running game like Sark did. The game will be close for the first half, and probably for 3 quarters, and then Michigan is just going to lean on them and out-talent/out-depth them in the 4th.
I'd take Michigan to cover because I believe they'll end up winning by a couple of TDs when all is said and done. And that's no slight to TCU, I just see the Wolverines as being in a different tier.
I basically see it like you do. I’m going to be pulling for them but I’ll be surprised if they win this one.
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My guess is UGA would be a 3-4 point favorite over Michigan, so maybe 13 over TCU, and 7 over Ohio State, about. The committee is not apparently influenced much by betting lines. I find betting lines "interesting" (though I don't bet) and insightful, but of course often or always nearly wrong. I agree with the notion that it stays close for a half plus and then UM wears them down. I don't know how deep the TCU defense is but you really have to sub a lot at this level of play.
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https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1600137233553625089?s=20&t=rHSpd_tmzX_vNe9wo3GWqA
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he's the best talent at the position that I've seen at Michigan since Drew Henson, and I don't think it's particularly close. Kid has big time natural ability, really good, twitchy athlete with high level arm strength. Some of the throws he can make are just jaw dropping- like you have to have serious arm strength to make some of the throws he makes. He's like Diet Henson. Not as big- Henson was like 6'4, 230+, little bit less arm strength than Henson but probably a little bit faster/athletic.
66% completion with 20 TD passes vs 3 INT's in his first season to go along with another 5 rushing TD's in 12 starts ain't that bad. He needs to get more consistent on his deep balls and better at reading the defense- but he's still super young. He also missed all of spring ball with a shoulder injury and when he was ready for fall camp he had to split reps with the 1's with Cade in what was an open competition with splitting reps with the 1's that lasted til week 3 of this season.
With a full year of starting under his belt, the bowl practices, spring practices, and getting ALL the reps with the 1's from now on- think this kid is poised to take a leap in his development as a player in 2023.
https://youtu.be/uSE8vpXXdcU
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Does anyone have Michigan scoring in semi-competitive games only by quarter? My guess is the fourth could be insightful.
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Does anyone have Michigan scoring in semi-competitive games only by quarter? My guess is the fourth could be insightful.
they’ve been a 2nd half team for sure. Lot of the games were close in the first half then in the 2nd half they bury teams.
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Not as big- Henson was like 6'4, 230+, little bit less arm strength than Henson but probably a little bit faster/athletic.
a lot faster & more mobile than Henson
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a lot more mobile than Henson
Henson was pretty damn mobile. He had some wheels now.
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they’ve been a 2nd half team for sure. Lot of the games were close in the first half then in the 2nd half they bury teams.
Yeah, I think just taking the live halftime line for Michigan would've been very profitable this year. I jumped on the bandwagon with Michigan -7.5 vs. Purdue.
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best pass rush win rate of players in the playoff...
https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/1600506668642717705?s=20&t=aoXhcR0ocCBEjsqdg6eqzQ
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where's the SEC?
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where's the SEC?
The SEC plays against teams with awesome OLs so you wouldn't expect much here ....
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where's the SEC?
Georgia is a suffocating defense, but don't really think they're known for the pass rushers this year.
As for the two guys at Michigan, Mike Morris is from South Florida and is the son of a former NFL player- got the genetics and definitely looks the part at 6'6, 290. Eyabi Okie was a former 5* #3 player overall in the nation and the #1 DE recruit when he signed with Bama. These are both talented dudes who will both play on Sundays. Mel Kiper has Morris on his Big Board in the 1st rd of the 2023 draft. Okie could play himself into that status with a big senior year next year. Okie had off-field issues derail his career, believe he was kicked out of Bama and Houston. Good to see him get his sh*t together and his career back on track. He's been shockingly good for a kid who missed basically all of fall camp and got to Michigan a week before the season started.
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Max Duggan was the 3rd most pressured QB in the B12 this season- nearly 33% of his snaps be was pressured. Hopefully Mike Morris is back in time.
https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/1597292992200597505?s=20&t=aoXhcR0ocCBEjsqdg6eqzQ
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Just imagine what Michigan can do to him if those Big 12 defenses pressured him so much :)
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https://twitter.com/JoeMooreAward/status/1600535497318846464?s=20&t=SjrVUAoipgQJ1ma-bMEJaA
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advanced stats gives Michigan 69% win probability and predicts them defeating TCU to the score 31-24.
https://twitter.com/statsowar/status/1600499713052409858?s=20&t=v_IZDvaVSw6nQMUixIhT-w
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https://twitter.com/SportSourceA/status/1600552367119704070?s=20&t=Nu_gAaqF6WTZ9ogdWfh-gA
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Tcu will be overmatched in this one.
Halftime will be 21-10. Final 37-24 and not that close.
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Tcu will be overmatched in this one.
Halftime will be 21-10. Final 37-24 and not that close.
honestly with the way Michigan has played all year, could see TCU being up by that score at the half and Michigan winning the game by that score.
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honestly with the way Michigan has played all year, could see TCU being up by that score at the half and Michigan winning the game by that score.
As I recall, TCU is also more of a second-half team. It should be interesting.
For about 3/4.
