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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on August 11, 2017, 12:42:49 PM
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Cowboys chances take a big hit with with the league handing down a 6 game suspension to Zeke Elliott for domestic abuse
They have Giants, @Broncos, @Cardinals and Packers all in the first five weeks.
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And it seems like the Bills gave up on Sammy Watkins ever staying healthy. Seems like they essentially gave him to LA.
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Cowboys chances take a big hit with with the league handing down a 6 game suspension to Zeke Elliott for domestic abuse
They have Giants, @Broncos, @Cardinals and Packers all in the first five weeks.
Good for Jerry
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Cowboys chances take a big hit with with the league handing down a 6 game suspension to Zeke Elliott for domestic abuse
They have Giants, @Broncos, @Cardinals and Packers all in the first five weeks.
Yup, gonna be a tough road for the Cowboys.
I don't know much about this case, but I loathe domestic violence/women abuse, so it's possible 6 games isn't even enough.
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Think Bills were smart to cut bait on Watkins for a second round pick. They already declined his option so he's a free agent after this season anyway, and they aren't going to be any good for a bit. A little surprised they got rid of Darby, though.
Re: Zeke, who knows. The problem with the NFL is it is tough to have any confidence in their investigations. Is this the result of a thorough investigation? Or did they make their mind up and find facts to help them get there? Did they just roll some dice? Who knows.
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Obvious first preseason game caveat and all but T.J. Watt looked really, really good last night.
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The Jets so obviously wanting nothing to do with this upcoming season, releasing bunches of experienced players to tank the season for the sake of drafting high enough for on of the big name QBs - Darnold, Rosen, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson - and for the sake of good riddance to their coach
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New England Patriots WR Julian Edelman tore his ACL in the pre-season against the Detroit Lions. Out for the season.
I think it's time for NFL teams to not even play the well established starters past the first game of the pre-season. It should be strictly for rookies/guys trying to make the team. Why risk it?
Can Brady ever go a single year without one of his major weapons not getting injured? Gronk was gone for 3/4ths of last year if you include the playoffs, now Edelman will be gone for this entire year. That's a HUGE blow.
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Yeah, it was rough for Brady last year... His arms must be getting tired from lugging that extra ring around lol...
But I get your point... My fantasy league has our draft this Monday, so hopefully teams will be resting their starters on Thursday. One of our guys is in another league and drafted a week ago and picked up Spencer Ware, which now isn't looking very good for him.
Some people are making a thing about Le'veon Bell staying out of camp. But you know what? He's going to be a stud whether he spends any time in preseason or not. He knows the playbook. He knows his blocking responsibilities. He knows how to run the football. He won't benefit from these "tune-up games". And he didn't risk an ACL tear like Edelman or another knee injury like Ware.
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Yeah, it was rough for Brady last year... His arms must be getting tired from lugging that extra ring around lol...
But I get your point... My fantasy league has our draft this Monday, so hopefully teams will be resting their starters on Thursday. One of our guys is in another league and drafted a week ago and picked up Spencer Ware, which now isn't looking very good for him.
Some people are making a thing about Le'veon Bell staying out of camp. But you know what? He's going to be a stud whether he spends any time in preseason or not. He knows the playbook. He knows his blocking responsibilities. He knows how to run the football. He won't benefit from these "tune-up games". And he didn't risk an ACL tear like Edelman or another knee injury like Ware.
Lol. My point was just that seems like every year the guy loses a weapon. But just keeps on going. He can play with anybody and make them good. Pre-season is a joke. First two should just be 7on7's and they should cut it down to 2 exhibition games and they should barely play the veteran starters in the first game and the last one just play the rookies and fringe guys trying to make the team.
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Like the discussion about the Vontaze Burfict rule. Honestly, the NFL should just outlaw hard hits, because the micromanaging is frustrating.
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Was he at least trying to injure a guy not on his own team this time?
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Pro Bowl CB Joe Haden cut by the Cleveland Browns. Wow. His performance has slipped, and he was always kind of overrated to begin with in my opinion, but that's still a bit of a shocker.
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I think it's a money thing. He's worth a roster spot, but he's not worth eating up $11 million of your cap space.
They asked him to take a pay cut, and he said no, but at this point who would want him at that rate, and even if you did, who has $11 million in cap space?
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I think it's a money thing. He's worth a roster spot, but he's not worth eating up $11 million of your cap space.
They asked him to take a pay cut, and he said no, but at this point who would want him at that rate, and even if you did, who has $11 million in cap space?
Exactly. Even at his very best he was never as good as he was hyped up to be- but he was still a very good, top 10-15 CB. He's not what he used to be and definitely not worth the money he was owed but it's kind of a shocker because it's not like the Browns need the cap space for this season and also- because well the Browns suck and they need every bit of talent they can get their hands on.
Cowboys would be a good fit if they can make it work and Haden isn't delusional about the money demands. They are so young in the secondary and need all of the help they can get.
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in other NFL news....
Detroit Lions give Matthew Stafford the biggest contract in NFL history. 5 years, $135 million with a $50 million signing bonus, and $92 million guaranteed. Yikes. Feel like they had to do it. It's the new normal. NFL QB contracts are just going to get bigger and bigger. They guaranteed almost 70% of the contract- which I am fine with. I think that should be a baseline for all NFL contracts. NBA/MLB contracts are for the most part fully guaranteed- and the level of risk is NOWHERE near what it is in the NFL.
also....
Browns named rookie QB DeShone Kizer the starter. Not a shocker at all if you look at who they have at QB on their roster. Kizer is easily the most talented guy they have at QB. Might as well roll with him now and let him take his lumps early.
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in other NFL news.... Detroit Lions give Matthew Stafford the biggest contract in NFL history. 5 years, $135 million with a $50 million signing bonus, and $92 million guaranteed. Yikes. Feel like they had to do it. It's the new normal. NFL QB contracts are just going to get bigger and bigger. They guaranteed almost 70% of the contract- which I am fine with. I think that should be a baseline for all NFL contracts. NBA/MLB contracts are for the most part fully guaranteed- and the level of risk is NOWHERE near what it is in the NFL. also.... Browns named rookie QB DeShone Kizer the starter. Not a shocker at all if you look at who they have at QB on their roster. Kizer is easily the most talented guy they have at QB. Might as well roll with him now and let him take his lumps early.
No question they had to. By Year 5, that probably won't even be a top 10 QB contract anyway
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No question they had to. By Year 5, that probably won't even be a top 10 QB contract anyway
Yup. They'll up the salary cap and it's just going to turn into a QB arms race. Next big QB contract will be bigger. Hell Derek Carr's was the biggest and not even a month later Stafford's contract out-does his. And I actually liked the fact that they guaranteed so much of the contract. NFL teams should be forced to guarantee a higher % of contracts.
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Exactly. Even at his very best he was never as good as he was hyped up to be- but he was still a very good, top 10-15 CB. He's not what he used to be and definitely not worth the money he was owed but it's kind of a shocker because it's not like the Browns need the cap space for this season and also- because well the Browns suck and they need every bit of talent they can get their hands on. Cowboys would be a good fit if they can make it work and Haden isn't delusional about the money demands. They are so young in the secondary and need all of the help they can get.
Schefter saying the Steelers are the favorites to land him.
Secondary probably their biggest weakness. Probably just solidifies them as the Patriots' biggest threat to come out of the AFC again Although, per PFF, his trajectory has not been good. His rank among NFL corners
2010: #7
2011: #18
2012: #16
2013: #20
2014: #27
2015: INJ
2016: #88
Even still, if you can get him to be a legit #2 CB, that's a win.
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Damn, Haden to Pittsburgh. Turned down bigger offers elsewhere.
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Damn, Haden to Pittsburgh. Turned down bigger offers elsewhere.
He gets to face an elite QB and WR in practice every week to hone his game. Iron sharpens iron. Didn't really have that luxury in Cleveland. He gets to play for a winner that is a lock to win it's division and make a playoff run. Also gets to stick it to his old team twice a year.
Good move for him all around if you ask me.
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Don't think it's enough to jump New England, particularly if the have to go to Foxboro in January, but should solidify a bye.
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Don't think it's enough to jump New England, particularly if the have to go to Foxboro in January, but should solidify a bye.
The Edelman loss was huge. He was Brady's go to guy when the Pats absolutely needed a big play, and he was the chain mover on 3rd down that kept drives alive.
It really all depends on Gronk though. If he can actually stay healthy throughout the playoffs it will not matter one bit that Edelman is not there. Gronk is the hardest cover in the NFL. He changes how defenses have to cover more than any other player since like Megatron or Randy Moss. Very few guys like that in NFL history- that are just so freakish and so vastly superior to virtually everybody lined up across from them. If Gronk is a go throughout the playoffs and is close to 100% the Patriots are winning the Super Bowl again. Pretty big if though, because that dude is made of glass.
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This Zeke thing just took a turn for the bizarre. Apparently the lead investigator, who interviewed the victim multiple times, wrote a report saying the victim wasn't credible and recommending no suspension. But then apparently that report wasn't given to Goodell, and the investigator was frozen out of the process after writing it.
I am amazed at how much work the NFL does to bungle investigations.
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This Zeke thing just took a turn for the bizarre. Apparently the lead investigator, who interviewed the victim multiple times, wrote a report saying the victim wasn't credible and recommending no suspension. But then apparently that report wasn't given to Goodell, and the investigator was frozen out of the process after writing it.
I am amazed at how much work the NFL does to bungle investigations.
never under-estimate the incompetency of Roger Goodell.
I hope the suspension gets over-turned. All those people who picked up Zeke in their fantasy drafts in the late rounds are going to be striking gold if it does lol.
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This Zeke thing just took a turn for the bizarre. Apparently the lead investigator, who interviewed the victim multiple times, wrote a report saying the victim wasn't credible and recommending no suspension. But then apparently that report wasn't given to Goodell, and the investigator was frozen out of the process after writing it.
I am amazed at how much work the NFL does to bungle investigations.
never under-estimate the incompetency of Roger Goodell.
I hope the suspension gets over-turned. All those people who picked up Zeke in their fantasy drafts in the late rounds are going to be striking gold if it does lol.
He went pretty early in our draft... My girlfriend picked up Darren McFadden in a later round to get some good early weeks out of him, so she's hoping the suspension sticks lol
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NY Jets trade DL Sheldon Richardson to the Seahawks for #2 WR Jermaine Kearse and a 2018 2nd round pick.
That's a hell of a deal for the Seahawks if Richardson buys in and stays out of trouble. He is an infinitely more talented defensive linemen than Kearse is a WR. Kearse is mediocre. At best. Losing a 2nd round pick sucks, but that's more like an early 3rd considering where the Seahawks will be picking.
They already have Michael Bennett, who is among the very best defensive linemen in the NFL, and Frank Clark made a pretty big leap in his 2nd year and had 10 sacks as he got more playing time- he'll make another jump this year with a healthy Bennett and a newly acquired Richardson demanding attention.
A scary Seahawks defense just got a lot scarier.
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The Jets aren't even pretending to not be all in on Darnold
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The Jets aren't even pretending to not be all in on Darnold
yup.
If I'm Darnold I stay in school. No thanks on the Jets. What a mess that organization is.
If Malik McDowell hadn't been messing around on that ATV really think he would've saw a lot of minutes for the Seahawks as a rookie as he is extremely talented. Now it sounds like he might not even play this year at all and possibly might not ever play again. Hate to hear that.
If the Seahawks OL improves they will find themselves in the Super Bowl. I think. That defense is going to be lights out with the addition of Richardson. Russell Wilson is going into the season fully healthy. And with Thomas Rawls coming back healthy and the signing of a slimmed down Eddie Lacy- they have the RB's to ground out the tough yards. It all comes down to their OL. They get even above average OL play, I think they are in the Super Bowl.
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Steelers RB Le'Veon Bell signs his one year franchise tag tender. He'll get $12.1 million for this season.
QB Brock Osweiler cut by the Browns and signs with....the Broncos. Lol. Wow.
Indianapolis Colts trade WR Phillip Dorsett to the Patriots for 3rd string QB Jacoby Brissett. Not a good sign for Andrew Luck's health IMO and it's a move that stinks of desperation to me. Not a believer in Brisett. At all. Dorsett averaged 20+ yards per catch in college at "the U". Ran the fastest 40 time at his NFL combine- in the low 4.3's- he's a true burner. As a 1st round pick he's been a bit of a disappointment for the Colts, but Luck barely played with Dorsett his rookie year in 2015 and when Luck did play last year Dorsett averaged over 16 yards a catch on 33 catches. Gives the Patriots a guy with elite speed who can help in the return game with Edelman being out for the season and another guy at WR who can stretch the field vertically and get behind safeties. I think it's an excellent trade. Brissett wasn't likely to play for them this year and he'll never be a starting QB. Might as well get as much value for him as you can.
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If you can get anything for your QB3, you do it.
I'm surprised the Lions didn't get something for Kaaya, even a 6th round pick or something, assuming they tried.
He was never going to clear waivers.
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If you can get anything for your QB3, you do it.
I'm surprised the Lions didn't get something for Kaaya, even a 6th round pick or something, assuming they tried.
He was never going to clear waivers.
Lions don't have that New England hype/Belichick mystique. "if he's good enough for New England, he's good enough for us!" "Oh if Bill Belichik drafted him and likes him he must be good!"
Kaaya couldn't beat out Jake Rudock for a back-up role. Not a very good sign for his NFL prospects if you ask me.
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Rudock looks really good, and has been getting rave reviews.
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bUMP FOR MERGE
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Well, that was the plan at least. Not sure how to merge threads here
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Look at me figuring things out without asking dad for help!
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No way Buckeye fans can look to their NFL neighbors for emotional betterment today:
- Browns already in mid-season form after the their first punt (presumably of many more) is blocked for a TD by the Steelers.
- Andy Dalton tossing two early INTs vs the Ravens, one into the end zone.
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I don't like making snap judgements but guys I really don't think the Colts are very good.
The Browns actually look a little frisky. Good running game and OL. I don't know why they didn't keep Pryor though.
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Lions are on pace for 16-0, so there's that.
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Lions are on pace for 16-0, so there's that.
I'd love to see what Stafford could do with a good supporting cast like the Steelers have.
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just hope Adrian is as washed up as most people think and he doesn't go for 150 tonight against the Purple defense
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just hope Adrian is as washed up as most people think and he doesn't go for 150 tonight against the Purple defense
Judging from yesterday, he won't.
It'll be 6-3 absent some defensive scores.
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Lions are on pace for 16-0, so there's that.
Stafford was excellent late that game. Probably a 9-7 or 10-6 team. OL and run game is hot garbage. Defense looked fast and athletic but error prone to the big play but also able to capitalize on mistakes and create turnovers so there's that.
Caldwell still sucks.
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I don't like making snap judgements but guys I really don't think the Colts are very good.
The Browns actually look a little frisky. Good running game and OL. I don't know why they didn't keep Pryor though.
Browns supposedly offered Pryor more than Skins to sign but it was multi year.That's gratitude for ya
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I don't like making snap judgements but guys I really don't think the Colts are very good.
The Browns actually look a little frisky. Good running game and OL. I don't know why they didn't keep Pryor though.
Browns are going to surprise some people I think. I liked there draft a lot. Kizer is insanely talented.
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Yeah, they are still a year or two away, but I think they have the right plan in place.
Thought that back in 2007 too though, and unfortunately they built around two head cases in Braylon and Winslow, and Derek Anderson turned out to not actually be that good.
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I hope ESPN used all of the talent money they freed up on Sergio Dipp.
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Haha, ESPN suites yanked Sergio Dipp from Espn Deportes.
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Sam Bradford looked pretty good
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former USC LB and current Houston Texan Brian Cushing suspended 10 games for....PED's. Shocking! Not.
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Watching Boston New Orleans on a German language channel and even they are laughing at what a joke the Saints are - schletche suppe! Patriots up 20-3 after 1Q.
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Browns are road favorites this week (@Indy) for the first time in 3 years.
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I read it was first time favorites since 2015, and first time road favs since 2012. Either way, pretty incredible run.
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So, questions for those of you who follow this league.
And no, these questions have nothing to do with my fantasy team. Nothing at all...
Has Chris Carson supplanted Rawls as the #1 RB in Seattle, or was Rawls' low usage last week due to his continued recovery from injury?
Is Buck Allen now "the guy" in Baltimore over Terrance West? Or is he going to disappear as soon as Woodhead comes back from injury?
Is Trevor Siemian going to continue producing at a high rate?
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Browns are road favorites this week (@Indy) for the first time in 3 years.
The rationale for this will be on full display this Sunday no doubt.BTW break up the Lions
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The game in London happened already; the Jaguars routed the Ravens, looking much more prepared, probably because they're the London home team every year, or maybe because the entire Ravens team took a knee during the anthem and never bothered to get back up.
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TY Hilton is abusing Jabrill Peppers
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It's a good thing I'm no longer a fervent follower of the Browns anymore.Even taking a peek will put one on life support
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Dolphins and Steelers killing a lot of suicide pools today.
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I have the Squeelers in one
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Stafford has WRs who can barely get open, drop passes and no running game and yet somehow gets the Lions back in games. He really is a very good QB.
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Stafford has WRs who can barely get open, drop passes and no running game and yet somehow gets the Lions back in games. He really is a very good QB.
The portion of the fan base who hates him doesn't understand a lick of football.
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They need to build Stafford a statue
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They need to build Stafford a statue
He's amazing. How many comebacks is that now?
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Refs with a makeup call. Bears should have scored before, refs stole it from them, then the next play swallowed the whistle on a blatant hold that allowed a TD.
As good a coach as Tomlin is, his teams inability to bury bad teams is staggering.
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Well screw this weekend.
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So basically if the refs had correctly ruled Tate short, Lions could have run one more play. Because they incorrectly called him in and then overturned it, it's an automatic runoff and they lose?
This might be worse than when the refs did their best to give Dallas a playoff win.
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wow that was a bunch of bull. Lions hosed again.
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That's the type of ending that gets rules changed...
Which means the Lions will be on the other end of it next year.
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Bungles flagged for PI despite no contact between receiver and corner. Nice
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So basically if the refs had correctly ruled Tate short, Lions could have run one more play. Because they incorrectly called him in and then overturned it, it's an automatic runoff and they lose?
This might be worse than when the refs did their best to give Dallas a playoff win.
Missed it sounds like Zebra debacle
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Missed it sounds like Zebra debacle
Looked in to me too. I don't know how you overturn that.
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So basically if the refs had correctly ruled Tate short, Lions could have run one more play. Because they incorrectly called him in and then overturned it, it's an automatic runoff and they lose?
This might be worse than when the refs did their best to give Dallas a playoff win.
Worse, they ruled he got in but was down by contact first. The only contact involved happened before the ball got there.
In other words, if you acknowledge that contact, you must then call it defensive holding or PI.
I have never seen a team in any sport get legitimately screwed like the Lions continue to be.
They literally just took a win from them.
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I think the AFC North may have had the quickest fall from Grace of any division I can recall. From three legit Super Bowl contenders, to the Steelers might be the least crappy of the bunch in pretty short form.
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Refs with a makeup call. Bears should have scored before, refs stole it from them, then the next play swallowed the whistle on a blatant hold that allowed a TD.
As good a coach as Tomlin is, his teams inability to bury bad teams is staggering.
I might be interpreting this wrong, but are you saying the Bears were getting screwed by the refs this game?
If so, no...just no, lol.
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I might be interpreting this wrong, but are you saying the Bears were getting screwed by the r
The refs screwed the Bears out a win a few plays prior, then gave them the win two plays later with a bad makeup call.
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No, the refs screwed the Steelers out of a possible win with a no call on the obvious pass interference to Bryant. This was the play at the end of the 4th, before the blocked FG fiasco.
Wanna talk about holding...how about another 2 obvious no calls against the Bears on both their big OT runs. Laughable.
I hate being that guy. The refs heavily influenced this game. Shouldn't be that way.
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No, the refs screwed the Steelers out of a possible win with a no call on the obvious pass interference to Bryant. This was the play at the end of the 4th, before the blocked FG fiasco.
