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@utee94 it's apparent you just want to argue... condescending? eff you.  i went out of my way, if you would have read, to explain my position and it isn't giving one team something nor taking away from another.  it's a freakin' concept.  it would be a good thing to discuss the 'concept' without team blinders on.  

take your longhorn glasses off and give it a shot- or don't.

~break~

player position while the play unfolds either O or D.. scheme.. executing... right now, is still the best measure.  there has only been a few games so far where teams got under each others skin.  week five behind us, week six inbound, conference games and cards on the table insofar as recon of the opponent- we'll likely see more, but not as much as we'll see after week nine.  so WATCHING the 'execution'- the timing routes, the misdirection in the backfield, the LACK of procedural penalties, we can see who is better coached and who is better prepared, and which teams understand their purpose.  And... the top tier down to the "point five" tier offered are playing heads and shoulders above the rest.  .... this isn't unusual... what is a little unusual is the very top tier is playing a game with tools others CAN'T, and it's my 'offer' here that THIS 'attack' is not only the RIGHT NOW, but the FUTURE of the game. 

I recall watching the SECCG when Saban and Meyer met.. I recall thinking "it's old school vs new wave", and old school won.  However NOW, 'new wave' IS the game Saban plays... along with that top tier.  HE moved.  Riley already did under Stoops but with his own tweaks.. Clemson is playing same, but following a trajectory more akin to Bama's approach.. tOSU is playing that approach, implemented by Meyer but being expounded upon now.  Texas under Herman who is from Houston has been doing it for a long while but is positioning the Horns to follow right into this {right now} 'exclusive' club.  LSU may be in 'it'... UGA may be 'in'.  Auburn may be 'in'.  Oregon has been fiddling with it a while but seem to have faltered of late.  The pirate made his career on 'it'.  Boise may be where it started but never had the tools to pull it off like the big boys can. 

how the hell someone can take this discussion as 'condescending' and an affront is freaking beyond me... it's about schemes and components and STYLE of play... what i'm suggesting is a changing of the guard and pegging the direction of the game for likely the next ten seasons, until someone else comes up with something that 'works better' and has the balls to implement it. 

oh i know- and he ought to know me too- which means he should realize i'm not condescending to anyone.  except @scotchvol ... that is different.. 

and he ought to know i'm not angry but making a point- just as he is.  

this wasn't supposed to be about placement in ranks or tanks... it's about a scheme. 

and here is what i was hoping to interject as the conversation developed- and it ties into where it went sideways discussing 'opponents'... and it's simple- and the reason this 'set' is being pushed and promoted at the top level in my opinion: 

it takes 'opponent' out of the mix.  IF the team can execute without being pushed off the line, the game truly comes down to play calling exclusively.  that means the lines have to be absolutely solid, but also means the skilled positions have to be in the right place at the right time- the play call is depending on the presented D as it seems to use a lot of pseudo 'pick' plays and/or complex blocking schemes using other skill position players.  if a team can 'execute', it's theirs to win or lose.  so far, i've yet to see a D that can stop these top tier teams on the field.  Not a one.  not from Bama, not from tOSU, not from anyone.. what i've seen is explosive O's and the point spread forcing teams to play deep downfield who aren't suited for playing deep down field, and not being able to 'keep up'.  this is really nothing new to some BigXII teams, but as an SEC fan?  It may be actually two or three season's old now, but.. it's seemingly the direction the entire game is headed.  

execution of a team, offense or defense is a good measure of coaching and talented smart  sometimes experienced players

execution vs an opponent that is also well coached with similar players (talented, smart, experienced) is much more difficult

and then there are the wildcards on all these top couple of tier teams - the freak playmakers that defy scheme and execution.  They are just bigger faster quicker, stronger, better instincts, luckier (right place at the right time)

some of these GREAT players just disrupt the execution of an otherwise great team

Ed Zachery

Bama, Clemson, Ohio St., the well respected Sooners all have multiple players that can simply change the game

the real reason ou is finally a real contender this season, and it's fairly obvious, is because they finally got a decent qb to run things. that's clearly what they've been missing the last few years. you're welcome, sooners, and roll tide.

Executing against air just isn't that difficult.  Alabama has yet to play anyone.  Oklahoma has yet to play anyone.  Clemson has yet to play anyone and almost choked on their cupcake anyway. Ohio State might have played someone, not really sure though.

None of them have.  Usually 3 games into the season you can tell which way the wind blows.  Not this year.  The presumed lead dogs haven't played anybody.