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We all see how depth can carry the day in a playoff (or other high level game). Saban basically "invented" this (I know he didn't, but he made it notable recently.) Smart has duplicated that strategy, and I think Michigan is there as well. Ohio State has always had good depth.
So, we see games close at the half and then one side wears out. I see the portal thread and wonder how teams can realistically maintain much depth.
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https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1600627967079555072?s=20&t=eNgegjNWPVsr5NVFAsrfRg
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TCU got to the final 4 by being a great team in a mediocre conference. Michigan has better athletes at every position, faster, and more depth. I’m sure Sonny Dykes is a fine coach, but unless Michigan doesn’t even practice for a month the equation is already written, you just need to solve the variables at this point. And if by some miracle they get past Michigan ( they won’t ) UGA will eat them up like chopped liver.
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TCU got to the final 4 by being a great team in a mediocre conference. Michigan has better athletes at every position, faster, and more depth. I’m sure Sonny Dykes is a fine coach, but unless Michigan doesn’t even practice for a month the equation is already written, you just need to solve the variables at this point. And if by some miracle they get past Michigan ( they won’t ) UGA will eat them up like chopped liver.
I don't think the difference is really at the skill athletes, and TCU most definitely has better WR athletes/talent than Michigan, don't think that one is even close. Biggest difference is probably the line of scrimmage guys- and that's where the game is usually won and lost. Michigan had a really good OL last year- this years is better. Because: Olu Oluwatimi- the 2021 All-American & Rimington runner up center they got from Virginia to transfer in might just be the best center in CFB this year imo. He took an already really good OL from a year ago that returned 3 starters up to another level. And Michigan has really good depth at OL as well- best depth on the OL that they've had in the Harbaugh era.
And then on defense they have some dudes on that front. Mike Morris at EDGE is 6'6, 290 with a six pack and can move for a guy his size- son of a former NFL player- just got them genetics. Mel Kiper has him on his big board in the 1st rd. Mazi Smith at DT is 6'3, 337 lbs., was a former 4* top 100 recruit, Kiper has him as the #4 DT and going in the 2nd rd. They have lot of guys they rotate on that DL, Kris Jenkins (6'3, 285 lbs) and Rayshaun Benny (6'4, 292 lbs) have been really solid but their pair of true frosh DT's have been really good. Mason Graham at 6'3, 317 has been a starter as a true frosh at DT and been dominant at times- made bunch of Freshman All-American 1st team lists. Then their true frosh #2 NT Kenneth Grant who backs up Mazi Smith is probably the freakiest dude they have on their DL- he's 6'4, 350+ and freakishly big and strong. And then the depth they have at EDGE is pretty impressive too. Eyabi Okie (6'5, 245 lbs., former 5* 'croot), Braiden McGregor (6'6, 270 lbs., former 4* top 100 overall 'croot), and Derrick Moore (6'3, 279 lbs., 4* former top 50 overall 'croot, UnderArmour HS All-Star MVP) - all get in that rotation and are dudes. They rotate lot of defensive tackles and EDGE guys and stay fresh and just kinda wear teams down in the 2nd half.
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I'm interested to see if last weeks game vs a good QB in Aidan O'Connell and a really really good WR in Charlie Jones in which the true frosh 5* Frosh All-American CB Will Johnson acquitted himself really well and made 2 big time interceptions can spring board him into the playoffs with confidence and play his best football vs TCU's super talented WR's. Will Johnson still only a young true frosh pup but that kid is a future 1st rd pick 6'2/6'3, 200 lbs CB, great ball skills and athletic as can be. Super talented and has already played at a high level as a true frosh at maybe the hardest position to play outside of QB.
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This feels like 2015, for different reasons, when MSU got the 3 seed, because the committee knew they had to put Clemson #1, but thought Alabama was the best team, so the bumped MSU up to put them against Alabama, to give Alabama the easier matchup.
Nobody would put TCU #3, but they don't want a rematch.
Michigan by a million
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sounds like Edwards might have that damn cast on his right hand for the remainder of the playoffs. f@%k. There is a slim outside shot that Corum may be able to return for the national title game if Michigan is able to beat TCU.
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Michigan has won the Joe Moore Award for the nations best OL unit. This is their 2nd year in a row winning it. Olu Oluwatimi is really good. They don't sniff this award without him transferring in. That was the portal hit of the year for any team in 'Merica imo.
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Mazi Smith won’t be sentenced until after Fiesta Bowl following a misdemeanor weapons charge.
The senior defensive tackle for Michigan was arrested back in October for having a magazine that held twice the standard number of bullets for a Glock 19 handgun while at a traffic stop.
It has now been made aware by court records that Smith, who was originally set for sentencing on Dec. 29 has now been moved to Jan. 12.
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Going 53 in a residential try walking it backward but Jim and The AD should swing for the cover up.He had 59 bullets,3clips and he tried hiding it on the floor - read the 1st police report.Misdemeanor,sure big game let's keep sight of what's important,LMAO.Ya wanna brag your boyz up on field accomplishments fine, but don't piss down our back an tell us it's raining.Schembechler wouldn't even let him bak on the team.i hope fucks behave like that around your street 350 lb Giants packing - FFS,what an idiot
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Yes, he's an idiot. Didn't wait for his concealed carry permit paperwork to come through. The amount of ammo is meaningless. Could have had his car filled with ammo up to the window sills. A guilty plea to a misdemeanor sounds about right.