Wanna talk about holding...how about another 2 obvious no calls against the Bears on both their big OT runs. Laughable.
I hate being that guy. The refs heavily influenced this game. Shouldn't be that way.
The Steelers are my 2nd favorite team, but behind the golden three of Patriots, Packers and Cowboys, nobody gets more favorable treatment. I have a hard time complaining.
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Bungles flagged for PI despite no contact between receiver and corner. Nice
It's Green Bay...in Lambaugh. If you aren't at least 10 points better, you ain't winning.
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The Steelers are my 2nd favorite team, but behind the golden three of Patriots, Packers and Cowboys, nobody gets more favorable treatment. I have a hard time complaining.
I couldn't argue that one way or another.
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I watched most of it. There were two egregious calls I saw. They called the Bears runner out and negated a winning TD, when he clearly wasn't. Then they swallowed their whistle on a blatant hold, that allowed for the result that should have happened in the first place.
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He looked out to me.
There were 2 holds they swallowed the whistle on. 1 of them was that very play, meaning the out of bounds call doesn't matter.
It can be argued back further to a bad PI the Bears got away with during the 4Q drive that lead to the blocked FG.
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The portion of the fan base who hates him doesn't understand a lick of football.
this. Stafford is incredible and he's stepped his game up to another level with Cooter.
Lions got hosed big-time. There was no way there was enough there to over-turn the call on the field. Suppose to be incontrovertible, indisputable evidence to over-turn the calls on the field. Looked WAY too close to call. In that scenario you have to just stick with the ruling on the field.
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Yeah, Cooter and Austin have been godsends, and a players coach like Caldwell works when you have elite coordinators in place.
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Wow Bungles in command for 99% of the game
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Wow Bungles in command for 99% of the game
Have to say Tony Romo turned me against Dalton. His talk about Dalton simply missing pre-snap reads and open receivers really showed me the problems in the offense.
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I think the AFC North may have had the quickest fall from Grace of any division I can recall. From three legit Super Bowl contenders, to the Steelers might be the least crappy of the bunch in pretty short form.
He still almost always wins at least 10 a year but even with 10 you get your share of bad losses. Tomlin's main problem is that the steelers to zone blitz Brady. Now I assume a zone blitz could work, if you had the pass rushers to get to him.
Still think the Ravens are a playoff team. The AFC east, now that division is awful. Belicheck should just pull a Popovich and sit Brady a for a couple games this year. They'll still get the No.1 seed.
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He still almost always wins at least 10 a year but even with 10 you get your share of bad losses. Tomlin's main problem is that the steelers to zone blitz Brady. Now I assume a zone blitz could work, if you had the pass rushers to get to him.
Still think the Ravens are a playoff team. The AFC east, now that division is awful. Belicheck should just pull a Popovich and sit Brady a for a couple games this year. They'll still get the No.1 seed.
The rest of that division has been awful for the Patriots entire run, save like a three year window of the Jets being ok
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He still almost always wins at least 10 a year but even with 10 you get your share of bad losses. Tomlin's main problem is that the steelers to zone blitz Brady. Now I assume a zone blitz could work, if you had the pass rushers to get to him.
Still think the Ravens are a playoff team. The AFC east, now that division is awful. Belicheck should just pull a Popovich and sit Brady a for a couple games this year. They'll still get the No.1 seed.
I don't think so. Without Brady that team might be 0-3 right now.
Chiefs absolutely pummeled them, who knows if they beat the Saints if Brady doesn't go berserk on the Saints and play a near perfect game going 30 for 39 for 450 yards and 4 TD's and 0 turnovers, and it took some Brady heroics to win at home against the Texans with 20 seconds left in the game.
Patriots defense looks slow and incapable of stopping anyone. They look like a team that is being held together by the best QB in the NFL. They'll win the division, but they are going to get bounced out of the playoffs and if they do happen to make it to the Super Bowl they will lose.
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Wow Bungles in command for 99% of the game
Andy Dalton is their QB. Marvin Lewis is their head coach.
That outcome shouldn't have surprised anyone. I said as soon as the Packers got within a TD that they were winning that game. I knew Andy Dalton wasn't going to do shit. He absolutely sucks.
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Have to say Tony Romo turned me against Dalton. His talk about Dalton simply missing pre-snap reads and open receivers really showed me the problems in the offense.
Tony Romo is already the best guy on TV.
And you're just realizing this NOW about Andy Dalton? He's been this since the day he came into the league. He is straight up ass.
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Tony Romo is already the best guy on TV.
He got a job he didn't earn and is just killing it.
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He got a job he didn't earn and is just killing it.
He's been on television before. From what I heard he did extremely well. It was always known that he can retire and instantly get a TV job which is why Fox had to shell out huge money.
Don't mind former players/coaches getting analyst jobs.
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He's been on television before. From what I heard he did extremely well. It was always known that he can retire and instantly get a TV job which is why Fox had to shell out huge money.
Don't mind former players/coaches getting analyst jobs.
I think the issue was that he jumped right to the A crew with Nantz.
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Packers vs. Bears tonight on Thursday night football. Hoping the Bears pull off the upset.
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Steelers with a 10:23 opening drive. Longest drive of the year. You never see drives like that anymore the way the game is played.
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Patriots defense sucks this year. So much for that "defensive genius" Belichik. Cam Newton was bad last year. He was bad this year. Outside of that one great year he's had- he's been pretty much mediocre. He is shredding the Patriots defense in New England. They are making him look like Dan Marino. 21 of 25 for 320 yards and 3 TD's. One of the worst pure throwers of the football- is destroying that "defensive genius" defense.
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Patriots defense sucks this year. So much for that "defensive genius" Belichik. Cam Newton was bad last year. He was bad this year. Outside of that one great year he's had- he's been pretty much mediocre. He is shredding the Patriots defense in New England. They are making him look like Dan Marino. 21 of 25 for 320 yards and 3 TD's. One of the worst pure throwers of the football- is destroying that "defensive genius" defense.
Didn't they have the best defense in the NFL last year?
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Ravens OL is awful, but Flacco needs to adjust his clock accordingly. He's held it too long more than once.
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Didn't get to enjoy much scoring this weekend, but MSU and Lions both won to get to 3-1, so no complaints here
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The Browns.......well you know
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Rams up on the Boys with 2:00
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The Browns.......well you know
Yeah, the positive vibes are gone. They are the first team to make Andy Dalton look competent.
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Rams up on the Boys with 2:00
Rams pull it out to move to 3-1.
Jarred Goff looks like an excellent QB once Jeff Fisher got fired. Who knew? Oh wait. I did. Jeff Fisher literally sucks. How in the hell he was an NFL head coach for so long is completely beyond me. He is literally the worst NFL coach that had a head coaching job for like 20 years. The guy ruined what should've been an excellent career for Vince Young. If you want your QB to suck ass- make sure Jeff Fisher is his head coach.
Rams are stacked with talent on both sides of the ball. Sammy Watkins, Tavon Austin, and Todd Gurley on offense. Talk about explosive play-making ability. Aaron Donald, Robert Quinn, and Michael Brockers on the defensive line. Talk about proto-type NFL defensive linemen.
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Didn't they have the best defense in the NFL last year?
Texans.
New England's defense last year wasn't better than the Vikings, Texans, Seahawks, or Broncos defense. Probably not even close. They had something none of those teams did though- a functional high-level offense. Seattle was the only one with a QB in Wilson- but they had zero OL to go with that QB.
Just go by the eye test. New England's defense is slow. They don't have guys like JJ Watt, JaDeveon Clowney, or Von Miller at LB or DL. They are astoundingly average. And their secondary is just bad. I don't know if it's a bad secondary or it's just that they can't get to the QB and their secondary looks bad because they've got to play coverage for 20 years.
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Jets plays levels Paul Posluszny with a block and injures himself.
Posluszny decides the head move is to taunt the injured player who just destroys him, and pits the Jets into winning FG range with his penalty.
I'm not sure whether that classifies more as dumb or classless? It's high on both
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The Jets can't even tank correctly.
Darnold to Giants.
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Jarred Goff looks like an excellent QB once Jeff Fisher got fired. Who knew? Oh wait. I did.
Well, if you watched him at Cal, and to be honest I think the only game I watched was a bowl game where Goff just went off, but it was clear he could make any throw the NFL requires.
Give him a good coach, give him weapons around him, and what a shock that he looks like a competent NFL QB...
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This taking a knee crap in the NFL is getting out of hand. Now Russ Wilson is protesting safties. Safties of all things!!!
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Patriots defense through 4 games is on pace to be all-time bad. They are giving up league high of 457 yards per game and 32 ppg. Can't rush the passer and that CB from Buffallo they spent $40 million guaranteed on hasn't been playing up to that contract.
Can't rush the passer but it's 100% bc of personnel decisions. Belichik lets Howie Long's son Chris walk for nothing- doesn't even attempt to keep him. He's not a star but he's a good player.
Trades his best pass rusher in Chandler Jones for a ham sandwich- he has 16 sacks in 20 games for Arizona. Trades his 2nd best pass rusher and most athletic player on defense in Jamie Collins to the Browns for another ham sandwich. Cuts Kony Ealy before they make it out of camp- he's only been a holy terror on the d-line for the division rival Jets through 4 games. Don't forget he also drafted a 260 pound DT out of Florida with two bad knees in the 1st round a couple years back- Dominique Easley had like 3 ACL's in college/HS. Complete waste of a 1st round pick there.
I think he's a hell of a coach. Piss poor GM/personnel guy. Especially on defense- which is suppose to be his MO.
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I don't think you can claim that he's a piss-poor GM/personnel guy. The Patriots have made their reputation on finding diamonds in the rough over the years.
Maybe he's just reading too much of his own press clippings and thinks he's King Midas, and that anyone he touches is going to turn into gold.
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Andy Dalton is their QB. Marvin Lewis is their head coach.
That outcome shouldn't have surprised anyone. I said as soon as the Packers got within a TD that they were winning that game. I knew Andy Dalton wasn't going to do shit. He absolutely sucks.
Dalton is just weird. He'll look like the worst QB on the face of the planet, then go on a 3 week run with 10TDs/1INT or something.
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Oh man, Jon Grudens son Deuce Gruden (not a typo) is a strength coach for the Redskins and looks exactly like what you would assume
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Oh man, Jon Grudens son Deuce Gruden (not a typo) is a strength coach for the Redskins and looks exactly like what you would assume
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lol you weren't kidding
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Ummmm, what?
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/10/4/16417304/jerry-rice-wedding-crasher-san-francisco-49ers-bay-area
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Ummmm, what?
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/10/4/16417304/jerry-rice-wedding-crasher-san-francisco-49ers-bay-area
I guess everyone needs a hobby?
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Ummmm, what?
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/10/4/16417304/jerry-rice-wedding-crasher-san-francisco-49ers-bay-area
that's pretty damn funny. as great as he was- I always felt like he is just not that big a name outside of football. If he wasn't in the bay area- bet a lot of people might not even know who he is.
I wonder if that's because he wasn't very flashy on the field- he was certainly an all-time great- but he didn't make you jump out of your seat and leave you with your jaw dropped like a Michael Vick or Barry Sanders or Randy Moss and just shake your head in disbelief at what you were seeing- guys like that- no one had ever seen freakish talent like that before and really haven't seen that since. And he certainly wasn't a crazy larger than life personality like a Deion Sanders or TO.
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Cam Newton :smiley_confused1:
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the Reporter is hardly the darling she was 24 hours ago. Will be interesting to see how hard people go after her for her tweets.
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Cam Newton :smiley_confused1:
Okay, that's pretty funny....
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the Reporter is hardly the darling she was 24 hours ago. Will be interesting to see how hard people go after her for her tweets.
I guess some if not most of those tweets were made while she was a student at ASU, lovely.
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When I was a wee lad I got my father in trouble because I found it hilarious that there was a man running a vacuum cleaner on the TV.
My brother and I laughed as though the commercial was a Saturday Night Live skit. It happened in front of my mother, her mother, and several of her friends.
Steam was coming out of their ears.
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The Hippies & Freaks of the sixties couldn't produce drugs to take me on a trip like the Browns have.I've convinced myself the Browns have found every conceivable way to lose.I was wrong,I sit here gurgle & slobber like Jabba the Hut.Like being tasered,maced & waterboarded at the same time
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Stafford deserves a better team.
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Giants suck so bad
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Stafford deserves a better team.
the OL is missing two starters. One of them is one of the best young LT's in the entire league in Taylor Decker. They get Wagner and Decker back that will certainly help a struggling OL out a ton. I also blame a lot of the OL struggles on the play-calling. Trying to run the ball against the #1 defense in the NFL with a small RB? They were running into run blitzes all game. They need to spread it out and play tempo more and get rid of the ball quickly. Theo Riddick is a match-up nightmare out of the backfield. You saw that in the 4th QTR when they stopped being stupid, ran tempo and got the ball out quickly to their mismatches in space. Riddick and Tate are just nightmarish to deal with in space in the quick passing game.
They need to cut Eric Ebron tonight. He is trash. Send a message to the rest of that team. Not fond of their head coach at all- he's a bum if I ever saw a bum, but that roster is oh so close. This is the best Lions team I've seen in a long time. If they could draft Barkley somehow and cut or trade Abdullah I'd be on cloud 9.
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everyone freaking out over Brady's age, predicting when he'll fall off the cliff- they forgot to realize that Big Ben was getting up there, going on 36 years of age. Roethlisberger looks like he's free falling off that cliff. He looks like he's deteriorating right before our eyes. Steelers probably should've taken a different QB in the 2017 draft than Josh Dobbs.....
Ben was quoted after the game saying "Maybe I just don't have it anymore." - YIKES......think this is his last year??
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on a side note- looks like spending big money in free agency on DL's Malik Jackson and Calais Campbell and having all of those high draft picks over the last few years being all used on defense leads to an insanely athletic defense for the Jags. That's a team that has a really nice roster. Everywhere except QB that is. Bet they wish they had that #3 pick in 2014 to do all over again.
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Steelers are a mess, I think Tomlin is done after this year. Oddly Chiefs look like easily the best team in the AFC right now
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Jesus, does anybody but State Farm reps still like Aaron Rodgers? He makes Tom Brady look as tough as Mike Webster.
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Jesus, does anybody but State Farm reps still like Aaron Rodgers? He makes Tom Brady look as tough as Mike Webster.
I like him as a player- have to- he's incredible. Aside from Dan Marino- I think he's the best pure thrower of the football that I've ever seen.
Can't really stand him otherwise though. Seems like the ultimate whiner, finger-pointing "me" QB. A few of his former teammates didn't have the greatest of things to say about him after they left. Jennings, Driver, and Finley all talked about his personality rubbing people the wrong way.
Say what you want about Brady- but that's not him by any stretch of the imagination. He takes less money to stay in New England, he's a team guy all the way. You won't ever see a former teammate have a bad word to say about Brady.
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Steelers are a mess, I think Tomlin is done after this year. Oddly Chiefs look like easily the best team in the AFC right now
Think you're right. I'd bet Ben retires and Tomlin is dismissed.
Chiefs have the best roster in football with a healthy Eric Berry. Reid is a wizard at finding offensive talent. Who knew Kareem Hunt would be this good? Or Travis Kelce. Or Tyreek Hill. 3rd round, 3rd round, 5th round pick.
Kelce is the best TE in the league. Gronk's days as that are over. Hill might be the most explosive, fastest guy in the NFL. Hunt has been a huge surprise.
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Dallas effed up. Left too much time on the clock for Rodgers. 1:13 left and GB has a timeout.
Dak has played excellent this game. Why they don't run that read option more with him is beyond me. Especially with a back like Zeke. You KNOW defenses are going to bite on a handoff to Zeke 90% of the time. That pick 6 wasn't his fault. Hit Williams right in the hands, went right through his hands into a DB that was 5 yards behind him.
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Dallas effed up. Left too much time on the clock for Rodgers. 1:13 left and GB has a timeout.
Welp. Called it.
Lewis had a great break-up on a badly thrown ball by Rodgers. Very next play Rodgers throws a perfect back shoulder fade for TD. Can't defend the perfect throw. Nobody throws it better than Rodgers.
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I like him as a player- have to- he's incredible. Aside from Dan Marino- I think he's the best pure thrower of the football that I've ever seen.
Can't really stand him otherwise though. Seems like the ultimate whiner, finger-pointing "me" QB. A few of his former teammates didn't have the greatest of things to say about him after they left. Jennings, Driver, and Finley all talked about his personality rubbing people the wrong way.
Say what you want about Brady- but that's not him by any stretch of the imagination. He takes less money to stay in New England, he's a team guy all the way. You won't ever see a former teammate have a bad word to say about Brady.
Yeah, there's no denying he's a hell of a QB, but he is the epitome of the dislikable diva QB
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Holy shit.
Mercilus was already in the locker room getting x-rays and then JJ Watt had to get helped off the field and heading into the locker room- not even 8 mins into this game. That's two of their 3 best players on defense.
Not to mention the 'roid head Cushing whose suspended for most of the year for another failed PED test. They have so much high level talent on defense. Just can't all get it together on the field at the same time.
Clowney missed most of '14 and '15 with injuries, finally playing like an elite player and he doesn't get to be paired up with Watt. What a shame.
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Watt needs to retire, his body is failing him and he's not going to be upright by the time he's 40. It's a shame.
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Watt needs to retire, his body is failing him and he's not going to be upright by the time he's 40. It's a shame.
Yeah, total shame. He's the greatest defensive player of his era and one of the greats of all-time. Gronk should probably retire too. It's painful to watch players of their caliber break down physically like this. They both deserve more. As a fan you want to be able to watch them perform at the highest level.
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not even 1 QTR of football and Eagles have been moving the ball, on the road, against the #1 defense in the NFL. THAT is what offensive football should look like. Tempo, spread defenses out, all different kinds of looks/formations- and creative ways of using multiple TE's. Helps when you've got a QB like Wentz. That's a really big dude who can really run and has a huge arm.
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Steelers are a mess, I think Tomlin is done after this year. Oddly Chiefs look like easily the best team in the AFC right now
Nah Tomlin is a top 5 coach. Won a SB, went to a 2nd. Plus successfully navigated the Steelers through 3-4 years of salary cap hell. A couple years back he won the division with just Ben and a whole bunch of waiver wire garbage on D. Really the steelers should have became the Saints (a QB and nothing else) a few years ago.
Also the steelers have developed players well under him. On another team Shazier is meh and DeCastro is a total bust.
Sure he has his faults. Brady carves up the zone blitz and the Steelers stubbornly stick with it against him. However Brady and the Pats have made 30 other teams look stupid too.
Ben was a great QB because he was crazy athletically gifted. He's lost a lot of that but still a good qb. Playing for almost a decade noted Quarterback breaker Bruce Arians will do that. They'll go 10-6 and win the division and I still like the Steelers chances against any AFC team in the playoffs with the exception of the pats who they might get to avoid.
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You must be a staunch Squeeler fan.When they back into the play offs they'll be facing better teams than Chicago & Jax.We shall see as they have KC on deck
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Nah Tomlin is a top 5 coach. Won a SB, went to a 2nd. Plus successfully navigated the Steelers through 3-4 years of salary cap hell. A couple years back he won the division with just Ben and a whole bunch of waiver wire garbage on D. Really the steelers should have became the Saints (a QB and nothing else) a few years ago.
Also the steelers have developed players well under him. On another team Shazier is meh and DeCastro is a total bust.
Sure he has his faults. Brady carves up the zone blitz and the Steelers stubbornly stick with it against him. However Brady and the Pats have made 30 other teams look stupid too.
Ben was a great QB because he was crazy athletically gifted. He's lost a lot of that but still a good qb. Playing for almost a decade noted Quarterback breaker Bruce Arians will do that. They'll go 10-6 and win the division and I still like the Steelers chances against any AFC team in the playoffs with the exception of the pats who they might get to avoid.
I think he's a phenomenal coach, I just think it feels like it's run it's course in Pittsburgh. Ben looks disinterested.
