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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #70 on: September 28, 2021, 09:22:49 AM »
We can kinda Occam's Razor the whole TCU thing. The fact is, we've had two head coaches whose entire offensive plan consisted of running between the tackles as hard as possible. That works against teams without Texas' talent, or when everything goes like it's supposed to. TCU may not be world beaters, but they know how to play coherent defense. Certainly, if you're telling them what you're going to do (and it helps when that thing is power up the middle), they're going to stymie it.

They win against Texas because Texas played such predictable offense that it's like watching the game on replay. A journeyman defensive coordinator could shut it down. Patterson certainly exceeds journeyman.

There's no voodoo or mental gymnastics. It's rote offense versus disciplined defense. I fully expect that to change Saturday.

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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #71 on: September 28, 2021, 09:29:20 AM »
We can kinda Occam's Razor the whole TCU thing. The fact is, we've had two head coaches whose entire offensive plan consisted of running between the tackles as hard as possible. That works against teams without Texas' talent, or when everything goes like it's supposed to. TCU may not be world beaters, but they know how to play coherent defense. Certainly, if you're telling them what you're going to do (and it helps when that thing is power up the middle), they're going to stymie it.

They win against Texas because Texas played such predictable offense that it's like watching the game on replay. A journeyman defensive coordinator could shut it down. Patterson certainly exceeds journeyman.

There's no voodoo or mental gymnastics. It's rote offense versus disciplined defense. I fully expect that to change Saturday.
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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #72 on: September 28, 2021, 09:37:34 AM »
The last year  Texas would run 2 up the middle and then a sideline pass

we will need to pass the ball and it will need to be north and south

might be nice to see a pass on 1st or 2nd down as well

if we can complete the 15 yards down field pass we can open up the run game
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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #73 on: September 28, 2021, 11:38:12 AM »
The thing about our offense is that the QB almost always has multiple options of attack when he comes to the LOS. Depending on what the defense sets, he can run inside, outside, or pass. The pass routes will have levels designed to pull the defense around the field.

For instance, against a given front, there might be six defenders  "in the box" (close to the LOS). The QB might then call the boundary side TE to motion across the LOS. Depending on how the defense moves, this will tip off man or zone coverage. At this point, unless the defense failed to adapt to the TE motion (meaning you're now GROSSLY outnumbering the defenders on the field side edge, in which case outside zone run will score), then you're going to throw. If someone ran with the TE, then it's man based coverage. The receivers will run man-beater routes (including one deep to pull at the field safety). Look to see who drew single or beat their man. Typically, the deep guy will draw safety help. Did the LB stick with the TE? Then there's likely a middle of the field pattern open. Elsewise, Bijan Robinson leaked out the back on a wheel.

The thing is, the QB can make all these choices depending on what he sees on every play. Without heaping undue criticism, Hudson Card shirked most of these choices during the Arky game and repeatedly chose the option that didn't require anything of him. To his credit, he didn't risk turnovers, but the game was going so fast for him that he couldn't put his teammates in positions to succeed. Most athletes, making their first road start in front of the Arkansas fan base, would react similarly. It's a tall ask. I'm sure he'll learn, and the next time will be different.

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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #74 on: September 28, 2021, 11:43:38 AM »
all I can say is that its my impression that our QB rarely checks off and calls a different play if the def warrants it

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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2021, 03:51:16 PM »
so GD GD is gone?
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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2021, 04:03:28 PM »
Pretty sure the ghost of GDGD will haunt the Texas sidelines forever...

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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #77 on: September 28, 2021, 04:33:07 PM »
At some point last game, Thompson checked one of his receivers pre-snap and had him realign his feet to the outside of the hash. This was a distance of about 18 inches. The guy focuses on the details and remembers them all.