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The amount of ammo is meaningless. Could have had his car filled with ammo up to the window sills. A guilty plea to a misdemeanor sounds about right.
OH really,did you not see what happened in Virginia?3 dead,2 more still recovering,what if he had MAZI's stash? Pretty sure he may have kept plinking away. Look your Athletic dept swept it under the rug,and the fooking DA teaches at Michigan law School.Smith & Wesson hadn't yet applied for the permit,as you can't get into the shooting range w/o it and your driver's license - that he wasn't in the possession of either.Maybe the Cop's stopped a incident before one started
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TCU QB Max Duggan announces he's leaving for the NFL Draft. Seems like a weird time. Why not just wait til after the playoff?
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Ya it does WTF?Not exactly an endearing statement that says"I'm all in"
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I see it as a big decision he was getting questioned about by many.
make the decision, let everyone know and move on.
Get ready for Michigan
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OH really,did you not see what happened in Virginia?3 dead,2 more still recovering,what if he had MAZI's stash? Pretty sure he may have kept plinking away. Look your Athletic dept swept it under the rug,and the fooking DA teaches at Michigan law School.Smith & Wesson hadn't yet applied for the permit,as you can't get into the shooting range w/o it and your driver's license - that he wasn't in the possession of either.Maybe the Cop's stopped a incident before one started
now, that's a stretch
but, I understand it's Michigan yer stirring here
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I see it as a big decision he was getting questioned about by many.
make the decision, let everyone know and move on.
Get ready for Michigan
is it though? I don’t really think his NFL stock is all that high. Not like he’s Trevor Lawerence or Andrew Luck type prospect. He could easily just put it off til after playoff. Which is what any player should do imo.
Most of Michigan’s guys that could go NFL are locked in and won’t even discuss it til after the playoff.
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I don't think his decision or the timing of the announcement is meant for the NFL wonks
I'd guess his teammates, family, coaches, fans, and the press are wondering and he'd rather just get it out there and move on
focus on the game
but, I really have no idear
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now, that's a stretch
but, I understand it's Michigan yer stirring here
Not really,why in Ann Arbor of all places would you need 3 magazine's spread out on seats and a gun not cased?At any University? And speeding thru residential at that speed,just nothing done at all.Tressell got fired for not reporting players swapping BTC Rings for discounted tatoos.The worst thing he really did - IMO - was not throwing Reynolds off the team for the scrum involving Sorgi
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Ammo, magazines and tattoos, oh my!
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pushing court cases back for poor reasons is nothing new
let's just all agree that our programs are all in the big mud pit of "winning first"
it's ugly and it smells bad, but no one is above the rest (by too much)
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But others have been made to pay tOSU with JT,MSU for a fight they didn't start.But speeding,with illegal fire arms?.......
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LOL. Savoring every bit.
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But others have been made to pay tOSU with JT,MSU for a fight they didn't start.But speeding,with illegal fire arms?.......
life isn't fair
keep rowing the boat
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OH really,did you not see what happened in Virginia?3 dead,2 more still recovering,what if he had MAZI's stash? Pretty sure he may have kept plinking away. Look your Athletic dept swept it under the rug,and the fooking DA teaches at Michigan law School.Smith & Wesson hadn't yet applied for the permit,as you can't get into the shooting range w/o it and your driver's license - that he wasn't in the possession of either.Maybe the Cop's stopped a incident before one started
I think he means on legal grounds.
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idk who made this, but I'm here for it. Mike Sainistril went from being undrafted at WR and switching to play defense at the nickelback position and become a potential legit NFL draft pick. Kid never played defense, switched this spring and in his first year playing defense just playing way better than anyone could've possibly expected. So glad he's said he's going to comeback in '23. Will Johnson who was their best CB as a true frosh at one of the outside CB spots and Sainistril at the nickel gives me hope this secondary can be reallllly good in '23.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR3r1Sz-YPU
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https://twitter.com/TWH_Chris/status/1605354727889199104?s=20&t=UXLy1FqSMeIK2M3GAWAWOg
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They asked all 4 CFP QBs what their ultimate Christmas gift would be. JJ McCarthy said peace on Earth. 🤮 . Cue the SNL character "the girl you wish you hadn't started talking to at the party"
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Well if he actually meant it
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JJ actually seems like a great kid. He's donated a lot of his NIL money to UofM children's hospital. I think he's donated like $50k. He's into yoga and transcendental meditation. What 19 year old is into that stuff or would donate $50k to a childrens hospital? Different type of cat. Most 19 year olds in his position would be out partying, chasing ass, spending their NIL money on chains and rides and designer clothes.
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Michigan arrived in Arizona and some of the 2023 class early enrollees have traveled with the team and have participated in the bowl practices. Apparently this is a new rule. Kind of cool and let's the early enrollees get ahead of the curve even sooner.
