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Title: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on March 12, 2021, 03:22:23 PM
Will there be Spring practice and a Spring game this year for the Horns
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on March 13, 2021, 10:57:02 AM
Yup.  Spring practice starts on 3/23 and the spring game will be on 4/25 or 4/26.

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2021/2/4/22265991/texas-longhorns-spring-practice-dates-orange-white-game-steve-sarkisian

Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on July 14, 2021, 01:31:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YuCHumS.jpg)
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2021, 01:34:40 PM
your airstream???
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on July 14, 2021, 02:01:24 PM
your airstream???
Nope, that one is probably 40 years younger than mine.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: CWSooner on July 25, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
For a split-second, I thought that looked like Mike Gundy on the bike.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Thumper on July 25, 2021, 04:06:47 PM
That is a nice Thunderbird Sport.  
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 06, 2021, 10:34:40 AM
I considered that win over Louisiana to be an excellent season-opener, in that it wasn't a complete embarrassment like two years in a row against Maryland.  Still lots to work on, this season will be a work in progress, but there's some talent on the field.

Now it's on to Arkansas, in a game that was supposed to be played over a decade ago, but for various reasons the pigs had to push out a couple of times.

I didn't see their game against Rice so really can't comment on what I expect from them.  From the Horns, I expect a solidly coached effort with few mistakes.  Several times last season, such an outing would have been enough to turn a loss into a win.

Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 06, 2021, 10:55:38 AM
as I mentioned in another post we passed only one third of the time

was that cause the coaches thought that is the permanent direction of our offense or because Louisiana was defending the pass more then the run

the last few years our run vs pass was about 50/50

I guess another way of saying this is I dont think we showed what a decent passing attack we have under Card

as always it will depend on just how Arkansas defends us

if I were them Id do everything I could to shut down our running attack  and make us beat them in the air
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 19, 2021, 08:53:33 AM
Well that was a better outing.  

Not much to take away from pounding a helpless, hapless, overmatched opponent, but at least the team was doing what it's supposed to do.

I can only imagine what this stable of running backs could do, if they had even an average o-line.  Ah well, gotta work with what we've got.

Next two weeks against Tech and TCU will tell us a lot more about where we stand, heading into OU game in 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Thumper on September 19, 2021, 10:49:34 AM
Congrats to the Horns.  I do think they look better with Thompson than Card.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 19, 2021, 11:00:44 AM
Probably so but it's tough to say.  He looked good in garbage time at the end of a blowout loss to Arkansas last week, and he looked good against a bad team yesterday.

The next two weeks will tell us more.  Tech's not great but they're better than Rice, and TCU always plays well against Texas. 
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 19, 2021, 11:20:47 AM
Thompson looked much better then Card we still run the ball 2 out of every 3 plays

Granted if youre playing a team thats weak against the run then you have to take advantage of it but thats not always the case

In short we are going to need a good passing game to succeed and right now it looks like our coach just doesnt like to pass the ball

if we try this stuff against TCU they will eat our lunch

Historically we have always been able to run the ball against Tech so I look for more of the same next week
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 19, 2021, 01:59:33 PM
Couldn't watch 'cuz the LHN doesn't actually exist.  
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 19, 2021, 02:43:55 PM
Couldn't watch 'cuz the LHN doesn't actually exist for Longhorn wanna bes
FIFY
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 19, 2021, 03:39:57 PM
Couldn't watch 'cuz the LHN doesn't actually exist. 
I have no problem getting LHN here.  Nor the SECN.

BTN and PAc networks definitely don't exist though.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 19, 2021, 05:01:03 PM
I have no problem getting LHN here.  Nor the SECN.

BTN and PAc networks definitely don't exist though.

I have dish and I get everybody
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 19, 2021, 07:46:50 PM
I think B1G and PAC are available, if you pay extra.  Why would I pay extra?
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 19, 2021, 08:15:04 PM
I think B1G and PAC are available, if you pay extra.  Why would I pay extra?
I wouldnt and dont
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Thumper on September 19, 2021, 10:36:56 PM
I'm using Vidgo this year.  It includes the LHN, ACCN, SECN, B1G, & PAC12 networks.  I actually watched a game on the LHN.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Mr Tulip on September 20, 2021, 10:09:15 AM
Got the 1 month promo from Sling. I essentially paid $21 to watch the Rice/Texas game. The wife will probably watch a couple of Showtime series before mid-October if I remind her. In the PPV era, I paid more to watch worse football.

Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 20, 2021, 10:29:20 AM
Got the 1 month promo from Sling. I essentially paid $21 to watch the Rice/Texas game. The wife will probably watch a couple of Showtime series before mid-October if I remind her. In the PPV era, I paid more to watch worse football.


True enough.  And also, you'd have paid a lot more than that if you attended the game in person, so you're way ahead of the game.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Gigem on September 25, 2021, 03:33:50 PM
Wow Helluva goodbye gift to TTech. 
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 25, 2021, 03:38:33 PM
Really wishing now that Sark had been smart enough to start Thompson against the piglets.  

What might have been.

Ah well, that was a heck of a showing against the tortilla tossers. 
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 25, 2021, 05:23:27 PM
That score offends me, but I suspect Horns don't mind it. 
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 25, 2021, 08:20:55 PM
I'm coming up blank on why the score would offend you?

Aside from the Texas defense giving up way too many long-bomb TD passes, I'm okay with the score...
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 25, 2021, 08:26:29 PM
That score offends me, but I suspect Horns don't mind it.
when the other guy keeps coming at you its not the time to call off the dogs

we sure better tighten up our pass def or this season will be very disappointing
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 26, 2021, 09:54:22 AM
Oh was it the 70 points that bothers MDT?   


Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: FearlessF on September 26, 2021, 10:02:24 AM
12evling

don't worry, won't happen in the SEC
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 26, 2021, 10:16:05 AM
12evling

don't worry, won't happen in the SEC
the last time you scored 70 points was on a spelling test
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 26, 2021, 10:18:12 AM
12evling

don't worry, won't happen in the SEC
No such thing as 12ing.  Are you talking about Alabamming?  Where even the loser scores more than 40 points?

Alabama 63 Ole Miss 48

Auburn 48 Alabama 45

LSU 46 Alabama 41


Just a few greatest hits from the past couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 26, 2021, 10:20:26 AM
Anyway, since Tech only scored 35, yesterday's game was not a case of Alabamming.

And when Texas was up 42-14, if they had shut down the offense while Tech kept going bombs-away to get to 35, they would have looked pretty irresponsible for hanging on for dear life for a 42-35 win.  Or even worse, losing the game.

Horns pulled the starting QB and most of the 1st string skill positions with 2 mins left in the 3rd.  Not sure what else a coach is supposed to do.

Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Thumper on September 26, 2021, 02:26:54 PM
Congrats to the Horns.  I am not offended by the score.  I would have appreciate it if you loaned the Sooners a TD or two.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 26, 2021, 02:46:52 PM
I don't mind a team scoring a lot of points, particularly if the offense is just that good.  Or if the offense is just functional and the opposing defense is that bad, so be it.  But it's not my kind of game.  I don't much care for bad tackling and busted assignments.  I like defense and in games where it's not present, I don't care for them as much. 

i.e., give me LSU/OU 2003 over LSU/OU 2019 any day.  When that LSU team fired on all cylinders and hit 40's on Clemson, Bama, UGA....they earned it.  When they steamrolled Vandy and OU et al into the 60's and had to effectively quit in the 4th quarters....those are ridiculous scores and however good LSU was, it's just bad defense and not as fun for me.  The 2003 versions of the Tigers and Sooners routinely dropped 50 on teams, but held each other to 2 TDs a piece.  I prefer that, that's all. 

I don't begrudge anybody who enjoys a different style.  Just voicing mine. 

2005 Texas for example....when they put 41 on USC, good for them.  SC played excellent defense that game and the Longhorns earned all that 41 because that's how good the offense was.  When they scored a bazillion on Colorado in the B12CG....it's just not my thing.  



Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 26, 2021, 03:47:45 PM
nobody said it was anyones thing

you go where the game takes you

we pulled our starters late in the 3rd qtr

at least TT didnt start flopping on us

thats not my thing
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 26, 2021, 05:37:36 PM
geez....sensative. 
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 26, 2021, 06:09:41 PM

at least TT didnt start flopping on us

lol.....still trying to sell that, huh?  
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: CWSooner on September 26, 2021, 06:44:48 PM
I don't mind a team scoring a lot of points, particularly if the offense is just that good.  Or if the offense is just functional and the opposing defense is that bad, so be it.  But it's not my kind of game.  I don't much care for bad tackling and busted assignments.  I like defense and in games where it's not present, I don't care for them as much. 

i.e., give me LSU/OU 2003 over LSU/OU 2019 any day.  When that LSU team fired on all cylinders and hit 40's on Clemson, Bama, UGA....they earned it.  When they steamrolled Vandy and OU et al into the 60's and had to effectively quit in the 4th quarters....those are ridiculous scores and however good LSU was, it's just bad defense and not as fun for me.  The 2003 versions of the Tigers and Sooners routinely dropped 50 on teams, but held each other to 2 TDs a piece.  I prefer that, that's all. 