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You must be a staunch Squeeler fan.When they back into the play offs they'll be facing better teams than Chicago & Jax.We shall see as they have KC on deck
They've had a great run for about 25 years now (3 losing seasons?). I can't complain.
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They've had a great run for about 25 years now (3 losing seasons?). I can't complain.
Would've been an even better, longer streak had they drafted the home-town kid Marino in '83. Bet they wish they could've had that one back.
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49ers release LB'er Novaro Bowman. Kinda shocked. He's not that old- think he was drafted out of Penn State in 2010-2011. Was it injury/contract? Combo of both?
Anyway, if he's motivated to prove them wrong could be a steal of a pick-up for any team that needs a LB'er- because the guy had been one of the best in the NFL when right for a long time.
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Lol, Rodgers taking the cart off...with a shoulder injury. May require a walking boot.
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Lol, Rodgers taking the cart off...with a shoulder injury. May require a walking boot.
Welp, there goes the Packers season if he's out for any length of time.
Lions need to dig their heads out of their asses and come back and beat the Saints and take advantage of this. Division is right there for the taking with a Rodgers-less Packers squad. Chicago is a dumpster fire and the Vikings have a great defense but zero offense and Dalvin Cook is out for the year.
If Rodgers winds up being out for most of the year and the Lions manage to blow the opportunity to win the division- I swear to god I will be done with them.
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Lions offensive line without it's two best guys is back to being the absolute dumpster fire it was prior to mid 2016
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Broadcasters and sideline reporters preoccupied with what's going on with Rodgers in the locker room than the game. And a Packers OL just got walked off the field.
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Lions offensive line without it's two best guys is back to being the absolute dumpster fire it was prior to mid 2016
Greg Robinson pulled after being totally useless and nearly getting Stafford killed.
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Would've been an even better, longer streak had they drafted the home-town kid Marino in '83. Bet they wish they could've had that one back.
Of course they would have been better with Marino over Mark Malone or Cliff Stout etc. However if there was one team that could have made Marino mediocre it was the Steelers in the early-mid 80s.
The Pitt and Steeler fanbases were so toxic and spoiled from prior success at the time that they were booing any city QB who ever touched a ball (even Marino and Bradshaw). They would have booed Marino all decade even if he was good. Marino got booed at Pitt his jr year (the year he was excellent) and unmercifully booed his senior year. I'm still shocked that Dan even occasionally comes back to the sideline for Pitt games today.
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Bears with a pick 6 play of the week
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Greg Robinson pulled after being totally useless and nearly getting Stafford killed.
Wagner hurt.
So three OL out, one benched for performance. Stellar
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So Rodgers with a broken collarbone to his throwing arm. Will be out for a while. Cussing out Anthony Barr as he left the field. A lot of back and forth all game. Treadwell knocking down a DB. And players jawing after every whistle. Vikings win 23-10.
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Somehow Brees has only 14 fantasy points in a 52-38 game
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So Rodgers with a broken collarbone to his throwing arm. Will be out for a while. Cussing out Anthony Barr as he left the field. A lot of back and forth all game. Treadwell knocking down a DB. And players jawing after every whistle. Vikings win 23-10.
That's because he's a bitch. Always has been
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Steelers have outgained Chiefs 232-6 and more first downs 16-1, yet somehow it's only 12-3
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Somehow Harrison isn't even worth dressing normally, but he just knows how to beat Fisher.
Chiefs are 17-3 since the start of last year against the rest of the NFL, 0-3 against the Steelers. Just a bad matchup.
Best scenario for NE is a Pittsburgh KC playoff matchup. Steelers eliminate a KC team they can't beat, then they get a Steelers team who can't beat them.
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with Farve being bulletproof during his entire career wearing Green and then Rogers only missing 9 games since 2008, the Packers are due for a dose of injuries at the QB position
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Wagner hurt.
So three OL out, one benched for performance. Stellar
LOL, from PFF
@pff_Brett
Yesterday tackle Brian Mihalik played RT for six snaps. He gave up pressures on three of them including a sack.
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Well that is certainly up there among the crazier endings I've ever seen, after the Memphis-Houston college game didn't disappoint.
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Watching this Vikings-Ravens game and the panning crowd shots spotted a lone Steelers fan sitting amidst the greater mass of Vikings fans, yelling and pounding his chest, at what? Why does so much of the Steelers fan base present themselves in the most obnoxious terms? That particular fan base seems a safe haven for neck tattoos, guzzling Monster Energy, driving noisy pickups, buying lotto tickets, and starting a habit of smoking in middle school.
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Andy Dalton face palm
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The Bears run 37 total plays, throw 7 passes, pick up 5 first downs...
...and win by two touchdowns. That's amazing.
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Joe Thomas to undergo season, and perhaps career ending surgery.
Ending (sorry Cal) the greatest Iron Man streak in sports history.
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How bad does Cleveland suck? Man they are really trying to tank for Rosen or Darnold. Not a believer in Hue Jackson at all but the real problem there is the owner and front office.
It's sad to see the Browns suck so bad for so long, they are one of the most important NFL franchises in the history of the league. Paul Brown- modern era of football really started with him. Jim Brown- greatest player in league history. Otto Graham- won more championships than any QB. They were a gold standard franchise.
Just sad to see them not able to get it right for once. I'd love to see a Browns v Lions Super Bowl before I croak.
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I wouldn't that's one of the signs of the apocalypse.I would like like to see both win one before I exit for the Big Stage.My older brothers,dad & uncles caught the glory - I got the Horror
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gotta have a QB in the no fun league, Browns have had their share of top draft picks over the years. Either draft the guy, or trade that #1, #2, #3 pick for an established QB.
Hey, at least you get to see Jamie Erdahl in London
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gotta have a QB in the no fun league, Browns have had their share of top draft picks over the years. Either draft the guy, or trade that #1, #2, #3 pick for an established QB.
I liked Kizer in the 2nd- big time talent but he was always gonna be a project. Not sure they have the coaches to develop that talent.
Browns have taken QBs in the 1st rd before, problem is they were just bad picks. None of them really had the talent. Couch, Manziel, Brady Quinn, Weeden- really good college players- but none were really fits for the NFL. Maybe as back-ups somewhere, but you don't pick a QB in the 1st to be a back-up.
Kizer has the size/body and the arm strength you look for. Browns just need so much help everywhere. If they are smart they'll trade down acquire picks. Darnold or Rosen aren't going to fix shit. They need players everywhere.
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I went ballistic when they took Weeden(who turned 29 as a Rookie) and Manziel.I stated that this board could actually scout talent better than many front offices.After all we follow CFB pretty much all season.Anyone with a corpuscle of common sense knew Weeden/Manziel would be journeyman at best.Haslem hires 3 Harvard dervishes in the front office to evaluate/procure collegiate talent.So what do they do in their 1st draft?Pick 5...5 WR's after letting Travis Benjamin(chargers) 14.5 YPC & Taylor Gabrial(Falcons) 15.5 YPC walk.That front office should have never sniffed another draft.Just because Haslem made billions in one field doesn't mean he has a K-L-E-E-E-W in another
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I liked Kizer in the 2nd- big time talent but he was always gonna be a project. Not sure they have the coaches to develop that talent.
Browns have taken QBs in the 1st rd before, problem is they were just bad picks. None of them really had the talent. Couch, Manziel, Brady Quinn, Weeden- really good college players- but none were really fits for the NFL. Maybe as back-ups somewhere, but you don't pick a QB in the 1st to be a back-up.
Kizer has the size/body and the arm strength you look for. Browns just need so much help everywhere. If they are smart they'll trade down acquire picks. Darnold or Rosen aren't going to fix shit. They need players everywhere.
There is no team there. If they draft Darnold or Rosen or whoever they need to sit him for a year. Kiser was always a project and they just gave him the ball for some reason. Their QB plan has always been a way too old or someone who is too green. I know experience is valuable for some rookies but playing with a bunch of no hopers who wont be in the league in a couple years isn't worthwhile experience.
Put Watson on that team and he is probably almost just as bad.
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There is no team there. If they draft Darnold or Rosen or whoever they need to sit him for a year. Kiser was always a project and they just gave him the ball for some reason. Their QB plan has always been a way too old or someone who is too green. I know experience is valuable for some rookies but playing with a bunch of no hopers who wont be in the league in a couple years isn't worthwhile experience.
Put Watson on that team and he is probably almost just as bad.
I think there might be a couple teams willing to trade up to get Rosen or Darnold. The Bengals, Broncos, Jags, Jets, and Bills all look like pretty solid teams to me who are in dire need for a legitimate QB. Especially the Jags and Broncos. Those two teams have the rosters on defense to win big and win right now. They have everything except a QB. If I'm the Jags I'm definitely going all in on trying to get Darnold or Rosen to pair him with Fournette and that fast, physical young defense. Darnold and Rosen are the two best QB's in an NFL draft that I've seen in awhile. They are both light years better at the same stage than any of the QB's that went first round the past few drafts. I don't think QB's should be drafted high unless they are worth the risk. Those two guys seem worth it to me. Darnold has all of the physical traits you look for, and Rosen is 6'4+ and as gifted a pure thrower of the football as you'll ever see.
And I'm with you right there on Watson. He'll be a great player for a long time I think, and I felt like he was the only QB worthy of a 1st round pick in that draft but I wouldn't have taken him #1 overall if I was the Browns. They had too many needs and not enough help. Had they thrown him out there as a rookie he'd have fared better than Kizer but not much. Maybe the Browns have 1 or 2 wins right now instead of 0.
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By the way how nice is it not having to listen to that moron Joe Buck?
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Kirk Cousins is really good. I knew he'd be a legit NFL QB. Never thought he'd be this good. He has like no help. Redskins WR's and RB's are about as mediocre as it gets. I hope for his sake he can get out of Washington and pick what team he wants to go play for. I think he goes to Jacksonville or Denver- that's a legit team that can make a deep playoff run.
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Redskins OL down 4 starters now and it's showing. Cousins has no help out there right now. Have to think this game is over down 10 with only 1 QTR to go. Cousins has no time and average WRs and RBs to work with.
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Cousins doesn't even look at Pryor anymore. Letting Jackson and Garcon go, and paying Pryor looks like a terrible move.
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Cousins doesn't even look at Pryor anymore. Letting Jackson and Garcon go, and paying Pryor looks like a terrible move.
Ridiculous move letting both go. Should've kept one. Pryor is a great athlete. He's not a great WR. Yet. And he may never be. He should've switched in college. He could've been the next Calvin Johnson. He had that type of athleticism and size. Just a complete freak athlete.
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With under a minute left, no timeouts, and 85 yards to cover, you call back to back inside screen passes? Even if that one doesn't get tipped and picked you've run almost all the rest of the time off.
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I know its easy to hate nanobubbles but damn I love watching him. Wilson is the closest thing we have to a college QB in the pros. He kind of gives you an idea what Flutie could have been if someone gave him a chance while Flutie was still in his prime.
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It was like I got to watch MSU twice this weekend, with all kinds of yardage not leading to points, and watching the opponent cash in the few chances they had.
Frustrating weekend
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Patriots trade Jimmy G to the 49ers for a 2nd round pick.
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It was like I got to watch MSU twice this weekend, with all kinds of yardage not leading to points, and watching the opponent cash in the few chances they had.
Frustrating weekend
This from the RCMB . "The Steelers tried giving that game away and the Lions told them to fuck off ". They are the Kings of that.
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Bills trade talented but troubled Pro Bowl DT Marcell Dareus to the Jacksonville Jags. Not DT has more sacks over the last 4 years. If he keeps out of trouble...holy hell. He's only just turned 27. Same age as Malik Jackson. That Jags D is stacked with young talent. Calais Campbell is the old man on that defense and he's 30. Myles Jack, Dante Fowler Jr, Jalen Ramsey, Yannick Ngaokue. They could be something man. If only they had a QB. Kirk Cousins there with Fournette and that young defense could do some damage.
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Hadn't really looked at the standings, but man if the season ended right now, a lot of unexpected
Seahawks still in for the NFC, but the other 5 are Eagles, Vikings, Saints, Rams, Panthers
Expected top 3 in the AFC of Steelers, Patriots, and Chiefs, but then the playoffs would be rounded out by Titans, Bills and Jaguars.
Bills have the longest playoff drought, Rams are 3rd, Jaguars are 4th and Titans are 6th. Would end 4 of the 6 playoff droughts that extend past 2010, leaving only the Browns (2002) and Buccaneers (2007).
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Some talk that Belicheck was ready to trade Brady after the year, which is the most Patriots thing ever, and the trade was Kraft going over him to make it clear Brady retires a Patriot
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Browns get their Browns on by botching a trade with the Bengals by not calling the league office by the 4pm cut-off. The Bengals called it in at 3:56pm right after hanging up with the Browns, but rules require both teams call it in to NFL headquarters.
Browns were about to give up a 2nd and 3rd rd 2018 pick to the Bengals in exchange for back-up QB AJ McCarron. Absolute idiocy to trade that for a garbage player like McCarron. Browns luck out by being the Browns. They need those picks. Not AJ McCarron. Most inept franchise in pro sports? I'd have to say so.
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perhaps a dim light came on in someone's head at 3:56pm?
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perhaps a dim light came on in someone's head at 3:56pm?
You'd think that'd be the case. That someone in the Browns went ballistic and said "you're trading a 2nd and a 3rd for who" and then nixed the trade. But the Browns asked the NFL to push the trade through even though they were late. The NFL rejected their request. One of the few times the Browns ineptitude saved them.
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Nothing more popular than a backup QB with limited game action.
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I suspect you could fill 10 bingo cards w such a list of backups. College and pro
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You'd think that'd be the case. That someone in the Browns went ballistic and said "you're trading a 2nd and a 3rd for who" and then nixed the trade. But the Browns asked the NFL to push the trade through even though they were late. The NFL rejected their request. One of the few times the Browns ineptitude saved them.
I tune in every week wondering how things could get worse and they always seem to have an answer.Evidently part of the Jimmy G trade was getting back up Hoyer(handshake agreement).Jimmy wanted to play for Shannahan and a unristricted FE at seasons end.Browns didn't have a seasoned back up to offer up.They would be renting Jimmy G for 8 games then have to slap the Franchise tag on him.Lot of hot takes surrounding the Mccarron deal.Front office has passed on Wentz & Watson to name a few.Hue wanted Kizer and Kessler before him.McCarron is basically a Kessler clone and unproven.The Front Office & Head Coach are racing to see who can get shit-canned 1st.I hope the swamp is drained at seasons end.Matt Millen is starting to look like a viable option.It's a horrid nightmare that I can't seem to wake up from.Stephen King has to be thinking "why didn't I think of this shit "
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You'd think that'd be the case. That someone in the Browns went ballistic and said "you're trading a 2nd and a 3rd for who" and then nixed the trade. But the Browns asked the NFL to push the trade through even though they were late. The NFL rejected their request. One of the few times the Browns ineptitude saved them.
No, it's the Browns.
He'll sign somewhere else this offseason, like Washington or Jacksonville or Denver, and be an All-Pro next year, just so we can talk about how he would have been a Brown but for.
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ELA,MDoT was referring to McCarron not Jimmy G.McCarron will not be an All-Pro in the Arena League.The Front Office has blundered but Hue wanted Kizer and Kessler.And RGIII come to think of it.On one of them he said "trust me".Hue worked with McCarron in Cinci and has over valued him
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ELA,MDoT was referring to McCarron not Jimmy G.McCarron will not be an All-Pro in the Arena League.The Front Office has blundered but Hue wanted Kizer and Kessler.And RGIII come to think of it.On one of them he said "trust me".Hue worked with McCarron in Cinci and has over valued him
I'm aware. But it's the Browns. Because they should have had him, and screwed up, wherever he goes he'll be an All-Pro, solely so it can add to the Browns ineptitude narrative. Had he landed in Cleveland, he'd be awful.
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Until Joe Thomas went down the O-Line was actually solid/yeoman like.So called skilled positions not so much.Josh Gordon has been cleared - oh happy day,that'll help leaps & bounds. ~???
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Deshaun Watson tears his ACL in practice in a non-contact freak accident. Out for the year. Can't imagine an NFL team more hit by the injury bug than Houston. JJ Watt and Whitney Mercilus game one, now this? Crazy.
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No, it's the Browns.
He'll sign somewhere else this offseason, like Washington or Jacksonville or Denver, and be an All-Pro next year, just so we can talk about how he would have been a Brown but for.
Lol I doubt it. McCarron stinks. Browns lucked out here. They need every draft pick they can get. They don't need to be throwing away a 2nd and 3rd rd pick on a back-up who can't play.
I can understand them passing on Wentz and Watson. Wentz was too much of a gamble and Watson wasn't going to help them win any time soon and they got an extra 1st rd pick by trading back like 12 slots. Both of those guys went to much better teams around them. They'd struggle in Cleveland with no help. Can't understand or forgive the Browns for taking QB's like Brandon Weeden or Brady Quinn or Johnny Manziel in the 1st.
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YOU can't understand/forgive?At least extend the common courtesy of not reminding us.I'm in counseling ya know - Bartender said I should try doubles and maybe some Jager
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doubles good
Jager bad
I prefer Sambuca
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Sounds like something The Skipper & Gilligan tossed back from a coconut half shell
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Lol I doubt it. McCarron stinks. Browns lucked out here. They need every draft pick they can get. They don't need to be throwing away a 2nd and 3rd rd pick on a back-up who can't play.
I can understand them passing on Wentz and Watson. Wentz was too much of a gamble and Watson wasn't going to help them win any time soon and they got an extra 1st rd pick by trading back like 12 slots. Both of those guys went to much better teams around them. They'd struggle in Cleveland with no help. Can't understand or forgive the Browns for taking QB's like Brandon Weeden or Brady Quinn or Johnny Manziel in the 1st.
I actually thought Quinn would be solid. Other two? Yuck
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Sounds like something The Skipper & Gilligan tossed back from a coconut half shell
it's actually a fun word to pronounce
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Heaven forbid the Packers get blown out on national TV. I guess just settle for one of the most lopsided 13 point wins in NFL history.
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Matt Stafford becomes the 6th fastest QB to reach 200+ TD passes in a career. Only Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, and Tom Brady have hit 200 in less games. Stafford also becomes only one of 4 QB's in NFL history to reach 200 before the age of 30.
Great QB. One of the great QB talents the league has seen. Anybody who questions his ability and greatness is a fool in my opinion.
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He needs to spend an offseason watching Brady sneak on short yardage situations. It's the only thing he can't do, and for everything else Brady is amazing at, he is easily the best short yardage sneak QB ever. Taking the snap, while falling g forward, he makes it look like something a bone should be able to do. Then you watch Stafford pull the all the way up and probe for a hole that isn't there, and you appreciate how money Brady is on 4th and 1 or less
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He needs to spend an offseason watching Brady sneak on short yardage situations. It's the only thing he can't do, and for everything else Brady is amazing at, he is easily the best short yardage sneak QB ever. Taking the snap, while falling g forward, he makes it look like something a bone should be able to do. Then you watch Stafford pull the all the way up and probe for a hole that isn't there, and you appreciate how money Brady is on 4th and 1 or less
I'd agree with this. Stafford has improved every aspect of his game year to year. Despite playing for a crap organization like the Lions. He is EASILY the best QB that the Lions have ever had. If the Lions had him to go along with Barry Sanders in the 90s and not Andre Ware, Rodney Peete, Eric Kramer, Scott Mitchell, a 60 year old Dave Krieg with a bum shoulder, and a host of a few other mediocre QB's that I am forgetting- they just might have actually made it to a Super Bowl. I'd love to see what Stafford could do with a real life coach. The guy has had nothing but clown shows for head coaches. You get him a Dantonio, Saban, or either Harbaugh brother in there the Lions just might be something. They still need a real RB. They won't have a high enough pick, but Saquon Barkley with a Stafford in his prime would be an incredible thing to watch for the next 5-8 years.
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I really enjoy watching the Packers lose
and I don't think I should feel a bit guilty about it
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I really enjoy watching the Packers lose
and I don't think I should feel a bit guilty about it
The only thing better would be watching them lose with Aaron Rodgers on the field. The little cry baby bitch face he makes when he loses is incredible. He's so great he doesn't lose often, but when he does- yeah it's pretty great.
