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Re: Texas vs TCU
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2019, 02:39:11 PM »
So what is the current B12 tie-breaker in the case of a 3-way tie?  Say Texas wins out including a win over Baylor, and Baylor beats OU but loses no other games besides Texas, and OU loses to Baylor but wins all other remaining games... who are the two that are in?


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Re: Texas vs TCU
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2019, 02:53:54 PM »
So what is the current B12 tie-breaker in the case of a 3-way tie?

No worries.  Officials will keep that from happening.

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Re: Texas vs TCU
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2019, 03:03:43 PM »
So what is the current B12 tie-breaker in the case of a 3-way tie?  Say Texas wins out including a win over Baylor, and Baylor beats OU but loses no other games besides Texas, and OU loses to Baylor but wins all other remaining games... who are the two that are in?


https://big12sports.com/news/2008/7/31/1546006.aspx

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Re: Texas vs TCU
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2019, 03:24:46 PM »
No worries.  Officials will keep that from happening.
They might try, but we have to remember they're still B12 officials so they could easily screw up the screwing over, so to speak.

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Re: Texas vs TCU
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2019, 03:26:07 PM »
So what is the current B12 tie-breaker in the case of a 3-way tie?  Say Texas wins out including a win over Baylor, and Baylor beats OU but loses no other games besides Texas, and OU loses to Baylor but wins all other remaining games... who are the two that are in?
Tiebreaker Procedure. If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed.  If more than two teams tie for first place, the tiebreaker procedures below will be applied separately, to identify each participant in the championship game.

In the event two (or more teams) tie for second or any subsequent position, the tiebreaker procedures below will be used to break all ties as necessary.  For the avoidance of doubt, only Conference records will be used throughout the process:
a.    If two teams are tied, the winner of the regular-season game between the two tied teams shall prevail.
b.    If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 4 will be followed until a determination is made.  If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the regular season game between the two tied teams shall prevail.
    1.    The Conference records of the three or more teams will be compared against each other in a “mini round-robin” format.
    2.    The Conference records of the three or more teams will be compared against the remaining team(s) in the Conference standings from top to bottom.
            a. When comparing against the remaining teams in the Conference standings any two-way ties will be broken by head-to-head competition before the comparison begins.
            b. If more than a two-way tie exists amongst the remaining teams in the Conference standings, the record against the collective tied teams as a group will be used.
    3.    Scoring differential among the tied teams. The team or teams with the lowest difference between points scored and points allowed in games vs. the tied teams is eliminated from consideration.
    4.    Draw (In the event steps 1-3 cannot break a multi-team tie the prevailing team or teams will be determined by draw at the Conference office).

In the event tiebreaking procedures are unsuccessful and a draw is necessary in determining any portion of seeding, the following procedures will be used:
            a. The draw will be conducted in public or with media attendance.
            b. Institutions involved in the drawing have the right to have a local representative in attendance at the drawing.
            c. A single slip of paper for each institution (with name or logo) will be placed in a container and will be drawn in order of seeding from highest to lowest.

In the event that scheduled regular season contests cannot be played as originally scheduled, every effort shall be made to reschedule such a contest at the earliest possible date, provided that such rescheduling does not interfere with classes, examination periods, NCAA rules, or other sports prohibitions. If contests cannot be rescheduled and in the event of a first-place tie, the Conference tiebreaker system will be utilized to determine championship game participants or a Conference Champion.
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Re: Texas vs TCU
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2019, 03:33:30 PM »
https://big12sports.com/news/2008/7/31/1546006.aspx

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I'm not sure what these lines mean, but I think in the case of our 3-way tie for first above, all 3 still remain tied, so it goes to point differential in games played between the tied teams? 
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b.    If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 4 will be followed until a determination is made.  If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the regular season game between the two tied teams shall prevail.
     1.    The Conference records of the three or more teams will be compared against each other in a “mini round-robin” format.
     2.    The Conference records of the three or more teams will be compared against the remaining team(s) in the Conference
            standings from top to bottom.
            a. When comparing against the remaining teams in the Conference standings any two-way ties will be broken by head-to-head
            competition before the comparison begins.
            b. If more than a two-way tie exists amongst the remaining teams in the Conference standings, the record against the collective
                tied teams as a group will be used.
     3.    Scoring differential among the tied teams. The team or teams with the lowest difference between points scored and points
             allowed in games vs. the tied teams is eliminated from consideration.


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Re: Texas vs TCU
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2019, 03:56:29 PM »
That'd be really lame.  It's the football equivalent of penalizing small-ball teams.

I'd rather consider sos, ooc record, almost anything, before looking at score differentials.  

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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2019, 04:15:44 PM »
That'd be really lame.  It's the football equivalent of penalizing small-ball teams.

I'd rather consider sos, ooc record, almost anything, before looking at score differentials. 
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Re: Texas vs TCU
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2019, 05:05:34 PM »
In case of a three way tie, you first compare the relative records of the three teams to each other. That won't help in our circular scenario of OU beating Texas beating Baylor beating OU. The records against each other are 1-1. No determination can be made.

According to the procedures, you'd then go to the 4th place team. Say it's oSu. Baylor and Texas have already beaten oSu. I suppose we're discussing the scenario where the 3 top teams all only have 1 conference loss, so obviously OU will have beaten them as well. With only 1 conference loss apiece, and in common, no further determinations could be made until point differentials.

However, if there's two conference losses apiece, then there's a possibility (actually likely) that two teams will have beaten a given team in the rankings and one will have lost. That places that losing team in 3rd, and allows head to head to determine the order against the other two. Notice that this procedure preferentially rewards a team for having a "better" win even though those teams must necessarily have a "worse" loss.


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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2019, 11:37:16 PM »
In case of a three way tie, you first compare the relative records of the three teams to each other. That won't help in our circular scenario of OU beating Texas beating Baylor beating OU. The records against each other are 1-1. No determination can be made.

According to the procedures, you'd then go to the 4th place team. Say it's oSu. Baylor and Texas have already beaten oSu. I suppose we're discussing the scenario where the 3 top teams all only have 1 conference loss, so obviously OU will have beaten them as well. With only 1 conference loss apiece, and in common, no further determinations could be made until point differentials.

However, if there's two conference losses apiece, then there's a possibility (actually likely) that two teams will have beaten a given team in the rankings and one will have lost. That places that losing team in 3rd, and allows head to head to determine the order against the other two. Notice that this procedure preferentially rewards a team for having a "better" win even though those teams must necessarily have a "worse" loss.



Thanks, that's what I came up with as well.  In the 1-1-1 tied for first place scenario, those other tie-breakers all end up being equivalent and therefore "don't cares" from a logic perspective.

Point differentials it is.  I guess we better beat Baylor by 50, then.  Let it be so.

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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2019, 08:50:16 AM »
actually assuming OU remains unbeaten all we have to do is just win out baby

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Re: Texas vs TCU
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2019, 08:55:33 AM »
Oh I don't actually think Baylor is going to beat OU.

I also don't think Texas is going to win out.

But I suppose there's a reason they play the games...

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Re: Texas vs TCU
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2019, 09:22:09 AM »
Of course, I want the Texas defense to improve. However, I'd smile warmly if we followed OU's same path as last season. Lose the RRS (because that's already happened), fight uphill the entire season, win the rematch, and...

be told we're still not good enough to enter the CFP because, well, we lost to LSU.


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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2019, 10:07:05 AM »
Oh I don't actually think Baylor is going to beat OU.

I also don't think Texas is going to win out.

But I suppose there's a reason they play the games...
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