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Topic: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU

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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2021, 11:32:35 AM »
Looking back at conference title rematch history | NCAA.com

This is a bit dated, 2017.  And UGA that year beat Auburn in a rematch where Auburn won the first game (and UGA really played poorly).

Twenty of 33 conference championship game rematches have resulted in the team that won in the regular season winning again for the league title.

Only one of the teams that has been on the losing end of both games was ranked in the top four entering the conference title game. In a wild 2007 season, Missouri was ranked 11th in the AP poll when it lost at Oklahoma, 41-31, on Oct. 13. By Dec. 1, the Tigers had climbed to No. 1 in the BCS and played No. 9 Oklahoma, which resulted in an even more convincing Sooners victory, 38-17, that took Missouri out of the national title chase.

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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2021, 11:33:28 AM »
This makes sense to me, because often one team is really better than the other, and the rest of the time they are close to 50-50 games.  If a third of the time one team is better and wins 90% and the rest if 50-50 you get this result.
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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2021, 11:41:35 AM »
This goes back to 1942 and says about half.

College football rematches: Original winner wins barely half the time (oklahoman.com)

The B12 experience is perhaps more interesting.
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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2021, 11:49:31 AM »
I hate CCGs and rematches, but in a conference with divisions, I understand their presence.

In a conference that does a full roundrobin, it's ridiculous and stupid.
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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2021, 12:37:40 PM »
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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2021, 01:49:40 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 06, 2021, 12:37:40 PM
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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2021, 01:55:28 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on October 05, 2021, 11:56:41 PM
the winner gets who ever is 2nd


who says the Cyclones won't be #1 with victories over both?
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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2021, 02:18:18 PM »
I see ISU gets Texas and OKSt at home and OU on the road.  They have one narrow conference loss already.  Can they run that table?  Probably not.

I still like Texas over OU, barely.
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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2021, 04:12:07 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 06, 2021, 01:55:28 PM
who says the Cyclones won't be #1 with victories over both?
Certainly could be.

Regardless of the outcomes of ANY of those games, there will inevitably be a rematch of two teams that have already played one another, in the CCG.  
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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2021, 06:07:56 AM »
They should do something about that.  Heh.

I have not looked at Iowa State this year, how good do you think they are?  Competitive with OkST and OU?  I know they had a lofty preseason.
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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2021, 08:21:07 AM »
I don't think they're showing out quite as well as was expected pre-season.

OU is probably around the same as last year, which is better than ISU.  Anything can happen and an upset could happen there, but it would definitely be an upset.

And I'd like to think that Texas has improved since last year.  We already had plenty of talent, we just had crap coaching.  IF that has improved, then the Horns should also be better than ISU.

The Cyclones might have missed their window.
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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2021, 08:28:59 AM »
I take it they are around the level of OkST, and below UT/OU at least in talent, and yes, upsets can happen.  I watched them a bit in 2019 and they impressed me as being disciplined and well coached.
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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2021, 09:05:03 AM »
it will all play out obviously, but Iowa state has a recent history of upsetting one of Texas or Oklahoma

Iowa state has a loss to what appears is a solid Iowa team and a loss in Waco on a failed two point conversion to a decent Baylor team
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Re: Red River Shootout 2021 aka TX-OU
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2021, 09:16:20 AM »
ISu had four TOs to none against Iowa and lost 27-17.  If you think TOs are often flukes, they might be as good as Iowa.
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