The names all the boards/insiders keep buzzing about are 4* CB Jyaire Hill (6'1, 170) and 3* CB Cameron Calhoun (6', 170). Both these guys are already looking the part apparently. I thought Hill was going to wind up starting as a true frosh by the end of the year next year just like Will Johnson did. Looks like he's ahead of the curve. Michigan's best CB by far in '22 was a true frosh Will Johnson, their safety trio of Rod Moore, Makari Paige, & RJ Moten all return, nickelback Mike Sainistril has already said he's coming back for his 5th year, and we haven't even seen '22 top 100 'croots CB/Nickel Zeke Berry and S Keon Sabb yet. If DJ Turner comes back for his 5th year at CB, they'll be loaded with talent, experience, and depth in the secondary.
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Noticing quite a few "TCU doesn't even belong on the field" comments which I definitely recall hearing quite a lot of before the 2011 Rose Bowl.
I'm not saying TCU will win. But they absolutely can win. Michigan is the rightful favorite in this one but a TCU win shouldn't be that shocking either.
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Noticing quite a few "TCU doesn't even belong on the field" comments which I definitely recall hearing quite a lot of before the 2011 Rose Bowl.
I'm not saying TCU will win. But they absolutely can win. Michigan is the rightful favorite in this one but a TCU win shouldn't be that shocking either.
Good to see you, SDF.
I believe the appropriate commentary here on the CFB51 B1G forum is...
There's NO WAY TCU can beat the mighty all-powerful B1G team.
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Good to see you, SDF.
I believe the appropriate commentary here on the CFB51 B1G forum is...
There's NO WAY TCU can beat the mighty all-powerful B1G team.
I've gotten rusty in my absence.
There is absolutely NO WAY that TCU even hangs with the Wolverines for a single quarter let alone 4 of them.
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Michigan sophomore WR Andrel Anthony will be playing, after being limited in practice and recovering from an ankle injury apparently suffered toward the end of the regular season. He's Michigan's most talented WR imo. Really popped/flashed as a true frosh in moments last year. Has yet to do much of anything this year. He is one that could have a breakout game in the playoff. He's certainly very capable.
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TCU DB puts foot in mouth. Gives plenty of bulletin board material to a team that's already hungry...
https://www.maizenbrew.com/football/2022/12/29/23531038/michigan-football-fiesta-bowl-tcu-trevius-hodges-tomlinson
And dude...your team is not faster than Ohio State. Lol.
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I'll just go ahead and state the obvious-- if Michigan needs some silly "bulletin board material" to get up for this game, then they're in deep trouble.
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I'll just go ahead and state the obvious-- if Michigan needs some silly "bulletin board material" to get up for this game, then they're in deep trouble.
Oh I don't think they need any bulletin board material. But it does strike me as stupid for any player to pop off at the mouth 48 hrs before kickoff. That Michigan team is definitely on a mission after their epic fail in the semis last year. When the game was over and while most of that team had went off to the locker room, JJ McCarthy, Blake Corum, Donovan Edwards, and Andrel Anthony all stood on the field in full uniforms & pads and watched as the confetti was falling and Georgia was celebrating their victory in the semis. Blake Corum was shouting to the crowd top of his lungs, I promise you we'll be back next year. He's lived up to that promise. They didn't make it back all this way to not be ready to play. They've handled business all year, don't expect them to just stop going so close to the finish line.
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Football "predictions" and "analysis" is more than a cottage industry. And, I have yet to find an "expert" who can predict outcomes consistently. So, I mostly ignore them. A few can point to tendencies, or maybe strengths and weaknesses, fine, but actual outcomes? I find that simply too random in competitive games, by that I mean where the line is less than say 8 points. If someone can consistently beat "the line", they should bet, not prognosticate.
It's akin to the "financial/investing experts" on business sites. They say this and that and often are wrong, they seem no more right than random chance. Managed mutual funds often trail relevant market averages, and those who beat it one year don't the next.
It doesn't take very many random events to alter game outcomes.
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I give TCU a 30% chance to win. They’re a good to great team, but nowhere near elite. The level of competition in the Big 12 is just nowhere near the Power 2 of the B1G/SEC, and they still didn’t win the Big 12.
My feeling is that the game will start out slow, halftime will be 17-10 Michigan. By the end of the game I think Michigan will start to takeover, final score something like 42-24.
You have to give TCU credit, I thought their period of excellence would end wen Gary Patterson left.
I predict a UGA-Michigan final, with UGa coming out on top.
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I've learned my lesson with TCU. Badger fans, and maybe even the players and coaches, slept on them 11 years ago. It did not end well for Big Red.
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I've learned my lesson with TCU. Badger fans, and maybe even the players and coaches, slept on them 11 years ago. It did not end well for Big Red.
TCU can win this game, for sure.
I just don't think it's likely.
If both teams play their best, then I believe the Wolverines pull away to win pretty comfortably at the end.
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I've learned my lesson with TCU. Badger fans, and maybe even the players and coaches, slept on them 11 years ago. It did not end well for Big Red.
BB slept on them as in not paying any damn attention to the clock.Was over at a New Years Day Party and with 6-7 minutes left Bielema conducted a clinic on how not to manage a clock - maddening :banghead:
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Watching Kansas State, I would bet the line up on UM as high as possible. I don't see how TCU keeps it even a little close. If you can get it up to -13.5, do it
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Wouldn't one prefer a smaller line?