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I'd agree with this. Stafford has improved every aspect of his game year to year. Despite playing for a crap organization like the Lions. He is EASILY the best QB that the Lions have ever had.
Bobby Layne even if he tossed back a few shots at halftime ;)
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Home from work and catching the NFL Network replay of Redskins @ Seahawks.
Two drafts ago I railed on the on the 'skins for spending a first round pick on a receiver, Josh Doctson, especially when they were already stocked at the position, but in hindsight the Washington front office knew exactly what they were doing. Garcon and DeSean would soon be off the roster and Cousins would badly need downfield weapons. Doctson has come up big in games Vs the Chief and now the Seahawks in this, his first full season starting.
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Maybe the front office did a good job in the draft, but they didn't do a very good job giving Terrelle Pryor a monster contract this year...
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wait til next year
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Maybe the front office did a good job in the draft, but they didn't do a very good job giving Terrelle Pryor a monster contract this year...
Yeah letting Jackson and Garcon walk just to sign Pryor was a disaster.
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Packers cut TE Martellus Bennett because of some sort of dispute over a physical. Patriots pick him up on the waiver wire. Seems like they always do this. My guess is Dwayne Allen gets cut by Pats.
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it's only the first quarter so I'm not freaking out, but Browns up 10-3 on the Lions. I swear to god if they do lose this game...fire Jim Caldwell immediately.
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This is the worst I've ever seen Ryan Shazier play at any level
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Every 4 years the Lions get to play the Browns, and it's the one time every 64 games you know the Lions will actually be out-stupided
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Every 4 years the Lions get to play the Browns, and it's the one time every 64 games you know the Lions will actually be out-stupided
tie game 17-17 with the Browns driving late in the 3rd QTR.
This game is so Detroit Lions. They need a culture change badly. Caldwell is as mediocre as it comes. Said it before....I'd dump Caldwell and go after that coach in East Lansing.
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This is the worst I've ever seen Ryan Shazier play at any level
Missed four tackles today now.
Last one should've worked out for Pittsburgh because the Colts player subsequently fumbled, but the refs screwed up the call.
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and....Lions down 24-17.
DeShone Kizer has all of the talent in the world. For the first time in a long time, it looks like the Browns have an NFL QB that looks like an NFL QB. 6'4, 235 pounds and he ran a 4.8 at the NFL combine. Strong as an ox but not all muscle bound and bulky. He has the perfect QB build, he's not built like a weight lifter like Brady Quinn was. And unlike Manziel or Quinn, Kizer has a rocket launcher for an arm. Sounds like he's very immature off-field and he needs a lot of development as a QB- he really shouldn't even be playing right now, he should be "redshirting" on the bench and working on that sloppy footwork and reading defenses- but man that is what an NFL QB should look like physically.
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Matt Stafford ties it all up. Man he is so so good. He deserves better than the Detroit Lions.
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tie game 17-17 with the Browns driving late in the 3rd QTR.
This game is so Detroit Lions. They need a culture change badly. Caldwell is as mediocre as it comes. Said it before....I'd dump Caldwell and go after that coach in East Lansing.
5 years ago, maybe. If they didn't have Stafford, maybe. I'm not going to give a 62 year old defensive minded coach his first NFL job, when you have a team built around a QB.
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5 years ago, maybe. If they didn't have Stafford, maybe. I'm not going to give a 62 year old defensive minded coach his first NFL job, when you have a team built around a QB.
call me crazy, but I think since you already have the QB problem solved- which is the most important part of the puzzle- you bring in a guy who will fix the defense and install a running game. Maybe you're right though. It really all depends on how that dynamic would work. Would the defensive minded guy try and restrict the QB too much and be too conservative? Belichik is a defensive minded guy and he's pretty much put all his faith into Brady and let him do his thing- which is why that relationship has been so great. You never know how it'll work out though. When Jimmy Johnson came to Miami to try and fix the defense and give Marino a running game they never saw eye to eye and got into it way too much- there was too much friction there and it just never worked.
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Steelers call timeout to run a two point play, and still take a delay of game.
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call me crazy, but I think since you already have the QB problem solved- which is the most important part of the puzzle- you bring in a guy who will fix the defense and install a running game. Maybe you're right though. It really all depends on how that dynamic would work. Would the defensive minded guy try and restrict the QB too much and be too conservative? Belichik is a defensive minded guy and he's pretty much put all his faith into Brady and let him do his thing- which is why that relationship has been so great. You never know how it'll work out though. When Jimmy Johnson came to Miami to try and fix the defense and give Marino a running game they never saw eye to eye and got into it way too much- there was too much friction there and it just never worked.
Yeah, if Dantonio we're younger I'd agree. I've always said my ideal staff features a defensive minded head coach, with a great OC who is given wide autonomy.
Belicheck and Brady timed up well. He was what? Late 40s, and Brady was a young QB. Dantonio is like 15 years older, and Stafford is an established QB, who I don't think would be overly enthusiastic about hiring a guy with no NFL experience. And he has done enough to earn a say.
Now if there were any in state college coach with NFL experience, whose expertise is QBs...
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Yeah, if Dantonio we're younger I'd agree. I've always said my ideal staff features a defensive minded head coach, with a great OC who is given wide autonomy.
Belicheck and Brady timed up well. He was what? Late 40s, and Brady was a young QB. Dantonio is like 15 years older, and Stafford is an established QB, who I don't think would be overly enthusiastic about hiring a guy with no NFL experience. And he has done enough to earn a say.
Now if there were any in state college coach with NFL experience, whose expertise is QBs...
Lol. I have no doubt that Harbaugh would be very successful for 3-4 years if he jumped to the Lions. I think after about a year in though Stafford would want to punch Jim in the face. Molding Andrew Luck in college and molding what at the time was considered a bust in Alex Smith and a nobody like Kapernick- far different thing than trying to work with an established franchise QB who is one of the 5-6 best QB's in the entire league. Harbaugh was a great college QB, a 1st round pick and he played QB in the NFL for 14 years and made a couple Pro Bowls- but even on his very best day he was nowhere remotely close to what Matt Stafford is. Stafford has other worldly talent. Jim was always an extremely competitive, over-worker, over-achiever with middling talent. I don't know how that dynamic would work. And I honestly don't think it'd last very long.
Jim is just too much of a dick to be an NFL coach in todays game in my opinion. He'd have been a perfect fit for the NFL game 25-30 years ago. That landscape is so different now. He's a perfect fit for the college game where he's cycling through an entire batch of new players every 3-4 years.
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I feel bad for Kizer. He has literally no help. You saw how they looked once he went out and Kessler came in? Jesus Christ. Hue Jackson probably needs to go. He just looks lost, in way over his head.
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man do Kizer's WR's just flat out suck. He threw a BEAUTIFUL back shoulder ball to the sideline to a WR that was double covered. Put it where only the WR could get it. WR got to hands on it...and dropped it. This guy has got the talent. Not sure he'll ever reach his potential stuck on a team so shitty.
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Browns need to trade that #1 pick and acquire picks. If they were to take Rosen or Darnold #1, they wouldn't fare any better than Kizer. That team is horrible everywhere. They need to acquire picks and more importantly- USE THE PICKS WISELY.
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2-0 now in this three game must win stretch of games. Wasn't pretty, and this team ain't good. But the whole back half of the schedule isn't great aside from Vikings.
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2-0 now in this three game must win stretch of games. Wasn't pretty, and this team ain't good. But the whole back half of the schedule isn't great aside from Vikings.
they displayed a graphic at the end of the game- the winning pct of the remaining teams on the Lions' schedule is .384. It's the second easiest schedule on paper the rest of the way behind only the Jags schedule. The Atlanta, Carolina, and Steelers losses loom large. They were in every one of those games, if they had just won 1 of those games. Every game counts in this league. If they can't win 5 of the next 7, they might as well just fire Caldwell at the end of the year.
Very flawed team that Stafford masks a lot for. Feel like he is the entire team. They don't have a true #1 WR, which is OK because Stafford can make all the receivers better. Ebron is a waste of space and a bum at TE. The RB's are mediocre. The OL has been banged up all year. And the defense is too inconsistent. I really wish Suh hadn't left. He was so dominant in the middle. Call me crazy, but they aren't that far away from being a real contender. They hit the right picks in the draft, get some better luck on the injury front to that OL next year and sign a couple key F/A they'll be right in the thick of it.
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Stafford will be 30 next season. If they max out the next 3-4 years with him, I'll take that. He's really really good, but he's not Brady or Brees or Rodgers. He's not going to be elite at 40. This is his window.
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they displayed a graphic at the end of the game- the winning pct of the remaining teams on the Lions' schedule is .384. It's the second easiest schedule on paper the rest of the way behind only the Jags schedule. The Atlanta, Carolina, and Steelers losses loom large. They were in every one of those games, if they had just won 1 of those games. Every game counts in this league. If they can't win 5 of the next 7, they might as well just fire Caldwell at the end of the year.
Very flawed team that Stafford masks a lot for. Feel like he is the entire team. They don't have a true #1 WR, which is OK because Stafford can make all the receivers better. Ebron is a waste of space and a bum at TE. The RB's are mediocre. The OL has been banged up all year. And the defense is too inconsistent. I really wish Suh hadn't left. He was so dominant in the middle. Call me crazy, but they aren't that far away from being a real contender. They hit the right picks in the draft, get some better luck on the injury front to that OL next year and sign a couple key F/A they'll be right in the thick of it.
Agreed. I've largely liked Bob Quinn though. I have faith the surrounding roster will continue to improve. Brady and Belicheck got a lot of undeserving assistants head coaching jobs, but the personnel evaluation was always good. Quinn was a big part of that.
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Every 4 years the Lions get to play the Browns, and it's the one time every 64 games you know the Lions will actually be out-stupided
You-You-You-you're not wrong
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Steelers call timeout to run a two point play, and still take a delay of game.
Browns call a QB keeper at the 2 with 15 sec. left in the half and no t.o.'s :91:
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the only thing more enjoyable than watching the Packers lose last week is watching the Cowboys lose this week
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Stafford will be 30 next season. If they max out the next 3-4 years with him, I'll take that. He's really really good, but he's not Brady or Brees or Rodgers. He's not going to be elite at 40. This is his window.
Oh I agree 100%. He's probably got a solid 5 years left playing at a high level.
He's not Brady or Rodgers. NOBODY in the fricken league is though. Those are probably two of the top 5 best QB's to ever touch a football.
I think he's right there in that same tier below those two guys with Brees, Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson.
I'd love to see them take a RB in the 2nd round or 3rd rd. This a good crop of RB's in the 2018 draft. Might be able to grab a Nick Chubb, Damien Harris, Derrius Guice, Sony Michel, Ronald Jones, Bryce Love, Royce Freeman, or Bo Scarbarough in the 2nd or 3rd.
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Bills new coach Sean McDermott benches starting QB Tyrod Taylor in favor of 5th round rookie QB Nathan Peterman. Looks a little from the outside looking in like he's looking for a scapegoat to take pressure off his own ass.
Taylor isn't a stud QB or anything, but it's not like he's completely awful and throwing pick 6's and stinking the joint up. He actually plays too conservatively if anything- the guy has only thrown 7 INT's in his entire career 6 1/2 year career. I don't think he's a franchise QB but he just might be the best back-up QB in the league. Bills have way more problems then just the QB. Never bought the hype on them when they were 5-2 and were a "surprise" team. They've got 6 games left- they're probably going to lose 5 of them.
It's a 6-10 roster. They basically let all of their talent go. Didn't re-sign Robert Woods. Traded away Sammy Watkins. They actually traded FOR an over-weight, slow WR who doesn't get separation and drops too many passes in Kelvin Benjamin. Carolina's offense looks night and day better with him gone. Cam isn't forcing the ball to his BFF Benjamin and Funchess- who is just a better, more athletic non-fat version of Benjamin has had some nice games and they are starting to get Dylan McCaffrey and Curtis Samuel's speed involved in the passing game as well.
Bills are a mess. Seems like it's pretty unfair to pin that on Tyrod Taylor.
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I don't think of it as a scapegoat, as knowing he's fired on the current trajectory, so he has to change something up as a hail mary to turn it around. If it works, awesome. If it doesn't, well he was going to get fired anyway, so who cares if it actually makes them worse.
Yes, it's unfair to Taylor though.
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I don't think of it as a scapegoat, as knowing he's fired on the current trajectory, so he has to change something up as a hail mary to turn it around. If it works, awesome. If it doesn't, well he was going to get fired anyway, so who cares if it actually makes them worse.
Yes, it's unfair to Taylor though.
I can see both sides to the argument. It's McDermott's first year with the Bills, so I don't think he's in any real danger of being fired, not like the season was a disaster like the 49ers or Giants or Browns where you're looking at 0 or 1 wins. This is why I feel like he's just trying to buy himself more time and scapegoat Taylor.
You just have to really question a lot of their front office personnel decisions. They traded away probably their most talented defensive player in Marcell Dareus for a ham sandwhich. I get that the guy is a handful off the field, but he's a big-time talent.
Taylor isn't great but it's not like he's got a lot of receiving help either. For some inexplicable reason they actually traded for Fat Benjamin, meanwhile two guys the Bills threw away- Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins- are looking excellent for the Rams and are sparking a turnaround and bringing Jared Goff to life. Outside of Julio Jones, there probably isn't a more physically gifted specimen at WR in the entire NFL than Sammy Watkins and they basically gave up on him.
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I don't know why I was thinking he was on the hot seat. Yeah, no, I take back what I said
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Taylor isn't great but it's not like he's got a lot of receiving help either. For some inexplicable reason they actually traded for Fat Benjamin, meanwhile two guys the Bills threw away- Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins- are looking excellent for the Rams and are sparking a turnaround and bringing Jared Goff to life. Outside of Julio Jones, there probably isn't a more physically gifted specimen at WR in the entire NFL than Sammy Watkins and they basically gave up on him.
I've been watching Watkins and the Rams somewhat closely as I drafted him for my fantasy team this year, and dropped him midseason for Robert Woods.
The Rams' are criminally under-using Watkins. Woods has more receptions than Watkins has targets, and Kupp has almost as many receptions as Watkins has targets. They're throwing the ball barely more than three times a game to Watkins (and he's catching 2 passes a game). Both other WR far outstrip Watkins' yardage too.
I don't for the life of me understand why the Rams bothered to trade for Watkins when you barely treat him as anything more than a "run a vertical route as a decoy" guy every play.
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Jerry Jones about to go to war with the gigantic douche nozzel known as Roger Goodell? That's what ESPN is reporting. Say what you will about the guy as a GM, he sucks, but when it comes to business no one has done more for the NFL. Jerry helped turned the NFL into the money machine that it is- he was a pioneer in a lot of ways in terms of sponsorship, endorsement deals, TV contracts, and bringing big-time corporate money into the NFL. LINK (http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/21441056/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-bitter-battle-saw-coming-led-dallas-cowboys-owner-jerry-jones)
favorite excerpt from the article....apparently Jerry called Robert Kraft a pussy. LMAO.
Finally, according to sources with direct knowledge of the call, Jones broke the silence. He aimed his words not only at Goodell's decision but also at his role as judge, jury and executioner in the case. "I'm gonna come after you with everything I have," Jones said. Then he mentioned Deflategate. "If you think Bob Kraft came after you hard, Bob Kraft is a p---y compared to what I'm going to do."
Go get 'em Jerry. It's absolutely f'ing RIDICULOUS that Goodell has been making as much as he has and he was asking for an extension of $50 million per year, a life-time use of private jets, and life-time health insurance for himself and his family. The players don't even get life-time health insurance. What a fricken ASS HOLE. NOBODY is worth that kind of money. A million idiots could do that job. The NBA commissioner is making $9 million a year. You mean to tell me the NFL commissioner is worth $50 million + benefits like life-time private jet and life-time health insurance? You're making $50 million a year. Charter your own f'ing jets and buy your own health insurance. Makes perfect business sense to not extend Goodell. He's not worth that kind of money. Nobody is. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people who could do that job and for a lot less money. ANYBODY could do that job. $50 million a year plus a life-time private jet plus life-time health insurance? GTFO Roger.
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I hope & pray the NFL bellies up.Brazen unyielding greed F@#!$)*%^& them all
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Lions survive the Bears to move to 6-4. Setting up a huge home game with major implications for the division and playoffs on Thanksgiving against division leaders 8-2 Vikings. Who would've thought Vikings would be 8-2 at this point without starters Sam Bradford at QB or Dalvin Cook at RB? Not me.
Lions need this one bad. All I can think about in a game like this is how much better they would be had they not drafted that bum Eric Ebron with the #10 pick in the 2014 draft. Next 3 picks? LT Taylor Lewan, WR Odell Beckham Jr, and DT Aaron Donald. All 3 have made multiple Pro Bowls and all 3 were ranked by other players in the NFL Networks Top 100 players of 2017. Could've got one of those 3. Instead got a waste of space TE who can't catch.
WR wasn't a huge need seeing as how nobody could've imagined Calvin walking away so suddenly, but OL and DL definitely were. Especially with Suh in the last year of his contract and a deal not being close to done.
I just keep imagining a Lewan/Decker tackle duo and get real pissed off.
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The Browns still have a 1 in 19,649,922,085,696,900,000 chance of making the Playoffs
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/good-news-browns-your-chances-of-making-the-playoffs-are-only-1-in-19-quintillion/
First, Cleveland wins out — that’s the easy part. Then the Browns need the following: Week 12 wins from Kansas City, Tennessee, New England, Houston, Dallas and Carolina; Week 13 wins from New England, Denver, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Detroit and the Giants; Week 14 wins from Indianapolis, the Jets, Kansas City, New England, Chicago, Washington and San Francisco; Week 15 wins from Denver, Kansas City, Miami, Jacksonville, New Orleans, Minnesota and Dallas; Week 16 wins for Baltimore, Kansas City, San Diego, New England, Pittsburgh and Washington; and Week 17 wins for Kansas City, Indianapolis, New England and Cincinnati. Also, the Broncos and Raiders need to tie in Week 12, and the Bills and Dolphins need to tie in Week 17.
If all this happens, there would be four AFC teams with a record of 5-10-1 and five more at 5-11. The Patriots, Steelers, Chiefs and Titans would win their respective divisions, and the Jaguars would get the first wild card at 12-4. That leaves the Ravens and Browns tied for the last spot at 6-10. The Browns would win the tiebreaker (http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures) because their Week 15 win over Baltimore would split the season series, and Cleveland would have a better record in the division.
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Case Keenum and the Vikes are pretty good
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Holy shit. Think Antonio Brown saw the show Julio put on earlier?
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Holy shit. Think Antonio Brown saw the show Julio put on earlier?
how the F was he a 2 star recruit with little to no college offers and wind up at Central Michigan and then go in the 6th round?
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He wasn't even anything like this at CMU. He was an elite returner, but as a WR he never struck me as more than just a solid MAC WR.
I can now point to him being on that 2009 team that beat MSU, but honestly I remember Dan LeFevour, who had a cup of coffee with the Bears, being the much bigger factor.
At least Julio was an all world Bama player.
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the guys that assign stars whiffed
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how the F was he a 2 star recruit with little to no college offers and wind up at Central Michigan and then go in the 6th round?
My girlfriend and I were watching SNF last night and she was remarking on how he's not a big guy. So I actually looked him up. 5'10", 180#.
I'm guessing that's why. If he was 6'2" and 215#, he'd have been 4-5* and a 2nd rounder.
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If he was 6'2" and 215#, he'd have been 4-5* and a 2nd rounder.
the guys assigning stars are fools
you'd think they'd know better if they have any experience
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the guys assigning stars are fools
you'd think they'd know better if they have any experience
the guys assigning stars are pretty accurate when it comes to ranking WR's and CB's. Seems like the easy positions to rank though.
Where the star assigners really just shit the bed time after time is OL and QB.
