~2017 NFL Thread~

[FearlessF]

the guys that assign stars whiffed

[betarhoalphadelta]

how the F was he a 2 star recruit with little to no college offers and wind up at Central Michigan and then go in the 6th round?

My girlfriend and I were watching SNF last night and she was remarking on how he's not a big guy. So I actually looked him up. 5'10", 180#.
I'm guessing that's why. If he was 6'2" and 215#, he'd have been 4-5* and a 2nd rounder.

[FearlessF]

 If he was 6'2" and 215#, he'd have been 4-5* and a 2nd rounder.

the guys assigning stars are fools
you'd think they'd know better if they have any experience

[Mdot21]

the guys assigning stars are fools
you'd think they'd know better if they have any experience

the guys assigning stars are pretty accurate when it comes to ranking WR's and CB's. Seems like the easy positions to rank though.

Where the star assigners really just shit the bed time after time is OL and QB.

[FearlessF]

WRs

Jerry Rice - Miss Valley St
Terrell Owens - Tee-Chatt
Randy Moss - Marshall ( Know Lou Holtz wanted him at Notre Dame)
Isaac Bruce  - Memphis
Larry Fitzgerald - Pitt
Tony Gonzalez  - Cal
Tim Brown - ND (a big recruit and star guy)
Steve Smith - Utah
Marvin Harrison - Syracuse
Reggie Wayne - Miami (2 big recruit- star guys in the top ten)

we could talk about others such as 
James Lofton - stanford
Henry Ellard - Fresno
Torry Holt - NC St - basketball school
Andre Reed - Kutztown
Steve Largent - Tulsa
Art Monk - Syracuse
Jimmy Smith - Jackson St.
Brandon Marshall - Central Florida
Charlie Joiner - Grambling St.
Derrick Mason - Michigan St - maybe he didn't like Michigan and Ohio St. but had the stars
Muhsin Muhammad - Michigan St.
Rod Smith - Missouri Southern
Keenan McCardell - UNLV
Antonio Gates - Kent St.
Chad Johnson - Oregon St.
Roddy White - Ala-Birmingham
Gary Clark - James Madison
Harold Jackson - Jackson St.
Andre Rison - Michigan St
Donald Driver - Alcorn St.
Shannon Sharp - Savannah St.
Eric Moulds - Mississippi St.
Wes Welker - Texas Tech
Marques Colston - Hofstra
Antonio Brown - Central Michigan


All on the top 50 list of the most receiving yards in NFL history

maybe the high school recruiting gurus REALLY liked most of these guys, but not many helmet teams on the list, so I'm guessing they weren't recruited offered by the big guys

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm

[Brutus Buckeye]

Antonio Gates didn't even play football at Kent St. 

He was a star basketball player on a pretty good hoops team. 

Kent St is by far the worst D1 team in Ohio, even including Youngstown St, but they have done the bulk of the heavy lifting when it comes to producing Pro Bowl caliber NFL talent. 

Josh Cribbs, Jerome Harrison, Antonio Gates, Julian Eddleman... 

Amazing, really. 

[Mdot21]

WRs

Jerry Rice - Miss Valley St
Terrell Owens - Tee-Chatt
Randy Moss - Marshall ( Know Lou Holtz wanted him at Notre Dame)
Isaac Bruce  - Memphis
Larry Fitzgerald - Pitt
Tony Gonzalez  - Cal
Tim Brown - ND (a big recruit and star guy)
Steve Smith - Utah
Marvin Harrison - Syracuse
Reggie Wayne - Miami (2 big recruit- star guys in the top ten)

we could talk about others such as
James Lofton - stanford
Henry Ellard - Fresno
Torry Holt - NC St - basketball school
Andre Reed - Kutztown
Steve Largent - Tulsa
Art Monk - Syracuse
Jimmy Smith - Jackson St.
Brandon Marshall - Central Florida
Charlie Joiner - Grambling St.
Derrick Mason - Michigan St - maybe he didn't like Michigan and Ohio St. but had the stars
Muhsin Muhammad - Michigan St.
Rod Smith - Missouri Southern
Keenan McCardell - UNLV
Antonio Gates - Kent St.
Chad Johnson - Oregon St.
Roddy White - Ala-Birmingham
Gary Clark - James Madison
Harold Jackson - Jackson St.
Andre Rison - Michigan St
Donald Driver - Alcorn St.
Shannon Sharp - Savannah St.
Eric Moulds - Mississippi St.
Wes Welker - Texas Tech
Marques Colston - Hofstra
Antonio Brown - Central Michigan


All on the top 50 list of the most receiving yards in NFL history

maybe the high school recruiting gurus REALLY liked most of these guys, but not many helmet teams on the list, so I'm guessing they weren't recruited offered by the big guys

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm

Most of those guys were around before the STARZ era of online recruiting sites which really kicked off in 2003-2004.
Randy Moss by the way would've been the equivalent of a 5 STARZ. He was committed to play for Notre Dame but the athletic department wouldn't admit him so he went to Florida State instead. And then got kicked out of FSU pretty quickly for failing drug tests.
You look at the receiver rankings from like 2008-present- they've been pretty accurate.