I don't begrudge anybody who enjoys a different style.  Just voicing mine. 

2005 Texas for example....when they put 41 on USC, good for them.  SC played excellent defense that game and the Longhorns earned all that 41 because that's how good the offense was.  When they scored a bazillion on Colorado in the B12CG....it's just not my thing.
I didn't watch much CFB yesterday.  I've got a lot of teacher-stuff I needed to do, and I've still been working all day on it today.  Anyway, I saw a Texas drive that sounds like what you are talking about re no defense.  What looked to me like a 10-yard hook (Texas moving right to left, pass to the near side of the field) went for about 25 after the first defender dove for the WR's feet and missed, the second defender tried to hit with his shoulder rather than tackle, and he missed, and then the third defender grabbed and held on while the WR got another 5 yards.
That's not taking anything away from UT.  You have to be clicking to score 70 on anybody.  But TTech looked like defensive fundamentals are not their bag.
I suspect that most OU fans would prefer a repeat of the 2003 (season) BCS champ game over the 2019 (season) CFP beat-down.  ;)

P.S. On keeping starters in, it appears that UT took their starters out significantly earlier yesterday than OU did in laying a 77-0 licking on Texas A&M back in 2003.  IIRC, Bob Stoops had starters still playing in that one early in the 4th quarter.  His rationale was that starters have earned the playing time.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: FearlessF on September 26, 2021, 08:48:37 PM
geez....sensative. 
it's coming to the SEC
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 26, 2021, 09:10:10 PM
it's coming to the SEC
now get off my damn lawn
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 26, 2021, 11:04:09 PM
One of the things I really miss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J36TeHZk8nw
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 12:43:29 AM
lol.....still trying to sell that, huh? 

geez... sensative.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 12:45:32 AM
it's coming to the SEC
lulz... it's obviously already there, in spades.

As is Alabamming.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 12:48:47 AM

P.S. On keeping starters in, it appears that UT took their starters out significantly earlier yesterday than OU did in laying a 77-0 licking on Texas A&M back in 2003.  IIRC, Bob Stoops had starters still playing in that one early in the 4th quarter.  His rationale was that starters have earned the playing time.

This was the Texas' offense second game with the current starters.  If Sarkisian had pulled the starters any earlier I'd have been livid. 
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Gigem on September 27, 2021, 07:37:51 AM
How far has Tech fallen since the Leach days?  I still don’t really know why they fired him. It’s like they thought they needed a reason so they found some minor incident and trumped it up. Then they refused to pay him. Maybe he put a curse on them?  

I don’t even know who their coach is these days.  
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 08:45:49 AM
I don't really know why they did it.  My Tech friends were not happy with it at the time, and they're even less happy about it now.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Mr Tulip on September 27, 2021, 09:09:38 AM
I think Texas may have done Tech a favor. They were likely playing the wrong QB this entire time. In Turn, Tech did Texas a favor. Our players aren't used to being up big in games, and Sark likely has a speech to give about losing focus. No time like the present.

Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 27, 2021, 10:36:23 AM
The last I looked UT was a 1 point underdog to TCU

This after TCU gets beaten by SMU and UT rolls over TCU

What does Vegas know

OK today UT is favored by 4.5

That sounds a little more realistic
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 10:39:20 AM
The last I looked UT was a 1 point underdog to TCU

This after TCU gets beaten by SMU and UT rolls over TCU

What does Vegas know

That Texas is 2-7 against TCU since they joined the B12 and Patterson owns us.

It's up to the Longhorns to disprove that notion.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Mr Tulip on September 27, 2021, 12:14:54 PM
Betting lines are obviously an attempt to pull reasonably equal money to both sides, in general. A close line can mean they skill levels of the two teams are well known and fairly equal. It can also mean there's huge uncertainty for one or both teams and the betting public thinks they've got an inside idea.