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WRs
Jerry Rice - Miss Valley St
Terrell Owens - Tee-Chatt
Randy Moss - Marshall ( Know Lou Holtz wanted him at Notre Dame)
Isaac Bruce - Memphis
Larry Fitzgerald - Pitt
Tony Gonzalez - Cal
Tim Brown - ND (a big recruit and star guy)
Steve Smith - Utah
Marvin Harrison - Syracuse
Reggie Wayne - Miami (2 big recruit- star guys in the top ten)
we could talk about others such as
James Lofton - stanford
Henry Ellard - Fresno
Torry Holt - NC St - basketball school
Andre Reed - Kutztown
Steve Largent - Tulsa
Art Monk - Syracuse
Jimmy Smith - Jackson St.
Brandon Marshall - Central Florida
Charlie Joiner - Grambling St.
Derrick Mason - Michigan St - maybe he didn't like Michigan and Ohio St. but had the stars
Muhsin Muhammad - Michigan St.
Rod Smith - Missouri Southern
Keenan McCardell - UNLV
Antonio Gates - Kent St.
Chad Johnson - Oregon St.
Roddy White - Ala-Birmingham
Gary Clark - James Madison
Harold Jackson - Jackson St.
Andre Rison - Michigan St
Donald Driver - Alcorn St.
Shannon Sharp - Savannah St.
Eric Moulds - Mississippi St.
Wes Welker - Texas Tech
Marques Colston - Hofstra
Antonio Brown - Central Michigan
All on the top 50 list of the most receiving yards in NFL history
maybe the high school recruiting gurus REALLY liked most of these guys, but not many helmet teams on the list, so I'm guessing they weren't recruited offered by the big guys
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm)
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Antonio Gates didn't even play football at Kent St.
He was a star basketball player on a pretty good hoops team.
Kent St is by far the worst D1 team in Ohio, even including Youngstown St, but they have done the bulk of the heavy lifting when it comes to producing Pro Bowl caliber NFL talent.
Josh Cribbs, Jerome Harrison, Antonio Gates, Julian Eddleman...
Amazing, really.
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WRs
Jerry Rice - Miss Valley St
Terrell Owens - Tee-Chatt
Randy Moss - Marshall ( Know Lou Holtz wanted him at Notre Dame)
Isaac Bruce - Memphis
Larry Fitzgerald - Pitt
Tony Gonzalez - Cal
Tim Brown - ND (a big recruit and star guy)
Steve Smith - Utah
Marvin Harrison - Syracuse
Reggie Wayne - Miami (2 big recruit- star guys in the top ten)
we could talk about others such as
James Lofton - stanford
Henry Ellard - Fresno
Torry Holt - NC St - basketball school
Andre Reed - Kutztown
Steve Largent - Tulsa
Art Monk - Syracuse
Jimmy Smith - Jackson St.
Brandon Marshall - Central Florida
Charlie Joiner - Grambling St.
Derrick Mason - Michigan St - maybe he didn't like Michigan and Ohio St. but had the stars
Muhsin Muhammad - Michigan St.
Rod Smith - Missouri Southern
Keenan McCardell - UNLV
Antonio Gates - Kent St.
Chad Johnson - Oregon St.
Roddy White - Ala-Birmingham
Gary Clark - James Madison
Harold Jackson - Jackson St.
Andre Rison - Michigan St
Donald Driver - Alcorn St.
Shannon Sharp - Savannah St.
Eric Moulds - Mississippi St.
Wes Welker - Texas Tech
Marques Colston - Hofstra
Antonio Brown - Central Michigan
All on the top 50 list of the most receiving yards in NFL history
maybe the high school recruiting gurus REALLY liked most of these guys, but not many helmet teams on the list, so I'm guessing they weren't recruited offered by the big guys
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm)
Most of those guys were around before the STARZ era of online recruiting sites which really kicked off in 2003-2004.
Randy Moss by the way would've been the equivalent of a 5 STARZ. He was committed to play for Notre Dame but the athletic department wouldn't admit him so he went to Florida State instead. And then got kicked out of FSU pretty quickly for failing drug tests.
You look at the receiver rankings from like 2008-present- they've been pretty accurate.
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I gotta disagree, unless you think a 50/50 mix of guys from big recruiting schools and no name schools is a good ratio
this list is current NFL season stats
for every Julio Jones and AJ Green there's an Antonio Brown and Adam Thielen and Keenan Allen
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYards/year/2017/seasontype/2 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYards/year/2017/seasontype/2)
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didn't see the video until today- but Jabrill Peppers had what sure looks to me like a legal hit on a Bengals WR where he absolutely BLEW UP a Bengals WR hitting him in the chest on 3rd down causing an incompletion and saved a big play and would've forced the Bengals to punt....but somehow it was called a helmet to helmet hit of a defenseless receiver personal foul penalty- even though Peppers' helmet never touched the Bengals' WR's head. Browns were down 23-16 with 3:50 mins left in the game. They don't call that a flag, Bengals have to punt and Browns get the ball with a chance to tie it up.
LINK (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000883054/Jabrill-Peppers-delivers-monster-hit-on-Josh-Malone)
NFL needs to get their shit together. That was a WEAK call and it's one of the reasons they are losing ratings. It's like they are completely trying to take the LEGAL big hits out of the game. It's ridiculous. NFL defenders might as well just go low and after players' knees. They won't get called for it. But I bet if you ask offensive players 100% of them would say they'd rather defenders hit them where Peppers did than to go after their knees.
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I gotta disagree, unless you think a 50/50 mix of guys from big recruiting schools and no name schools is a good ratio
this list is current NFL season stats
for every Julio Jones and AJ Green there's an Antonio Brown and Adam Thielen and Keenan Allen
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYards/year/2017/seasontype/2 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYards/year/2017/seasontype/2)
Kennan Allen was a 5 STARZ.
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Antonio Gates didn't even play football at Kent St.
He was a star basketball player on a pretty good hoops team.
Kent St is by far the worst D1 team in Ohio, even including Youngstown St, but they have done the bulk of the heavy lifting when it comes to producing Pro Bowl caliber NFL talent.
Josh Cribbs, Jerome Harrison, Antonio Gates, Julian Eddleman...
Amazing, really.
Gates was always a better football player, but he loved basketball. Saban only got him to MSU by lying to him about letting him play both. No high major schools were offering him for basketball.
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Gates was always a better football player, but he loved basketball. Saban only got him to MSU by lying to him about letting him play both. No high major schools were offering him for basketball.
yep. I remember that actually. He was a big-time football recruit in Detroit. He was an elite level football prospect. Michigan, Ohio State- everyone offered him. He was an after thought as a basketball prospect, but he loved basketball and he never gave up that dream. Sacrificed what would've been a big-time college football career to play basketball.
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LINK (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000883054/Jabrill-Peppers-delivers-monster-hit-on-Josh-Malone)
NFL needs to get their shit together. That was a WEAK call and it's one of the reasons they are losing ratings.
I don't like the call either - it's tackle football
but, watching from the end zone angle in slo-mo, you can see that the helmets did touch and the WRs head moved
I don't think there was enuff contact, but weak as it was, I can understand the call
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Lions survive the Bears to move to 6-4. Setting up a huge home game with major implications for the division and playoffs on Thanksgiving against division leaders 8-2 Vikings. Who would've thought Vikings would be 8-2 at this point without starters Sam Bradford at QB or Dalvin Cook at RB? Not me.
Lions need this one bad. All I can think about in a game like this is how much better they would be had they not drafted that bum Eric Ebron with the #10 pick in the 2014 draft. Next 3 picks? LT Taylor Lewan, WR Odell Beckham Jr, and DT Aaron Donald. All 3 have made multiple Pro Bowls and all 3 were ranked by other players in the NFL Networks Top 100 players of 2017. Could've got one of those 3. Instead got a waste of space TE who can't catch.
WR wasn't a huge need seeing as how nobody could've imagined Calvin walking away so suddenly, but OL and DL definitely were. Especially with Suh in the last year of his contract and a deal not being close to done.
I just keep imagining a Lewan/Decker tackle duo and get real pissed off.
I could understand not getting Beckham if CJ was still on the team. Even Lewan too (character issues). The Ebron over Donald thing, someone needs to be fired for that. Suh left, he was the consensus best defensive player in CFB and had a very good combine.
Lions need a WR in the worst way now though. During the Vikings game, when they were breaking down players and all the WRs were just blanketed. Meanwhile the Vikings WRs were wide freaking open every passing play.
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the guys assigning stars are pretty accurate when it comes to ranking WR's and CB's. Seems like the easy positions to rank though.
Where the star assigners really just shit the bed time after time is OL and QB.
Yeah, but I think the ranking guys tend to overvalue raw athletic size/measurables. Which is how some of the other guys slip through their rankings. I looked up Rivals and Antonio Brown was only 5'10" and 160# back when he was in HS.
Usually RB/WR/DB/LB are the positions where raw athletic size/ability translates most directly to actual performance.
QB is much more related to decision-making and ability to perform under pressure. As Jay Cutler said (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/07/jay-cutler-im-a-quarterback-i-dont-have-to-be-in-great-shape/), he's a quarterback so he doesn't need to be great shape.
OL/DL is a crapshoot because it's hard to predict how a HS player's physical body will change when he gets to college and starts trying to put on "big boy" muscles. And OL specifically is as much related to how well a player can identify assignments in a fluid defensive environment as part of a cohesive unit with 4 other guys. OL in the NFL typically scores highest on the Wonderlic test (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_test#Average_score_in_the_NFL_by_position), which suggests that there's a lot more to the position than pure athleticism.
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Giants bench Eli Manning. Geno Smith to start. Wow. Always thought Eli was mediocre at best, but this feels a lot like McAdoo/front office scape-goating Eli for their horrific season and not taking blame.
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Jimmy Garoppolo to make his first start for the 49ers against the Bears this Sunday. I don't know why they were waiting so long to finally play him, but it's here.
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Giants bench Eli Manning. Geno Smith to start. Wow. Always thought Eli was mediocre at best, but this feels a lot like McAdoo/front office scape-goating Eli for their horrific season and not taking blame.
Yeah, if that's the case, it's ridiculous. McAdoo and the front office came into the year without doing anything to fix their offensive line. They've not had a suitable NFL running back for years. Then their WR corps became decimated by injury, which in Brandon Marshall's case, might have been addition by subtraction as it was comical that they even tried to sign him. Now their best WR is a rookie TE.
Eli's not a great QB by any stretch, but when you put him behind a terrible OL, give him no RB to hand off to and no WR to throw to, what would you expect? I wonder if Smith will give a 5-INT first half like Peterman did in Buffalo...
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Browns WR Josh Gordon to make his first start this Sunday in what has to be 3 years.
I thought after that break-out 2013 season he'd go on to be one of the best WR's in the NFL for a decade. Boy was I wrong.
I thought after Braylon's break-out 2007 season that he'd go on to be one of the best WR's in the NFL for a decade. Boy was I wrong.
What is it with Browns drafting supremely talented players at the wide receiver position that are complete a-holes? Oh wait, that's right...they're the Cleveland Browns.
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He wasn't even anything like this at CMU. He was an elite returner, but as a WR he never struck me as more than just a solid MAC WR.
I can now point to him being on that 2009 team that beat MSU, but honestly I remember Dan LeFevour, who had a cup of coffee with the Bears, being the much bigger factor.
At least Julio was an all world Bama player.
I remember watching him. LeFevour was more integral to their success because well QB but he was really good at CMU. Had seasons of 102, 93 and 110 catches and went pro early.
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why can't I quit the Lions? :'(
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this just in....
Case Keenum is pretty good and the Viking's defense is solid
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this just in....
Case Keenum is pretty good and the Viking's defense is solid
he's been pretty good for awhile. Going on 9-10 weeks maybe. Should probably win the NFL "Where the F#!# did he come from and play so well" Award of the year.
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this just in....
Case Keenum is pretty good and the Viking's defense is solid
He's gonna get paid...ala Scott Mitchell.
Prayer picked a fine day to suck. And yikes, Rudock just discovered this ain't the preseason.
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Keenum gonna get paid? I don't think anybody will offer him a ridiculous contract, but yeah he'll get paid.
Jimmy G in his first start for the 49ers goes 26 of 37 for 293 yards and pulls out a 4th quarter come from behind win over the Bears, 15-14.
I think Jimmy G gonna get PAID more. Franchise tag probably, so what's that for a QB in 2018? $26-27 million guaranteed THAT season. Lotta dough.
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I've been telling my viking fan friends for weeks....
keep Bradford and Keenum
trade Teddy for a first round pick or a solid O-lineman now! If you get a first round pick, take the best O-lineman.
don't know if Keenum's contract expires at the end of the season
kid can spin it like Bradford
this from a Viking fan that lived through countless horrible QBs with Childress and Frazier
gotta have a QB and a backup in the NFL
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I've been telling my viking fan friends for weeks....
keep Bradford and Keenum
trade Teddy for a first round pick or a solid O-lineman now! If you get a first round pick, take the best O-lineman.
don't know if Keenum's contract expires at the end of the season
kid can spin it like Bradford
this from a Viking fan that lived through countless horrible QBs with Childress and Frazier
gotta have a QB and a backup in the NFL
probably couldn't get anything more than a 5th round pick for Teddy. I'd rather keep him than have a 5th round pick.
Gotta have multiple back-up QB's in the NFL when your QB is Sam Bradford. That dude is made of glass.
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5th round is what Teddy is worth, but as you know GMs get desperate and give much more than they should for marginal QBs
a second round O-lineman would really give the Vikes better O-line play or at least better depth along the o-line
O-linemen seem to be injured at about the same rate as QBs. Gotta have a few in the wings
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this just in....
Case Keenum is pretty good and the Viking's defense is solid
Vikings arguably have the best No. 1-2 WR combo in the NFL. There are some advanced metrics guys who have shown that the WRs have bailed Keenum out an abnormal number of times. However props to Keenum though, who's finally taking advantage of a good offense to work with.
I remember watching the Lions-Vikings game. The Vikings WRs were wide freaking open while Stafford had to thread passes into WRs who were blanketed all game.
I'd try to keep Keenum because he works well there but I not sure if I would go over Glennon money to keep him.
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I remember watching the Lions-Vikings game. The Vikings WRs were wide freaking open while Stafford had to thread passes into WRs who were blanketed all game.
it's like Stafford has to play out of his mind or the Lions have no chance. There are even times when he does and it's still not enough.
His talent is ridiculous but they'll never win anything with him unless they fire Caldwell and get him some help.
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Vikings arguably have the best No. 1-2 WR combo in the NFL. Theilen is good, but.... Huh???
I'd try to keep Keenum because he works well there but I not sure if I would go over Glennon money to keep him. I wouldn't pay an unreasoanable amount, but he's worth more than Teddy or most backup QBs.
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Wow, just saw the Gronk cheap shot. That better he a multi game suspension. Rest of the regular season wouldn't be outrageous. That is probably the dirtiest hit I've ever seen in an NFL game.
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Wow, just saw the Gronk cheap shot. That better he a multi game suspension. Rest of the regular season wouldn't be outrageous. That is probably the dirtiest hit I've ever seen in an NFL game.
I wouldn't go that far. Rest of season?
Absolute filthy cheap shot though, and Gronk should have to pay a hefty fine and be suspended 1 game. 2 max. He doesn't have a history of this stuff, which they take into account. If this was like Burfict- who has a pattern of history then I'd say rest of year.
But yeah, it was terrible and Gronkowski should be ashamed. I saw Belichik apologize to the other coach and say it was bullshit.
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That's worse than anything I've ever seen Suh or Burfict or Harrison do. By a long shot. Not even remotely part of the play.
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That's worse than anything I've ever seen Suh or Burfict or Harrison do. By a long shot. Not even remotely part of the play.
Those guys all had a loooong history of dirty play. NFL takes your history into acct when they dole out punishment and fines.
Yeah, it was real bad. Not sure I'd say it's anything worse than Suh. He stomped out a guy. On Thanksgiving. He did something kinda similar to Cutler. Suh is an amazing player but he's maybe the dirtiest player of his era.
I'll be shocked if Gronk isn't suspended 1-2 games. He deserves at least 1. Maybe even 2.
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Those guys all had a loooong history of dirty play. NFL takes your history into acct when they dole out punishment and fines.
Yeah, it was real bad. Not sure I'd say it's anything worse than Suh. He stomped out a guy. On Thanksgiving. He did something kinda similar to Cutler. Suh is an amazing player but he's maybe the dirtiest player of his era.
I'll be shocked if Gronk isn't suspended 1-2 games. He deserves at least 1. Maybe even 2.
He stomped on a leg I think?
Three things that are the major no nos. Extremely late hits, intent to injure plays and blows to the head. This is the first one I can think of that checks all three boxes.
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wasn't much of a stomp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaojAiK-8JU
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Giants fire McAdoo and will bench Geno Smith and go back to Eli as the QB. If I'm Eli I tell them thanks but no thanks. Lol.
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Ah, didn't realize Steelers-Patriots play in two weeks. Yeah, no way Goodell was going to let that be more than 1 game.
Obviously diving at a guys head well after to play with the intent to injure him is about 1/4 as bad as not liking the footballs fully inflated.
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Gronk suspended 1 game by the NFL for the cheap shot on the rookie CB of the Bills Tre'Davious White.
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No clue how players can keep going after seeing Shazier. I have never seen anything like that.
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No clue how players can keep going after seeing Shazier. I have never seen anything like that.
That was gut wrenching to see. I pray to god he's ok. Seems like there are more injuries in the NFL than ever. These guys are all just so big and so strong and so fast, the game has never been more stacked with more great freakish athletes than it is now and when they collide bad things happen.
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Please please do not that be what it looks like. God speed Shazier.
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Love the announcers repeatedly saying this is bad for football...when they knew exactly what they were looking for in putting this game on Monday Night
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Was the hit on Burfict dirty? I don't see it.
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Love the announcers repeatedly saying this is bad for football...when they knew exactly what they were looking for in putting this game on Monday Night
yeah this is one of the nastiest rivalries in the NFL, and the Bengals defense features the dirtiest player in the NFL aside from Suh in Vontaze Burfict. Really bad idea to make this one the showcase game on Monday night.
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Was the hit on Burfict dirty? I don't see it.
Dirty in the sense it was against the rules. Three years ago it's a great block. Clearly illegal now though. The messed up part was that he stood over him and taunted after knocking a guy out with an illegal block, in a game where your teammate was taken off in a stretcher. That was the classless part
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Smith-Schuster and the Bengals DB who put the head-to-head hit on AB's TD catch suspended for a game each.
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Smith-Schuster and the Bengals DB who put the head-to-head hit on AB's TD catch suspended for a game each.
Those were both dirty hits within the confines of the play. No way should either guy get the same penalty as Gronk whose play was just as dangerous, but WELL after the whistle while the guy was lying on the ground, making it also 100% dirty.
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Those were both dirty hits within the confines of the play. No way should either guy get the same penalty as Gronk whose play was just as dangerous, but WELL after the whistle while the guy was lying on the ground, making it also 100% dirty.
Agreed. That Gronk hit was absolutely unconscionable. Completely unnecessary, after the play, and with intent to harm.
I was watching the game last night, and the Smith-Schuster hit was a bit of a blindside and there was some helmet-to-helmet. Within the rules of the game as they are today, I think he went beyond the rules. That said, if he hadn't stood above Burfict taunting him, it might not have even been called as it wasn't *so* egregious, and not being on a ballcarrier hits like that often go unnoticed. A few years ago, that's just a great block. Now, that's a penalty.
The DB on Brown was a similar hit. You're a DB and you're trying to hit a guy hard enough that he doesn't hold onto the ball. That's your job. He managed to launch himself headfirst at Brown's head, which absolutely deserved the penalty, but he was trying like hell to stop a TD catch. He went over the line.
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on the Schuster hit and in game penalty
15 yards for the hit during the play, AFTER the play was dead, 15 yards for taunting - 30 yards total
this is why Gronk should have a 2-game suspension at a minimum, because these other hits are within the game and get 1-game
there's a 100% difference, should be a 100% difference in number of games suspended
Belichick should suspend him the additional game if the NFL doesn't
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The Browns hired....Grigson?