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Wouldn't one prefer a smaller line?
You get a better payout by betting it up
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Oh, I see what you mean. I see the UGA-OSU line has dropped to 5.
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Watching Kansas State, I would bet the line up on UM as high as possible. I don't see how TCU keeps it even a little close. If you can get it up to -13.5, do it
better turn on the game
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Watching Kansas State, I would bet the line up on UM as high as possible. I don't see how TCU keeps it even a little close. If you can get it up to -13.5, do it
Good call.
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Tcu is kicking Mich Ass.
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Tcu is kicking Mich Ass.
cool. what bowl is AssToMouth-U in this year again? do 4 win teams make bowl games? $30 million on the "#1 recruiting class ever" and can't even make a bowl game. Lol.
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I think Mdot is butt hurt
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Did Michigan leave its defensive unit home?
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Did Michigan leave its defensive unit home?
we're a Big 12 team now! #ConferenceRealignment.
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That was not the game I was expecting
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That was not the game I was expecting
not bad for the 2nd best team in the Big 12
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Playoff Twelving!
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DevilFroggy is happy. DevilFroggy will be even happier if TCU caps off their miracle season with the natty.
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DevilFroggy is happy. DevilFroggy will be even happier if TCU caps off their miracle season with the natty.
Well, DevilFroggy ain't gonna be happy cause TCU bout to get murdered by OSU or UGA.
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Well, DevilFroggy ain't gonna be happy cause TCU bout to get murdered by OSU or UGA.
A few here were saying that about TCU vs Michigan too.
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A few here were saying that about TCU vs Michigan too.
Those teams don't have brain dead CTE with the 'tism for coaches. They ain't gonna drop the ball and suck as much ass as Michigan's coaching staff did.
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Yeah, UM's OC was the biggest WTF in that game. I'm stunned UM was even close in the end.
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cool. what bowl is AssToMouth-U in this year again? do 4 win teams make bowl games? $30 million on the "#1 recruiting class ever" and can't even make a bowl game. Lol.
Butt hurt much? TCU flat out coached Michigan.
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Playoff Twelving!
Lulz that's just called "college football" nowadays. Welcome to 2008.
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A few here were saying that about TCU vs Michigan too.
Howdy, Happy New Year.
Did you see my warning about sleeping on TCU?
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I don't normally feel bad for Michigan, but it is interesting that both TCU and Ohio State got a 2nd chance after their first loss late in the season, while Michigan gets no 2nd chance after its first loss.
Oh well, I guess it's all about when you lose that matters, the 2007 Patriots being the best example of how that works.
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Ya 2007 good comparison jeebis I'm getting old,can we hit rewind?
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Obviously UM and OSU had great seasons by most metrics, but programs like those have higher aspirations. UM did beat OSU which is great for them.
We've all noted how tough it is when nearly the sole metric for your season is the NC. Anything less ...
I used to say it would be better to be a "Kansas State" fan, but they suddenly are pretty good...
Imagine being a TCU fan, I wonder if ANY of them realistically thought they'd get here.
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Kansas State fans would rather be playing in the CFP, too.
As you say, it's now become the sole goal for a "good season" in the mouths of the mediots, and that is reflected among the fan bases.
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I watched part of some early bowl game, maybe it was UAB and Akron or something, I was impressed how hard they were playing.
It was better than most NFL games. There were maybe a thousand fans. Maybe.
So, for some programs, a bowl game is a solid year I think. Georgia Tech fans would LOVE a bowl game.
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I watched part of some early bowl game, maybe it was UAB and Akron or something, I was impressed how hard they were playing.
It was better than most NFL games. There were maybe a thousand fans. Maybe.
So, for some programs, a bowl game is a solid year I think. Georgia Tech fans would LOVE a bowl game.
Maybe, but it's far more than just the top 5 or 6 teams who WANT to be in the final game of the CFP, regardless of whether or not they have any realistic chance at it.
Kansas State fans aren't satisfied with a B12 championship, while watching the team they beat to win it, play for all the marbles.
The mediots and 24-hour sports news cycle has turned it into this, sadly.
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I see the Bama coach is claiming they should be in the NC game. Maybe TCU could drop out and let Bama play?
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Maybe, but it's far more than just the top 5 or 6 teams who WANT to be in the final game of the CFP, regardless of whether or not they have any realistic chance at it.
Kansas State fans aren't satisfied with a B12 championship, while watching the team they beat to win it, play for all the marbles.
The mediots and 24-hour sports news cycle has turned it into this, sadly.
So, I think some of this has always been there in college sports. A lot of folks always wanted a bit more.
I assume some K-State fans are pissed about not being where TCU is. But I assume a lot are not. And that's the way it's always been. 20 years ago, UW fans were lamenting why they couldn't get over the hump, build on Rose Bowl wins, etc. I'll always remember after the 2010 MSU loss, a UW fan posted on an old Scout board a declaration that Bert would never get UW to a Rose Bowl.