Right now, I believe that there's a reason wealthy donors spent 8 figures to dismiss the previous staff. I believe that Flood and Sark learned that they could insist on the offense they want, or win games with the offense they have. They've chosen to optimize the latter. I believe that the Texas defense is understanding how their positions work. They also have to stop three legit drives before the opponent is in desperation mode to keep up with the scoring.

However...

Two games isn't proof, especially considering the teams in question. TCU is a huge bugaboo. Saturday is another opportunity to exorcise a demon from the Longhorn temple, but until proven otherwise, they're still a roadblock.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 27, 2021, 12:43:20 PM
same old story they will put 8 in the box to shut down our ground game

if we cant pass the ball to make them be more honest then they win

Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Mr Tulip on September 27, 2021, 01:03:20 PM
same old story they will put 8 in the box to shut down our ground game

if we cant pass the ball to make them be more honest then they win



This worked when Texas had to bash its way through the defense to advance the ball. If a defense wants to put its defenders between the tackles, they better hope that they have someone as fast as Xavier Worthy. He likes catching passes with no one near him.

Our OL is still a work in progress. Flood is teaching them, and they get better each week. However, the Texas offense is currently simply running by the defense. Outside zone, get the edge, and turn it upfield. Casey Thompson knows what he's looking for, so he keeps taking the 6 yard runs until the defense steps up to help. Our receivers are winning their 1 on 1's.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 27, 2021, 01:41:35 PM
How far has Tech fallen since the Leach days?  I still don’t really know why they fired him. It’s like they thought they needed a reason so they found some minor incident and trumped it up. Then they refused to pay him. Maybe he put a curse on them? 

I don’t even know who their coach is these days. 

Some story about Leach locking CJK5H's kid in the closet, or something like that.  It always sounded like BS to me.  
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 27, 2021, 01:43:16 PM
geez... sensative.

Kinda, yeah, in that case.

I don't like booing in general.  I shook my head at the OU fans Saturday booing Rattler and chanting for his backup.  I especially don't like it when people boo hurt kids.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 01:58:04 PM
Meh, we all know that isn't what they were booing.

Don't be so sensative.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Mr Tulip on September 27, 2021, 02:31:23 PM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/76379604/i-was-saying-boo-urns.jpg)
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 02:36:07 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/uox7Amg.png)
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Thumper on September 27, 2021, 03:16:29 PM
Kinda, yeah, in that case.

I don't like booing in general.  I shook my head at the OU fans Saturday booing Rattler and chanting for his backup.  I especially don't like it when people boo hurt kids.
Yeah, it is stupid.  Everyone wants their team to play better.  Booing isn't helpful. 
Rattler had a rough 1st half but he got 0 help.  The OL was pathetic in the first half.  Evidently Bedenbaugh decided no center was playing well so might as well start the RFr and get him experience.  
2nd half they played a little better and Rattler got much better, no booing him then.  
With no time to pass and no running game (57 yds on 28 carries), it doesn't matter who the QB is.  That said, Caleb Williams is a legit running threat.  I don't know why Riley doesn't have some RPO packages for him to at least make defenses think a little.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 03:59:30 PM
Fellas, the Sooner Football 2021 thread is over there ------------------------->



:)
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 04:36:39 PM
Just read this on surlyhorns:

TCU's head coach Gary Patterson is 2-8 in the game prior to Texas, 7-2 against Texas, 3-6 in game afterward.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 27, 2021, 05:36:27 PM
so they save their can of spinach for us

isnt that special
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 27, 2021, 05:47:41 PM
Meh, we all know that isn't what they were booing.

Well, was it because they were already fed up with Herman, or because some LSU kid set the passing record in DKR?  

There's really not any other options.  
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 05:50:35 PM
Well, was it because they were already fed up with Herman, or because some LSU kid set the passing record in DKR? 

There's really not any other options. 
Lulz.  You can think it was whatever you like.  We all know what was really happening.  Even your head coach realized the fake injuries were so blatant and egregious that he felt the need to make up several bullshit lies about various things including no A/C in the locker room, which was quickly and easily refuted with the actual physical plant data released by the university-- the kind of stuff you absolutely can't lie about, because you represent the state and could go to jail for it.

Now I'll go ahead and drop it and you feel free to have the final word.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 05:57:22 PM
so they save their can of spinach for us

isnt that special
Yeah, apparently they like to eat their Wheaties, but only before playing us.