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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #78 on: September 28, 2021, 04:36:11 PM »
Pretty sure the ghost of GDGD will haunt the Texas sidelines forever...
apparently the Iowa sidelines as well.  At least until Ferentz is gone.
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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #79 on: September 28, 2021, 04:56:09 PM »
At some point last game, Thompson checked one of his receivers pre-snap and had him realign his feet to the outside of the hash. This was a distance of about 18 inches. The guy focuses on the details and remembers them all.


not trying to argue but was this a play change or just putting the receiver in the correct place the original play called for

Thompson reacts much better then Card does to the defense
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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #80 on: September 28, 2021, 05:11:13 PM »
not trying to argue but was this a play change or just putting the receiver in the correct place the original play called for

Thompson reacts much better then Card does to the defense
It almost certainly wasn't a play change. I just noticed that Thompson knew the exact alignment, and didn't want "good enough". During the Rice game, he was apparently telling our RBs where their holes would be during the huddle. He studies film obsessively. While some kids can do that and never really know what it means, Thompson uses it to predict where the defenses will be weak.

Modern play calling in the RPO world is weird. Usually, straight up "audibles" aren't called in the traditional sense unless the QB sees something that's just absolutely not going to work. Almost every play call will have both a run or pass procedure built into it. At the snap, the OL will set and carry their guys for a couple of counts. Its up to the QB to make his decision during that time. If the ball isn't thrown by then, the OL will assume there's a running play behind them and begin driving down the field. If the QB was, in fact, late with his read, you get the dreaded "ineligible lineman downfield" penalty.

Instead of running predefined patterns, our receivers are supposed to understand their role in the play. One receiver might be taking the top off. He's running deep in an attempt to influence any safeties. Maybe pull them out of the middle. If they don't go for it, then he knows he'd the deep target and should expect the ball to arrive at whatever shoulder his DB defender didn't cover. Another receiver might be running a hook. He's either occupying a nickel or moving a LB away from edge contain. The TE might be dragging a shallow cross. These routes prevent Safeties or LBs from overcommitting to run support.

No matter if they're lining up in "X" or "Slot" or "H" position, they have a role. It can be executed from any starting position. When Bijan Robinson catches the swing pass all by himself for a training jog into the endzone, it's because all the above concepts worked.

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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #81 on: September 28, 2021, 05:16:32 PM »
and I don't want to beat up Hudson Card. He knows all of this stuff as well. He has the skill to execute it. His lack of experience caused him to feel the pressure exerted by the crowd in one of the most hostile places a Texas Longhorn can be. When that happened, his nerve failed him and he started playing overly cautious which prevented all of the above from functioning.

There's only one way to get experience. I can't make a senior out of a freshman. You just have to live through it.

Sometimes, playing harder can lead to more mistakes. Texas fans have complained about fitness or strength or what-have-you, but in reality we've got highly trained highly skilled players. When they play loose and with confidence, good things happen. When they over-analyze and start trying to do each other's job, chaos ensues.

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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #82 on: September 28, 2021, 05:17:19 PM »
I think Major Applewhite was the best field general Ive seen for the Horns.

He more then made up for average speed and passing ability by reading defenses and exploiting their weaknesses
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Re: Texas Football 2021
« Reply #83 on: September 28, 2021, 05:41:25 PM »
I think Major Applewhite was the best field general Ive seen for the Horns.

He more then made up for average speed and passing ability by reading defenses and exploiting their weaknesses


Agree! Major knew what the defense was doing, and put the team in the best position to beat it. There were plenty of times where either he or the team lacked the physical gifts to win the play, but it wasn't a mental error.

Used to be, you had to train up a QB out of high school to learn these concepts. There was scarcely time in four college seasons (when you had to study in the fall and spring, then go home in the summer) to learn them. Nowadays, your Lake Travis QBs etc have all been going to QB camps since they were in 7th grade. They practice these concepts in high school and arrive at college ready to go. They have spring ball to get familiar with the coaches and summer conditioning to get the timing with their teammates.

Of course, with so much invested, the kid (and his family) gets rankled if they're told to wait a while for their chance. There's a school out there that needs a starting QB right now.

 

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