[FearlessF]

I gotta disagree, unless you think a 50/50 mix of guys from big recruiting schools and no name schools is a good ratio

this list is current NFL season stats

for every Julio Jones and AJ Green there's an Antonio Brown and Adam Thielen and Keenan Allen





http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYards/year/2017/seasontype/2

[Mdot21]

didn't see the video until today- but Jabrill Peppers had what sure looks to me like a legal hit on a Bengals WR where he absolutely BLEW UP a Bengals WR hitting him in the chest on 3rd down causing an incompletion and saved a big play and would've forced the Bengals to punt....but somehow it was called a helmet to helmet hit of a defenseless receiver personal foul penalty- even though Peppers' helmet never touched the Bengals' WR's head. Browns were down 23-16 with 3:50 mins left in the game. They don't call that a flag, Bengals have to punt and Browns get the ball with a chance to tie it up.

LINK

NFL needs to get their shit together. That was a WEAK call and it's one of the reasons they are losing ratings. It's like they are completely trying to take the LEGAL big hits out of the game. It's ridiculous. NFL defenders might as well just go low and after players' knees. They won't get called for it. But I bet if you ask offensive players 100% of them would say they'd rather defenders hit them where Peppers did than to go after their knees.

[Mdot21]

I gotta disagree, unless you think a 50/50 mix of guys from big recruiting schools and no name schools is a good ratio

this list is current NFL season stats

for every Julio Jones and AJ Green there's an Antonio Brown and Adam Thielen and Keenan Allen





http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYards/year/2017/seasontype/2

Kennan Allen was a 5 STARZ.

[ELA]

Antonio Gates didn't even play football at Kent St.

He was a star basketball player on a pretty good hoops team.

Kent St is by far the worst D1 team in Ohio, even including Youngstown St, but they have done the bulk of the heavy lifting when it comes to producing Pro Bowl caliber NFL talent.

Josh Cribbs, Jerome Harrison, Antonio Gates, Julian Eddleman...

Amazing, really.

Gates was always a better football player, but he loved basketball.  Saban only got him to MSU by lying to him about letting him play both.  No high major schools were offering him for basketball.

[Mdot21]

Gates was always a better football player, but he loved basketball.  Saban only got him to MSU by lying to him about letting him play both.  No high major schools were offering him for basketball.

yep. I remember that actually. He was a big-time football recruit in Detroit. He was an elite level football prospect. Michigan, Ohio State- everyone offered him. He was an after thought as a basketball prospect, but he loved basketball and he never gave up that dream. Sacrificed what would've been a big-time college football career to play basketball.

[FearlessF]

LINK

NFL needs to get their shit together. That was a WEAK call and it's one of the reasons they are losing ratings. 

I don't like the call either - it's tackle football
but, watching from the end zone angle in slo-mo, you can see that the helmets did touch and the WRs head moved
I don't think there was enuff contact, but weak as it was, I can understand the call

[rook119]

Lions survive the Bears to move to 6-4. Setting up a huge home game with major implications for the division and playoffs on Thanksgiving against division leaders 8-2 Vikings. Who would've thought Vikings would be 8-2 at this point without starters Sam Bradford at QB or Dalvin Cook at RB? Not me.

Lions need this one bad. All I can think about in a game like this is how much better they would be had they not drafted that bum Eric Ebron with the #10 pick in the 2014 draft. Next 3 picks? LT Taylor Lewan, WR Odell Beckham Jr, and DT Aaron Donald. All 3 have made multiple Pro Bowls and all 3 were ranked by other players in the NFL Networks Top 100 players of 2017. Could've got one of those 3. Instead got a waste of space TE who can't catch.

WR wasn't a huge need seeing as how nobody could've imagined Calvin walking away so suddenly, but OL and DL definitely were. Especially with Suh in the last year of his contract and a deal not being close to done.

I just keep imagining a Lewan/Decker tackle duo and get real pissed off.

I could understand not getting Beckham if CJ was still on the team. Even Lewan too (character issues). The Ebron over Donald thing, someone needs to be fired for that. Suh left, he was the consensus best defensive player in CFB and had a very good combine.
Lions need a WR in the worst way now though. During the Vikings game, when they were breaking down players and all the WRs were just blanketed. Meanwhile the Vikings WRs were wide freaking open every passing play.