Sure hope we have some payback ready for them on Saturday.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 27, 2021, 06:22:19 PM
Lulz.  You can think it was whatever you like.  We all know what was really happening.  Even your head coach realized the fake injuries were so blatant and egregious that he felt the need to make up several bullshit lies about various things including no A/C in the locker room, which was quickly and easily refuted with the actual physical plant data released by the university-- the kind of stuff you absolutely can't lie about, because you represent the state and could go to jail for it.

Now I'll go ahead and drop it and you feel free to have the final word.

Sorry Marcus, you can try to tie whatever dumb stuff Orgeron says to whatever you like, but the facts of the situation don't support your assertion, if you're not too bullheaded to see it.   

On the other hand, the facts in evidence for the field injuries heavily favor the sincerity of the situation.  I think--I don't know--if you ever bothered to rewatch the game you'd see it.  My best friend in Austin--you met him once when I brought him to your tailgate--a UT grad and die-hard as they come, was pretty sore about it after the fact.  Then he called me after a rewatch and said he realized they almost certainly weren't faking cramps.  The down and distance make no sense in some cases, and the players who left the field on and missed games attest to the fact they weren't flopping.  Also the guys who it happened to.  If you'd been familiar with the roster, these aren't the people you take out of games.  I think anyone who is actually open to the evidence and not committed to their preferred narrative no matter what the facts are would agree.  I'll go over them and we'll see which category you fall into.

Feel free to rewatch the game to check the facts.  Feel free to watch the rest of the games that season to verify the follow-ups.  They're all free on YouTube.  Here's all 7 "flops" that got boo'd by Horn fans, starting with the first man down.

Texas drive:


Next drive:

Next drive:  UT drives field for TD, no LSU injuries

Next drive:  UT drives field for TD, no LSU injuries

Next drive: 


Next drive:  UT final TD, no LSU injuries.

Most of these guys didn't make it back until the Florida game mid-season, in some cases because they weren't cleared, in a couple cases to try to give them more time.  Divinity returned for the UF game and reinjured the same arm and was lost yet again for a couple games.  In all cases they were starters.  They were obviously missed as the LSU defense became the subject of criticism.  There's better people to flop if they were going to.

I think if I were a Texas fan in the emotion of the moment I might suspect the same thing.  Excitement runs high and things are often not how we remember them in the moment.  I also think, like my friend and many other Longhorns I know, I would've changed my mind. 

Anyway, any neutral observer will see it, and the DKR crowd was wrong to boo hurt players.  


Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 06:24:32 PM
Feel better now?

Heaven save us from sensative Tiger fans...

Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 06:34:54 PM
TX-OU kickoff officially announced for 11 AM on ABC on 10/9.

That'll be the third 11 AM kickoff in a row for Texas, so at least the timing/schedule should be reasonably familiar to the coaches and team.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 27, 2021, 06:37:59 PM
Feel better now?

Heaven save us from sensative Tiger fans...

I mean, you're the one cussing.

And refusing to acknowledge the facts.  

You either read all that or you didn't.  You're smart enough to come to the same conclusion everybody else has if you read it.  

I don't necessarily feel better, but I am mildly committed to stopping ridiculous falsehoods that persist in spite of facts.  

Have you ever shied away from calling Orgeron's story BS?  And using whatever evidence is available to refute it?

No?

Because it's clearly BS.

Just like LSU players "flopping," and if you want to call it sensative to stick up for kids playing their hearts out, getting injured doing it, and then getting boo'd by 100k people who don't know what they're looking at.....I'm okay with that.  
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: CWSooner on September 27, 2021, 07:08:42 PM
Kinda, yeah, in that case.

I don't like booing in general.  I shook my head at the OU fans Saturday booing Rattler and chanting for his backup.  I especially don't like it when people boo hurt kids.
It was the student section.  Not that that excuses it, but kids' manners these days are certainly not getting better and better.
Florida's QB got booed in the Alabama game, or so I hear.  Before the big comeback, I guess.
FTR, I don't like booing either.
But I think we'll see more of it coming down the pike because of, among other things, like the general deterioration of our civic culture, NIL.  It's hard to think of the stars of P5 programs as anything resembling amateurs.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 27, 2021, 10:25:46 PM
MDT I said I'd drop it.  If you'd like to discuss the proper temperature to smoke a brisket, I'm all in.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Mr Tulip on September 28, 2021, 09:22:49 AM
We can kinda Occam's Razor the whole TCU thing. The fact is, we've had two head coaches whose entire offensive plan consisted of running between the tackles as hard as possible. That works against teams without Texas' talent, or when everything goes like it's supposed to. TCU may not be world beaters, but they know how to play coherent defense. Certainly, if you're telling them what you're going to do (and it helps when that thing is power up the middle), they're going to stymie it.