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The Browns hired....Grigson?
the same guy the Colts fired for ruining their roster and botching the draft every year?
That's so Cleveland Browns. Browns gonna Browns.
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Wow. They saw the Lions fail to be able to blow up their own stadium, and sure as hell weren't about to let Detroit steal the ineptitude headlines back.
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Wow. They saw the Lions fail to be able to blow up their own stadium, and sure as hell weren't about to let Detroit steal the ineptitude headlines back.
every time I feel bad for myself for being a Lions fan, I remember it could be worse....I could be a Browns fan.
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First time I've watched the colts this season. I'm not really watching the colts of course. Might be snowiest game I've seen since a Tampa Bay at Green Bay game in the 80s.
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Giants hanging tough with Cowboys until bottoming out in 3rd Q. Cowboys cap a third straight scoring drive with a TD run to go up 30-10 w/ 3:00 left.
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Browns blow what at one point was a 14 point lead to lose to an Aaron Rodgers-less Green Bay Packers squad in OT to the tune of 27-21 to fall to 0-13.
3 games left, they can still catch the Lions and tie the 0-16 record for the worst season ever! I'm rooting for you Browns.
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I'm admittedly not as plugged into the NFL as I used to be but I thought CBS just broadcast games with AFC teams. I turned on CBS today and the Vikings-Panthers game was on. Fox had Giants-Cowboys. What happened? What did I miss?
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Seahawks rookie DL Malik McDowell arrested in Atlanta over an incident at a nightclub. This is after he lost his rookie season because of an ATV accident.
This kind of crap is why he went in the 2nd round. He had top 10 talent. If he was a committed football player and an adult he would've been a top 10 pick. Million dollar talent, tent cent head.
What a waste of a rookie year. He had the talent and potential to get in that DL rotation with Frank Clark, Sheldon Richardson, Jarran Reed, Michael Bennett, and Cliff Avril (when he gets back) to have maybe the best DL in the entire league.
Btw, the immature dipshit even liked the TMZ tweet about his arrest. Jesus man. How dumb can someone be?
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/report-seahawk-rookie-malik-mcdowell-arrested-in-atlanta-for-disorderly-conduct/
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Speaking of the Seahawks DL and immature dogcrap Quinton Jefferson didn't like his ejection ensuing from the game ending scuffle and tried to climb into the stands and fight fans after one threw a cup at him as he walked off the field. Doing his best impression of Charles Oakley as sideline security subdued him. (https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/940020386095419392/photo/1)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQufjhoVoAA7nuW.jpg)
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Seahawks rookie DL Malik McDowell arrested in Atlanta over an incident at a nightclub. This is after he lost his rookie season because of an ATV accident.
This kind of crap is why he went in the 2nd round. He had top 10 talent. If he was a committed football player and an adult he would've been a top 10 pick. Million dollar talent, tent cent head.
What a waste of a rookie year. He had the talent and potential to get in that DL rotation with Frank Clark
Ya well having Frank Clark as his chaperone could be part of the problem
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I'm admittedly not as plugged into the NFL as I used to be but I thought CBS just broadcast games with AFC teams. I turned on CBS today and the Vikings-Panthers game was on. Fox had Giants-Cowboys. What happened? What did I miss?
While this is typically true, since the introduction of the 'flexing' for NBC, CBS/FOX (in the last TV deal) were able to capture the rights to a game which they would have not otherwise had rights to, as this would result in CBS or Fox not having enough games, or the same amount of games they would otherwise have, but for the 'flex' by NBC. Known as 'cross flex' policy. I'm sure it is more complicated than that, given how the classify games as 'A', 'B' or 'C', but that's basically why you may see games on the 'other' network.
Typically, the visiting conference network owns rights to a cross conference game. When both teams are in the same conference, yes, that network would have those broadcast rights, but for these cross flex scenarios.
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Not your typical AFC North defensive struggle. Weird playcalling by Pittsburgh there gives plenty of time for Baltimore, who has been moving up and down the field at will since late second quarter, to get in range of the best kicker ever.
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Caught about half the Eagles - Rams slugfest.Man lot of hard hitting and back/forth scoring.Wentz appears to be done for the season when he scored on a run.Browns...UGH,officiating wasn't a help but plenty of missed tackles along with opportunities
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that Steelers offense is a thing of beauty to watch when it is clicking. I think Ben is obviously a top 10 QB, not what he was but still great. Antonio Brown has separated himself from every other WR in the game today, no disrespect to Julio, but Brown is hands down the best receiver in the league. He is playing at a Jerry Rice level. He is literally unguardable, his route running is so precise and his hands are so good, it's insane. Bell might be the best RB in the leauge, if not #1, he's top 3 at the very worst. They have a good OL and some nice complimentary pieces at WR/TE. Nobody in the entire league has the complete offensive package like the Steelers.
Kind of crazy to think about that triple headed monster of Ben, Bell, and Brown- almost nobody recruited any of them out of high school. All 3 of them are elite players at their position and I'd say Ben is already a HOF lock, Brown is getting damn close to becoming a HOF lock, he's on that path for sure, and Bell is just beginning his career but if he keeps this up for another 5-6 years he'll be in Canton.
Just absolutely amazing to me that none of them were really recruited. Roethsliberger was right in Ohio State's backyard and I think the only school that offered him as a QB was Miami of Ohio. Imagine those Buckeye teams of 2002-2003 with Ben Roehtlisberger starting at QB. Ohio State might've went back to back as National champs with the guy as their QB. No offense to Craig Krenzel, but he's not Big Ben. Ben would've made those teams virtually unbeatable.
Antonio Brown was from Miami and not one of the Big 3 in Florida recruited him. He wound up at Central Michigan because they were one of the few schools that offered him a scholarship. Le'Veon Bell was a 2* recruit from Ohio who dreamed of playing for Ohio State and was never offered. The only other offers he had before Michigan State swooped in were Bowling Green, Marshall, and Eastern Michigan. Just kind of crazy to me that all 3 of them were overlooked so badly.
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Just absolutely amazing to me that none of them were really recruited. Roethsliberger was right in Ohio State's backyard and I think the only school that offered him as a QB was Miami of Ohio.
IIRC he got a really late offer from Pitt, after he had already committed to Miami, and told Pitt coaches he was honoring his commitment to the school who had been recruiting him all along.
Not sure that happens today, but 10, even 20 years ago, you rarely saw kids flip, and Ben also wasn't going to do it.
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that Steelers offense is a thing of beauty to watch when it is clicking. I think Ben is obviously a top 10 QB, not what he was but still great. Antonio Brown has separated himself from every other WR in the game today, no disrespect to Julio, but Brown is hands down the best receiver in the league. He is playing at a Jerry Rice level. He is literally unguardable, his route running is so precise and his hands are so good, it's insane. Bell might be the best RB in the leauge, if not #1, he's top 3 at the very worst. They have a good OL and some nice complimentary pieces at WR/TE. Nobody in the entire league has the complete offensive package like the Steelers.
Antonio Brown is having a rare MVP of the League type year at his position. Julio and Magatron are more physically imposing at their position, and yes, O'Dell Beckham has some miracle catches, but Brown is playing at that rare height achieved only briefly by Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Randy Moss in the past 15 seasons.
And yes, I'm not at all a Steelers fan, but their offense is the best part of following the NFL this past month. There's an anticipation factor too - when they are down by 10 points seemingly every fourth quarter that's when you know all the gears are coming together and Ben passes will go bulls-eye, Lavean will hurdle DBs, and Antonio Brown will run his routes on water.
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This might be the worst I can recall the Patriots offense looking in a non-Chiefs game in forever.
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This might be the worst I can recall the Patriots offense looking in a non-Chiefs game in forever.
Brady has always struggled in Miami for some weird reason. But yeah they were absolutely punked. #25 Howard for the Dolphins, he's only a 2nd year player out of Baylor but he absolutely shut down and punked Brandin Cooks. Some guys are 5'9" but they play like they are 7 feet tall. Think: Steve Smith. Antonio Brown. Cooks is 5'9" and he plays like he's 5'9". Howard flat out owned Cooks.
That is a different offense without Gronk and Edelman. They can survive without one of them. Don't think they are good enough to do it without both of them.
That offensive line was destroyed though. They couldn't block Miami all night. Suh was a monster. Man do I miss that guy. What a shame that he ever got away from the Lions. Don't care what the stats say. He's still the best interior defensive linemen in the NFL. He's been the best interior defensive linemen since the day he stepped into the league and that hasn't changed. His impact goes way beyond the stat sheet. He is literally unblockable one on one and he eats up double teams like it's nothing to free up others. You are just not running up the middle on him. Period. Ever. That is a future 1st ballot HOF'er.
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And it ends on about the worst onside kick attempt in NFL history which also results in Patrick Chung getting hurt.
Brady looked like he might be nursing something. Something just looked off in his throws. Everyone, even him, is allowed an off day, but there were a number of throws that we're just off, or the ball came out weird. I'm not even sure how to explain it. His OL and WRs played like crap, but even in his exceptionally rare off days I don't think I've seen his throws look not sharp.
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And it ends on about the worst onside kick attempt in NFL history which also results in Patrick Chung getting hurt.
Brady looked like he might be nursing something. Something just looked off in his throws. Everyone, even him, is allowed an off day, but there were a number of throws that we're just off, or the ball came out weird. I'm not even sure how to explain it. His OL and WRs played like crap, but even in his exceptionally rare off days I don't think I've seen his throws look not sharp.
he's missed practice all week, supposedly nursing some kind of achilles injury.
and yeah that onside kick attempt was weak. that was literally the worst onside kick attempt I have ever seen.
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Did some guy more or less whiff an on side recently in an effort to be clever and conceal his kicking direction? That might have been the one worse than that one.
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Did some guy more or less whiff an on side recently in an effort to be clever and conceal his kicking direction? That might have been the one worse than that one.
Yeah, someone tried a scissor kick and basically whiffed.
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I wonder what the deal was with that onside kick... I think I can see what they were trying to do--get the ball into a scrum where you have 11 players and the receiving team has only about 4-5. If the defender isn't able to drop on it and immediately secure it, you have numbers. And if the defender touches it first before 10 yards, and you rip it away from him, it doesn't even need to go 10 yards. They just need to touch it first.
But I've never seen anything like it before.
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Brady looked like he might be nursing something. Something just looked off in his throws. Everyone, even him, is allowed an off day, but there were a number of throws that we're just off, or the ball came out weird. I'm not even sure how to explain it. His OL and WRs played like crap, but even in his exceptionally rare off days I don't think I've seen his throws look not sharp.
I noticed that too. Brady's looked like a 40 year trying to tough it out. But the bigger deal, I'm guessing, is that Brady is in fact hiding something, as the Patriots have a history of doing, with Brady especially.
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Tommy Nobis passed away yesterday.Perhaps one of the best LB's to play the game.According to the USA Today he averaged 21 tackles a game his rookie season.They made a great point Nitchke played on great teams.Butkus was hell on the run.Nobis could crash the L.O.S. or drop back in coverage and do both equally well.Unfortunately he played on some dismal squads in Atlanta.Can't believe he's not in the H.O.F. RIP Tommy
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Seahawks rookie Malik McDowell's arrest video:
https://deadspin.com/seahawks-malik-mcdowell-during-arrest-bitch-i-got-la-1821292575
That is hilarious. It's terrible and totally immature and inexcusable. But still downright hilarious. Bitch I got lawyer money. Lmao. Who says that?
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zimmers vikings are good
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Down 29-34, Giants had four plays inside Eagles ten to take the lead with less than a minute left, and yet they find a way to blow another game.
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Antonio Brown leaving, putting no weight on his ankle
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I'm not sure anyone appreciated how valuable Shazier was as the QB of the Steelers defense. They were one of the best with him, and they have been downright lousy without him.
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No way no how should Kizer see the field the rest of the season.He is an idiot pure and simple,an idiot.QB's in pick up games don't throw into double/triple coverage,repeatedly week after week.Pathetic I mean pathetic,fire Hue now if he even tosses the idea around
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Freaking NE is amazing,what a pitch-catch Brady to Gronk and they get the two point.Pats get 11 pts in 3 min.
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Every play that isn't a throw to Gronk is full blown stupid.
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And the squeelers respond 69 yd pitch & catch.Crppy tackling by NE DB's on the sideline there.TD Pittsburgh,holy hell what a game.BB has to be fuming
Edit spoke too soon Pitt TD didn't happen and NE pix the ball.NE27-Pitt24 final
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Titans just take a 23-22 pt lead over SF with a minute to go
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That might be the greatest regular season game ever.
Rematch should be interesting. Shazier is maybe never returning, but Steelers moved the ball well without the MVP of the league playing beyond the first drive. But Patriots finally realized they only had one move, pass to Gronk, but it was an indefinisible.
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SF wins with a FG as time expires.No Fun League gets a reprieve this week end
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Down 29-34, Giants had four plays inside Eagles ten to take the lead with less than a minute left, and yet they find a way to blow another game.
losers
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Just realizing how big that overturn and 10 second runoff in the Lions-Falcons game back in like Week 5 is looming right now.
I think to get in the playoffs, the Lions need to win their final 2 games, Falcons need to lose 2 of 3.
You don't overturn that call back in Week 5, that would make Lions 9-5, with only 3 NFC losses; Falcons, Seahawks and Cowboys would all have 6 losses, with 3+ NFC losses. Detroit wouldn't just control their own destiny, they would still be in ok shape just getting a split in their last two.
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Anyone got an opinion on the James non TD vs NE.Don't know how that's not a TD.And I hate Pittsburgh with a passion
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Anyone got an opinion on the James non TD vs NE.Don't know how that's not a TD.And I hate Pittsburgh with a passion
knew it wasn't a TD the moment I saw it on replay. The letter of the law is pretty clear by now, and we've scene case after case where they've called plays like that incomplete.
I don't really like the rule, but that's the rule, and they enforce it the same way every time.
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I don't really like the rule, but that's the rule, and they enforce it the same way every time.
yup
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knew it wasn't a TD the moment I saw it on replay. The letter of the law is pretty clear by now, and we've scene case after case where they've called plays like that incomplete.
I don't really like the rule, but that's the rule, and they enforce it the same way every time.
Except against Brandon Cooks yes.
Why they haven't changed it by now is beyond me. By the rule, it was the right call.
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Steelers cut their All-Time franchise sack leader and possible NFL HOF'er OLB James Harrison. Watch New England pick him up now and him instantly become their best pass rusher.
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The Packers get a shutout for an early Xmas gift from their purple friends!
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Don't know why Clueless Hue trotted out Kizer he leads the League in picks.Just took the Browns out of a chance to go ahead in the Christmas spirit he is.He truly is horrific with plenty of time to throw I might add :91:
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The Packers get a shutout for an early Xmas gift from their purple friends!
Tuned into the Packers post game radio show and a lot of the call-ins were editorializing the end of Mike McCarthy. What?
McCarthy hasn't been the problem, with or without Aaron Rodgers. It's the GM's fault! Ted Thompson's drastic under-staffing of the Packers roster has been masked by Rodgers' uplifting play the entire time he's quarterbacked. In Rodgers' absence we're just now getting to see the poor foundation Thompson has gotten away with for 12 seasons now.
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most fans only know to blame the head coach or the QB
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Freakin' Browns get a pick 6 called back because Nassib lined up off sides :91: The hits just keep on coming.
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Fooking Bears just score 6.Cursing & swearing,cursing & swearing.Damn Murphy and his law.Take six off for the Browns and put 6 up for Bears.I...can't....take....it....any....longer :wtf:
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Don't know why Clueless Hue trotted out Kizer he leads the League in picks.Just took the Browns out of a chance to go ahead in the Christmas spirit he is.He truly is horrific with plenty of time to throw I might add :91:
Kizer has all the physical talent in the world, but he should've never came out. He wasn't ready emotionally or mentally and his knowledge of the game wasn't where it needed to be. He needed way more development, and even his college coach Brian Kelly said as much.
Kizer has enormous talent, but he should've been on the bench for most of his 1st year. Hue Jackson starting him then yanking him then starting him- he's destroying that kids confidence. He has handled development of a young QB about as bad as I've ever seen. Only Jeff Fisher's clueless dumbass handled QB's worse than Hue has.
Hue Jackson has got to go. The guy is a clown show. He's a decent OC, but that's all he is. He is not head coach material and he's not some cutting edge amazing inventive OC like a Mike Martz or Josh McDaniels.
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Tuned into the Packers post game radio show and a lot of the call-ins were editorializing the end of Mike McCarthy. What?
McCarthy hasn't been the problem, with or without Aaron Rodgers. It's the GM's fault! Ted Thompson's drastic under-staffing of the Packers roster has been masked by Rodgers' uplifting play the entire time he's quarterbacked. In Rodgers' absence we're just now getting to see the poor foundation Thompson has gotten away with for 12 seasons now.
agree 100%.
McCarthy is one of the best coaches in the game. Rodgers is an enormous talent, but he wouldn't have been as successful as he was without him. McCarthy helped re-develop Rodgers coming out of Cal, and he is one of the best offensive play-callers in the entire NFL. McCarthy has very little input on personnel, that all falls on Ted Thompson.
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oh ya, by the way.... #FireJimCaldwell.
Lions are dead to me until they get rid of that loser.
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in what should be a surprise to no one, New England likely to sign ex-Steelers OLB James Harrison, per ESPN.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21886335/new-england-patriots-sign-james-harrison
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Ravens can clinch a spot in the playoffs with a win over the Bengals. Which is sort of amazing to me considering that roster is pretty much trash and that QB they handed a boatload of money to is the definition of mediocre.
Outside of Belichik, is there a better coach in the NFL than John Harbaugh? Pretty amazing to me that one guy had two sons that are just flat out amazing football coaches.
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I think John is the best football coach at any level
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I think John is the best football coach at any level
pains me to say it, but I think Belichik has earned that label. After that though, not sure there's a guy I'd take over John. Pete Carroll is great but the inmates run the asylum a little bit too much with him. Jim is obviously great but there's an immaturity/burn out factor there, he rubs a lot of people the wrong way. John is every bit as good without that other stuff- + that Super Bowl win head-to-head- so I guess you'd have to say he's better.
That Ravens roster has no business with a shot at 10-6 and a shot at the post-season. And Joe Flacco is the most mediocre "franchise" QB in the game. Most great coaches have great QB's. Jimmy Johnson had Troy Aikman. Bill Walsh had Joe Montana. Belichik had Brady. Tom Landry had Roger Staubach. Those are probably 4 of the 10 best QB's ever. John or Jim's never had a QB like that.
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NY Giants Pro Bowl safety Landon Collins calls out his own teammate Eli Apple and calls him a cancer on ESPN radio. Don't often see that happen. My guess is Apple is on his last legs there. Never made sense to me that pick, the Giants taking Apple with a top 10 pick. He was good, but he wasn't that good.
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per his own instagram, ex-Steeler OLB James Harrison has signed with the Pats.
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expected, but Da Bears gonna take anothe arse whippin today
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So are the Browns
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well, I guess the Vikes have some work to do on punt coverage for the playoffs
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C'mon Browns 1 time baby 1 time.Kizer just sacked crap
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Welp 0-16 un-fookin-believable,1-31 over the last two seasons.FIRE HUE - Drain the Swamp
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Welp 0-16 un-fookin-believable,1-31 over the last two seasons.FIRE HUE - Drain the Swamp
I know there are SO many things that have to go wrong to go 0-16...
But how do you drop that, Corey Coleman? HOW?!
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Watching Saints-Bucs at a casino. Ingram and Kamara willing their team downfield. The emergence of those two as a monster rush tandem has completely changed that team. And to think they started this year riding on the hopes of Adrian Peterson.
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I think John is the best football coach at any level
must have had an off day
Cincy just isn't that good
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Gruden back to Oakland?
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sounds crazy
but, some folks are crazy
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Caldwell out.
Big point here for the franchise. Probably the only hire Quinn will get to make as GM, and probably the last shot they'll get to make a head coaching hire with Stafford in his prime.