And the only answer is to, A. Not care about what the whiny, never-happy people say. They've always been there and always been annoying (and not care about the ESPN meta narratives and such. We can all opt out of those). B. Find some joy. Like realistic joy. But still joy.
For me this UW season was trying, and certianly disappointing in aggregate. But the Purdue win was cool, and it was great seeing a team with every right to not care in the bowl go out and play hard in a win. Small fun moments have to carry you because in this sport, you're always one close game from being a little better.
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But I WANT to care about what thhe whiny never happy people say, it's my main thing, I NEED it.
I got on some Facebook Dawg site and it's constantly a battle between some fans who think the team is crap and others who think they are great. I only read some of it for entertainment.
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Howdy, Happy New Year.
Did you see my warning about sleeping on TCU?
I did, I know you remember.
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that was a tough one to swallow. I put 100% of the blame on Harbaugh and his DC Jesse Minter, JJ, and the defense. Absolute sh&t show of a clown show performance by the coaches and JJ made some costly mistakes and that defense forgot how to play defense in the 2nd half- when they had been shut out all season vs offenses with way more talent than TCU- ie Ohio State and Penn State.
Michigan ran for 232 yards at 6.7 YPC sack-adjusted. They put up 52 points if those refs didn't blow that call. You can win with that. What you CAN'T win with however is all the other bullsh&t that team did. That 4th and goal call from the two yard line will live in infamy and haunt Harbaugh forever. It is a 100% fireable offense for whichever dumbfk decided to call that horseshit. You either kick the FG there or you give JJ the option to hand it off, keep it, or roll out and throw it. Why on GODS earth they thought they could try a DOUBLE REVERSE to a FKING TRUE FROSH TIGHT END and have the TE try to throw a pass is fkng beyond me. Absolute coaching malpractice and whoever tried that sh*t should have their career publicly executed forever. And CTE-'Tism Jim should be fined a years salary for letting that call go through. Secondly, after that bullsh&t overturn TD call and having the ball from like the half-yard line, dumbfk CTE-'Tism Jim decided to hand the ball off to a fking converted LB'er who has been playing RB for all of 5 minutes- and the kid doesn't handle the exchange and fumbles the ball. You have a mobile QB idiot. The ball is from the half yard line. QB SNEAK IT ASSHOLE.
This passing offense is archaic and out-dated, they run WAY too much sh&t to the sidelines and throw WAY too many passes SHORT OF THE STICKS on 3rd downs. TCU was ALL over both, which is why they got TWO pick 6's and why Michigan had so much trouble converting 3rd downs. And when Michigan gets in the goal-line, the fking retard Harbaugh keeps calling these pass plays with routes SHORT OF THE FKING END ZONE. Hey JEEM MAYBE THROW THE BALL INTO THE FKING END ZONE AT THE GOAL LINE YOU DUMB ASSHOLE.
And then last but not least Minter really just crapped down his own leg. Instead of keeping everything in front of his players, he kept routinely sending pressure and Michigan kept whiffing on tackles and well when you send all out pressures and whiff on tackles- no safety valve is back there to prevent the play from going over your head. And instead of adjusting- asshole Minter kept just on going all out on pressures.
And last but not least, JJ played his ass off late, but big reason they were in that hole is because he threw TWO pick 6's. Kid threw 3 INT's all year, one of which was an absolute fluke vs Penn State, only to throw 2 pick 6's in the biggest game of his young career. Can't do that. As good as JJ played down the stretch, those two pick 6's and that final drive to try and get the go ahead TD were absolutely god awful and atrocious. JJ is super talented and super young- still only 19- not fkn 30 like Georgia's QB- think he's got huge NFL potential if he gets better- but 100% convinced Jim Harbaugh is NOT the guy to help him reach that potential.
JJ should be a warning to all 5* QB's. If you're a 5* QB, avoid Jim Harbaugh like the fkn plague.
Congrats on the win TCU. I am now 100% going to be rooting for you bible thumping asshole freaks to get slaughtered by Georgia.
GO DAWGS!
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Hey now, UGA fans thump bibles just as hard and are just as freaky.
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Line forms behind Dabo
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Congrats on the win TCU. I am now 100% going to be rooting for you bible thumping asshole freaks to get slaughtered by Georgia.
GO DAWGS!
lol
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Hey now, UGA fans thump bibles just as hard and are just as freaky.
yeah but it's not in the name of the school....Texas CHRISTIAN University....it's a religious school. UGA's only religion is football. I'm down with that.
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Awesome, bigotry is so cool.
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(https://i.imgur.com/MKamsnK.png)
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Mdot has gone to the dark side
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Mdot has gone to the dark side
He's always teetering on the edge of insanity. In the first quarter of the Michigan-Ohio State game, Harbaugh and the team were all a bunch of bums who needed to be fired and forced off the team. After that game, they were all of a sudden invincible world-beaters who might be the best team ever. There was zero chance that TCU had any business being on the same field with them. Now, after a loss, they're bums again.
This insistence on over-inflating the relative importance of successes, leads to a cognitive dissonance with the reality that Michigan was a good but not great team, and TCU was more than capable of beating them, without it being the fault of the coaching staff coming apart or whatever the current blame is, in his mind.