They win against Texas because Texas played such predictable offense that it's like watching the game on replay. A journeyman defensive coordinator could shut it down. Patterson certainly exceeds journeyman.

There's no voodoo or mental gymnastics. It's rote offense versus disciplined defense. I fully expect that to change Saturday.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 28, 2021, 09:29:20 AM
We can kinda Occam's Razor the whole TCU thing. The fact is, we've had two head coaches whose entire offensive plan consisted of running between the tackles as hard as possible. That works against teams without Texas' talent, or when everything goes like it's supposed to. TCU may not be world beaters, but they know how to play coherent defense. Certainly, if you're telling them what you're going to do (and it helps when that thing is power up the middle), they're going to stymie it.

They win against Texas because Texas played such predictable offense that it's like watching the game on replay. A journeyman defensive coordinator could shut it down. Patterson certainly exceeds journeyman.

There's no voodoo or mental gymnastics. It's rote offense versus disciplined defense. I fully expect that to change Saturday.
Amen, brutha!
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 28, 2021, 09:37:34 AM
The last year  Texas would run 2 up the middle and then a sideline pass

we will need to pass the ball and it will need to be north and south

might be nice to see a pass on 1st or 2nd down as well

if we can complete the 15 yards down field pass we can open up the run game
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Mr Tulip on September 28, 2021, 11:38:12 AM
The thing about our offense is that the QB almost always has multiple options of attack when he comes to the LOS. Depending on what the defense sets, he can run inside, outside, or pass. The pass routes will have levels designed to pull the defense around the field.

For instance, against a given front, there might be six defenders  "in the box" (close to the LOS). The QB might then call the boundary side TE to motion across the LOS. Depending on how the defense moves, this will tip off man or zone coverage. At this point, unless the defense failed to adapt to the TE motion (meaning you're now GROSSLY outnumbering the defenders on the field side edge, in which case outside zone run will score), then you're going to throw. If someone ran with the TE, then it's man based coverage. The receivers will run man-beater routes (including one deep to pull at the field safety). Look to see who drew single or beat their man. Typically, the deep guy will draw safety help. Did the LB stick with the TE? Then there's likely a middle of the field pattern open. Elsewise, Bijan Robinson leaked out the back on a wheel.

The thing is, the QB can make all these choices depending on what he sees on every play. Without heaping undue criticism, Hudson Card shirked most of these choices during the Arky game and repeatedly chose the option that didn't require anything of him. To his credit, he didn't risk turnovers, but the game was going so fast for him that he couldn't put his teammates in positions to succeed. Most athletes, making their first road start in front of the Arkansas fan base, would react similarly. It's a tall ask. I'm sure he'll learn, and the next time will be different.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 28, 2021, 11:43:38 AM
all I can say is that its my impression that our QB rarely checks off and calls a different play if the def warrants it

Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: FearlessF on September 28, 2021, 03:51:16 PM
so GD GD is gone?
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 28, 2021, 04:03:28 PM
Pretty sure the ghost of GDGD will haunt the Texas sidelines forever...
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Mr Tulip on September 28, 2021, 04:33:07 PM
At some point last game, Thompson checked one of his receivers pre-snap and had him realign his feet to the outside of the hash. This was a distance of about 18 inches. The guy focuses on the details and remembers them all.

Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: FearlessF on September 28, 2021, 04:36:11 PM
Pretty sure the ghost of GDGD will haunt the Texas sidelines forever...
apparently the Iowa sidelines as well.  At least until Ferentz is gone.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 28, 2021, 04:56:09 PM
At some point last game, Thompson checked one of his receivers pre-snap and had him realign his feet to the outside of the hash. This was a distance of about 18 inches. The guy focuses on the details and remembers them all.


not trying to argue but was this a play change or just putting the receiver in the correct place the original play called for

Thompson reacts much better then Card does to the defense
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Mr Tulip on September 28, 2021, 05:11:13 PM
not trying to argue but was this a play change or just putting the receiver in the correct place the original play called for

Thompson reacts much better then Card does to the defense
It almost certainly wasn't a play change. I just noticed that Thompson knew the exact alignment, and didn't want "good enough". During the Rice game, he was apparently telling our RBs where their holes would be during the huddle. He studies film obsessively. While some kids can do that and never really know what it means, Thompson uses it to predict where the defenses will be weak.