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John Fox is out as the Bears' coach after Chicago finished last in the NFC North for the third consecutive season.
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I know there are SO many things that have to go wrong to go 0-16...
But how do you drop that, Corey Coleman? HOW?!
Welcome to my season,Kizer actually did well comparitively to his last 6 or so outings.That pass could not have been thrown any better.If Kizer played like that w/o the brain farts Browns would have notched a win or two.Move over Detroit
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It seems like after a crazy college coaching offseason, with multiple high-profile jobs coming open, that this is an abnormally high number of NFL jobs to open in the same year...
Is it just me, or is this abnormally high?
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Ravens can clinch a spot in the playoffs with a win over the Bengals. Which is sort of amazing to me considering that roster is pretty much trash and that QB they handed a boatload of money to is the definition of mediocre.
Outside of Belichik, is there a better coach in the NFL than John Harbaugh? Pretty amazing to me that one guy had two sons that are just flat out amazing football coaches.
Harbaugh is probably top 5-7 but no way. Belicheck is by far the best coach of the free agency era. He's won w/ or without Brady. If Garappolo starts this season they probably go 11-5.
If Harbaugh doesn't make the playoffs next year he's fired. The fanbase isn't screaming for his head for the sole reason that there really isn't anyone else out there but they've lost patience with him.
The Ravens beat no one this year (the best team they beat was the Lions and the AFC North gets 2 free wins against the Browns yearly). They also probably won't make the playoffs if they don't get rid of Flacco. Flacco used to always remind me of Eli, avg-to very good and has a knack for winning playoff games on the road. Surround him with a good team and you win things. He also did a few things extremely well: stayed healthy, throwing the 10-20 yard deep out and was arguably the best deep ball thrower in the league. However since the leg injury he's been broken. His arm looks shot and he constantly underthrew deep balls this season. Its almost like he's either afraid to plant his leg and step into throws (or maybe never fully recovered from the knee injury). Cut your losses, there are maybe 5, 1st round QBs on the board plus Cousins, Tyrod, Bridgewater and Alex Smith perhaps available.
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Steelers Super Bowl hopes hinge on KC and Jacksonville winning this weekend.
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Belicheck is by far the best coach of the free agency era. He's won w/ or without Brady. I
Um, what?
He's been a head coach for 23 seasons. He's had Brady as his starter for 16 of those seasons, and made the playoffs in 15 of them (all but 2002). He hasn't had Brady as his starter in 7 of them (including the season Brady was knocked out in the opener) and he's only made the playoffs in 1 of them (1994 with Cleveland).
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Um, what?
He's been a head coach for 23 seasons. He's had Brady as his starter for 16 of those seasons, and made the playoffs in 15 of them (all but 2002). He hasn't had Brady as his starter in 7 of them (including the season Brady was knocked out in the opener) and he's only made the playoffs in 1 of them (1994 with Cleveland).
He took Cleveland to the playoffs? Someone alert the Pope. A few more miracles like that and he's eligible for sainthood!
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He took Cleveland to the playoffs? Someone alert the Pope. A few more miracles like that and he's eligible for sainthood!
They went 6 out of 10 years from 85-94, they've just only gone once since.
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Um, what?
He's been a head coach for 23 seasons. He's had Brady as his starter for 16 of those seasons, and made the playoffs in 15 of them (all but 2002). He hasn't had Brady as his starter in 7 of them (including the season Brady was knocked out in the opener) and he's only made the playoffs in 1 of them (1994 with Cleveland).
Yeah I'm with you ELA.
I think he's the best coach of his era, can't argue with results and I give him a lot of credit for drafting Brady in the 6th when the entire league passed on him 6 times, and even more credit for sticking with Brady over Bledsoe. But his drafting has been pretty horseshit overall and for being a supposed defensive genius he sure hasn't put a defense on the field remotely resembling a dominating unit in a long time. Ravens have had much better defenses during the era he's been coaching.
It is kind of freaking funny though when people say oh he's won without Brady. Really? What has he won? He was a sub .500 coach at Cleveland, made the playoffs once in 4-5 years then got fired. He started off in New England his first year 5-11 with Bledsoe as his QB. Started off 0-2 the second year. Bledsoe goes down, Brady goes in and the rest is history. He was 5-13 his first 18 games in NE before Brady and the coaches on that staff were convinced they were all about to be fired. Charlie Weis has spoken about that openly. Cassell went 10-5 that one year Brady got hurt with a LOADED team. NE missed the playoffs. Jimmy G/Brissett combined for 3-1 against a very weak 4 game schedule. They didn't score a single point against division rivals the Bills with those two at QB. At home. Brady comes back few weeks later drops 40+ on the Bills. In Buffallo.
Bill hasn't won jackshit without #12.
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They went 6 out of 10 years from 85-94, they've just only gone once since.
Ahh, but I just realized that was the team that became the Baltimore Ravens... They got successful enough to leave Cleveland :86:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FN_aHlcYxU
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Gruden to the Raiders. $10 million per year, 10 years, total deal worth $100 million.
Half of the Tennessee fan base probably still thinks he's coming to Knoxville though.
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former Michigan players OL Steve Hutchinson and CB Ty Law both named finalists for the NFL HOF. Don't know if they'll both make it, but I feel like they both should be in. Hutchinson for sure. He was probably the best guard of his era in the NFL. Ty Law's numbers speak for themselves, 50+ INT's and 8 defensive TD's in the reg season. More if you add the playoff stats. Was a crucial piece to a dynasty that won 3 SB's, owned Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison in the playoffs and made the play in that Super Bowl against the greatest show on turf when he picked off Kurt Warner and returned it 47 yards for a TD. Law probably should've been Co-MVP of that Super Bowl at worst. He had 8 tackles, 2 PBU's, 1 INT and the TD.
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Watching this Chiefs-Titans wildcard game and it's clear:
- The Chiefs have played in playoff games and the Titans haven't
- The success of Alex Smith really depends on the offensive game plan going according to pre-game script.
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Hell of a finishing drive for KC
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Um, what?
He's been a head coach for 23 seasons. He's had Brady as his starter for 16 of those seasons, and made the playoffs in 15 of them (all but 2002). He hasn't had Brady as his starter in 7 of them (including the season Brady was knocked out in the opener) and he's only made the playoffs in 1 of them (1994 with Cleveland).
He won with Matt freaking Cassel. Grappolo came in and they didn't miss much. He also won the SB when Brady wasn't all that and put up more than a few 150 yard passing games early in his career. Went to 7 freaking SBs and is 5-2 in them. That is just crazy in the salary cap era.
He can patchwork a solid D out of mediocre players. Players for whatever reason go to the Pats and get better. I hate the Pats but he's an all time great coach.
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Titans get a TD pass from Mariota to himself, and they are back in business
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And Henry breaks a long one and this is a one score game
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Titans go back up by one, but their decision to go for two earlier means KC can win with a field goal
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Titans score 19 unanswered to win. Alex Smith folds under pressure, yet again. And that's why the 49ers dumped Smith for Kap and why the Chiefs drafted Mahones with a top 10 pick.
Smith is a dogshit NFL QB. All he's ever been. Had Harbaugh and Reid to maximize/hide him and make him a mediocre QB. Without those two all he's ever been is hot pile of garbage. With them he's mediocre because they find ways to hide him. Can't hide your QB in the playoffs. Don't know which collapse with Smith was worse- this one or the Colts when Luck got white hot in the 2nd half few years back.
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its one thing to lose late to the Steelers but wow Chiefs, the Titans are TERRIBLE.
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its one thing to lose late to the Steelers but wow Chiefs, the Titans are TERRIBLE.
absolutely pathetic collapse. Smith is finished there and Reid will feel the heat if he can't win a playoff game in 2018-19 season with Mahones.
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absolutely pathetic collapse. Smith is finished there and Reid will feel the heat if he can't win a playoff game in 2018-19 season with Mahones.
Alex Smith played well. But they couldn't run the ball, and if you can't run the ball, you can't hold a lead. Pretty amazing that Alex Smith developed into such a good QB after so many years of ... not being one.
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Yeah I can't think of many that didn't become good until this late in their career. Particularly when early they were considered a bust. Rich Gannon comes to mind as a late career guy, but he obviously didn't have the same kind of early expectations.
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Alex Smith played well. But they couldn't run the ball, and if you can't run the ball, you can't hold a lead. Pretty amazing that Alex Smith developed into such a good QB after so many years of ... not being one.
KC only had 69 rushing yds,Titans D could pin their ears back.Smith didn't throw a pick going 24-33 needed a little help
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Dogs cover all 3 and win outright 2 out of 3
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Alex Smith played well. But they couldn't run the ball, and if you can't run the ball, you can't hold a lead. Pretty amazing that Alex Smith developed into such a good QB after so many years of ... not being one.
Can't blame it on Smith. He played well. Not good in the 2nd half becuase the chiefs didn't even have the ball.
I don't remember the Saints looking this good when they won the SB.
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Can't blame it on Smith. He played well. Not good in the 2nd half becuase the chiefs didn't even have the ball.
I don't remember the Saints looking this good when they won the SB.
Now the Saints are going to lose. I am a wizard full of shield knowledge.
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Saints with the ball up 6 with 2 min to go.Should they go or no tough call on 4th dwn
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Dumb pick by the DB
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playoffs are fun when they are played by 2 good teams
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Newton wastes time & yards with int Grounding
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Dumb pick by the DB
like every catch i'm not sure why that was a completed catch
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Damn Vonn Bell played big on the last two downs & the Saints Win
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Great game. Oh and Carolina you might want to shore up the OL before Cam is more broken than Andy Luck.
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I dunno except for the last play he stood in the pocket quite awhile.there was pressure sometimes but the pocket wasn't folding.N.O.DB's doing their jobs,Brees plays like that the rest of the way they'll be a tough out
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It wasn't a dumb pick. These guys are trained to create turnovers. It's drilled into them 24/7. To expect that guy to have the presence of mind to knock the ball down in that situation is incredibly unfair. Besides, he' playing in front of the WR. What if the WR slips and falls and then he picks it and his off to the races. Maybe he breaks the tackle and keeps going.
He made the right play. The play he is trained to make.
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Not really he's professional now.Those circumstances come up from time to time.Coaches or the veterans should have brought this up.Not hindsight really they cost themselves some serious field position
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I'll just never agree with that. He made a play on the ball like he's been coached to do his entire life. It was what? 4th and 2? No one is in the huddle or on the sidelines telling anyone to just knock it down if the pass is more than 10 yards past the LOS. They are just screaming for someone to make a play and get the ball back for the offense.
That's exactly what he did. I thought it was unfair for Buck and Aikman to make it out like he made a mistake and it's unfair for you to do the same thing. It was definitely a hindsight comment. Did that thought occur to anyone before the play? The answer is no. Like I said, if the receiver falls coming out of his break or whiffs on the tackle or is knocked down he's in the open field with a live ball turnover.
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It's just like a Hail Mary however.knock the damn ball down.While the DB is trying to grab it a WR might have enough time to snatch it.Risk-reward,have to think a play ahead.There is nothing to be gained by catching instead of spiking it on 4th down(when you stand to lose field position).I understand it's second nature to try and catch it but the coaches should have been thinking instead of watching the game
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It's nothing like a Hail Mary. It's not even comparable. It was a 4th and 2 in the middle of the field. The defense has no idea what is coming. They just want to make a stop.
No coach, Saban, Belechick, Lombardi, no one is going to have the foresight to pull a defense over and tell them not to catch a pass in that situation because it "might" (might being the key word) cost them field position if they catch it. You want these guys in the mindset of making a play and being ballhawks. You don't tell them not to catch a pass on the assumption they might get tackled behind where the original LOS is.
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You're wrong these are professionals.We talked about this - 4 of us who watched the game.There are times when the ball is to be knocked away - think.I guarantee Belichick/Patricia where shaking their heads at this - seriously.Game situations/circumstances you're jockeying for field position in crunch time - really not that difficult.BB is a strategist he would think a play a head being a DC originally
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So, you and your friends were talking BEFORE the ball was snapped that any pass play by NO should just be knocked down because it would likely cost the Panthers field position if it was picked and the defender was tackled past the LOS?
Of course you didn't. After you saw the result of the play you used 20/20 hindsight to surmise that based on where he was pushed OB it would have been better if he had not made the pick. Yeah, we all saw that.
I'd bet $100 that no coach in the world is pulling his players to the side and saying, "Remember guys, no interceptions. Just knock it down. We don't know what might happen if you pick it off so let's not take that chance."
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I'd take that bet because it's not that unusual.We did discuss watching one Panther DB immediately signaling "incomplete" - immediately.Why would he immediately signal that?Oh that's right because he recognized it as the mistake that it was - losing 20 yds of field in the waning minute & 1/2
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Yeah, Kuechly wanted it called incomplete AFTER the play. We're all geniuses after we see the result of the play. Me, you, your friends, Buck, Aikman, Kuechly.
I'd love to know if Kuechly was instructing his teammates prior to the ball being snapped not to intercept any passes.
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Kris this is not about hindsight.This is about the staff going over(preparing) players for game circumstances.What happened is not that unusual.It was magnified because it was a P.O.game.Staffs go over all sorts of different situations.Literally thinking one play ahead is all.What to do & why.For instance the reason I brought up Hail Mary's too many times a DB will foolishly(on 4th down or time running out) try to pick a ball - keeping it in play long enough for a WR to grab.Instead of just spiking the damn ball down.
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It's a can't win situation. If you bother trying to knock the ball down it might get deflected to someone else.
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DB clearly had position no danger in knocking it down.Announcer even mentioned it right away.Sitting in on all sorts of NFL games he has seen it and questioned it - just sayin'
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I understand Hail Mary's. They are a completely different game situation than what we are talking. Everyone in the stadium knows when a Hail Mary is coming.
So are you saying that if you were a coach preparing your team for this situation that you would instruct them not to intercept any pass?
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:91: What in your estimation are Professional Coaches paid to do in the NFL?
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I don't have access to NFL coaches. I have access to you and we are having a disagreement. I'm asking you if you were on the sidelines yesterday for Carolina what you would have said to your defense in regards to the situation we are discussing.
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Is that anything other than someone else seeing the result of the play and playing armchair coach? If he sheds the tackle and returns for a TD, or even to midfield no one is saying he made a dumb play.
You are asking players to assume they will be tackled past the LOS. You aren't allowing them to use their abilities to make a big play for your team. It's like putting handcuffs on them.
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You fuging moron. Drop the ball
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Stupid Adams
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Should have batted that poo down.
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He dropped that
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JUST KNOCK IT DOWN YUU DUMB fug
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Thank you Sean Payton for being a terrible coach
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Oh, son of a...
Twenty frigging yards!
Edit: Only sixteen, but still...
Edited 21 hours ago by Mr. Scot
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can screw up a wet dream, can't we?
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that wasnt a catch anyway. fug this poo
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Adams u idiot
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Everybody is a great coach after the fact.
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It's not hindsight man,you are thick.Again for the umpteenth time there are situations exactly like this that are reviewed.Both announcers pointed it out they know that in that scenario you get the ball on downs & gain 20 yds.Everyone and I mean everyone knows that except you and the Carolina DB's :s_bye2:
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Look man, I don't doubt for a minute you can scour the internet and find a bunch of guys saying he should have dropped it. I just don't believe anyone was thinking that before the play occurred. I don't think he should be held to that type of situational awareness standard either.
What you are basically saying is don't intercept the ball if you know you are going to be tackled past the original LOS. How the hell is anyone supposed to know that?
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LOL. Of course it is hindsight. Yeah, it cost his team 20 yards because he was pushed out of bounds. How is anyone supposed to know that is how the play would turn out? Someone could have picked it and taken it to the house.
The only way you could prepare for that is to tell your players to never try to intercept the ball in that type of game situation and I think that instruction would be incredibly stupid.
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May be fencing,darts or water polo are your sports
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May be fencing,darts or water polo is your sport
LOL. "Don't intercept the ball...
...unless you know at exactly what point you will be tackled."
You missed your calling, Rockne.
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Rockne would know any idiot in that situation would knock the ball down.Except for Mike Adams and his position coach Kris61
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Rockne would know any idiot in that situation would knock the ball down.Except for Mike Adams and his position coach Kris61
I've asked you three times now. What would you have told your defenders to do? Not intercept anything?
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Ok. I want to pick this up again. Me and Nubbz were getting pissy with each other and after the thread about Marcel passing it didn’t feel right to pick up a thread where the tone was going south.
That being said, I think this is an interesting debate and I still think Mike Adams got a lot of unwarranted heat.
Nubbz is saying he wasn’t using hindsight and using the result of the play to shape his opinion. I think that is exactly what he and many others are doing. His stance is that good coaches are prepared for this game situation and players should know to bat the ball down.
It was 4th and 2 for New Orleans at the Carolina 47 with under 2 minutes and Carolina trailing by 5. A Saints 1st down basically sealed the win. Obviously, Carolina needed the ball back and a score to win. What is your instruction to your team in that situation? A turnover certainly isn’t a bad result and it is something that is beat into their heads incessantly.
The only thing I might concede is telling them if there is a bomb then maybe just try to knock it down. Anything else I want them trying to make a play for my team. Adams intercepted the ball 16 yards downfield and was wrapped up from behind and thrown out of bounds.
Are defenders supposed to assume where they will be tackled? Are they supposed to assume they will be tackled at all? I don’t want my defense trying to not make a play in that situation. If you are telling them to bat it down is it regardless of where you are on the field? I just want to know how players are supposed to be coached in that situation. I think Adams did what he is coached to do. He caused a turnover. If the WR behind slips or falls or he breaks the tackle he is in the open field running and who knows how the play turns out. Just one of those things.
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Ok. I want to pick this up again. Me and Nubbz were getting pissy with each other and after the thread about Marcel passing it didn’t feel right to pick up a thread where the tone was going south.
That being said, I think this is an interesting debate and I still think Mike Adams got a lot of unwarranted heat.
Nubbz is saying he wasn’t using hindsight and using the result of the play to shape his opinion. I think that is exactly what he and many others are doing. His stance is that good coaches are prepared for this game situation and players should know to bat the ball down.
I pointed out with each passing post that it wasn't hindsight.There are specific instances where these circumstances are touched on by the coaches.The announcers immediately brought it up and his own team mate was signaling incomplete.They obviously spotted it for the mistake that it was.It's called having your head in the game I understand it's second nature to catch the ball.After he got the ball he advanced a whole 3 yds leaving his team 17 yds deeper in the hole very late in the contest :character0029:
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I pointed out with each passing post that it wasn't hindsight.There are specific instances where these circumstances are touched on by the coaches.The announcers immediately brought it up and his own team mate was signaling incomplete.They obviously spotted it for the mistake that it was.It's called having your head in the game I understand it's second nature to catch the ball.After he got the ball he advanced a whole 3 yds leaving his team 17 yds deeper in the hole very late in the contest :character0029:
The announcers brought it up because of the result of the play. That is using hindsight. Kuechly wanted it called incomplete because of the result of the play. That is hindsight. All they did was surmise where the ball was spotted after he was tackled as opposed to where it would have been had he knocked it down.
The only reason it was viewed as a mistake was because of where he got tackled, not because he caught it. If he catches it and just returns it to just midfield no one is saying, “Mike Adams got away with a mistake.” All anyone is saying is, “Big play by Mike Adams!”
That’s why I keep asking you what you would tell your team in that situation. You keep saying he should have known to bat the ball down. He would only know to do that if he knew what would happen after he intercepted the ball. No one knows that. That’s why you can’t blanketly say “ just bat it down.”
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Posted by Michael David Smith on January 7, 2018, 8:12 PM EST
It’s not often that a coach is happy to see his quarterback throw an interception, but Saints coach Sean Payton felt fortunate when Panthers defensive back Mike Adams (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3060/mike-adams) intercepted the Saints’ last pass.
Payton said after the Saints held on for a 31-26 win that his decision to go for it on fourth-and-2 with two minutes left in the game was all about trying to be aggressive. It didn’t work, but because Adams intercepted Drew Brees (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/591/drew-brees)‘s pass rather than knocking it down, it didn’t cost the Saints as much field position as it could have.