Just admitting that TCU is a really good team, and that Michigan wasn't the greatest team EVAR, would go a long way toward restoring balance to his mind. For his sake, I hope he can get to that point.
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The constant assertions of excess to either side is rather remarkable I think. Rarely do we see anyone characterized as "pretty decent" or "not that great".
Strokes for folks ...
I wonder if he is like that in "real life" ...
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TCU is a 15 point dog in the NC game
All these Georgia fans need to remember
There aint a horse that cant be rode and there aint a cowboy that cant be throwed
TCU is a very good team
are they better then Georgia nope
can they beat Georgia sure they can
as somebody once said about US Grant "He dont scare worth a damn" and neither does TCU
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I guess this means I'll hafta wear my lucky shirt ...
... and yes, certainly, this Dawg team has holes and can be beat. TCU caught a few breaks yesterday that don't always fall your way.
They were 8 for 16 on third down, UM was 3-13, which is a good sign for TCU of course. UGA was bad on third down.
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Mdot has gone to the dark side
Gone?
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Gone?
continues to reside?
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continues to reside?
Dude is flipping houses over there...
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Awesome, bigotry is so cool.
Depends on how by-the-book their biology classes are. :57:
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I’m no fan of tcu but I wouldn’t mind if they win it. Just be nice to get some new blood in there, plus I have no idea if their fans are obnoxious or not, I literally don’t know any.
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MDot's passionate,to football fandom what Carolina Reaper is to Chili heat
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I’m no fan of tcu but I wouldn’t mind if they win it. Just be nice to get some new blood in there, plus I have no idea if their fans are obnoxious or not, I literally don’t know any.
they are football fans living in Texas tied to a religious school
obnoxious is not the term
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Burnt Eyes aka Smokey was a little like MDot back in the day
a bit intense
and of course there were a few members of the Husker Prick Squad
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Burnt Eyes aka Smokey was a little like MDot back in the day
a bit intense
and of course there were a few members of the Husker Prick Squad
Reminds me most of Rattlesnake Boy. Nothing but highs or lows, no in-between. Remember when Hooky created a pseud who followed Rabid around, worshiping him but also exaggerating every single thing he did? That was funny.
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dern funny
yup, I still connect with Rabid once in a while
traveled to South Bend for the Husker win vs the Irish with him, his brother, and father way back in the good ol daze
great people
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Ya but Dahmer quit after a qtr the UNA Bomber got a PHD from Michigan
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smart guys go to Michigan???
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smart guys go to Michigan???
all we get are nakid bongo players at UT
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smart guys go to Michigan???
Leopold & Loeb,Dr Anderson,H. H. Holmes, one of the first documented serial killers in the US ,Madonna stopped for a cup of coffee
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all we get are nakid bongo players at UT
nothing to be proud of rusty
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I’m no fan of tcu but I wouldn’t mind if they win it. Just be nice to get some new blood in there, plus I have no idea if their fans are obnoxious or not, I literally don’t know any.
I don't know any bad ones, but I only know two - one of which has been on here for the first time in a long while.
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I played golf with a couple last week
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Dood's teeth are all yellow from eating boogers. You'd think he could afford a whitening with all that money.
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not yellow
maize
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nothing to be proud of rusty
Oh I guess that guy is... alright.
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Oh I guess that guy is... alright.
I was wondering if anyone would get it
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I know who he is...
I'm not a fan
not that there's anything wrong with him
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Matty's pretty cool. He teaches at UT, just like your closet-horn brother did.
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https://twitter.com/JToussaint28/status/1609332668952461317?t=YCwCKIk_NEZuCopeSTJlIA&s=19
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Hard to win a game when the other team scores 50+ points. And you give them two pick 6es. And, the refs take a TD away.
Good luck to TCU.
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Hard to win a game when the other team scores 50+ points. And you give them two pick 6es. And, the refs take a TD away.
Good luck to TCU.
TTUN had two trips inside the two that resulted in no points. and two pick sixes. That's a 28 point swing.
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https://twitter.com/JToussaint28/status/1609332668952461317?t=YCwCKIk_NEZuCopeSTJlIA&s=19
His GF prolly enters the portal
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TTUN had two trips inside the two that resulted in no points. and two pick sixes. That's a 28 point swing.
OK, what is TTUN? I have not seen that before.
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OK, what is TTUN? I have not seen that before.
It's what buckeye fans call Michigan. It's their version of "t.u."
I have no idea what it stands for though.
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THAT TEAM UP NORTH
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OK, what is TTUN? I have not seen that before.
Woody refused to utter the word Michigan, so it was always TTUN or TSUN.
That ____ up North.
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TTUN had two trips inside the two that resulted in no points. and two pick sixes. That's a 28 point swing.
Yup. Can't give TCU 14 points like that and expect to win. TCU's offense scored 37. Their defense scored 14. And then Michigan tripped all over their own dicks inside the 2 yard line not once but TWICE.
Yes the overturn TD call was BAD. But you had the ball at the half yard line. On a 1st goal. Run the damn QB sneak up the middle 4 times until you get it. You're gonna get it. Instead Jeem decides to hand the ball off to a LB'er who has played RB all of 10 minutes. Kalel Mullings is not a RB. He's a LB. Why even put him in that situation? Run the freaking QB sneak and call it a day. That's piss poor coaching and terrible situational football.