Modern play calling in the RPO world is weird. Usually, straight up "audibles" aren't called in the traditional sense unless the QB sees something that's just absolutely not going to work. Almost every play call will have both a run or pass procedure built into it. At the snap, the OL will set and carry their guys for a couple of counts. Its up to the QB to make his decision during that time. If the ball isn't thrown by then, the OL will assume there's a running play behind them and begin driving down the field. If the QB was, in fact, late with his read, you get the dreaded "ineligible lineman downfield" penalty.

Instead of running predefined patterns, our receivers are supposed to understand their role in the play. One receiver might be taking the top off. He's running deep in an attempt to influence any safeties. Maybe pull them out of the middle. If they don't go for it, then he knows he'd the deep target and should expect the ball to arrive at whatever shoulder his DB defender didn't cover. Another receiver might be running a hook. He's either occupying a nickel or moving a LB away from edge contain. The TE might be dragging a shallow cross. These routes prevent Safeties or LBs from overcommitting to run support.

No matter if they're lining up in "X" or "Slot" or "H" position, they have a role. It can be executed from any starting position. When Bijan Robinson catches the swing pass all by himself for a training jog into the endzone, it's because all the above concepts worked.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Mr Tulip on September 28, 2021, 05:16:32 PM
and I don't want to beat up Hudson Card. He knows all of this stuff as well. He has the skill to execute it. His lack of experience caused him to feel the pressure exerted by the crowd in one of the most hostile places a Texas Longhorn can be. When that happened, his nerve failed him and he started playing overly cautious which prevented all of the above from functioning.

There's only one way to get experience. I can't make a senior out of a freshman. You just have to live through it.

Sometimes, playing harder can lead to more mistakes. Texas fans have complained about fitness or strength or what-have-you, but in reality we've got highly trained highly skilled players. When they play loose and with confidence, good things happen. When they over-analyze and start trying to do each other's job, chaos ensues.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: longhorn320 on September 28, 2021, 05:17:19 PM
I think Major Applewhite was the best field general Ive seen for the Horns.

He more then made up for average speed and passing ability by reading defenses and exploiting their weaknesses
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Mr Tulip on September 28, 2021, 05:41:25 PM
I think Major Applewhite was the best field general Ive seen for the Horns.

He more then made up for average speed and passing ability by reading defenses and exploiting their weaknesses


Agree! Major knew what the defense was doing, and put the team in the best position to beat it. There were plenty of times where either he or the team lacked the physical gifts to win the play, but it wasn't a mental error.

Used to be, you had to train up a QB out of high school to learn these concepts. There was scarcely time in four college seasons (when you had to study in the fall and spring, then go home in the summer) to learn them. Nowadays, your Lake Travis QBs etc have all been going to QB camps since they were in 7th grade. They practice these concepts in high school and arrive at college ready to go. They have spring ball to get familiar with the coaches and summer conditioning to get the timing with their teammates.

Of course, with so much invested, the kid (and his family) gets rankled if they're told to wait a while for their chance. There's a school out there that needs a starting QB right now.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on September 28, 2021, 06:01:59 PM

Of course, with so much invested, the kid (and his family) gets rankled if they're told to wait a while for their chance. There's a school out there that needs a starting QB right now.
And, there's a Transfer Portal to get him there.
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: utee94 on October 02, 2021, 03:34:50 PM
Really great to see Texas finally win against an incredibly fired-up TCU team.

All you have to do is watch TCU's effort against SMU last week, and against Texas this week, to understand that teams DO play differently against different opponents.  TCU didn't play anything like they did today, against SMU last week.

Anyway...

Hook 'em Horns!
Title: Re: Texas Football 2021
Post by: Mr Tulip on October 04, 2021, 09:51:17 AM
I believe Patterson tries to stay relevant at TCU by beating Texas to the point that he holds his game planning back from other teams to the point where he loses them. He wants to save those looks for Texas.

This was a good effort by a Texas team where things didn't all go right. They had to hang in there and grind out the win.

Remember, these kids are still unlearning the mojo of previous seasons. Keeping it mentally together on the road against an inspired team with the outcome in doubt is a big deal.