“We went with a little hard count, called a timeout, and going to win the game,” Payton said. “I was talking to Drew about, we could punt there and play with a little longer field position, no timeouts for them, yet we felt we had a call. Tried to get Mike Thomas (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/11491/mike-thomas), they did a good job in coverage and they made a play. Fortunately it ended up being intercepted. That’s part of it.”
Panthers coach Ron Rivera also said he wished Adams had knocked it down — and that the play had been reviewed on instant replay to determine whether Adams actually had possession.
“He’s excited, he’s got a chance to make a play,” he said. “You wish he would have dropped it or batted it down, just knowing the situation and circumstances.”
Adams should have known to knock the ball down, but in the heat of the moment he grabbed the ball and held on. That cost the Panthers about 16 yards of field position, which they could have used as their final drive fell short. It was an interception that ended up helping the team that threw it.
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Everything you have posted back to me is people commenting on how the play turned out. It wasn’t fortunate for the Saints it was intercepted. Payton didn’t call that play in hopes it would be picked off. It was fortunate it didn’t turn out as bad as it could have based on where he was tackled.
Same with Rivera. Everything he is saying is in retrospect. Notice he doesn’t say anything about preparing for the play. He didn’t say “we told our guys to knock it down” or “we prepare for situations like that.”
Look, I keep asking you to put yourself in the position of the coach preparing his team for that position and you keep refusing to answer it.
Please just answer my question. In the few occasions your team would be in that situation would your instruction be to never intercept a pass and knock everything down? If not, what would your instruction be? Because you keep saying he should have known, and been coached, to knock it down.
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Two pages back I exhorted "knock the ball down" is that concept just a little to complex for you.You obviously can't process simple explanations.The only thing that supersedes your stupor on the subject is your willingness to express it.His own head coach explained he should have known the circumstance & situation.Which is exactly what I've said in at least 3 posts.Because they've gone over this in game simulations.Just ask your Librarian there to read the last 2 1/2 pages back to you.Maybe then you'll better understand.If you ask her nicely she might even explain why you should watch fencing,darts or water polo
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Fair enough. I just think that’s dumb. I don’t understand having a blanket rule not to intercept any pass in that situation for fear of what the result will be. This time Adams was tackled 16 yards past the LOS. Next time he may take it to the house.
I don’t want my coaches coaching scared.
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Fair enough. I just think that’s dumb. I don’t understand having a blanket rule not to intercept any pass in that situation for fear of what the result will be. This time Adams was tackled 16 yards past the LOS. Next time he may take it to the house.
I don’t want my coaches coaching scared.
I think you are the only one that thinks it's dumb. 4th down, you knock the ball down because the majority of the time you will lose field position if you intercept the ball. You coach situations and percentages not some remote possibility that you might return an interception behind the original line of scrimmage.
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Everyone has already moved on to Steelers-Patriots next week, so I assume either Tennessee or Jacksonville (more likely) pulls the upset.
NFC sure looks like the Vikings' to lose
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I think you are the only one that thinks it's dumb. 4th down, you knock the ball down because the majority of the time you will lose field position if you intercept the ball. You coach situations and percentages not some remote possibility that you might return an interception behind the original line of scrimmage.
I can buy teams/coaching staffs might give players vague instructions or reminders in those situations.
“Remember guys, we don’t necessarily need an interception here”
“Just try to break up deep balls.”
Other than that, I just can’t see anyone telling their players to knock everything down on 4th down. It’s like putting handcuffs on your defense. In that situation you still need a score, you need a big play. Give your defense a fighting chance to provide it.
Anyway, I’ll drop it.
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For all Romo gets right did he just credit Kraft for hiring Belichick "at a time nobody else would touch him?"
Wasn't the drama surrounding his hire due to the fact that the Jets had just hired him a day earlier?
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Great point I heard him say it but forgot that.Parcells was grooming BB to slide into his spot.For what ever reason BB bolted.I'm guessing he didn't want to be in Parcells sphere of influence and wanted to build something himself.BB wasn't all that in Cleveland he really wasn't.However he learned/gained/remembered from it and made him a better coach.Nick Saban was on that Browns staff also.For what ever reason the football GODs are pissed at Cleveland.Browns fans for years were at/near the top in attendance.They were maniacal- Municipal Stadium held 85,000(with SRO) more often than not it was filled.Model/Belichick/Saban all leave and win championships.We've just went 0-16,Thanks Football GODs you can ease off the accelerator now
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Are defenders supposed to assume where they will be tackled? Are they supposed to assume they will be tackled at all? I don’t want my defense trying to not make a play in that situation. If you are telling them to bat it down is it regardless of where you are on the field? I just want to know how players are supposed to be coached in that situation. I think Adams did what he is coached to do. He caused a turnover. If the WR behind slips or falls or he breaks the tackle he is in the open field running and who knows how the play turns out. Just one of those things.
I'm late on this, but will add
similar to a punt returner deciding on a fair catch or a run back, yes the defender should be aware of the situation on the field during the play and can judge the probability of being tackled immediately or gaining yardage
obviously some players have more field awareness than others
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Sounds like Patricia to the Lions is all but official. I like the idea of bringing in a defensive guy, but I think O'Brien is the only guy from the Belichick coaching tree who hasn't been garbage
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I'm late on this, but will add
similar to a punt returner deciding on a fair catch or a run back, yes the defender should be aware of the situation on the field during the play and can judge the probability of being tackled immediately or gaining yardage
obviously some players have more field awareness than others
Much like the Hail Mary comparison I think this is an apples and oranges situation. Punt returns are practiced everyday. It is routine for a punt returner to call for a fair catch. A punt returner knows if the ball is in the air a few seconds he should take the fair catch. He doesn’t have to survey the field to make that decision.
A player on defense trying to make a play doesn’t have the luxury as the ball is coming at him to take a quick glance of the field and determine whether he should catch it or not.
I found an article from 2012 when John Fox was coaching the Broncos. They had a play in a game where Jim Leonhard picked off a 4th down pass and it cost the team yardage. He was asked about it afterward and he said in general he would like for them to bat it down but it’s just like everything else, if it works you’re happy, if it doesn’t you’re not.
That’s where I think most coaches fall on the issue. They don’t have hard and fast rules in place for that situation because it doesn’t happen that often. It’s a tough call. Yeah, you want them to make the smart play but you also want them reacting instinctively and not thinking too much. Because if that happens then maybe they hesitate for a split second and a ball they could have made a play on is completed.
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nope, no hard fast rules, but just common sense or "football savvy"
if you've been playing DB since you were a teenager, you should be aware of the situation and act accordingly
grabbing the INT is just a selfish act to promote your stats
it may be instinctive, but the player should know better
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The Steelers are in big trouble. Their 3-4 can't stop a power run game with Shazier out. ILBs are garbage.
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Somebody forgot to tell Jacksonville everyone wanted to see Pats-Steelers. Would this be the biggest playoff upset since Jacksonville beat Denver in the Divisional Round in ‘96?
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That 4th and 11 just got Pittsburgh back in it. Wow.
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Jalen Ramsey just got flagged for a late hit out of bounds on Leveon Bell.
Upon viewing the replay, he didn't do squat. Smith-Schuster blocked him into Bell, there was very light contact, and Bell flopped.
Great acting job by the Steelers gets them 15 and an automatic 1st down.
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That was a big drive by Jacksonville. Looked like they were going to gack it away for a moment there. Still a lot of time left.
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And for the second time today Pittsburgh scores a TD on a 4th down play in the middle of the field in a semi-desperate situation.
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So the Teal Curtain held up against the Squealers, eh?
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not really, but the Squeel curtain was tattered and ripped apart
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Tomlin’s gonna get some second guessing for that onside kick. 2:18 left and he had two timeouts and the 2:00 warning. Fouts said before it happened he would kick it deep and I agreed with him.
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I don't think the onsides kick was bad decision, either way they need a stop. However, the kick itself was ridiculously bad. The jags got it at the 35 instead of the 50
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The Saints keep balling out the Vikings by running around the picks instead of into them.
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You gotta be shitting me.
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Unbelievable ending,that Saints DB not only missed an easy tackle he took out a teamate who may have made it.Great Game
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Now THAT is an example of a DB not knowing game situation. Wow.
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That was a massively fun choke job inside of a choke job inside of a choke job.
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Diggs really milking his 15 minutes.
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That was a massively fun choke job inside of a choke job inside of a choke job.
He will never live that down. All he had to do was let him catch it, and tackle him. Game over.
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Diggs really milking his 15 minutes.
He's an excellent WR though. Diggs and Thelien come down with those jump balls all the time. That pair is as good as the Steelers or the Falcons WRs. They are the main reason why Keenum has had an excellent season.
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Pretty damn entertaining day of football.
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Tomlin’s gonna get some second guessing for that onside kick. 2:18 left and he had two timeouts and the 2:00 warning. Fouts said before it happened he would kick it deep and I agreed with him.
Tomlins gonna be gone.
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Blake Bortles has more playoff wins in the Super Bowl era than the Lions
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Tomlins gonna be gone.
I dunno i think it's more on a crappy flubbed kick.Can't blame Tomlin his "D" was giving up points like an old Big East hoops game.Gonna be a long ride home for Marcus Williams
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Pretty damn entertaining day of football.
damn straight
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Now THAT is an example of a DB not knowing game situation. Wow.
trying not to hit him early for the penalty, trying to hit him on the outsides so he couldn't fall out of bounds and stop the clock, just whiffed
yes sir, terrible
I'll take it
team of destiny, I hope
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Minneapolis Miracle!
Vikes vs Eagles
best defense wins!
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It usually takes something spectacular to break a sports slump. That was spectacular.
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Diggs really milking his 15 minutes.
it's what he's best at
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Haley gone. Wasn't really a fan of getting rid of Arians instead of Haley but Haley has done a really good job as OC there and he's been a much better OC than Arians was. He's prolonged Ben's career, the OL magically got better once Ben wasn't asked to hold on to the ball for 5-6 seconds in Arians QB homicide offense. Plus after the 1st year the O was one of the best in the league, every year.
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Another guy the Steelers should move on from is Lavean Bell. He bitched and moaned all last week about contract demands and then it comes out that he wasn't even attending the walk throughs leading up to the playoff game. Instead of the franchise tag throw a transition tag on Bell and see what other teams will take him for. Just abhorrent behavior for a player who's failed multiple drugs tests and manages to be the drama queen on a roster full of drama. Time to move from Bell.
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Bortles is suddenly Joe Montana
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Not so much in the 4th.
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Definitely not. Heck of a game though
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Brady is pretty good
welcome to Minne in February!
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Subbing out Gronk for those guys in the white and black striped jerseys is why Belichick is a genius.
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Typical Vikings.
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Foles franchising it.
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Another guy the Steelers should move on from is Lavean Bell. He bitched and moaned all last week about contract demands and then it comes out that he wasn't even attending the walk throughs leading up to the playoff game. Instead of the franchise tag throw a transition tag on Bell and see what other teams will take him for. Just abhorrent behavior for a player who's failed multiple drugs tests and manages to be the drama queen on a roster full of drama. Time to move from Bell.
He's one of the NFL's best players and is "cheap" (for a player of his caliber) at around 13-15M/year. The offense may be talented but they've also looked awful w/o him. RB is one of those positions where you will only get 1 big contract in your career (plus its a postion where 1 injury can end you) no matter how good you are so I see why he's been griping about it. The Steelers have a habit of negoiating during the season with their best players and maybe they refused this time or just came w/ lowball offers. IDK if there isn't more to this story.
Now I think Conner has 1200 yard talent and is very underrated as a pass catcher but he may not even be ready for the next season and the way he runs he may never be healthy (defenders just go straight for his knees). You are taking a big chance if you let Bell go. The AFC will still be weak next year the future is now for the Steelers. The Pats will be good. A team such as the Ravens/Jags/Denver might also be good if they get Cousins. Plus the Raiders and Chiefs could be good as well. None of these teams are tough outs (except for the Pats). Its not a hard road to the SB next year.
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Typical Vikings.
yes sir
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Eagles vs Pats, ugh god why?
Go meteor!
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(https://www.samsmancave.com/product_images/t/337/New_England_Patriots_Old1__56862.jpg)
It'll be the Patriots.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUVxJNjVMAAaItD.jpg)
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Subbing out Gronk for those guys in the white and black striped jerseys is why Belichick is a genius.
having Tom Brady fall out of the heavens into his lap in the 6th round is why he is a "genius".
Watched the first two episodes of that Tom vs. Time documentary. Unbelievable the level of commitment and the amount of work that guy has put into making himself into what he is. Unbelievable story really. He's worked his ass off to become what he is. He is Peyton Manning but clutch. Manning couldn't run a lick either, never had the strongest arm either. Just deadly accurate and incredibly smart with a football IQ off the charts and prepared like no other QB before had. Brady is virtually the same guy but clutch. Manning folded far too often in the biggest moments in the biggest games, that had been his MO since college. Brady just seems to play better the bigger the stage the greater the pressure.
Probably my two favorite QB's ever because of how fricken smart and accurate they were. Neither one of them had the physical tools of a Cam Newton or Big Ben, or the incredible arm like a Rodgers or Marino. Just way smarter, more prepared, and more accurate than everyone.
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I've always thought Brady had an underrated arm
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I've always thought Brady had an underrated arm
his arm strength is pretty good, but it's not jaw dropping. he can make all the throws and zip it in there when he needs to, but it's not anything that makes you go wow.
Stafford's arm is jaw dropping. Rodgers' arm is jaw dropping. Flacco's deep ball is jaw dropping- the distance he can throw flat footed is crazy.
Where Brady's arm is flat out scary/jaw dropping is the pin point accuracy. Not sure there has ever been a more accurate thrower of the football in the NFL. He's had to hone his accuracy because for the most part he's played with little midget receivers his entire career. Outside of about the 2 hours he had Randy Moss and outside of Gronk most of the guys he's throwing to have been 5'9, 5'10, 5'11- guys who have a shorter catch radius and who need the ball put on them. His accuracy to me is just otherworldly. Rodgers and Brees are up there too in that department.
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Most accurate QB in the league is Drew Brees, hands down. He's set the NFL completion percentage for a season 3 times... In 2009 he beat a record that had stood since 1982. In 2011 he beat his own record. In 2016 Sam Bradford held the top spot for a year, but this year Brees said "no, son, imma show you how it's done" and beat Bradford's record.
Drew Brees has 5 seasons better than Brady's best, and 9 seasons better than Brady's second-best.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_single_season.htm
Brady's a great QB, but I think no matter how you slice it, Brady/Brees/Rodgers are the 1a/1b/1c of "the best QB's in the league". I don't think you can really separate them much.
But when you're talking specifically about accuracy, I think Brees has shown that he's the top dog, with margin.
(And no, you can't just compare rings -- there's so much more to winning Super Bowls than just the QB.)
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Brady is so dialed in,the concentration coupled with performance when all the chips are down it's damn near other worldly.One thing his receivers thru the years seem to have hung on to the ball.
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Brady's a great QB, but I think no matter how you slice it, Brady/Brees/Rodgers are the 1a/1b/1c of "the best QB's in the league". I don't think you can really separate them much.
Eh, I agree there's more than rings, but IMO it's Brady #1, then Brees and Rodgers are 2a and 2b in some order.
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And Nick Foles was MSUs 3rd string QB in 2007?
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Apparently a Big 12 game breaks out when you have a couple Lions coaching the D
For as much as I hate the pats every one of their SBs have been at least very good
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Amazing how much tougher it is to win a Super Bowl when the opposing team doesn't gift it to you with dipshit playcalling
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Nights like tonight are when I'm glad I don't live in Philadelphia anymore. I've been listening to police broadcast, which I found through a twitter search about post-game riots, and it sounds as bad or worse than I would've expected.... Even worse than the chaos after the Cubs won it all.
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Hell of a game. Not sure when Nick Foles turned into John Elway
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Also, the playcalling resembled a college game, which is likely why it was so successful and fun to watch
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Also, the playcalling resembled a college game, which is likely why it was so successful and fun to watch
Rams and Eagles were fun teams to watch all year.
I think the Lions may have landed their next dud.
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I didn't see not even one second of the game last night.
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Also, the playcalling resembled a college game, which is likely why it was so successful and fun to watch
I remember before they finished the 3rd quarter, it had eclipsed the most yardage amassed in a Super Bowl. Early in the 4th quarter, it took the title of most yardage amassed in any postseason game. And before the night was through, it became the most yardage ever in an NFL regular season or postseason game.
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Drew Brees and Nick Foles, both from the Austin area (and neither given even a look by the UT coaching staff...)
That was a fun game, I enjoyed it. As a Dallas Cowboys fan I didn't really want to see the Eagles win it-- or really, any game, ever-- but I was okay rooting for Foles.
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Drew Brees and Nick Foles, both from the Austin area (and neither given even a look by the UT coaching staff...)
I don't know the entire story [i.e. who else was recruiting him], but Brees suffered a pretty nasty ACL tear as a Jr in high school and I think most of his recruiting attention went with it. According to Wikipedia, his only offers were Purdue and Kentucky.
So even if UT was showing interest in Brees, it likely evaporated after the injury. But UT is part of a LARGE list of schools who missed the boat on that one.
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his arm strength is pretty good, but it's not jaw dropping. he can make all the throws and zip it in there when he needs to, but it's not anything that makes you go wow.
Stafford's arm is jaw dropping. Rodgers' arm is jaw dropping. Flacco's deep ball is jaw dropping- the distance he can throw flat footed is crazy.
Where Brady's arm is flat out scary/jaw dropping is the pin point accuracy. Not sure there has ever been a more accurate thrower of the football in the NFL. He's had to hone his accuracy because for the most part he's played with little midget receivers his entire career. Outside of about the 2 hours he had Randy Moss and outside of Gronk most of the guys he's throwing to have been 5'9, 5'10, 5'11- guys who have a shorter catch radius and who need the ball put on them. His accuracy to me is just otherworldly. Rodgers and Brees are up there too in that department.
His arm is very good (see the randy moss year) and he hasn't lost all that much yet. Accuracy is decent but nothing special IMO. he'll hit guys in chest but not really in stride downfield plus he throws a ton of hospital balls to Gronk. Its just Brady just gets the ball out so damn fast almost every single time. He's also so good at reading D's that he doesn't have to go to his progressions all that much.
Flacco's arm seemed shot this year. Maybe its just his lousy WRs but IMO something happened to his knee where he's afraid or just can't plant his front leg and fire it in there.
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Wow, McDaniels changes mind, not taking Colts job. Luck done? Irsay nuts? Belichick promise he can take over in NE in 2019?
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Sounds like it's 100% Kraft sticking it to Irsay for bitching about the Pats playing defense, then for deflate-gate. He is grossly overpaying for an OC, just to keep him from Indy.
Apparently he had already hired a staff and they we're already in the building. Colts planning to retain them, for a different HC, which really puts them at a disadvantage in hiring.
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I'll admit the extent of my Colts knowledge around here is listening to others talk about it and the occasional talk radio (where I sometimes hear our very own JHetfield). My angle on this is this is a big clue about the long term health of Luck. Nobody knows. Luck has managed to really paralyze the franchise for nearly two full seasons.
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How much of this is discord between Kraft/Belichick/Brady? I've heard speculation that Belichick was PISSED about Garoppolo being traded, and that he was only traded because Brady thought he was a threat and got Kraft's ear. And that some of the purported rift between Belichick and Brady [regarding his doctor] might have been a response to that.
Do you think that maybe Kraft essentially told McDaniels that Belichick is very close to wearing out his welcome, Brady is not going to be around much longer, and it's almost time to rebuild the team, so he wants McDaniels to head that up?
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Because who wouldn't want to work for this drug riddled mess?
https://twitter.com/JimIrsay/status/286700230966128640
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Tom Savage to New Orleans to back up Brees?
Seems like about the worst possible fit for that offense.
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The Great Joe Thomas retired today.
11 years, 10 Pro Bowl appearances (missed a lot of his last season), 10K+ straight snaps and not many wins in Cleveland.