Don't even get me started on the trick play on 4th and goal from the 2 yard line. JFC. That play call was a fireable offense. You do a double reverse to a true freshman TIGHT END and give the TE a trick play where he passes the ball. WTF is that THAT garbage? Worst coaching/play-call/situational football I think I have ever seen in my god damn life. It was disgustingly retarded. But that's Jim Harbaugh for you. Certified retard shit. Kick the FG and take the points or just I don't know...run a regular play and put the ball in your athletic QB's hands and not a lumbering 6'7 true frosh TE?
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Mdot you're assuming if they'd call different plays UM wins. For all we know it could have been worse, JJ is still on the hook for 2 bad throws/decisions. He should have tucked it and ran.TCU came to play sometimes just gotta tip your hat
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Mdot you're assuming if they'd call different plays UM wins. For all we know it could have been worse, JJ is still on the hook for 2 bad throws/decisions. He should have tucked it and ran.TCU came to play sometimes just gotta tip your hat
I'm not assuming anything.
If Jeem takes the points, his automatic FG kicker makes that chip shot, that's 3 pts. If Jeem just runs QB SNEAK FROM THE HALF YARD LINE that's 7 pts, automatic. That's 10 points not on the scoreboard for Michigan all bc of Jeem's piss poor coaching decisions.
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I'm not assuming anything.
If Jeem takes the points, his automatic FG kicker makes that chip shot, that's 3 pts. If Jeem just runs QB SNEAK FROM THE HALF YARD LINE that's 7 pts, automatic. That's 10 points not on the scoreboard for Michigan all bc of Jeem's piss poor coaching decisions.
Yes you are and you don't know!!! look at the last hike from the center could have happened on your mythical "automatic FG". There is a plethora of scenarios and you embrace certain ones as gospel - the ones that work out in your favor. And Jim didn't fumble at the goal line behind a line that should held back they guy that did. Michigan got out played it wasn't automatic anything, from what i saw the Frogg defense shot the gaps with speed and got push when on the lines when they needed it. And you disregard Duggan's 2 stupid picks
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nothing is for sure in football, but I'd pin the loss on Jimmy and his offensive playcaller
more so than the O-line, or the QB or even the defensive secondary
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well perhaps but he always thought UM was the real NC in '97. And stop it pot Stirrer :character0029:
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Jimmy probably thought he should have beaten Iowa in Kinnick in 85
the fox, Hayden Fry kicked 4 FGs and played defense
probably where Ferentz learned that offense is overrated
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And Brian.....well the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree
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It's what buckeye fans call Michigan. It's their version of "t.u."
I have no idea what it stands for though.
surely you jest.....even I knew that one.
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honestly the ttun abs xichigan stuff kinda dumb. It’s ok to say and spell Michigan guys. You’re not gonna die.
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surely you jest.....even I knew that one.
Don't call him Shirley,and most fans aren't into the Xing out the M or that silly crap,mostly bandwagoners
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surely you jest.....even I knew that one.
I knew it was something about being up north. Honestly I think that kind of stuff is silly and stupid, like the ags calling us "t.u." and "t-sips" so I don't really pay much attention to it.
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I knew it was something about being up north. Honestly I think that kind of stuff is silly and stupid, like the ags calling us "t.u." and "t-sips" so I don't really pay much attention to it.
Well if you're gonna join the SEC, you'll never fit in if you don't learn to call us the supremely lame "LSWho?" and/or corndogs.
Which.....why Auburn ever thought corndogs were an insult is beyond me. Corndogs are delicious. But what else do you expect from people who stole Colorado's attempted insult about Nebraska and somehow successfully applied it to us?
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Well if you're gonna join the SEC, you'll never fit in if you don't learn to call us the supremely lame "LSWho?" and/or corndogs.
Which.....why Auburn ever thought corndogs were an insult is beyond me. Corndogs are delicious. But what else do you expect from people who stole Colorado's attempted insult about Nebraska and somehow successfully applied it to us?
As I've stated many times, folks are going to be VERY disappointed in my "SEC fan-ness." ;)
And yes, I'd take great pride in being referred to as the corndogs. As you say, they are delicious.
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I knew it was something about being up north. Honestly I think that kind of stuff is silly and stupid, like the ags calling us "t.u." and "t-sips" so I don't really pay much attention to it.
silly and stoopid
like Ann Arbor is a whore?
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silly and stoopid
like Ann Arbor is a whore?
If that's something they say, well then, yes.
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I only saw it here with this crew, but I have to admit I always found it pretty funny when the OSU guys referred to Lloyd Carr as LLLLLoyd and kept the number of L's running for every year of victory.
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I only saw it here with this crew, but I have to admit I always found it pretty funny when the OSU guys referred to Lloyd Carr as LLLLLoyd and kept the number of L's running for every year of victory.
Heh... that's pretty funny, actually.
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There are a few events that are amusing, not so much the name calling, but "Punt Bama Punt" was a great cheer.
"You can't spell Citrus without U-T"